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15:05 | garycmartin | Anyone here for a design meeting? |
15:06 | silbe | will listen |
15:09 | garycmartin | manuq: gonzalo: ping? |
15:09 | manuq | hi garycmartin |
15:10 | garycmartin | manuq: Hi! up for a meeting today, or busy? |
15:10 | manuq | garycmartin: sorry we have not finished another meeting |
15:10 | gonzalo | garycmartin: we are finishing our triage meeting, can we do the desing meeting in 30 mins? |
15:10 | garycmartin | OK. No rush. 30min is fine for me. |
15:13 | manuq | garycmartin: thanks! |
15:30 | garycmartin: sorry again, I think I have to work in the next hours testing memorize in order to get it included in the olpc release | |
15:31 | garycmartin | manuq: Memorize was top of my list! |
15:32 | manuq: or is it just real bugs you are looking for? | |
15:33 | manuq | garycmartin: ok, I hope in a few minutes we can discuss Memorize then |
15:33 | garycmartin: bugs in collaboration mainly | |
15:33 | garycmartin | manuq: OK |
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15:34 | garycmartin | manuq: new regressions vs. bugs that might already be in the old version. |
15:39 | gonzalo: What is the Memorize toolbar order trying to land? Restart, Demo, 4x4 ? | |
15:44 | gonzalo | garycmartin: the order in v40 - no more changes. demo, 4x4, restart |
15:45 | garycmartin | damn. |
15:46 | gonzalo | garycmartin: is so bad? |
15:46 | garycmartin | gonzalo: did you catch the corner cases where the restart game button did not disable, or did you remove the disable code? |
15:47 | gonzalo | garycmartin: i am discussing the inclusion of memorize at all in our next release |
15:47 | the team is not happy with including so many changes at this moment in the release cycle | |
15:48 | today we will do test and have a decision | |
15:49 | if the activity is not accepted we can continue doing changes like crazy :) | |
15:49 | garycmartin | gonzalo: and land it in the soon to arrive Sugar bug fix release? |
15:53 | gonzalo | garycmartin: honey activities are not included in sugar release cycles, right? |
15:53 | garycmartin | gonzalo: manuq have just sent you both a quick email screen grab (and a tweaked game-new.svg tidy up). |
15:53 | manuq | checks the email... |
15:53 | garycmartin | gonzalo: yea, but can be a fussy area sometimes... |
15:54 | s/fussy/fuzzy/ :-) | |
15:54 | gonzalo | yeah |
15:57 | garycmartin, manuq, ok the other meeting finished | |
15:57 | garycmartin: are you ready? :) | |
15:58 | garycmartin | #startmeeting |
15:58 | meeting | Meeting started Mon Oct 3 15:58:15 2011 UTC. The chair is garycmartin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
15:58 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
15:58 | manuq | garycmartin: gonzalo, the reorder seems very good to me, and a little change |
15:59 | garycmartin | So should we start with Memorize or is that time passed? ;-) |
15:59 | gonzalo | manuq: you read the state of the affairs with Memorize |
15:59 | manuq | gonzalo: yes |
15:59 | gonzalo | garycmartin: can we start with the list of topics we want to talk? |
15:59 | silbe | is confused about "Honey" activities. Isn't honey composed of Fructose and Glucose (plus some other non-sweet components)? |
15:59 | manuq | resume: we have two hours for testing to death in order to include it |
16:00 | garycmartin | manuq: gonzalo did you see my email quick screen grab? |
16:00 | gonzalo | garycmartin: yes |
16:01 | manuq | garycmartin: yes, as I said, i find the reorder better |
16:01 | gonzalo | ok guys, please, before starting with memorize, let us organize the meeting |
16:01 | topics: | |
16:01 | * Memorize | |
16:02 | * next meetings proposal (gonzalo) | |
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16:02 | gonzalo | * discuss manu & gonzalo review? |
16:02 | what topics you want to talk? | |
16:02 | manuq | * redesign of powerd "please confirm" screen (manuq) |
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16:03 | garycmartin | any more? |
16:04 | manuq | that's all from my side |
16:05 | gonzalo | is ready |
16:05 | garycmartin | #topic Memorize toolbar rework |
16:06 | gonzalo | garycmartin: toolbar rework is not a appropriate description anymore :) |
