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| 13:45 | walterbender | gonzalo: how soon is the design meeting? I have about an hour between flights :) |
| 13:46 | gonzalo | walterbender: should be at 15UTC, but may be we can do it before |
| 13:46 | garycmartin: is here and manuq too | |
| 13:47 | walterbender | checks to see exactly how much time he has... |
| 13:48 | I have about 90 minutes... | |
| 13:49 | garycmartin | walterbender: Hi, did you want to chair the meeting? |
| 13:49 | walterbender | I could, but if I need to leave early... it would better for someone else to do it |
| 13:50 | garycmartin | walterbender: OK I can run it to save a panic at the last moment. |
| 13:50 | Sascha usually joins us, but I can't see him logged in anywhere just now. | |
| 13:51 | manuq: gonzalo: you two ok with a meeting now with walterbender ? | |
| 13:51 | walterbender | we should wait on him... but maybe we can just talk now... |
| 13:52 | gonzalo | garycmartin: i am ready, and manuq will be back in a few minutes |
| 13:53 | walterbender: would be good if we can start to talk about the Journal proposal, ClaudiaU wanted to talk about this with the people from #olpc-aprendizaje | |
| 13:55 | walterbender | gonzalo: did you look at my mock up? |
| 13:55 | gonzalo | walterbender: yes |
| 13:55 | walterbender | gonzalo: I could post a patch as well... |
| 13:55 | pretty simple change to the journal... more a design issue | |
| 13:55 | garycmartin: have you followed this thread at all? | |
| 13:56 | gonzalo | walterbender: yeah, but may be we should think about all the changes we want to do |
| 13:56 | walterbender | gonzalo: of course... but most of them are orthogonal... |
| 13:56 | gonzalo: unless we are proposing an entire overhaul :P | |
| 13:56 | garycmartin | walterbender: yea have been following it. |
| 13:57 | walterbender | gonzalo: we may want to think about it in light of the gtk3 work this weekend... but I think that the teachers would like something to experiment with sooner than later |
| 13:57 | garycmartin | walterbender: what was the key need for visually exposing the extra metadata in the UI? |
| 13:58 | walterbender | dsd, rgs, erikos, et al. did a lot of great work this weekend in Prague |
| 13:58 | garycmartin | walterbender: Some of us have been considering an Achievement type activity for some time. |
| 13:59 | walterbender | garycmartin: to answer questions about what the kids are doing, e.g., how many times did they go into their document to revise it... what tools and design elements did they use in creating their project... |
| 13:59 | garycmartin | walterbender: Such an activity could leverage the extra hidden metadata to provide summary for the learners (in a fun visual way), teachers, and upstream developers |
| 13:59 | walterbender | but also, my proposed solution is a general way for activities to publish activity-specific info to the detail view |
| 14:00 | garycmartin | (has just emails pinged sascha) |
| 14:01 | walterbender | garycmartin: I don't have any strong use cases other than the evaluation ones... |
| 14:02 | garycmartin | walterbender: another meta data we should standardise on is cc license flags (but again I'd not rush to expose such data all over the UI, just agree on some standard usage). |
| 14:03 | walterbender | garycmartin: would the badges show up in the Journal or only when running the activity? |
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| 14:04 | walterbender | garycmartin: I would like, for example, to give special badges out for using certain TA blocks... |
| 14:04 | garycmartin | walterbender: I'd +1 standardising on a set of extra (optional) metadata so that we start generating useful data and better instrumenting Sugar to automatically track more variables (number of time resumed is an easy obvious one). I don't think we have to agree where to expose the data just now, and until we start to get some, the UI side will just stall things. |
| 14:05 | walterbender: Why not display badges, cups, certificates, etc in an Achievements activity? | |
| 14:05 | walterbender | garycmartin: part of the mechanics is for the activity to let the journal (or some other activity) know what is worth exposing... I save lots of different metadata, but only a few fields have user-oriented info. But that would vary from activity to activity |
