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14:58 | bernie | present |
14:59 | walterbender | hi bernie |
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15:00 | bernie | cjb: hello? |
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15:00 | icarito | hola bernie walterbender cjb alsroot |
15:01 | alsroot | hi all |
15:01 | cjb | hi folks |
15:01 | walterbender | hi all... seems we have a quorum |
15:01 | #start-meeting | |
15:01 | meeting | Meeting started Thu Oct 20 15:01:17 2011 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
15:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
15:01 | acaire11 <acaire11!~webchat![]() |
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15:01 | walterbender | I'd like to start off with a quick discussion regarding the upcoming SLOB election |
15:01 | #topic SLOB election | |
15:02 | Last time, there was some back and forth regarding publicity for the election and I want to make sure we address that up front this time. | |
15:03 | Canoeberry was particularly outspoken and so, even though he is not here at the moment, I would like to task him with taking charge of this issue. | |
15:03 | Since I am one of the people running for reelection, I don't think I should be the one doing this. | |
15:05 | But I do implore all of you to help sign up contributors who are not yet members, so that they can vote and to help recruit candidates so that we have a representative board | |
15:06 | bernie | I was wondering... don't we ever expire memberships? |
15:06 | we have some members from 2008 who have obviously been inactive for years. | |
15:06 | walterbender | bernie: not that I know of... is it necessary? |
15:06 | icarito | the wiki says we'll ask for confirmation yearly |
15:06 | walterbender | presumably they won't vote... but we could do an analysis from the last election... |
15:07 | CanoeBerry <CanoeBerry!~CanoeBerr![]() |
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15:07 | bernie | they keep getting our election spam, though... there should be at least a procedure to voluntarily cancel Sugar Labs membership, no? |
15:07 | CanoeBerry | Hi! |
15:07 | walterbender | hi adam... do you need the backlog? |
15:08 | bernie | CanoeBerry: hello there: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]eeting/2011-10-20 |
15:08 | walterbender | icarito: it says "reviewed" not "confirmed" |
15:08 | icarito | walterbender, CanoeBerry hi - its availabel at http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]eeting/2011-10-20 |
15:08 | CanoeBerry | Thanks. |
15:08 | walterbender | icarito: I defer to our membership committee how they want to handle it |
15:09 | icarito | walterbender: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]_assurance_policy |
15:09 | "once a year members are asked to confirm" | |
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15:09 | icarito | looks like we have a policy we're not following |
15:09 | walterbender | icarito: my apologies... I didn't reaqd below the fold |
15:10 | icarito: not the first time :P | |
15:10 | bernie | ah, that's interesting. |
15:10 | alsroot | lets read our wiki! |
15:10 | walterbender | I guess we best remind the membership committee of its own rules |
15:11 | bernie | our membership infrastructure is almost non-existent. we have an rt queue for membership requests and a spreadsheet listing the members. |
15:11 | CanoeBerry | bernie: do you have suggestions for cleaning/promoting our SL membership list? EG. Tony Anderson sitting right next to me is a very active contributor yet not on the list.. |
15:11 | bernie | we should perhaps switch to a proper crm |
15:11 | icarito | bernie: perhaps alsroot single sign in proposal fits in nicely |
15:11 | bernie | CanoeBerry: did he request membership? |
15:11 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: Tony ignores the calls to join... Not sure what we can do about that. |
15:12 | icarito | CanoeBerry: he must go thru the new member process like everyone |
15:12 | CanoeBerry: if he wants to vote | |
15:12 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: maybe ask him why he never signed up? |
15:12 | bernie | CanoeBerry: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]ng_for_membership |
15:12 | CanoeBerry | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]Labs/Members/List |
15:13 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: will you take charge of drumming up interest in the election as per the discussion right before you arrived? |
15:14 | CanoeBerry | I don't know much about marketing, but yes I can ask people to jump in the ring on all the usual mailing lists. |
15:14 | icarito | walterbender, CanoeBerry - i think it's all of SLOBs responsibility to drum up interest in the process |
15:14 | bernie | icarito: but not if we're running for re-election... there would be a conflict of interest |