16:06 | garycmartin | :-) |
16:06 | gonzalo | ok, the situation is, we are late, very late |
16:06 | garycmartin | yes for Memorize it had a cascade effect into other issues with the old design. |
16:07 | gonzalo | i can do a change like the reorder of buttons, because is zero risk |
16:07 | manuq | yes |
16:07 | gonzalo | but i am not happy with pushing more changes |
16:07 | i think for a cycle we already did a lot of changes | |
16:07 | manuq | and gonzalo, maybe go back with the string changes for this release? |
16:08 | gonzalo | manuq: the old strings were badly selected (by me) |
16:08 | garycmartin | manuq were you +1 for the toolbar order of Restart, Demo, 4x4? |
16:08 | manuq | gonzalo: ok |
16:08 | gonzalo | and were not present in the last version |
16:08 | manuq | garycmartin: yes, at all |
16:09 | gonzalo | manuq: you think is ok remove the code to enable/disable the restart button? |
16:09 | garycmartin | gonzalo: by 'not happy with pushing more changes' do you not want to remove the Restart button auto enable/disable. It's pretty distracting and removing it means less code not more ;-) |
16:09 | gonzalo | don't want remove this code now |
16:10 | garycmartin: may be we can fill a ticket and remove it in one month? | |
16:11 | manuq | I know gonzalo did an effort to ensure that button is disabled in several cases |
16:11 | gonzalo | testing all the possible interactions is a nightmare |
16:12 | garycmartin | manuq: but not all :-( that would be the but I would file. There are already two cases where it does not disable when it should. |
16:12 | So that would need changes to fix. | |
16:12 | (verses deleting ~8 lines of code) | |
16:12 | manuq | garycmartin: it will simplify code, yes |
16:13 | the meaning of the button disabled is just "first move", or "game just started" | |
16:13 | is not very useful | |
16:13 | gonzalo | garycmartin: i am not worried about these 8 lines, i am worried of enabling another unthought interaction |
16:14 | garycmartin | gonzalo: Hmmm, what was the original behaviour (goes looking for an old memorize) |
16:16 | gonzalo | garycmartin: please! fill a ticket, I can't push more changes now |
16:17 | garycmartin | :-(( OK |
16:17 | gonzalo | the activity will not be accepted and finally all this work will be rejected and we will distribute memorize 36 |
16:17 | i will inlcude your icon and reorder the icons | |
16:18 | the widgets | |
16:18 | garycmartin | gonzalo: so should I file tickets for the two cases where the Reset button does not correctly disable? |
16:18 | manuq | garycmartin: it wasn't a restart button in the old memorize! |
16:18 | gonzalo | or a ticket to remove the behavior at all |
16:19 | manuq | so, the current changes are already a very good improvement |
16:19 | let's try to push it | |
16:20 | garycmartin | manuq: Yes there was. Just found an old copy. 'Restart Game' was the first button in the toolbar, and it was active all the time. |
16:21 | manuq | garycmartin: ah, found it, you are right |
16:21 | garycmartin | manuq: just had a different icon (3x3 grid with a grey down arrow) |
16:21 | manuq | garycmartin: yes, I confused it with the current activity icon |
16:22 | garycmartin | manuq: clicking it refreshed the board even if you've not started playing yet. |
16:22 | manuq | garycmartin: yes |
16:23 | gonzalo | garycmartin, manuq: any other ticket you want to fill? :D |
16:23 | garycmartin | gonzalo: I'll file a bug with my patch right after the meeting. |
16:23 | gonzalo | garycmartin: perfect |
16:24 | garycmartin | gonzalo: I'll pull a fresh git clone after this meeting to make sure I'm with your latest changes. |
16:25 | gonzalo | garycmartin, manuq: ok, all the test we can do is welcomed |
16:25 | garycmartin | ok next topic? |
16:25 | manuq | gonzalo, yes, I will start testing right after the meeting |
16:25 | gonzalo | next meetings proposal |
16:26 | garycmartin | #topic Next meeting proposal |
16:26 | gonzalo | i have a idea to discuss |
16:26 | garycmartin | gonzalo: go for it! |
16:26 | gonzalo | now we have the "Design Team" and the "Activity Team" |
16:26 | but most of the people involved in one is in the other :) | |
16:27 | garycmartin | :) |