| 14:05 | garycmartin: +1 | |
| 14:06 | garycmartin: but I think there is more to it than just achievements | |
| 14:06 | but we could invent an iconic language for this... | |
| 14:06 | garycmartin | walterbender: that way we could proof the idea out side of changing the UI designs right now. It's also likely to become clearer which metadata we might want to start exposing in the Journal/details view. |
| 14:07 | walterbender | garycmartin: +1 |
| 14:07 | garycmartin | walterbender: 'more to it than just achievements' can you elaborate? |
| 14:07 | walterbender | wants a Sísyphos badge :) |
| 14:07 | gonzalo | garycmartin, walterbender: the achievements should need cross the metadata with teacher criteria. |
| 14:07 | walterbender | garycmartin: I guess the question is: open ended or a fixed set... |
| 14:08 | I think there is no reason not to leave things somewhat open to activities | |
| 14:09 | garycmartin | Sísyphos badge, the son of Aeolus and founder and king of Corinth. Renowned for his cunning, he was said to have outwitted even Death. For his disrespect to Zeus, he was condemned to eternal punishment in Tartarus. Having a bad day? |
| 14:10 | walterbender | garycmartin: that is sort of the point... I think we will want to invent things like bad-day badges... |
| 14:10 | gonzalo | walterbender: ?? |
| 14:10 | walterbender | it is also not clear that each system will want to use the same evaluation mechanisms... |
| 14:11 | garycmartin | gonzalo: apart from some we may be able to instrument Sugar with recording, it would be down to lobbying Activity authors, and the maintainers of the Achievement activity to meet with teachers criteria... |
| 14:11 | gonzalo | walterbender: i think we should start with the metadata, later, with more information we willl be enabled to think in achivements |
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| 14:13 | garycmartin | gonzalo: walterbender has fallen offline, hopefully will make it back in a moment |
| 14:13 | gonzalo | garycmartin: the problem i see with the achivement activity is how we can define what is ok to every user (i mean to different user levels) |
| 14:14 | that is a teacher's task | |
| 14:14 | garycmartin | gonzalo: well some game theory will be of help, it's the same problem they have to deal with to keep players interested. |
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| 14:14 | walterbender | sorry... I lost my connection |
| 14:14 | garycmartin | walterbender: we guessed :) |
| 14:14 | gonzalo | welcome back :) |
| 14:14 | walterbender | thx |
| 14:15 | maybe some sketches? | |
| 14:15 | and then we can discuss some of the other journal-related themes? | |
| 14:15 | for example, there is some connection between badges and tags... | |
| 14:15 | presumable both are searchable | |
| 14:16 | but they are really for different purposes. | |
| 14:16 | garycmartin | walterbender: I think I have a folder somewhere were I was working once on Sugar design fruit badges, just playing with ideas. |
| 14:17 | walterbender | 3 lemons for a really bad TA project :) |
| 14:17 | manuq | walterbender: hi! |
| 14:17 | walterbender | hi manuq |
| 14:17 | we've been discussing a bit already, while I am on line | |
| 14:17 | garycmartin | walterbender: tags are tags. Badges are generated from any available data, hidden or visible. |
| 14:18 | walterbender | garycmartin: yes... both are binary where as I think some data we may want to show is not binary |
| 14:18 | gonzalo | and badges are assigned by the teacher, right? |
| 14:18 | walterbender | gonzalo: or earned in the context of an activity |
| 14:18 | garycmartin | gonzalo: no |
| 14:20 | walterbender | all of this could also show up in the Portfolio activity |
| 14:20 | garycmartin | gonzalo: teacher/educators work with us to balance the Achievement activity logic. It uses that logic to display trophies, badges, cups, certificates based on it's analysis of the Journal. |
| 14:20 | gonzalo | walterbender: +1 |
| 14:20 | garycmartin: in many cases will be possible, but in other is no so simple | |
| 14:21 | garycmartin | walterbender: Portfolio, well if you star an Achievement Journal entry ;-) |
| 14:21 | gonzalo | garycmartin: in particular in "open activities" |
| 14:21 | garycmartin | gonzalo: There's no sane way a |
| 14:22 | walterbender | I think a game should be able to award whatever badges it wants, for example |
