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| 14:21 | cjl | dirakx dirakx1 ping |
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| 14:26 | dirakx1 | cjl: pong |
| 14:26 | gonzalo | cjl, i did a suggestion to fa_AF |
| 14:26 | cjl | dirakx1 hello, |
| 14:26 | gonzalo | can you tell me if is correct? |
| 14:26 | cjl | gonzalo: I will look |
| 14:27 | Pootle is very slow. Can we do anything about that? | |
| 14:27 | gonzalo | i don't know if I wrote \n or n\ |
| 14:27 | cjl, yes, is very slow, but i don't know what do | |
| 14:28 | may be dirakx1 | |
| 14:28 | dirakx1 | I cna restart the service |
| 14:28 | to seeif it helps | |
| 14:28 | gonzalo | good |
| 14:28 | cjl | ok |
| 14:29 | closed Poolte windows | |
| 14:30 | dirakx1 | ... waiting ....... |
| 14:30 | cjl | So lets talk about a few other things while dirakx reboots pootle web-service |
| 14:31 | dirakx1 | ok node. |
| 14:31 | done. | |
| 14:31 | * | |
| 14:31 | guys can you give me ten mins..?. | |
| 14:31 | cjl | I think going through all of the fructose and honey activities and re-gen POT is a worthwhile project |
| 14:32 | dirakx1 absolutely. time is flexible | |
| 14:32 | dirakx1 | ok. |
| 14:32 | cjl | or relative as einstein said |
| 14:32 | gonzalo | cjl, i am reading http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Cjl/Honey_notes |
| 14:32 | in the section mangled pot files | |
| 14:32 | cjl | gonzalo: I think the TamTam rebase will solve a lot of issues |
| 14:33 | gonzalo | yes |
| 14:33 | if the developer recreate the pot file and push it, we resolve the problem? | |
| 14:33 | cjl | The POTs tha thave fallen behind code-base will be fixed by re-gen POT, commit, "update from VCS" in Templates |
| 14:34 | gonzalo | cjl, if you want, i can try with oficina |
| 14:34 | cjl | It may introduce other problems, but at least the localisers will ahve the right strings to work on. |
| 14:34 | gonzalo: please do oficina | |
| 14:34 | gonzalo | what other problems? |
| 14:35 | cjl | we did Pippy the otehr day |
| 14:35 | gonzalo: possible pootle-git connection issues (e.g. loss of commit links), but I am not sure. | |
| 14:35 | re can restore commit links by runnning all_langs.py script | |
| 14:36 | whatever issues it might cause are no worse than localizers not having current strings | |
| 14:36 | and also more easily worked around | |
| 14:37 | gonzalo | cjl, i did "python setup.py genpot" but did not changed the pot file (only the header) |
| 14:38 | cjl | hmmm, so no string changes o reven line location changes? |
| 14:39 | gonzalo | nop |
| 14:39 | [gonzaloaronax mainline]$ git diff po/Paint.pot |
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| 14:39 | diff --git a/po/Paint.pot b/po/Paint.pot | |
| 14:39 | index 613d964..e3dc6cf 100644 | |
| 14:39 | --- a/po/Paint.pot | |
| 14:39 | +++ b/po/Paint.pot | |
| 14:39 | @@ -8,10 +8,11 @@ msgid "" | |
| 14:39 | msgstr "" | |
| 14:39 | "Project-Id-Version: PACKAGE VERSION\n" | |
| 14:39 | "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n" | |
| 14:39 | -"POT-Creation-Date: 2011-06-04 00:31-0400\n" | |
| 14:39 | +"POT-Creation-Date: 2011-08-04 11:47-0300\n" | |
| 14:39 | "PO-Revision-Date: YEAR-MO-DA HO:MI+ZONE\n" | |
| 14:39 | "Last-Translator: FULL NAME <EMAILADDRESS>\n" |
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| 14:39 | "Language-Team: LANGUAGE <LLli.org>\n" |
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| 14:39 | +"Language: \n" | |
| 14:39 | "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" | |
| 14:39 | "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=CHARSET\n" | |
| 14:40 | "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n" | |
| 14:40 | cjl | gonzalo: I accepted and commited you suggestion. Try log fa_AF file in git now |
| 14:42 | gonzalo | cjl, ok, i will try again |
| 14:43 | cjl, grrrr, i did it wrong | |
| 14:44 | cjl | gonzalo: how so? |
| 14:44 | gonzalo | cjl, i have files modified here working, but editing in pootle is different |
| 14:44 | cjl | I'd like to get Poolt eright |
| 14:45 | Do you have them as full PO files? | |
| 14:45 | I can do an upload with overwrite | |
| 14:45 | gonzalo | cjl, yes |
| 14:45 | cjl | send them t ome by e-mail |
| 14:45 | gonzalo | ok |
| 14:45 | cjl | I'll save a copy of the original first |
| 14:47 | dirakx1 | here |
| 14:48 | gonzalo | cjl, sent |
| 14:48 | hola dirakx1 | |
| 14:52 | cjl | gonzalo: the Po files have been uploaded and committed t ogit. Test the git ones again please |