15:14 | icarito | also our user community is mostly spanish speaking |
15:14 | CanoeBerry | The harder question is how we remove folk who haven't shown signs of life for a year or 2 or 3.. |
15:15 | icarito | bernie: I see no harm in candidates rallying for members / more candidates |
15:15 | bernie | CanoeBerry: i'd propose to remove those for which we have no email address immediately... we can't even contact them for voting anyway. |
15:15 | walterbender | doesn't see why the dead wood matters... |
15:16 | bernie | CanoeBerry: for the rest, we could let the membcom figure out what to do. |
15:16 | walterbender | I propose we let the membership committee sort it out, but that we remind them of the rules |
15:16 | CanoeBerry | is Luke F. the membership committee? |
15:16 | bernie | (going into the procedural details of how to lapse memberships is outside the scope of SLOBs, imho... there's a membership committee to take care of this) |
15:16 | CanoeBerry | Walter's correct that dead wood is generally harmless. |
15:17 | bernie | CanoeBerry: yes, only him at the moment, but I'll join him for the next election. |
15:17 | icarito | i think there should be a spanish speaker in the membership commitee - maybe we can solicit help here? |
15:17 | bernie | icarito: maybe dirakx? |
15:17 | walterbender | icarito: +1 make it happen |
15:18 | bernie | icarito: or anyone else you know... but not someone running for reelection this year. |
15:18 | icarito | bernie: we can ask dirakx or maybe pflores, +1 |
15:19 | bernie | and i'd propose giving the membcomb folks full autonomy on how to manage memberships. we have a tendency of micro-managing these things... |
15:19 | walterbender | it would be nice to have someone who isn't employed by one of the candidates as well |
15:19 | CanoeBerry | bernie: i disagree |
15:19 | icarito | bernie: +1 |
15:19 | bernie | CanoeBerry: so they should seek for approval after they've come up with a plan? |
15:19 | alsroot | CanoeBerry: the reason? |
15:19 | CanoeBerry | slobs being disallowed from being involved in cultivating membership in their own organization is ridiculous |
15:20 | walterbender | thinks the membership committee is the agency, but not the policy maker |
15:20 | icarito | walterbender: can you suggest someone? |
15:20 | bernie | CanoeBerry: slobs are welcome, except when they're running for re-election |
15:20 | CanoeBerry | ok |
15:20 | bernie | CanoeBerry: chairs last 2 years... |
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15:21 | walterbender | icarito: I can think of lots of very active members who speak Spanish, e.g. Gonzalo, Guzman, Rosamel, Marianna, Claudia, ... |
15:22 | icarito | walterbender: maybe gonzalo or ClaudiaU_ |
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15:22 | walterbender | icarito: I will see Claudia today and can ask her. |
15:22 | CanoeBerry | Caryl Bigenho.. |
15:22 | icarito | walterbender: great |
15:22 | walterbender | icarito: it has the advantage of reach into the learning side of Sugar, which is under repesented IMHO |
15:22 | CanoeBerry | Has been extremely active is translating to Spanish.. |
15:23 | icarito | walterbender: unless she'll run this year as candidate I guess |
15:23 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: we could have more than one!! |
15:23 | CanoeBerry | French-speaker too possibly, at some point.. |
15:24 | walterbender | lets take it as an action that we will all try to recruit more members (with language skills) to the membership committee... nice to get Rwanda represented as well |
15:24 | icarito | thinks we're at a point where official sugar labs communications should try to be bi-lingual {spanish, english} |
15:24 | bernie | icarito: that would be great, if we have the manpower to do it |
15:24 | walterbender | icarito: we have stumbled re translation several times... |
15:25 | icarito | bernie: official sugar labs communications are so rare that I don't think it should be a problem asking the community |
15:26 | walterbender | icarito: I don't think anyone objects to the idea... but how it gets done is an open question |
15:26 | speaking of questions, CanoeBerry ^^ | |
15:27 | will you be willing to take responsibility for publicizing the election? | |
15:27 | CanoeBerry: I'd like to avoid the mess we had last time | |
15:29 | ping | |
15:29 | CanoeBerry | Luke's done a great job setting this year's election dates down, but absoluely they need to be publicized more, so let's start by doing that right here: |
15:29 | ELECTION DETAILS FOR 2011-2012: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]tober/014205.html | |
15:29 | - 2011-11-07 23:59 EST: Deadline for applications for membership. | |
15:29 | - 2011-11-12 23:59 EST: All membership applications processed. | |
15:29 | - 2011-11-15 23:59 EST: Candidate list closed. | |