| 14:22 | gonzalo | garycmartin: for example, how can we judge how good is a draw in paint or a song played with tamtam? |
| 14:22 | walterbender | but there could also be a global gamer badge |
| 14:22 | garycmartin | sane way a teacher could flag a learners activity to awards a star, badge etc. That's just asking for folks to cheat and hack making them meaningless. |
| 14:22 | walterbender | gonzalo: well, one indicator is the complexity of the tools they used... |
| 14:23 | gonzalo | walterbender: no really |
| 14:23 | i can press all the buttons | |
| 14:23 | at random | |
| 14:23 | walterbender | gonzalo: you can spoof it, sure... |
| 14:23 | and when exploring, that usually happens. | |
| 14:23 | gonzalo | a kid will found it in 10 minutes :) |
| 14:24 | walterbender | gonzalo: they can spoof anything we design... |
| 14:24 | garycmartin | walterbender: activities should be able to specify a badge svg image to be shown for a given metadata award. If none is set Achievement activity would use one of it's own. |
| 14:24 | gonzalo | i think the badges add a level of complexity to metadata, and should be analyzed later |
| 14:25 | but we can start with the simple games, like typing turtle, maze, etc | |
| 14:25 | where we can do a logic decission | |
| 14:26 | walterbender | gonzalo: maze, typing turtle, can be made harder to spoof. Paint, TA, Write... that is more difficult... |
| 14:26 | that is why I think Portfolio is still relevant | |
| 14:26 | gonzalo | ClaudiaU is collecting what information the teachers want http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Datos_diario |
| 14:26 | ClaudiaU | hello |
| 14:26 | gonzalo | hello ClaudiaU :) |
| 14:27 | garycmartin | gonzalo: yes lets see the value in a simple system using data we can track/generate. Lets not try to solve strong AI for analysing art and literature just now ;-) |
| 14:27 | gonzalo | garycmartin: +100 |
| 14:27 | we can wait to the next version :) | |
| 14:28 | ClaudiaU | gonzalo: I am going to edit with my team the contributions from countries.. translate everything and try to get feedback from community deployments |
| 14:29 | walterbender | I am not where to go from my current proposal... are badges an extension or a replacement? |
| 14:29 | gonzalo | walterbender: a extension |
| 14:29 | and a later step | |
| 14:29 | garycmartin | walterbender: gonzalo There are a number of default badges/awards we can generate easily for all activities. Discovery of some feature, number of entries created, number of folks collaborated with etc. |
| 14:30 | ClaudiaU | as you mentioned, the Journal is the next chat because most people get stuck thinking the journal is not friendly, or is notbehaving as it shoule be... |
| 14:30 | anything you want me to discuss with the learnig teams from countries, I am happy to discuss, but it would be nice to have one of you come to the chat | |
| 14:31 | gonzalo | ClaudiaU: i will be in the chat |
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| 14:31 | ClaudiaU | how do the badges fit in this? |
| 14:31 | gonzalo | garycmartin: i think the badges is a good idea, but does not have the highest priority |
| 14:32 | garycmartin | gonzalo: so what are we talking about? |
| 14:32 | seems to have missed the point. | |
| 14:32 | ClaudiaU | I don't want students to work based on the badges... |
| 14:32 | gonzalo | garycmartin: we started talking about metadata generated by activities |
| 14:33 | ClaudiaU | badges as reward system? |
| 14:33 | garycmartin | +1 for more metadata, and agree some standards for activity authors. |
| 14:33 | gonzalo | garycmartin: and in my view there are not a direct relation between metadata and badges |
| 14:33 | garycmartin | badges as a UI to show what a learner had done. |
| 14:33 | gonzalo | garycmartin: and probably ClaudiaU have a strong argument about why not use badges :) |
| 14:33 | walterbender | gonzalo: what I got from garycmartin's discussion is that we can make the presentation of the metadata a lot more fun |
| 14:34 | garycmartin | gonzalo: +1 for no concrete link between metadata and badges. |
| 14:34 | gonzalo | walterbender: i am not sure of doing it right and fun :/ |
| 14:35 | garycmartin | walterbender: +1 |
| 14:35 | manuq | so metadata in the journal view, badges in the Archivements activity? |
