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| 14:46 | rgs | and for once, I haven't forgot about a meeting |
| 14:46 | is fired up and ready to go for the devel meeting | |
| 14:47 | so, to warm up the room | |
| 14:47 | walterbender: you'll be blogging a bit about the niceties of Cairo ? | |
| 14:48 | hopefully, by the end of this week we'll know how easy it is to gtk2 -> gtk3 once you've got your Cairo right, right? | |
| 14:48 | walterbender | rgs: yes... on my to do... learned a lot from benzea |
| 14:48 | rgs: I think from the abacus experience, it is pretty straightforwrd | |
| 14:48 | but I want to understand better cscott's approach | |
| 14:49 | could be a win or box us into a corner | |
| 14:49 | rgs | walterbender: hrm, maybe we are in front of an opportunity to (finally) refactor your sprites lib and share it among your libs |
| 14:49 | (though, you are already dropping it in each activity, right? This would be more packaging refactoring maybe?) | |
| 14:50 | walterbender | rgs: there is one optimization I'd like to make... cannot quite figure out how to save a surface to reuse later |
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| 14:50 | rgs | there he is! The major of Nicaragua (in Four Square)! |
| 14:50 | walterbender: marcopg's department | |
| 14:51 | walterbender: or maybe #gnome-hackers or #gtk ? | |
| 14:51 | (in irc.gimp.net) | |
| 14:51 | walterbender | rgs: yeah... gotta seek out help |
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| 14:52 | rgs | walterbender: I bet someone has banged his head against that wall, so we might as well ask the old cairo-ers |
| 14:52 | but nice progress :) | |
| 14:52 | walterbender | rgs: yes... but I like banging my head a bit first... |
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| 14:52 | rgs | yes, absolutely, it's always nice to have a taste of the wall :) |
| 14:53 | walterbender | rgs: I am really pleased with the overall cairo port... big improvement |
| 14:53 | rgs | walterbender: back in the day, what was your motivation for this? |
| 14:53 | turtle sees color? | |
| 14:53 | can't recall | |
| 14:53 | (motivation to cairo-ize the world, that is) | |
| 14:53 | (before gtk3 was in the horizon) | |
| 14:54 | walterbender | anti-aliasing |
| 14:54 | and being able to rotate images and text | |
| 14:55 | I fixed turtle sees color a different way | |
| 14:55 | rgs | do we have blocked for image rotation? Or how is that use? |
| 14:55 | walterbender: kids would be able to create gifs with TA!!! | |
| 14:55 | walterbender | rgs: I fixed that one... |
| 14:55 | marcopg | walterbender: it should work to just keep the surface around? |
| 14:56 | rgs | while True: rotate("I am walter") |
| 14:56 | walterbender | rgs: I should add support for animated gifs... |
| 14:56 | marcopg | lunch and work meeting, will be back after |
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| 14:56 | walterbender | marcopg: I create a surface from a pixbuf and then try to save the surface using get_target() |
| 14:56 | marcopg: but when I reapply the surface later, it is blank | |
| 14:57 | rgs | walterbender: and if you keep in an instance var somewhere? |
| 14:57 | (not sure that would avoid it from going wrong, probably not) | |
| 14:58 | though get_target() sounds super non-destructive, so that is probably not what is turning it white | |
| 14:58 | erikos | hey rgs and walterbender! |
| 14:58 | rgs | erikos: hey Simon! |
| 14:58 | erikos | and marcopg is around as well ;p |
| 14:59 | seen manuq as well | |
| 14:59 | gonzalo_: here, too? | |
| 14:59 | walterbender | rgs: http://git.sugarlabs.org/turtl[…]prites.py#line323 - 345 |
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| 14:59 | gonzalo_ | hello erikos |
| 14:59 | erikos | great |
| 14:59 | dsd_: are you with us today? | |
| 14:59 | walterbender | rgs: I've tried creating a similar surface and writing to it as well... |
| 14:59 | dsd_ | yes |
| 14:59 | erikos | garycmartin: lurcking or participating? ;p |
| 15:00 | dsd_ | germanrs is here too, the head techie in nicaragua |
| 15:00 | erikos | dsd_: nice |
| 15:00 | garycmartin | is here |
| 15:00 | rgs | bernie: would be cool if we could wire up our irc bot with git, to make it easy to reference source code (i.e.: codebot: show TurtleArt:sprites.py#303 ---> link) |