15:29 | - 2011-11-16 17:00 EST: Ballots sent by email, start of voting period. | |
15:29 | - 2011-11-30 17:00 EST: Voting period ends. | |
15:30 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: FWIW, at least three emails have gone out to iaep, community-news, and sugar-devel. and at least one to sur |
15:30 | icarito | walterbender, CanoeBerry just send that on all the Sugar lists in Eng/Spa - I think that should be enough? |
15:31 | walterbender | and French :P |
15:31 | icarito: and Quechua :) | |
15:31 | icarito | walterbender: when we have 1 million quechua speakers I'll agree |
15:31 | btw we have other topics | |
15:32 | s/speakers/users/g | |
15:32 | walterbender | we do... I am waiting for Canoeberry to answer my question so we can wrap this one up. |
15:34 | I guess he has a bad connection. I will take it up with him offline, but we need someone to take responsibility for publicity. | |
15:34 | gonzalo | please check the ballot mails are not trapped by spam filters. the last vote (about license) many of us found the mails after the election in our spam filters, and a important part of the members didn't voted |
15:34 | CanoeBerry | i think everybody needs to take (some) responsibility to promote membership and election participation, but yes i will do my part |
15:35 | icarito | gonzalo: +1 |
15:35 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: thanks... having one person driving it will make a difference. |
15:35 | gonzalo: please discuss this with Luke. | |
15:35 | #agreed CanoeBerry will lead the publicity efforts for the 2011 election cycle | |
15:35 | icarito | gonzalo: can you help us be a part of the election commitee? we need the election communicatino to be bilingual |
15:36 | walterbender | shall we move on? |
15:36 | icarito | walterbender: I dont think that's what CanoeBerry is saying |
15:36 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: can you please clarify? |
15:37 | gonzalo | icarito: may be anybody like pflores can be contacted? |
15:37 | icarito | gonzalo: you, dirakx pflores ClaudiaU_ any active member who speaks Eng/Spa is welcome and would be very appreciated |
15:38 | walterbender | #agreed that we should send election mailing out in English and Spanish... |
15:39 | but can we leave the details to be sorted out... not a SLOBs topic IMHO... we need to move on | |
15:39 | but we need to clarify CanoeBerry's role | |
15:40 | icarito | walterbender: I think CanoeBerry's been very clear it's all of us who are responsible and I agree |
15:40 | no need for a leader | |
15:41 | can we move on? | |
15:41 | walterbender | icarito: I disagree and that is why I asked if CanoeBerry would take the lead... |
15:41 | CanoeBerry | i'm sending an email right now, kicking all people to consider becoming SL members and SL candidates, but all need to do more |
15:41 | icarito | walterbender: there he's leading now ;-) |
15:41 | walterbender | icarito: in our past experience we needed someone driving the effort |
15:42 | icarito: so it seems there is no disagreement... leading doesn't mean others are not responsible. | |
15:42 | icarito | ok |
15:42 | walterbender | icarito: so can we move on to the next topic? raffael is standing by |
15:43 | icarito | #topic SL Germany |
15:43 | raffael: how can we help? | |
15:43 | walterbender | raffael: can you please summarize the current situation? |
15:44 | raffael | Everythings fine so far: I will start with the name sugar labs berlin - if you agree |
15:44 | CanoeBerry | Email sent. All plz help me forward it into other languagese / onto other lists far beyond just: |
15:44 | cjb | sounds good to me |
15:44 | icarito | raffael: perfect |
15:44 | walterbender | raffael: +1 |
15:44 | CanoeBerry | http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]tober/014269.html |
15:45 | icarito | raffael: anything else we can help with? |
15:45 | raffael | Do I need the MOU? |
15:45 | walterbender | we need to ratify and we need to get the SFC blessing |
15:45 | cjb | oh yeah, Bradley got mad at us for signing MOUs |
15:45 | icarito | btw this is another topic we need SFC blessings for all Local Labs it seems |
15:45 | walterbender | raffael: I can work with you offline on sorting out the details of an MOU with Bradley |
15:46 | but it seems we have consensus from SLOBs... | |
15:46 | icarito | has anyone responded to bradley's email about this? |
15:46 | walterbender | SLOBs can vote on the final wording |
15:46 | icarito: I will sort things out with Bradley... | |
15:47 | #agreed raffael and walterbender will work with the SFC on the wording of an MOU to establish SL Berlin | |
15:47 | then SLOBs can vote to ratify | |
15:48 | we already discussed the gist of the MOU and agreed on everything except the name... now we have consensus on that, so I think it will go smoothly | |