| 14:35 | gonzalo | and i prefer do it right |
| 14:35 | walterbender | we already have arbitrary metadata, but we need to talk about how/when to display it |
| 14:35 | how/when/if | |
| 14:35 | gonzalo | walterbender: yes, you ave proposed the activity publish a list of "public" metadata? |
| 14:35 | walterbender | my if proposal was simply a dictionary entry for what to display |
| 14:36 | gonzalo: exactly... public might be a nice key for the entry | |
| 14:36 | better than activity_data :P | |
| 14:36 | garycmartin | manuq: I still think (certainly for the short mid term) all of this is hidden from the UI. But that an Achievement activity can be created to view it in learner, teacher, and developer friendly ways. |
| 14:37 | gonzalo | walterbender: and that information is in activity.info to sugar consumption? |
| 14:37 | walterbender | gonzalo: I just had put it in the metadata |
| 14:37 | gonzalo | walterbender: ahh, ok |
| 14:37 | walterbender | metadata[public] = 'a list of public keys' |
| 14:37 | gonzalo | ok |
| 14:38 | walterbender | garycmartin: in some sense, Portfolio is just another viewer for the Journal |
| 14:38 | garycmartin: and the achievement activity could be the same... | |
| 14:38 | garycmartin | walterbender: Yep. |
| 14:38 | ClaudiaU | I like the idea of displaying what the students has done somewhere else... it will show his learning style, and his preferences (or maybe lack of use of certain activities).. not sure about the name of the Acticity (Achievement).. |
| 14:39 | walterbender | but I think we need to consider that we want the kids (and teachers) to also annotate their work, perhaps based on these data |
| 14:39 | gonzalo | walterbender: +1 |
| 14:39 | walterbender | for example, in Portfolio, I show the Description. |
| 14:39 | maybe I should make that editable | |
| 14:40 | so it really is just an alternative view of the Journal expanded view | |
| 14:40 | manuq | walterbender: +1 |
| 14:40 | garycmartin | ClaudiaU: the name Achievement just how all the games out there deal with this kind of problem. It's a very common way to allow players to gauge how they are doing, for other to see what they have been doing, to try and lead player to try and discover and try new things. |
| 14:40 | gonzalo | walterbender: i think teacher feedback is a missing part of the journal |
| 14:40 | walterbender | I could live with that as a short-term solution... and we only need to agree on a keyword |
| 14:40 | +1 to public | |
| 14:41 | garycmartin | ClaudiaU: Happy to use another name if you don't think it appropriate. |
| 14:41 | walterbender | gonzalo: I agree... we could add that to Portfolio... of make an Assignment version of Portfolio |
| 14:41 | in Portfolio, the child does the editing; in Assignment it is the feedback from the teacher ? | |
| 14:42 | ClaudiaU | thanks garycmartin! It would be great to think with the learning teams about what the Activity should be name like |
| 14:42 | walterbender | along with stickers, smilies, ... |
| 14:42 | gonzalo | walterbender: i think is not so difficult to do (a teacher can have a password) and set it the first time |
| 14:42 | walterbender | has about another 30 minutes... |
| 14:43 | gonzalo: I can work on some sketches after I finish my current project (TA-cairo) | |
| 14:43 | gonzalo | walterbender: ta-cairo! great :) |
| 14:43 | walterbender, garycmartin, manuq, can we talk about the home/school mode idea? | |
| 14:44 | garycmartin | gonzalo: home/school mode? |
| 14:44 | gonzalo | garycmartin: i sent it in a reply to walterbender mail |
| 14:45 | walterbender | gonzalo: I think two sep. home views is an easy concept |
| 14:45 | gonzalo | walterbender: but is not the same.... |
| 14:45 | walterbender | gonzalo: I am talking about the UI element... it could drive everything else |
| 14:46 | gonzalo: in other words, if you launch an activity from the Home view, it doesn't go to thew school server... if you launch it from the School view, it does | |
| 14:46 | gonzalo | the idea is to enable the kid to identify what works he does with the xo is related to the school and what is his own exploration/games/music |
| 14:46 | walterbender | gonzalo: the kids could override it in the detail view... |
| 14:46 | gonzalo | walterbender: yes |
| 14:47 | manuq | garycmartin: the idea is that a child can change to "home mode" when she don't do school stuff, for example in weekends |