| 14:52 | One thing is tha Pashto still has prntf erros | |
| 14:54 | gonzalo | cjl, now setup build works |
| 14:54 | cjl | gonzalo: ok, but I still think the printf erros need looking at. |
| 14:55 | I'll try t ofollwo up with fwolff on whether pofilter groks RTL printf | |
| 14:55 | gonzalo | ok |
| 14:55 | cjl, dirakx1, can w start the meeting? | |
| 14:55 | cjl | at least the build isn't breaking, even if some of the strings may be gibberish :-) |
| 14:56 | gonzalo: lead on | |
| 14:57 | gonzalo | cjl, i think we can do a list of topics we want to talk first |
| 14:57 | cjl, can you do it, please? | |
| 14:57 | cjl | Want to walk through http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Cjl/Honey_notes ? |
| 14:58 | not one at a time, but in groups | |
| 14:58 | gonzalo | ok |
| 14:58 | cjl | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]hind_code_changes |
| 14:58 | I think we fix that by regen POT re-commit and "update from VCS" in templates. Just need t owork with maintainers | |
| 14:59 | gonzalo | cjl, can we start with calculate? |
| 14:59 | cjl | Please |
| 15:00 | Many string fixes in calculate not in POT on Poolte | |
| 15:00 | gonzalo | ckl, you say we need do genpot in calculate? |
| 15:00 | cjl | My plan is to keep track on that Fructose_git spreadsheet. |
| 15:01 | yes gonzalo needs regen fo POT and re-commit of POT changes | |
| 15:01 | Then I go to Poolte Templates project and do "update from VCS" | |
| 15:02 | gonzalo | cjl, let me try here to see the difference |
| 15:02 | dirakx1 | we can do the updates manually while we can. |
| 15:02 | cjl | When all activities in a project have been done, I go to each lang for tha tproject and do "update from templates" |
| 15:02 | dirakx1 | while we fix the automated procedure. |
| 15:03 | cjl | It is most impy that a good set of strings are in the hands of localizers for upcoming 0.94 release |
| 15:03 | Then we work on administrative efficiency | |
| 15:04 | We hunt through sayamindu's dirs on dev.laptop.org and git.sl.o | |
| 15:04 | maybe pester him again (in context of hooking up him and bernie on Poolte upgrade). | |
| 15:04 | gonzalo | cjl, dirakx1, let me stop one minute |
| 15:04 | cjl | ok |
| 15:05 | gonzalo | cjl, do we have a schedule for i18n now, right? |
| 15:05 | cjl | for 0.94? |
| 15:05 | gonzalo | yes |
| 15:05 | cjl | looks for wiki page |
| 15:06 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0[…]/Roadmap#Schedule | |
| 15:06 | One month until string freeze | |
| 15:07 | gonzalo | cjl, but this not apply to activities |
| 15:07 | we can try to send a message to activity developers to look at this | |
| 15:07 | dirakx1 | is only for core stuff right ?. |
| 15:07 | cjl | gonzalo: not to Honey, but t oFructose. Can touch ion "honey freeze" in a minute |
| 15:08 | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Cjl/11.3.0_notes1 | |
| 15:08 | First paragraphs and Action 1 talk about unofficial "honey freeze" | |
| 15:09 | gonzalo | cjl, dirakx1, i am thinking honey/fructose classification is not good anymore |
| 15:09 | dirakx1 | gonzalo: +1 |
| 15:09 | cjl | Honey doesn't ever really freeze, but we can jsut ask devs and have same effect, with no technical enforcement |
| 15:09 | gonzalo: Yeah, but it does make some sense. | |
| 15:09 | gonzalo | ac and olpc ship almost the same activities |
| 15:09 | and we need freeze them | |
| 15:10 | we need a frucose++ | |
| 15:10 | or anything like that | |
| 15:10 | dirakx1 | gonzalo: yep, we also have a roadmap that is in agreement with olpc, so we can work on the same deadlines. |
| 15:10 | cjl | gonzalo: Is a big challenge when you do not turn over control to one person t oenforce |
| 15:10 | brb | |
| 15:10 | gonzalo | dirakx1 +1 |
| 15:11 | bernie | cjl: yes, me and sayamindu should really spend some time on pootle together |
| 15:12 | gonzalo | dirakx1, cjl, may be we can purpose in the mailing list follow the schedule in the needed activities |
| 15:12 | hi bernie! | |
| 15:13 | bernie, yes, but we need talk about the problems we found before changing all | |
| 15:13 | bernie | gonzalo: can you write a summary to systems@? |
| 15:14 | this will be my last attempt trying to make some sense of pootle. | |
| 15:14 | if sayamindu and I working together can't get pootle to work properly, then we'd drop it for good. | |
| 15:15 | cjl | sighs |