| 15:00 | dsd_ | who may help with gtk3 activity porting in the near future |
| 15:00 | erikos | welcome germanrs! |
| 15:00 | dsd_ | (currently on the phone though) |
| 15:00 | erikos | who else is here for the meeting? (which starts *now*) |
| 15:01 | germanrs | hello erikos |
| 15:01 | erikos | is happy so many people joining in today |
| 15:01 | walterbender | waves |
| 15:02 | erikos | start the bot |
| 15:02 | #startmeeting | |
| 15:02 | meeting | Meeting started Tue Nov 8 15:02:29 2011 UTC. The chair is erikos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 15:02 | erikos | so, let's first have a look at the action items from last week |
| 15:03 | silbe | waves |
| 15:03 | erikos | (we should assign people next time to them) |
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| 15:03 | erikos | silbe: hey, great you can make it too |
| 15:03 | and benzea! | |
| 15:03 | is amazed | |
| 15:03 | benzea | erikos: nah, just happened to be upstairs, haven't even started any measurements ... |
| 15:03 | but I may be able to listen in a bit | |
| 15:04 | erikos | gonzalo_: did you find the time to look at how many activities use the gdk.drawable? |
| 15:04 | (item was: - check which activities uses a drawable which has to be replaced by cairo calls) | |
| 15:04 | benzea: nice | |
| 15:04 | garycmartin | erikos, I think that was me for gdk.drawable |
| 15:05 | erikos | garycmartin: aha, and...? ;p |
| 15:05 | gonzalo_ | erikos, i have looked at other libraries used http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Acti[…]ies/PortingToGtk3 |
| 15:06 | garycmartin | erikos: I haven't found a great solution yet, and there seems to be plenty of side cases that need scanning for (GdkDrawable, GdkPixmap, GdkImage are all gone, but some others are still supported like GdkPixbuf) |
| 15:06 | erikos | gonzalo_: nice, work - this is great! |
| 15:06 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, yes, i found the same problem |
| 15:07 | garycmartin | erikos: I have a library of 90 recent bundle activities, I see about 20 of them that a likely fails. |
| 15:07 | erikos | garycmartin: gonzalo_: ok, let's maybe start with one activity and document the side cases |
| 15:07 | garycmartin | erikos: That includes things like Paint :( and all of the TamTam suite. |
| 15:07 | walterbender | erikos: I am working on that for TA an Abacus |
| 15:08 | erikos | walterbender: yes, which brings us to the next topic |
| 15:08 | walterbender | erikos: I plan to write up my experiences (everything benzea taught me) |
| 15:08 | garycmartin | erikos: Obviously TA and Abacus, TypingTurtle, VisualMatch, FractionBounce, Moon, Measure... |
| 15:09 | gonzalo_ | erikos, i am thinking if is a good idea port all the activities now.... |
| 15:09 | walterbender | gonzalo_: +1 |
| 15:09 | erikos | walterbender: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]ures/GTK3/Porting can you add that in a section at this page? |
| 15:09 | garycmartin | Portfiolo, sliderule. |
| 15:09 | walterbender | erikos: yes... I plan to do that... |
| 15:09 | erikos: I just merged all my cairo patches to TA | |
| 15:09 | erikos | walterbender: wonderful, can be rough to start with, we can clean up later |
| 15:10 | cjl | reads backscroll |
| 15:10 | walterbender | erikos: assign the #action to me |
| 15:10 | erikos | walterbender: ok |
| 15:10 | gonzalo_: what exact issue do you see | |
| 15:10 | walterbender | gonzalo_: I suggest we get everything working with Cairo and then as a second step, go to gtk3 |
| 15:10 | erikos | gonzalo_: and do you have some suggestion, how to handle it |
| 15:10 | marcopg | walterbender: the icon stuff in sugar-toolkit is caching a cairo surface I think. I forget the details of get_target etc. |
| 15:11 | gonzalo_ | erikos, i am worried about the developers overhead of maintain two version gtk2 and 3 for a long time |
| 15:11 | walterbender | marcopg: OK. I'll look there... I am confident we don't rerender it from svg each time :) |
| 15:11 | gonzalo_ | or having most of our users without having changes in activities for a long time too .... |
| 15:11 | marcopg | yup :) |