16:27 | gonzalo | may be we can do one week Design team meeting and the next activity team meeting |
16:27 | i think we did a lot of design work in the last months | |
16:28 | and we can go toa more relaxed rythm now :) | |
16:28 | and... | |
16:28 | garycmartin | gonzalo: sounds good to me |
16:29 | gonzalo | may be we need do a list of homework for the next meeting and come to the meeting with topics prepared |
16:29 | manuq | gonzalo: is good if you mean the discussion in one week serves to the next, design > code > design > ... |
16:30 | garycmartin | There is a team of things on the meetings page, but it's like an ever growing list of things we can only make slow progress on. |
16:30 | s/team/ream/ | |
16:30 | manuq | garycmartin: in parallel, after the release of 11.3.0 , I would like to revisit the HIG with you |
16:31 | garycmartin | manuq: +1 |
16:31 | gonzalo | manuq, not only code, opne task can be "prepare a proposal mockup to ...." |
16:31 | manuq | garycmartin: and go over the tasks you proposed for the Design Team |
16:31 | gonzalo: sounds good | |
16:31 | garycmartin | manuq: I was thinking we could tackle the HIG as a series of smaller documents. So we could do a couple of pages of text/examples covering the new toolbar guidelines as a first step. |
16:32 | manuq | garycmartin: yes! I have to document bundles usage in icons, it's in my TODO list |
16:33 | garycmartin | manuq: that way we can have a few cycles where the community reads the smaller document through and agrees or not with the points. |
16:33 | gonzalo | garycmartin: this is a good example of a task is better do out of the meeting, and use the meeting to discuss/review |
16:33 | manuq | garycmartin: sounds good |
16:34 | garycmartin | OK, so it sounds like +1 for alternate weeks of design vs activity team meetings! What should we have next week? |
16:35 | gonzalo | activities! :) |
16:35 | manuq | ok for me |
16:35 | garycmartin | #agreed Alternate meetings for the Design and Activity Team (particularly due to the overlap in membership) |
16:36 | OK, Activity Team meeting next Monday. No skiving off now!!! ;-) | |
16:36 | gonzalo | garycmartin: can you send a mail to sugar-devel to publish it? |
16:36 | garycmartin | #action garycmartin to notify mail-list of change in meetings. |
16:37 | silbe | don't forget the calendar |
16:37 | garycmartin | silbe: I don't have access. |
16:37 | silbe: It's just Walter I thought? | |
16:37 | gonzalo | silbe: who can write in the calendar? |
16:38 | garycmartin | next topic (don't want to eat up Memorize testing hrs)? |
16:38 | silbe | I have no idea :) |
16:38 | garycmartin | #topic Discuss manu & gonzalo review |
16:39 | gonzalo: do you want to dive into this one? | |
16:39 | manuq | with the toolbar catalog updated, we went through oll of them and found some things to make better |
16:40 | garycmartin | manuq: ah yes the email I still haven't replied to yet! |
16:40 | gonzalo | garycmartin: did you discussed it with walter the last week |
16:40 | ? | |
16:40 | manuq | garycmartin: yes, and we send an email last week |
16:41 | I can move the review to a wiki page | |
16:41 | garycmartin | gonzalo: I may have indirectly chatted to Walter about some items. But I know he dived in and made some changes right away. |
16:42 | gonzalo | yes, i saw patches |
16:42 | manuq | garycmartin: yes, he did |
16:42 | garycmartin | manuq: gonzalo: It's a really good review, let me get to it offline and send a reply. Sorry for letting it slip a week. |
16:42 | gonzalo | garycmartin: ok, i think is better do it offline |
16:43 | manuq | garycmartin: thanks for your time! |
16:43 | your feedback is appreciated | |
16:43 | garycmartin | #action garycmartin to follow up on Toolbar review email from last week. |
16:44 | OK next, yes? | |
16:44 | gonzalo | yes |
16:44 | redesign of powerd "please confirm" screen (manuq)? | |
16:44 | garycmartin | #topic Redesign of powerd "please confirm" screen |
16:44 | gonzalo | manuq: what is this screen? |
16:44 | garycmartin | manuq: What were you considering? |
16:45 | manuq | gonzalo: is the screen that appears when you first click the shutdown button in the xo |
16:45 | first press, not click | |
16:45 | gonzalo | ahh |