15:48 | CanoeBerry | time check: i need to run in 10 min (oer less) traveling to SF Summit! |
15:48 | walterbender | OK... next topic? |
15:49 | icarito | next topic? |
15:49 | walterbender | Peru? |
15:49 | icarito | yes Sugar Camp Lima 2011 |
15:49 | walterbender | #topic Sugar Camp Lima 2011 |
15:49 | icarito | walterbender: have you learned if we can go into contract with the Peru government thru the SFC? |
15:50 | you agreed to finding out | |
15:50 | walterbender | icarito: I don't know... It depends upon the nature of the contract and who 'we' is |
15:50 | acaire11 | hi walter |
15:50 | we as sugarlabs peru | |
15:50 | remember last meeting? | |
15:51 | walterbender | acaire11: SomosAzúcar |
15:51 | acaire11 | SomosAzúcar is SugarLabs Perú |
15:51 | walterbender | It wasn't clear to me from the log of the last meeting what the contract would entail. |
15:52 | acaire11 | funny |
15:52 | you told us you would as | |
15:52 | ask | |
15:52 | the SFC | |
15:53 | it's vital for our sustainability | |
15:53 | walterbender | acaire11: There are two facets to the question: (1) can a local lab act as an agency of SFC and (2) the specifics of a contract |
15:54 | cjb | yeah, SFC is going to want their own lawyers to review the contract, probably |
15:54 | walterbender | acaire11: as far as I understand from my discussions everything depends on #2 |
15:54 | icarito | there is a clear procedure for item ( 2 ) - two weeks in advance they need to review the contract |
15:54 | walterbender | cjb: no doubt |
15:54 | icarito | you agreed to ask #1 |
15:54 | walterbender | icarito: in my experience, two weeks is wishful thinking |
15:55 | icarito | walterbender: then the documentation in the wiki is misleading, again |
15:55 | acaire11 | so, we can offer services rigth? |
15:55 | walterbender | icarito: #1 is dependent on the nature of the entity... SFC is unequivocally non profit |
15:55 | CanoeBerry | what are the possible timeframes for Sugar Camp Lima 2011? |
15:55 | acaire11 | 18 and 19 of november, dates are confirmed |
15:55 | CanoeBerry | thx |
15:55 | walterbender | icarito: the documentation is word for word what SFC told me... but in practice, I have found things take longer... |
15:56 | icarito | #link to temporary site https://sites.google.com/a/som[…]ucarcamplima2011/ |
15:56 | bernie | has to leave in 5 minutes |
15:57 | CanoeBerry | too |
15:57 | walterbender | We need to wrap up... |
15:57 | acaire11 | it is very important for us to understand if we can offer our services to the gobernment |
15:57 | walterbender | can I ask that acaire11 and icarito give me more details re the nature of the proposed contract and I will try to get a response from Bradley? |
15:58 | acaire11: you can offer your services... it is a matter of whether or not SFC will be the entity | |
15:58 | acaire11 | consulting |
15:58 | walterbender | acaire11: and I am just giving you a heads up that getting contracts sorted out with the SFC is time consuming |
15:59 | acaire11: my impression is that there is a deliverable and support... | |
15:59 | acaire11 | understood |
15:59 | walterbender | acaire11: that may go beyond the comfort-level of the SFC, but we need to ask to find out |
15:59 | acaire11 | as for now we need your suport to bring aleksey and ruben to lima |
15:59 | we will go into the formal procedure | |
16:00 | we need their tickets | |
16:00 | :o) | |
16:00 | walterbender | acaire11: you need to propose why and how much it will cost and we can evaluate if we can afford it |
16:00 | acaire11 | will do |
16:00 | thanks to all | |
16:00 | we are counting on you | |
16:01 | walterbender | everyone: thanks for attending... |
16:01 | CanoeBerry | As we close, please all consider documenting the parts of Sugar that matter most duringour book sprint tomorrow/onwards.. |
16:01 | bernie | sorry, i have to drop off! |
16:01 | walterbender | have a great time in SF.., |
16:02 | CanoeBerry | In SF especially! |
16:02 | wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_SanFranciscoBayArea/OLPCSF_Community_Summit_2011/Help_Activity_Refresh | |
16:02 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: please let us know how we can help get the word out... |
16:02 | CanoeBerry | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC[…]_Activity_Refresh |
16:02 | walterbender | should refresh the Sugar book |
16:02 | OK... | |
16:02 | 3 | |
16:02 | 2 | |
16:03 | 1 | |
16:03 | CanoeBerry | Caryl & Christoph leading especially.. |
16:03 | walterbender | bon voyage |
16:03 | #end-meeting | |
16:03 | meeting | Meeting ended Thu Oct 20 16:03:10 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
16:03 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-20T15:01:17.html | |
16:03 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-10-20T15:01:17 | |
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