| 15:12 | walterbender | It would be good if someone who knows more than I looked at cscott's dual mode glue |
| 15:12 | erikos | gonzalo_: maintain, would mean, that you plan to keep on doing big changes in the gtk-2 version, do you? |
| 15:12 | gonzalo_ | erikos, big or small, usefull for end users |
| 15:12 | dsd_ | i had a look at scott's glue. it is workable but will be a little painful going forward, and is a long way from becoming a drop-in solution |
| 15:12 | it will not help with anything like the GdkDrawable stuff | |
| 15:13 | erikos | gonzalo_: I thought, we 'agreed', that this is not something we recommend |
| 15:13 | walterbender | dsd_: the drawable stuff can be done independently of the gtk3 migration |
| 15:13 | erikos | gonzalo_: personally, I would only do new gtk2 versions if I find a 'does not start anymore' error |
| 15:13 | walterbender | #link http://git.sugarlabs.org/~csco[…]util/gtkcompat.py |
| 15:13 | erikos | otherwise, indeed it gets a burden |
| 15:14 | gonzalo_ | erikos, then, this will mean, most of the users will not see changes for one or two years |
| 15:14 | walterbender | erikos: but the migration to Cairo has to happen anyway and getting it working in gtk2 is an easy way to make sure it works properly |
| 15:15 | erikos | gonzalo_: sure, but if you keep on backporting all the stuff, why would a user switch? ;p |
| 15:15 | walterbender: i think that is independent | |
| 15:15 | garycmartin | gonzalo_: I think we can move to ciaro as a first step, that one seems like an easy call to make (and will keep us occupied for a while). |
| 15:15 | gonzalo_ | erikos, sorry if this is a already taken decision, but i think we need discuss it |
| 15:15 | garycmartin, yes, i agree | |
| 15:15 | and remove hippo | |
| 15:16 | i think walterbender think the same | |
| 15:16 | walterbender | yes. |
| 15:16 | so the issue is do we try to do something along the lines of cscott or d we fork? | |
| 15:16 | erikos | I think it is good to move first to cairo and remove hippo as well |
| 15:16 | silbe | +1 on doing all the backwards-compatible changes first. |
| 15:16 | erikos | we did similar for the toolkit |
| 15:16 | benzea | yeah, the icon code caches cairo surfaces |
| 15:16 | garycmartin | erikos: My plan is then that I may well do some gtk3 tinkering/experimentation. But until there is an official release that has gtk3 & gtk2 support I'll likely not considering making any gtk3 only releases. |
| 15:16 | erikos | and will do for the shell |
| 15:17 | garycmartin: that is fine | |
| 15:17 | garycmartin: my point is that, once you forked, I would not recommend having maintaining two versions | |
| 15:18 | gonzalo_ | erikos, then we should port the activities we _need_ to port, Read and Browse related activities |
| 15:18 | erikos | gonzalo_: right, that we do already, no? |
| 15:18 | gonzalo_ | erikos, yes |
| 15:18 | garycmartin | erikos: "once you forked, I would not recommend having maintaining two versions" +1! |
| 15:18 | dsd_ | i agree that maintaining 2 versions of each activity should be a documented option, but not a recommendation |
| 15:18 | erikos | gonzalo_: the 'core' people I think should focus now on them |
| 15:19 | dsd_ | also i think scott's solution is fine to offer as an option |
| 15:19 | with appropriate "this compat layer might not work especially if you dont dive in to extend it" disclaimers | |
| 15:19 | gonzalo_ | dsd_, do you think scott's solution should be in sugar-toolkit or any common place? |
| 15:20 | erikos | dsd_: hmm, not sure, we should promote that |
| 15:20 | dsd_ | gonzalo_: i think that would be a bit strong of a recommendation - but having a central git repo for it might make sense |
| 15:20 | walterbender | I think we need to exercise it a bit more |
| 15:21 | gonzalo_ | yeah, i only don't want 10 differnt versions copied in the activities |
| 15:21 | erikos | hoped we finally got rid of glue code |
| 15:21 | walterbender | gonzalo_: I think the only ones hacking on gtk3 conversion right now are in this meeting |
| 15:21 | rgs | gonzalo_: true, but if you drop it someway common too fast it becomes API and you have to maintain it |
| 15:21 | erikos | rgs: right, and I do not want to |
| 15:22 | gonzalo_ | rgs, yes |