16:45 | garycmartin | gonzalo: when you hit the power button you get a black/white screen indicating sleep, wake, power off actions. |
16:45 | manuq | yes |
16:45 | the current design was made to be replaced | |
16:46 | garycmartin | hit power button again to shutdown, leave alone to sleep, mouse/keys to wake up. |
16:46 | manuq | and it would be nice to add text to it, it would be localizable |
16:46 | gonzalo | manuq: hmmm |
16:47 | i think is a image | |
16:47 | garycmartin | manuq: it's currently a 1 bit png I think. |
16:47 | manuq | plus, I'm the owner of a ticket for thi s change: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/11294 |
16:47 | gonzalo | what information do you want to put in this image? |
16:47 | garycmartin | manuq: not sure abut adding text, that would be a lot of locale changes. |
16:48 | gonzalo | manuq: do you know where is the mentioned svg file? |
16:49 | manuq | garycmartin: yes but maybe we can do it in the long term |
16:49 | gonzalo | and is really waiting a confirmation? |
16:49 | garycmartin | manuq: yea, I've not seen the svg. I've definitely looked at the bit map at one point (I was wondering if I could make the angles smoother ;-)) |
16:50 | manuq | let me find the svg, I have the url here... |
16:50 | garycmartin | gonzalo: It auto sleeps if you leave it for a few seconds, just the wake up, and power off are the extra actions a user could take. |
16:50 | gonzalo | manuq: just tested , and pressing ESC the process was stopped! |
16:51 | never tried before | |
16:51 | garycmartin | gonzalo: correct, any key should wake it |
16:51 | manuq | yes |
16:51 | garycmartin | gonzalo: or wiggle the mouse. |
16:51 | manuq | the svg is in this repo: git://dev.laptop.org/users/pgf/powerd |
16:52 | and now here too: http://dev.laptop.org/~manuq/pleaseconfirm.svg | |
16:53 | garycmartin | http://dev.laptop.org/git/user[…]pleaseconfirm.svg |
16:53 | gonzalo | manuq: well, i am sure you can improve it :) |
16:53 | but i am not sure about adding text | |
16:55 | manuq | I think that the graphics meaning can be improved with text, but I know it will bring a lot of translations |
16:55 | and yes, the current graphic design can be improved, I will come with a proposal for the next meeting | |
16:55 | or via email | |
16:56 | garycmartin | manuq: well worth a little exploring. No critical rush though I guess. |
16:56 | manuq | garycmartin: right |
16:57 | gonzalo | manuq: is possible do a i18n of svg files, but later we will need create the pixmap at runtime |
16:57 | manuq | gonzalo: or at build time |
16:58 | gonzalo | manuq: but we don't want include 60 different pixmaps.... |
16:58 | manuq | gonzalo: in the repo, there is a image in pgm format |
16:59 | gonzalo: yes, the amount of images can be a lot | |
16:59 | the current one has 436K | |
17:00 | adding text to a svg is an easy task, because it's just a text file | |
17:00 | gonzalo | ok, anything more? |
17:00 | manuq | no from me |
17:01 | gonzalo | garycmartin: ? |
17:01 | garycmartin | All done I think! |
17:01 | manuq | good! |
17:01 | garycmartin | Time to Memorize... |
17:01 | manuq | yes, let's switch to review & testing mode |
17:01 | garycmartin | 5 |
17:01 | 4 | |
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17:02 | #endmeeting | |
17:02 | meeting | Meeting ended Mon Oct 3 17:02:26 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
17:02 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-03T15:58:15.html | |
17:02 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-10-03T15:58:15 | |
17:02 | garycmartin | Fab, thanks, good meeting. |
17:02 | manuq | thanks a lot garycmartin |
17:03 | garycmartin | gonzalo: I'll go file a Memorize bug, and the add my patch to it. |
17:03 | gonzalo | garycmartin: ok |
17:03 | manuq | gonzalo: I'm back in a few minutes |
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17:26 | garycmartin | gonzalo: my patch has the toolbar reorder as well (git still has previous toolbar order) |
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17:28 | garycmartin | gonzalo: Shall I refer the re-order changes so you can make that step? |
17:28 | s/refer/revert/ | |
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