| 15:15 | gonzalo | bernie, ok, we will do, cjl and dirakx have more information |
| 15:15 | cjl, dirakx1, we have another task to do | |
| 15:15 | cjl | bernie I think a lot of the issues attributed t oPoolte are Sayamindu customizations tha break |
| 15:15 | dirakx1 | gonzalo: +1. |
| 15:16 | bernie: thanks for dropping in | |
| 15:16 | cjl | They wer egood customizations and everyone thinks Poolte does them, but I think they are other scripts, not Poolte core |
| 15:16 | bernie | cjl: hopefully |
| 15:16 | dirakx1: i'm in italy, btw | |
| 15:16 | dirakx1 | bernie: nice. |
| 15:17 | cjl | bernie: fwolff (Poole core dev) told me that Poolte does not update POT files in repo. |
| 15:17 | evryone thinks Poolte is doing it, but it doesn't I think that was a Sayamindu customization. | |
| 15:17 | bernie | cjl: why would one want to update the pot files from pootle?? |
| 15:17 | cjl | If we upgrade, we can get more help from #poolte folks |
| 15:18 | bernie everyone thinks Poolte controls regen of POT in git | |
| 15:18 | it does not | |
| 15:19 | bernie is taht clearer? | |
| 15:19 | gonzalo | cjl, and probably is a good idea |
| 15:20 | bernie | cjl: ah, sure. i think regenerating pot files is the job of the maintainer, from time to time. |
| 15:20 | cjl | Ther was some Sayamindu script that did that, but it seems broken now |
| 15:20 | bernie | cjl: invoking gettext directly |
| 15:21 | cjl | bernie My main point is tha tsome of the frustrating problems that are being blamed on Poolte are not it's fault. |
| 15:22 | bernie | cjl: actually, using xgettext |
| 15:22 | cjl | I know ther was some upstream xgetext error tha was causing problems. dirakx1? |
| 15:22 | bernie | cjl: ah, i see. pootle also likes to crash every once in a while... that's entirely its own fault, i guess. |
| 15:23 | dirakx1 | cjl: yep |
| 15:23 | is on our bug tracker. | |
| 15:23 | cjl | http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2696 |
| 15:24 | bernie: the web-service hangs are Pooltes (or Django's) fault. | |
| 15:25 | We are using the first Django rebase of Poolte. Hoping that newer version is mor estable. | |
| 15:25 | bernie | cjl: i tried upgrading django some time ago, but the new release had some API changes that broke pootle |
| 15:26 | cjl | bernie I know you hate Poolte |
| 15:26 | We need Poolte new version and matching Django version | |
| 15:26 | bernie | cjl: yeah, i really do... and all django apps in general :-) |
| 15:26 | cjl | bernie: I appreciate that and I thnk you on behalf of all of the localizers for the patience you have shown. |
| 15:28 | gonzalo | bernie: manuq is a experience django developer, maybe he can help |
| 15:28 | cjl | bernie: We are trying to take the burden off of you. dirakx1 has really stepped up on dealing wit hthe web-service bounces. |
| 15:29 | bernie: I'm going to take another shot at ssh logging in so Ican do mor ePoolt eserver-side support too. | |
| 15:30 | I jsut don't want to do mor eharm than good, and I keep busy on the L10n community organizing front and via th ePoolte admin UI. | |
| 15:31 | dirakx1 | cjl: bernie gonzalo we might set a time for an upgrade..but first we have to fix the actual non pootle issues like, bad pots and all that. |
| 15:31 | gonzalo | dirakx1: +1 |
| 15:31 | cjl | dirakx1 yes and "social engineering" process like "honey freeze" if any |
| 15:32 | gonzalo | cjl dirakx1, yes |
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| 15:32 | cjl | dsd has invited me t othe 11.3.0 planning meetings t ogive a voice to L10n issues. |
| 15:32 | That is what http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Cjl/11.3.0_notes1 is all about | |
| 15:32 | So OLPC is looking at the same challenge as AC on Honey. | |
| 15:33 | But for now I will settle for getting a full set of strings in front of every language | |
| 15:33 | gonzalo | cjl dirakx1, then we can agree in: |
| 15:33 | 1) we need a freeze policy | |
| 15:34 | bernie | cjl, dirakx1: thank you guys |
| 15:34 | gonzalo | 1) we need a freeze policy for activities too |
| 15:34 | 2) we need redefine fructose/honey or a new group | |
| 15:34 | ok? | |
| 15:35 | cjl | gonzalo and tha tdiscussion needs to go t osugar-devel list |
| 15:35 | alsroot | gonzalo: what "freeze" means for activity developers? |
| 15:35 | gonzalo | alsroot: string freeze to enable the translators to do they work |
| 15:35 | dirakx1 | gonzalo: yep only that (1) should'n be forced. |