| 15:22 | dsd_ | gonzalo_: i think thats the most sensible option - anything else would add to 'central' sugar maintenance tasks |
| 15:22 | it is also something temporary | |
| 15:22 | erikos | but why do we really need it in the first place? |
| 15:22 | rgs | run everywhere activities? |
| 15:22 | erikos | are we so scared of jumping over? |
| 15:23 | walterbender | erikos: In some respects, we need it less for existing activities than for new ones |
| 15:23 | silbe | it's not even useful to put it into Glucose - you need it on old systems as well, as that's the only reason to continue supporting GTK2. |
| 15:23 | dsd_ | the nice thing about scott's glue code is that it provides a simple way for activities to run with PyGI/GTK3 code on the GTK2 platform, for activities that only use a small subset of GTK API (like TurtleArt) |
| 15:23 | walterbender | I am happy to basically freeze my current activities, but if I write something new, I want the current gtk-2 users to have access to it. |
| 15:23 | dsd_ | and it seems there *is* interest from some people in having activities work on both old and new platforms for a while |
| 15:23 | gonzalo_ | erikos, the problem is not jump, the problem is not real user will have it for almost one year |
| 15:24 | cjl | wonders about all the channels that Activities go to (distro pkgs, XOs, SOAS, etc.) |
| 15:24 | erikos | gonzalo_: but which features do you put in activities now? |
| 15:25 | gonzalo_ | erikos, you can't imagine :) |
| 15:25 | erikos, i hope we continue fixing bugs and adding features :) | |
| 15:25 | erikos | no, really - any big feature you are working on for the next cycle? |
| 15:25 | gonzalo_ | erikos, nothing big this cycle |
| 15:26 | erikos | activity wise, that people can not work a bit for |
| 15:26 | right... | |
| 15:26 | I just don't want to spend too much time on solutions for issues that maybe are not real | |
| 15:27 | gonzalo_ | erikos, i was talking about the opportunity of porting all the activitiees now |
| 15:27 | silbe | erikos: the main problem is that you can't count on most deployments to upgrade to new releases right away. Upgrades are done in school-yearly cycles, which means we'll have a transition period of about two or three years (depending on exactly when you start counting and interactions between different schedules). |
| 15:28 | erikos | silbe: but this is always given, not just now |
| 15:28 | and I am sure the 'features' that went into 0.94/11.3.0 are seen in a seployment in 1 or 2 years too | |
| 15:28 | gonzalo_ | erikos, but this change is backwards incompatible |
| 15:30 | garycmartin | erikos: Back to the earlier ciaro question, here's the list of likely candidates I have Abacus, Browse, CardSort, Erikos, FlipSticks, FoodForce2, FoodForceII, FractionBounce, JigsawPuzzle, Labyrinth, Map, Measure, Moon, Paint, Paths, PlayGo, Portfolio, Record, Scribble, Sliderule, TamTamEdit, TamTamJam, TamTamMini, TamTamSynthLab, TurtleArt, TurtleArtMini, TypingTurtle, ViewSlides, VisualMatch. TamTam seems to have the most code hits. |
| 15:30 | gonzalo_ | a lot of work :) |
| 15:30 | walterbender | garycmartin, gonzalo_: not so much work... |
| 15:31 | erikos | come on' we have still time for features ;p |
| 15:31 | gonzalo_ | erikos, great! |
| 15:31 | walterbender | erikos: I have a number of Journal features to propose for this cycle |
| 15:31 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, +10 |
| 15:31 | garycmartin | erikos: FWIW I skipped the majority of the GCompris activities, so there may be a heap of things needed changed there. |
| 15:31 | walterbender | none of them will be impacted by the gtk2/3 issues |
| 15:32 | well, not significantly | |
| 15:32 | erikos | ok, can we finish the gtk2/3 discussion first? as we have people interested in that specific area here |
| 15:32 | walterbender | garycmartin: gcompris could be a headache |
| 15:32 | garycmartin | walterbender: yea, the few I did download to check did have hits. |
| 15:32 | walterbender | thought erikos was changing the topic to features ^^ |
| 15:33 | cjl | alsroot is repackaging gcopmpris, has been in touch with Bruno |
| 15:33 | erikos | ok, so from my point of view the outcome of the activity discussion is: |