| 14:47 | walterbender | gonzalo: but to have to tag each item each time is a pain... we want a mechanism for a global setting |
| 14:47 | gonzalo | may be home mode was a wromg word because we have a "home view" |
| 14:47 | walterbender: yes, a mode switch | |
| 14:47 | walterbender | gonzalo: but it is important that the mode switch changes what activities appear on the home view |
| 14:47 | garycmartin | gonzalo: sounds like it's going to complicate the UI even more :( |
| 14:48 | ClaudiaU | what is the idea behind home/school? protect his privacy? |
| 14:48 | gonzalo | walterbender: i don't think it, why? |
| 14:48 | garycmartin | thinks it's already too complicated |
| 14:48 | manuq | too |
| 14:48 | gonzalo | ClaudiaU: protect privacy, and avoid filling the school servers with mp3 |
| 14:48 | walterbender | gonzalo: one reason that, for example, Peru limits the number of activities on the machine is that the teachers don't like the clutter. |
| 14:49 | gonzalo | walterbender: but that is the use of favorites, right? |
| 14:49 | walterbender | anyway, I would personally love to have a simple way of swapping in and out lists of favorites |
| 14:49 | gonzalo: yes... and it could be under the homeview layout icon | |
| 14:50 | gonzalo | walterbender: if want work on this, i think we should tag the activities too |
| 14:50 | ClaudiaU | gonzalo: so leaving it to the kid is perhaps the wrong way to go.. we may end up not looking at things that may be interesting.. |
| 14:50 | gonzalo | and then filter by mathematics, or media, or games |
| 14:50 | walterbender | gonzalo: we already have the tag in ASLO |
| 14:51 | ClaudiaU: I see this as something soft, easily circumvented by the teacher or parents | |
| 14:51 | gonzalo | walterbender: yes, we should add this to activity.info |
| 14:51 | manuq | gonzalo: +1 |
| 14:51 | ClaudiaU | I heard.. kids delete their work because they value more their MP3 than theis Scratch projects, or anyother work... so they will make the same decisions.. no? |
| 14:51 | walterbender | I am not convinced we can really solve the privacy issue... but we can solve the server overload issue |
| 14:52 | ClaudiaU | walterbender: what about MP3 don't do to the server... |
| 14:52 | walterbender | and it gives each deployment the opportunity to lock down certain activities... a perennial issue. |
| 14:52 | gonzalo | ClaudiaU: we solved part of the problem with protected activitie |
| 14:52 | s | |
| 14:53 | ClaudiaU: but they can use ogg files, or videos | |
| 14:53 | but yes, we need resolve this too | |
| 14:54 | walterbender | I am going to need to head to the gate in a few minutes... |
| 14:54 | gonzalo | one problem we have, is what priorize now |
| 14:54 | satellit_ | limit certain file types ie: mp3 to an external usb or usb harddrive? |
| 14:54 | garycmartin | walterbender: thanks for making it to the meeting! |
| 14:54 | satellit_ | saving |
| 14:54 | walterbender | if you get a chance... please discuss write to journal any time |
| 14:54 | manuq | I think it's impossible to know whether a video or audio is for educational purposes or not |
| 14:54 | gonzalo | this cycle we will have a lot of changes, think about this |
| 14:55 | walterbender | and possibly grabbing the bulletin board key or a new icon on the toolbar |
| 14:55 | manuq | walterbender: have a nice fly! |
| 14:55 | walterbender | thanks... |
| 14:55 | garycmartin | walterbender: :) |
| 14:55 | gonzalo | walterbender: bye! |
| 14:55 | walterbender | hey... you guys know about the gtk3 meeting tomorrow? |
| 14:55 | ClaudiaU | what about two types of server interaction: 1) backup stores everything in the journal (but large media) , runs every certain days and 2) kids_use type of backup that stores meta data, comments and tags kind of information |
| 14:55 | walterbender | I think at 14UTC |
| 14:55 | garycmartin | walterbender: yes, same time as today |
| 14:55 | walterbender | OK... CU you guys. |
| 14:56 | ClaudiaU | because we are using backup of everything to understand use, and people are already having problems with the backup activity |
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| 14:56 | satellit_ | save only links for mp3 to back up not files |
| 14:57 | ClaudiaU | satellit_: +1 |
| 14:57 | gonzalo | ClaudiaU: you should ask to server side people |