| 15:35 | cjl | alsroot Fructose is no more than a collection of activities, but it has a freeze |
| 15:36 | gonzalo | dirakx1, yes |
| 15:36 | dirakx1 | alsroot: it's only string freeze. |
| 15:36 | cjl | alsroot: my thoughts on a "honey freeze are here http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Cjl/11.3.0_notes1 |
| 15:37 | gonzalo | there are another point related with this, and is documentation |
| 15:37 | alsroot | gonzalo: cjl: my major point is that is mostly impossible (even for fructose) to have centralized releasing control. and its just not worth trying it. ie, translate.sl.o should be more flaxible, ie, not freezing activities but freezing particular versions (and let people code/release/whatever for the trunk) |
| 15:37 | cjl | Ask for the social courtesy, don't sweat the technical enforcement |
| 15:38 | gonzalo | alsroot, we can't enforce a centralized control, but we can suggest dates |
| 15:38 | cjl | We are lookin gat imporving outcomes wit hcommunication not command and control |
| 15:39 | gonzalo | cjl, yes |
| 15:39 | alsroot | gonzalo: well, if translatre.sl.o will rely on having frozen activities (not its version), that will mean exactly forcing |
| 15:39 | cjl | alsroot: translate.sl.o does no such thing |
| 15:39 | Templates can be updated at any time from git | |
| 15:39 | alsroot | cjl: I'm just reflecting on gonzalo's freezing proposal |
| 15:39 | gonzalo | alsroot, is not about impose, is about communicate and coordinate better |
| 15:40 | cjl | alsroot teh rpoposal is less an enforcement than a request for courtesy |
| 15:40 | The reality is tha tHoney activities do not move in concert | |
| 15:41 | and tah key Honey activities go through spurts fo changes then stabilize | |
| 15:41 | gonzalo | but also is true, there are may be 10 developers working in this activities |
| 15:41 | cjl | The idea is to avoid havign a spurt of changes jsut when people want to publish a version fo tha tactivity |
| 15:41 | gonzalo | not many more |
| 15:41 | alsroot | cjl: gonzalo: but once more, translate.sl.o should be reliable, ie, it is hard to manage activitites when not of them do the same (some have freeze some not) |
| 15:42 | cjl: ie, my idea is pointing pootle to particualar activities versions (frozen), not to trunk | |
| 15:42 | gonzalo | alsroot, mhh |
| 15:42 | alsroot, this will be very difficult to implement | |
| 15:43 | alsroot | gonzalo: but social issues is *much* more difficult |
| 15:43 | gonzalo | alsroot, we can call it a "suggested froze" |
| 15:43 | alsroot, we can try | |
| 15:43 | cjl | alsroot That is the artificial distinction between Fructose and Honey we discussed earlier. Fructose does have frozen versions |
| 15:44 | gonzalo | i think we can move from honey to fructose all the activities ac and olpc ship in our images |
| 15:44 | cjl | I'm not sure we want to treat all Honey activities like Fructose |
| 15:44 | gonzalo | we want have a quality control in these activities |
| 15:45 | cjl | gonzalo: yes, ther is an emerging concept of a fructose + as you mention |
| 15:45 | but it is fuzzy and needs wider dioscussion wit hthe community on sugar-devel | |
| 15:45 | gonzalo | cjl, yes, ok, i will send a mail to sugar-devel |
| 15:46 | cjl | alsroot does tah make sense t oyou? |
| 15:46 | gonzalo | now we can continue with other topics |
| 15:46 | cjl | We have a strategy for http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]hind_code_changes |
| 15:46 | we do the manual re-gen of POT and re-commit and update templates in Poolte. | |
| 15:47 | alsroot | gonzalo: but it will be exactly a try to centralized control, eg, if I'm an activity dev and releasing my activitiy every week and, if some people add it to its deployment and having transate.sl.o working only w/ trunk -- deployment will be *very* insistent to stop me releasing weekly versions -- ie, translate.sl.o should be more flexible to process only particular versions (that deployments use) |
| 15:47 | cjl | We have a solution for TamTam (move t oalsroot branch and start over) wit hmigration of strings |
| 15:47 | gonzalo | cjl, if you want i can send you the regenerated pot files |
| 15:48 | cjl | gonzalo: no, I do an "update from VCS", send me the names of activities you regen |
| 15:49 | alsroot: How is tha tdifferent from Fructose? | |
| 15:49 | gonzalo | alsroot, this will add branch management to every activity |