| 15:33 | cjl | Not sure where the porting work needs to be done, preferrrably upstream |
| 15:33 | erikos | - first port the ones we must (browse, Read) |
| 15:33 | - adopt other activities to cairo | |
| 15:33 | - remove hippo | |
| 15:34 | - then if time, port to gtk3 | |
| 15:34 | gonzalo_ | ok |
| 15:34 | erikos | is that right? |
| 15:34 | walterbender | it is still open whether or not the port to gtk3 tries to keep gtk2 compatibility |
| 15:34 | erikos | that way activities stay backwards compatible as long as possible |
| 15:34 | garycmartin | erikos: "- then if time, port to gtk3" --> "- then when time, port to gtk3" ;-) |
| 15:34 | silbe | garycmartin: +1 |
| 15:34 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, +1 |
| 15:35 | may be next cycle | |
| 15:35 | erikos | great |
| 15:35 | next item: | |
| 15:36 | - - check if ASLO supports well having different activity versions, dotted versions and major versions | |
| 15:36 | did someone check that? | |
| 15:36 | walterbender | doesn't know |
| 15:36 | gonzalo_ | no |
| 15:36 | garycmartin | is not sure either |
| 15:36 | manuq | either :( |
| 15:36 | erikos | ok, so item for next week, any takers? |
| 15:37 | manuq | who maintain ASLO? may we email them? |
| 15:37 | walterbender | alsroot: ^^ |
| 15:37 | silbe | manuq: alsroot does, but AFAIK he's rather busy these days |
| 15:38 | manuq | ok, I can test ASLO with a mock activity, I think |
| 15:38 | erikos | manuq: ok, great |
| 15:38 | next one: | |
| 15:38 | * status of the GTK3 port | |
| 15:39 | benzea | oh, not done yet :-) |
| 15:39 | erikos | manuq: gonzalo_: how is the situation in Read and Browse? |
| 15:39 | rgs | benzea: :) |
| 15:39 | erikos | benzea: aha, not sleepong ;p |
| 15:40 | gonzalo_: from your mail, does look quite well for Read, yes? | |
| 15:40 | manuq | erikos: Browse: |
| 15:40 | bernie | rgs: i think the cia bot could do that |
| 15:40 | gonzalo_ | erikos, yes, Read is working |
| 15:40 | cjl | dsd_: What were the two very similar wiki.sl.o pages on GTK3 that need to be merged? |
| 15:40 | gonzalo_ | erikos, but i am using a patched evince |
| 15:41 | erikos | gonzalo_: and the patch is upstreamed already? |
| 15:41 | gonzalo_ | erikos, is in review |
| 15:41 | manuq | about Browse: |
| 15:41 | - restore page navigation functionality in buttons (go back, go forward, stop, reload, go home) | |
| 15:41 | - restore tabs functionality, (add, remove, show page title in tabs) | |
| 15:41 | - restore session store functionality, make stop activity work | |
| 15:41 | - restore keys shortcuts functionality | |
| 15:41 | - currently restoring starred pages/favourites functionality | |
| 15:41 | erikos | gonzalo_: great! so all looks good that it will be in the next version! |
| 15:42 | garycmartin | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]ures/GTK3/Porting |
| 15:42 | erikos | manuq: which is about taking screenshots (which we need in the toolkit as well) |
| 15:42 | gonzalo_ | erikos, yes |
| 15:42 | garycmartin | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]3/ActivityPorting |
| 15:42 | erikos | gonzalo_: great job! |
| 15:42 | garycmartin | thinks it was anyway |
| 15:42 | manuq | erikos: the latter |
| 15:42 | erikos | garycmartin: I did port it already, just have to kill one |
| 15:42 | manuq: yes | |
| 15:42 | manuq: and we have a path forward for that using cairo | |
| 15:43 | manuq | erikos: yes |
| 15:43 | erikos | manuq: did you hit already any issues in the webkit api already? |
| 15:43 | manuq | erikos: just need to see the differencies of my code and the one from the guys at #gtk+ |
| 15:43 | erikos | yes |
| 15:44 | manuq | erikos: not for the moment |
| 15:44 | erikos: in fact, I'm taking notes for possible features that webkit allows | |
| 15:44 | erikos | manuq: ok, (if not done so yet) maybe worth checking if all the API you need is there |
| 15:44 | manuq: great! | |
| 15:45 | ok, so looks like browse is in good hands, too | |
| 15:45 | toolkit: | |
| 15:46 | - I have been looking at the widgets and wrote tests for them (not done yet) | |
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| 15:46 | erikos | - and have now been looking at palettes, to understand the changes from marcopg and benzea |