| 14:57 | ClaudiaU | who are the server side people? |
| 14:58 | gonzalo: what do you mean? | |
| 14:58 | gonzalo | ClaudiaU: i don't know how is working the backup, satellit_ do you know? |
| 14:58 | ClaudiaU | backups everything |
| 14:59 | Agree.. it would be great to know how backup works.. thngs such as: how often, how many copies, ect | |
| 14:59 | gonzalo | ClaudiaU: we can mark the media created in the xo (audio and video) to know is different than the media downloaded |
| 14:59 | ClaudiaU | gonzalo: +1 |
| 15:00 | I heard that the backup function gets the server full.. so I wonder about the way it is implemented | |
| 15:00 | manuq | me too |
| 15:01 | gonzalo | ClaudiaU: ok, we should ask |
| 15:01 | manuq | there is a server devel mailing list |
| 15:01 | I will join it | |
| 15:01 | ClaudiaU | ok |
| 15:02 | manuq | http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel |
| 15:02 | ClaudiaU | I will like to go step by step with the learning teams because they can be so negative about many things |
| 15:03 | garycmartin | fwiw there are a bunch of different ways to backup implemented. There's a couple of activities, there's the original OPLC rsync solution, and I think Dextrose implemented their own Journal school server backup process that some other folks also use Any idea which you are using? |
| 15:03 | ClaudiaU | they want a friendlier Journal, that does simple things, and serves a purpose... |
| 15:04 | and for the purpose, they have different ideas too.. not all of them agree on what that is | |
| 15:05 | satellit_ | can metadata be used to mark authorized audio and video? if not marked use USB storage only |
| 15:06 | manuq | ClaudiaU: it's great to start having feedback from the learning teams |
| 15:06 | gonzalo | satellit_: i think so |
| 15:06 | manuq: +10 | |
| 15:06 | ClaudiaU | +100 |
| 15:06 | I love to be able to connect the two worlds... so expect more | |
| 15:06 | gonzalo | ClaudiaU: i don't know how was before, we are relative new :) |
| 15:07 | ClaudiaU: and yes, we need connect the two worlds/languages/experiences | |
| 15:07 | ClaudiaU | agree |
| 15:08 | gonzalo | garycmartin: are you still here? |
| 15:08 | garycmartin | manuq: +1, constructive feedback is so hard to get reliably! |
| 15:08 | ClaudiaU | Gonzalo, can you help me summarize this conversation, so I can invite the learning team for feedback. You can do it in English and I will translate... |
| 15:08 | I am planning to invite people in two languages and use the "-en" room... | |
| 15:09 | we'll see | |
| 15:09 | garycmartin | ClaudiaU: I think the translation chat bot might be broken just at the moment They are trying to get it fixed last I saw. |
| 15:10 | gonzalo | ClaudiaU: ok |
| 15:10 | ClaudiaU | garycmartin: it does work somewhat |
| 15:11 | gonzalo | garycmartin: next topic about the journal? |
| 15:11 | ClaudiaU | I was with dogi and gonzalo.. i have been using through the week and it does work |
| 15:13 | garycmartin | ClaudiaU: Make sure to give it another test, alsroot emailed yesterday about taking it offline because it was not correctly sending all messages and causing much confusion. |
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| 15:13 | ClaudiaU | ok |
| 15:14 | garycmartin | gonzalo: sorry I've lost track after our talk with Walter... |
| 15:15 | gonzalo | garycmartin: write journal any time? |
| 15:15 | alsroot | garycmartin: ClaudiaU: Google is closing his translation API for free usage, so we need to find an alternative. I've emailed to Apertium mailing list (the FOSS project for machinery translation), it might be a good possibility to synergy between two communities, and at least we will have en-es/es-en translation |
| 15:16 | will email to sugar mls after getting results | |
| 15:16 | ClaudiaU | alsroot: thanks! |
| 15:16 | So I shouldn't use the #olpc-aprendizaje-en? | |
| 15:18 | manuq | ClaudiaU: I'm afraid is not working at the moment |
| 15:21 | garycmartin | gonzalo: manuq: Sorry, I think I need to tune out for a while. I will try to catch up replying to some of these topics via email later in the week. |
| 15:21 | gonzalo | garycmartin: ok |
| 15:22 | garycmartin | gonzalo: thanks. Glad we managed to catch Walter this week. |
| 15:23 | manuq | garycmartin: thanks for your time! |
| 15:24 | garycmartin | manuq: you too! |
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