| 15:49 | alsroot | cjl: all people are syaing that Fructose is following exactly centralized releasing model |
| 15:49 | cjl | and Honey will not |
| 15:49 | alsroot | gonzalo: why? particular tech decision might be different.. |
| 15:50 | gonzalo | alsroot, i can't see your point |
| 15:50 | alsroot | eg, having pootle's repos |
| 15:50 | cjl | alsroot w ear egenuinely not trying to inhibit developer's reedom here. |
| 15:51 | gonzalo | cjl, then i must regen the pot files in the pootle server, right? |
| 15:51 | alsroot | cjl: yup, I'm saying exactly for the same, but in my mind having not-trunk transation on pootle is exactly the way to let peopel free to code and have (some versions) pretty transalted |
| 15:52 | cjl | gonzalo: just re-gen and commit t o git, I will take care fo Pootle Templates "update from VCS" |
| 15:52 | gonzalo | cjl, ok |
| 15:52 | alsroot | cjl: ie, we will have several stability levels, one for the code and one for transalation status and eg, deployments might choose what exat version to use (both values should be stable) |
| 15:52 | gonzalo | cjl, i will try work with Gary in Calculate and Moon |
| 15:53 | cjl | alsroot: except we would enforce tah every activity developer has a trunk and a non-trunk branch. |
| 15:53 | gonzalo | alsroot, the perfect is the enemy of the good :) |
| 15:53 | alsroot, if we do this very difficult to follow, never will be implemented | |
| 15:54 | alsroot | cjl: i got me wrong, my idea is exaclty to give activity devs free to play, and move a tech stuff to translate.sl.o side (including managing code related to i18n) |
| 15:54 | cjl | alsroot I think we need t otake the discussion ot long-fomr on sugar-devel. |
| 15:54 | alsroot, collaboration between devs and localizers is inescapable | |
| 15:54 | if it is going to work | |
| 15:55 | alsroot | gonzalo: you got me wrong, in my mind having non consistent state for honey (but good only for fructose) is not a good |
| 15:55 | and trying to force honey devs to follow centralized mode is not only bad, it is really bad | |
| 15:55 | cjl | alsroot I think we need to take the discussion ot long-form on sugar-devel. Chat is too abbreviated |
| 15:56 | We are not trying to force honey devs t ofollow Sugar release chedule, jsut non at it. | |
| 15:56 | gonzalo | alsroot, look at this list http://wiki.laptop.org/go/11.3.0/Activities |
| 15:56 | in fact the developers and less than in the list | |
| 15:56 | cjl | We are not trying to force honey devs to follow Sugar release schedule, just nod at it and say a friendly hello. |
| 15:57 | gonzalo | dirakx is maintaining a lot of the activities |
| 15:57 | dirakx1, can you put your name in the activities you maintain? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/11.3.0/Activities | |
| 15:58 | alsroot, i think we can agree in a schedule useful for us | |
| 15:59 | alsroot, cjl, changing topic, how is the work in tamtam? | |
| 15:59 | are you planning do a release? | |
| 15:59 | cjl | alsroot: I think Gonzalo's point is that we are actually talking about a small group of people all of whom are pretty much invested in seeing activities get into releases |
| 15:59 | dirakx1 | gonzalo: ok |
| 16:00 | cjl | alsroot ahs made every POT tweak I've requested. |
| 16:00 | We may be waiting on Walter t ofinish Toolbars? | |
| 16:01 | Making the TamTam switch will be a big win for L10n (thanks for the i18n work you did alsroot). | |
| 16:02 | It will also close a lot of Poolte issues due to a less-than-perfect migration from d.l.o to git.sj.o | |
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| 16:03 | gonzalo | dirakx1, can http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2694 be closed? |
| 16:03 | cjl | alsroot do you know the status of walter's toolbars for tamTam? |
| 16:04 | alsroot | cjl: if I got it right, it is ready for initial release |
| 16:04 | gonzalo | alsroot, great! |
| 16:05 | dirakx1 | gonzalo: iirc dsd did a re-gen of the pot and the typos are corrected..must check. |
| 16:06 | cjl | gonzalo: Lets leave #2694 open until I have the POT updated in all langs |
| 16:06 | gonzalo | cjl, ok |
| 16:07 | cjl | So let's talk about tamTam switch. I have a strategy for getting the strings migrated. |
| 16:08 | Is there any reason to treat tamTam as anything other than completely separate from tam-tam-branch until it is fully set up in Poolte? | |
| 16:08 | They can both be in Poolte together during the transition. | |