| 15:47 | manuq | erikos: good |
| 15:47 | marcopg | erikos you have no chances to understand them, we don't either :P |
| 15:47 | erikos | hehe ;p |
| 15:48 | marcopg | benzea plan to get it first working without leave events sounded good to me |
| 15:48 | erikos | marcopg: yes |
| 15:48 | marcopg: the code in git curently has the issue that the invoker does not know about the parent | |
| 15:48 | marcopg | if you have questions about the stuff we did you can ping me |
| 15:49 | erikos | that is what I am trying to find out now |
| 15:49 | marcopg: great | |
| 15:49 | yeah, lets just keep on that way, best | |
| 15:49 | another big area is the theme | |
| 15:50 | manuq: did read a bit about it | |
| 15:50 | manuq | erikos: just got in touch, yes |
| 15:50 | marcopg | we should have people that are not working on palettes pile on that one :) |
| 15:50 | erikos | and I will too so that we can start working on it (maybe with a bit of sideguide from benzea) |
| 15:50 | manuq | erikos, benzea, good |
| 15:51 | erikos | marcopg: yeah, manuq is getting up to speed on it |
| 15:51 | if anyone else has spare cycles, he is more than welcome | |
| 15:52 | garycmartin | would need to go read up on it, it's ccs3 based now right? |
| 15:52 | erikos | I think that is it pretty much on that end |
| 15:52 | manuq | garycmartin: yes, it? css based |
| 15:52 | benzea | yeah, if there are questions about the theme, just ping me |
| 15:53 | manuq | benzea: ok, thanks! |
| 15:53 | erikos | garycmartin: http://developer.gnome.org/gtk[…]g-GtkStyleContext |
| 15:53 | walterbender | if there are any nasty css questions, I have a friend who is an expert |
| 15:53 | benzea | it is css like, but there are some things that are a bit different, I think |
| 15:53 | marcopg | having the design team write the theme would be perfect :) |
| 15:53 | erikos | :) |
| 15:53 | manuq | erikos: benzea, I wonder if we have to touch the theme engine |
| 15:53 | gonzalo_ | erikos, what is the state of hippo removal on sugar? |
| 15:53 | benzea | manuq: I think we will in some cases (eg. checkbox) |
| 15:53 | manuq: but not for much, and not for now | |
| 15:54 | for now we do not need a theme engine at all | |
| 15:54 | garycmartin | silly question, are you guys all testing this stuff using Fedora with a jhbuild environment? |
| 15:54 | manuq | benzea: ok, good |
| 15:54 | benzea | is on debian unstable |
| 15:54 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, yes |
| 15:54 | erikos | gonzalo_: we have removed the stuff in the toolkit |
| 15:54 | garycmartin: yes, Fedora 16 | |
| 15:54 | (which is golden by now btw) | |
| 15:54 | gonzalo_ | erikos, and in sugar module? |
| 15:54 | marcopg | golden, wow |
| 15:55 | I just installed f15 sigh | |
| 15:55 | erikos | gonzalo_: no, because those are quite interlinked |
| 15:55 | marcopg: hmm :) | |
| 15:56 | manuq | is on F16 also |
| 15:56 | erikos | any other quick question for the gtk2/gtk3 area? |
| 15:57 | ok | |
| 15:57 | so 0.96 cycle quickly | |
| 15:57 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.96/Roadmap | |
| 15:57 | manuq | not from me, just a reminder that we should add our discoveries in the wiki |
| 15:57 | (that's a reminder for myself) | |
| 15:58 | erikos | manuq: yes, good point, please do |
| 15:58 | we have a planned development release tomorrow | |
| 15:58 | we have a few floating patches for the shell | |
| 15:58 | we could probably land already | |
| 15:58 | has to get around this | |
| 15:59 | dsd_: what is the status of the NM patch? | |
| 15:59 | dsd_: do you have time to work on it for tomorrow? or unlikely | |
| 15:59 | silbe | erikos: yeah, reviewing the sugar-install-bundle patches would be appreciated |
| 16:00 | erikos | dsd_: no rush, just wondering |
| 16:00 | silbe: ahh, yeah | |
| 16:00 | cjl | Query: Is there any Honey acticvty that has grown in importance sufficiently to merit nomination for Fructose in the next cycle? |
| 16:00 | erikos | silbe: are you around today? |
| 16:00 | silbe: tomorrow and thursday you aren't right? | |
| 16:00 | silbe | erikos: exactly |
| 16:01 | garycmartin | cjl: I guess that's an Activity Team question. |
| 16:01 | silbe | I'm available on Mon+Tue, unavailable on Wed+Thu and sporadically online / working on Sugar on Fri-Sun. |
| 16:01 | cjl | garycmartin: fair enough |
| 16:02 | erikos | silbe: what are your plans around gtk2/gtk3 btw? |
| 16:03 | silbe | erikos: none so far (except for reviewing as time permits); I'm already booked out with other stuff like WebDAV support for the Journal (hi-prio item for OLPC-AU). |
| 16:03 | cjl | garycmartin: It just came to mind in looking at the listings on the Roadmap wiki link. |
| 16:04 | gonzalo_ | erikos, then are you the only one working on sugar? |
| 16:05 | erikos | gonzalo_: can you put that on the sugarlabs wiki and link from the gtk3/Development page? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Acti[…]ies/PortingToGtk3 |
| 16:05 | garycmartin | cjl: Putting the AT hat on for a moment, Fructose inclusion rules are currently more about the maintainer willingness and ability to reliable stick to the release cycle; but what seems to happen is that OLPC end up shipping something and AT just end up supporting it as best they can as the original maintainers often seem to fade away. |
| 16:05 | erikos | gonzalo_: pretty much, yes |
| 16:06 | silbe: ok, yeah, would be good to sort out the review of the accumulating toolkit-branch | |
| 16:06 | cjl | garycmartin: perhaps an item for the AT agenda at some point, but you're right. not here (as the hour winds down). |
| 16:07 | erikos | gonzalo_: happy about help of course ;p |
| 16:07 | silbe | erikos: remember to start posting patches as soon as you think they're ready, so we have plenty of time for review |
| 16:07 | garycmartin | cjl: it's on the AT agenda and gonzalo_ and I are both here as well ;) |
| 16:08 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, yes :) |
| 16:08 | erikos | silbe: I wonder, if I should send patches for each commit now |
| 16:08 | silbe: will be a lot, and not mine all | |
| 16:08 | garycmartin | erikos: do we have a list somewhere of proposed new Sugar features? |
| 16:09 | silbe | erikos: depends on how polished they are |
| 16:09 | erikos | silbe: 90% is polished as two devs were already looking at them |
| 16:09 | grabs | |
| 16:09 | cjl | garycmartin: I trust gonzalo_ to keep in mind any need for Pootle project shuffling. :-) if it comes to it. |
| 16:09 | silbe | erikos: I don't care about how posts the patches, as long as someone addresses review concerns (either by discussing them on-list or posting an updated patch). |
| 16:11 | erikos: sounds good. What exactly do these patches do? I.e. in what state is sugar / sugar-toolkit afterwards? | |
| 16:11 | marcopg | how are we handling conflicts with the gtk3 branches? is master frozen until those land or? |
| 16:11 | erikos | marcopg: yes, I thin ksugar-toolkit master should be frozen until |
| 16:12 | marcopg: and the shell can have changes | |
| 16:12 | marcopg | erikos no one ported the shell yet? |
| 16:12 | erikos | marcopg: no, we did not yet |
| 16:12 | toolkits first! | |
| 16:12 | marcopg | ok, make sense to me then |
| 16:12 | erikos | yes |
| 16:13 | silbe: ok, maybe we continue on #sugar after the meeting | |
| 16:13 | has to close it now | |
| 16:13 | silbe | marcopg: AIUI we'd review and merge the patches on an individual basis, potentially reworked. Conflicts get resolved as usual. |
| 16:13 | marcopg | silbe that's going to be a mess imo |
| 16:14 | erikos | ok, I have to leave now for 20 mins |
| 16:14 | marcopg | anyway, I'll let you and erikos sort that out, you don't seem to quite agree :) |
| 16:14 | silbe | we should probably discuss it on-list then |
| 16:14 | erikos | thanks everyone for attending! |
| 16:14 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:14 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue Nov 8 16:14:39 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:14 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-08T15:02:29.html | |
| 16:14 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-11-08T15:02:29 | |
| 16:14 | garycmartin | erikos: thanks! |
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| 16:15 | rgs | erikos: thanks! |
| 16:29 | dsd_ | erikos: i wont have time to work on it tomorrow,and i'm not sure when i will |
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