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| 16:09 | cjl | So we are really talking about a completely separate "activity" (that does exactly the same thing, with mostly the same code). |
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| 16:10 | cjl | alsroot: Is Poolte a committer on tamtam |
| 16:10 | alsroot | cjl: maybe just tweaking all .po manually, commit them and create new pootle project from scratch? |
| 16:10 | cjl: yup | |
| 16:10 | cjl | dirakx1 you need to add new tamtam to some .ini file right? |
| 16:11 | dirakx1 | cjl: yes..i need to change the path. |
| 16:12 | cjl | Then I upload the new POT to HoneyTemplates and then langs get "update from templates" t opick up the new PO, tehn I take care of getting the strings migrated. |
| 16:12 | dirakx1 leave them both in for a day or two, | |
| 16:12 | dirakx1 | cjl: o.k |
| 16:13 | cjl: btw what's the status on the armenian issue ? | |
| 16:13 | cjl | dirakx Poolte has no way fo confusing tamtam and tamtam-branch they ar etotally seprate strings |
| 16:13 | dirakx1 | cjl: yep. |
| 16:14 | cjl | I will do the migration of tamTam as fast as possible, then after checking, make old PO fiels go away and commit new Po files. |
| 16:14 | Not sure, what is the current issue with lang-hy? | |
| 16:15 | has a lot going on, having difficulty tracking it all | |
| 16:15 | What happens when you try a lang-hy build | |
| 16:15 | Does anythin gbreak? | |
| 16:16 | dirakx1 | i think gonzalo reported some problems on POTs of hy. |
| 16:18 | gonzalo | dirakx1, yes, but i don remember them now |
| 16:18 | dirakx1 | also there was a commit to VCS links missing.. |
| 16:19 | gonzalo | dirakx1, probably is a link missing too, right? |
| 16:20 | cjl | dirakx1 we will need to run addlangs after you hook up new atmtam and I do the POT stuff |
| 16:20 | dirakx1 | gonzalo: yep.. |
| 16:20 | cjl: will do np. | |
| 16:21 | cjl | reviewing commit links |
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| 16:21 | cjl | lang-hy Honey looks okay |
| 16:22 | no commit links in Fructose at all | |
| 16:22 | or fructose 0.84 | |
| 16:23 | of glucose | |
| 16:23 | dirakx1 does addlangs check thsoe as well? | |
| 16:23 | http://git.sugarlabs.org/pootl[…]dmin/add_langs.py | |
| 16:24 | dirakx1 | cjl nop only honey :(. |
| 16:24 | cjl | create addlangs2 ? |
| 16:25 | change line 24 ? | |
| 16:26 | I think we need to go through '/var/lib/pootle/checkouts' by hand. I suspect we may have some issues there | |
| 16:26 | Just a guess, but that may be the source fo template mangling | |
| 16:27 | Ther are activities tha have good POT in git, but the template keeps getting reset to a single string, even after repeated "upload with overwrite" to templates project | |
| 16:28 | Some of those also give an error on trying a "update from VCS" | |
| 16:29 | hmouse is one example | |
| 16:29 | gogo is another | |
| 16:30 | Gogo git was jsut re-configured to have /po at root level. | |
| 16:31 | dirakx1 | cjl: yes we need to adapt add langs to include all the projects |
| 16:32 | cjl | measure and ruler have no "update from VCS" in Templates |
| 16:32 | dirakx1 g oahead and run add langs now, we'll jsut run again later | |
| 16:32 | I know it is slow as i tis a crawler | |
| 16:33 | dirakx1 | cjl: |
| 16:33 | ok | |
| 16:34 | cjl | Then I'll look at the honey template commit/update links again |
| 16:34 | Well we haven't gotten a whole lot covered, but I think we've made some progress | |
| 16:35 | getting tamtam up will be a big win | |
| 16:37 | I'm thinking we should wrap up for now, but schedule again soon. | |
| 16:37 | unless anyone has anything specific. We can continue via e-mail or jsut keep on hanging out here while we work on stuff and bring up anything that pops up. | |
| 16:38 | gonzalo | cjl, i am sending a mail to Gary now about Calculate /Moon |
| 16:38 | cjl | gonzalo: good ask him to do the same with any of the activities he maintains. Especiallty those on Fructose_git.ods |
| 16:39 | We need erikos t odo it for Glucose | |
| 16:39 | gonzalo | cjl, I don't know what is needed in Paint activity, but I think the problem is because we removed strings |
| 16:39 | cjl | gonzalo: which lang? |
| 16:39 | Armenian? | |
| 16:40 | gonzalo | cjl, i said because http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]Mangled_POT_files |
| 16:40 | cjl | let me try something |
| 16:41 | gonzalo | cjl, but you are right armenian is breaking |
| 16:41 | cjl, the commented lines break | |
| 16:42 | cjl | Are we sur eoficina is pointing at SL version and not dev.l.o version? An update from VCS gives me 66 words intead fo the expected 75 |
| 16:43 | gonzalo | cjl, why you expect 75? |
| 16:45 | cjl | working on it |
| 16:47 | gonzalo | cjl, there are 66 strings here |
| 16:47 | grep msgid po/Paint.pot | awk -F '"' '{ print $2 }' | wc | |
| 16:47 | cjl | do you have my Honey_word_count.ods spreadsheet? |
| 16:48 | I know ther ear e75 word versions of oficina Po in many langs | |
| 16:48 | trying to diif the strings now | |
| 16:49 | gonzalo | cjl, remember we removed many strings... at your request :) |
| 16:50 | cjl | :-S |
| 16:50 | gonzalo | cjl, i need stop now, i will back in one hour, ok? |
| 16:50 | cjl | k |
| 16:50 | I'll be around and I'll look inot oficina in the meantime | |
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| 17:41 | cjl | gonzalo, something is not right. Where is string "Pencil" in the git POT? |
| 17:44 | and "Fonts" | |
| 17:45 | gonzalo | cjl, let me see |
| 17:53 | cjl, hmm, there are not a POTFILES.in file | |
| 17:57 | cjl, | |
| 17:57 | cjl, ok, Fonts in the pot file, and Pencil is not because was commented the code | |
| 17:58 | cjl, Paint does not ave a pencil anymore (was the same as the brush) | |
| 17:59 | cjl | gonzalo: okay, just running through code to confirm for myself that 66 is right and 75 is wrong |
| 17:59 | gonzalo | cjl, ok |
| 17:59 | cjl | Assuming otherwise was my mistake |
| 17:59 | Who ever heard of an actviity losing strings :-) | |
| 18:00 | gonzalo | :) |
| 18:00 | cjl | I did find one thing though (please don't change yet). Ther is Keep Aspect in toolbox and Keep aspect in widgets |
| 18:00 | A vs a | |
| 18:00 | One msore string to lose | |
| 18:02 | So "Stroke Color" went away? | |
| 18:02 | And Text | |
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| 18:03 | cjl | Why is _('Pencil') at line 256 of toolkit |
| 18:04 | doesn't look commented (unlike Points | |
| 18:05 | pencil also defined at line 229 (not commented) | |
| 18:05 | gonzalo: ^^ | |
| 18:09 | Okay, done looking. Don't quite get why pencil isn't commented at lines 229 and 256, but I'm not a coder | |
| 18:09 | gonzalo: Please harmonize "Keep Aspect" and "Keep aspect" and regn the POT, re commit. | |
| 18:12 | gonzalo | cjl, let me see |
| 18:13 | cjl, must i capitalize all? "Keep Aspect"? | |
| 18:14 | cjl | gonzalo: Your choice |
| 18:14 | gonzalo | ok |
| 18:14 | cjl | I would probably go with "Keep aspect ratio" |
| 18:18 | gonzalo | cjl, i pushed "Keep aspect" |
| 18:18 | 64 words now | |
| 18:18 | cjl | cool, I'll pull to templates in Pootle |
| 18:19 | When a few more activties are re generated, I'll update langs from templates | |
| 18:20 | gonzalo | cjl, can you fix the hy problem in Paint? |
| 18:20 | cjl | gonzalo: let me try |
| 18:30 | gonzalo | cjl, I have pushed the Infoslicer pot file |
| 18:35 | cjl | working on paint-hy now |
| 18:53 | gonzalo: Try oficina lang-hy now | |
| 18:53 | from git | |
| 18:53 | I hand-rolled the template update and then needed to back fill some strings. | |
| 18:54 | The translation of stamp may be iffy, but so it goes. | |
| 18:55 | I woudl suggest having one fo the lang-hy localizers review it. I can ask anush if you would like. | |
| 18:55 | For jsut a few strings, it may not be worth worrying about given the lang-hy rush | |
| 19:00 | gonzalo | cjl, works, thanks!!! |
| 19:04 | cjl, about armenian in general, do you need anything from my part? | |
| 19:04 | cjl, do you know if they will use 11.2.0 or 10.3.0? | |
| 19:05 | cjl, do you know if they will use 11.2.0 or 10.1.3? | |
| 19:05 | cjl | gonzalo: ask reuben or martin_xsa |
| 19:05 | gonzalo | ok |
| 19:06 | cjl, but the translations are already commited? i have a mail from Reuben asking to Rubina | |
| 19:09 | cjl | gonzalo: One of the things we really need is a better way of tracking commit status of translations |
| 19:10 | I've offered t oreuben to do it in an emergencey, but I do not like committing langs I cannot read. | |
| 19:11 | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User[…].0_notes1#Action_.235_- | |
| 19:14 | gonzalo: Chances are most of the completed PO files for lang-hy have NOT been committed | |
| 19:15 | but we need a better way of finding out than going to the git repo for each and every PO file and looking at the commits for one that looks right | |
| 19:15 | If Sugar Labs had a commits e-mail list like OLPC, that would be better. | |
| 19:15 | gonzalo | hmm |
| 19:16 | cjl | I understand there is an RSS feed, but I do not use RSS feeds. I have enough to read with what I find, let alone having a robot push stuff at me. |
| 19:16 | gonzalo | yeah |
| 19:16 | cjl | If you have a robot t oread the RSS feed, Imight be interested :-) |
| 19:16 | gonzalo | i will try do a little script here to check translated strings |
| 19:17 | cjl | What I want is a dashboard |
| 19:17 | We had one once upon a time. It was a sayamindu hack to Poolte, but it went away. | |
| 19:17 | gonzalo | cjl, we need a way to know if the strings are commited |
| 19:18 | right? | |
| 19:18 | cjl | I would like to find that hack and getit upstreamed. |
| 19:18 | gonzalo: a) Have strings been committed (show check mark), if change since last commit (show X mark). | |
| 19:19 | Two parts. Commit and change since commit | |
| 19:19 | That was the hack Sayamindu had made, although I di not think it was perfect | |
| 19:20 | gonzalo: This was displayed next to list of PO files yo usee when at the project level. | |
| 19:20 | gonzalo | ok |
| 19:20 | cjl, Reuben replied the mail | |
| 19:20 | you are cc | |
| 19:21 | cjl | I'm not sure he had all conditions exactly right |
| 19:21 | .me looks | |
| 19:21 | gonzalo: anush is still working, but maybe I should do a run of commits to have something, even if it needs t obe done again | |
| 19:22 | gonzalo | cjl, good |
| 19:23 | cjl | BTW the commit links are only there for Honey. We need dirakxto modify add_langs.py script to handle other projects too |
| 19:23 | It is always possible to go to Armenian (at project level) and download a zip of the project dir. | |
| 19:23 | If you are doing builds pointing at local copies, that would be good enough | |
| 19:24 | Can't commit etoys | |
| 19:24 | no links | |
| 19:26 | Can't commit fructose, fructose84, glucose, glucose 0.92 | |
| 19:26 | Can commit honey glucose 0.84 and OLPC softwre | |
| 19:28 | gonzalo: dirakx1 look at thsi repo http://git.sugarlabs.org/pootle | |
| 19:29 | especially this commit http://git.sugarlabs.org/pootl[…]cae5a83b3c3bfec40 | |
| 19:31 | gonzalo | cjl, hmm, interesting :) you must send this to Bernie |
| 19:47 | dirakx1 | cjl: yep this could be affected by a prevous upgrade |
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| 20:10 | cjl | dirakx1 this seems to have Pootle 2.0.0 and TT 1.5.0 , but http://translate.sugarlabs.org/about.html says we are running Pootle 2.0.1 and TT 1.7.0 |
| 20:10 | I'm not sure this repo has what we are currently running. | |
| 20:11 | but it does appear t ohave the commit status hack I would like t osee in the upstream | |
| 20:11 | In two commits the one I link above and a follow-up correction commit. | |
| 20:12 | I'm also nto convinved the status hack was perfect. I seem to recall some odd results from it at times (before it went away) | |
| 20:13 | dirakx1 | cjl: is there a ps lang ? |
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| 20:44 | cjl | dirakx1 lang-ps = Pashto |
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| 20:44 | dirakx1 | cjl: thanks. |
| 20:45 | hmm there are some error with a template of that lang :( | |
| 20:45 | cjl | We try t ouse ISO 639-2 unless we need ISO 639-3 |
| 20:46 | dirakx1 templates? | |
| 20:46 | I know they have many printf errors | |
| 20:46 | point me t osomethin gspecific | |
| 20:46 | dirakx1: gonzalo and I fixed a lang-ps problem this morning | |
| 20:47 | dirakx1 | cjl: I'm not able to find the specific error now. |
| 20:47 | cjl: I'll grab it and tell you later. | |
| 20:47 | cjl | dirakx1 I'm not able to find the specific solution now. :-) |
| 20:48 | dirakx1 | cjl: ok np. |
| 20:48 | it just to have it mind | |
| 20:48 | cjl | dirakx1 I know lang-ps has issues |
| 20:49 | I've spoken to Mike Dawson from Paiwastoon and they are apparently gearing uor for a new round of L10n, possibly Ubuntu. he said he would get them to look at Sugar when they get going. | |
| 20:51 | dirakx1 | cjl: interesting. |
| 20:51 | cjl | Both Dari and Pashto need work and the localizers need to be provided by OLPC Afghanistan contacts (or the 101st Airborne Regiment) |
| 20:51 | dirakx1 | we have to solve those issues. |
| 20:51 | cjl | I'm not going over there to find localizers. . . |
| 20:52 | dirakx1 | cjl: :) |
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