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| 13:59 | m_anish | alsroot, yama` , silbe , jvonau, dirakx , AC weekly meeting? |
| 13:59 | dirakx | +1 |
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| 13:59 | alsroot | is here |
| 14:00 | christophd | will listen in if it's okay |
| 14:00 | m_anish | christophd, np :-) , starting in a minute |
| 14:01 | hmm, silbe , icarito, don't seem to be around, anyway, here goes... | |
| 14:01 | #startmeeting | |
| 14:01 | meeting | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 14:01:52 2011 UTC. The chair is m_anish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 14:02 | m_anish | welcome all :-) |
| 14:02 | silbe | is there, just still busy filling out the CP form :) |
| 14:02 | m_anish | silbe, ah :) |
| 14:02 | silbe | (for the XO-1.75) |
| 14:03 | m_anish | First, lets start with a couple of updates... |
| 14:04 | (1) We settled on the way we'll handle .au support requests. all requests will be sent to supportactivitycentral.com and cced to jvonau yama` and me or rafael. We expect that all AC devs will be subscribed to that list and anybody can answer the queries if they see a solution. |
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| 14:04 | silbe, can you create a private mailing list with that id? | |
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| 14:05 | icarito | hola |
| 14:05 | m_anish | icarito, hi, just started |
| 14:05 | dirakx | icarito: hola. |
| 14:05 | silbe | m_anish: shouldn't we call it support-au, au-support or something like that? |
| 14:06 | icarito | i'm having issues with internet, my wall voltage is I guess at 30% or so atm |
| 14:06 | m_anish | silbe, hmm, yah, I agree |
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| 14:06 | silbe | m_anish: choose a name and I'll create the list. |
| 14:07 | m_anish | silbe, great! i think yama` sent you a list of all email id's from au side that need to be subscribed , also subscribe ALL AC devs |
| 14:08 | icarito_web_just | silbe, m_anish did you think maybe roundup could be a solution? |
| 14:08 | silbe | m_anish: yup, apart from the name I have everything I need. I'll just cascade it with team@. That way we cannot forgot to add someone to the list. |
| 14:08 | icarito_web_just: No, I don't think so. | |
| 14:08 | icarito_web_just | http://roundup.sourceforge.net/docs/features.html |
| 14:08 | m_anish | silbe, ok |
| 14:08 | silbe | (overhead etc.) |
| 14:08 | dirakx | m_anish: silbe my opinion is that for simplicity we should name only support, plus the idea is to have all @team there. |
| 14:09 | m_anish | icarito_web_just, the mailing list soln, everybody's happy with :) |
| 14:10 | silbe | dirakx: there are not just AC devs on it, but also OLPC-AU members. If we get contracted by a different deployment, we probably wouldn't want OLPC-AU to get all the support mails, but rather just their own ones. |
| 14:10 | m_anish | silbe, dirakx i'm ok with either, we might need separate lists if we were to provide these services to more deployments in the future |
| 14:11 | dirakx | silbe: hmm right. |
| 14:11 | ok better support-au then. | |
| 14:11 | silbe | m_anish: separating the lists is easy, just a few lines of config. Changing the name is much harder because it needs to be changed on a lot of systems and heads. |
| 14:12 | m_anish | silbe, ok, in that case, lets go with support-auactivitycentral.com as per dirakx suggestion |
| 14:13 | silbe | it might turn out that I need to duplicate the memberships right away if Mailman doesn't play nice, but I'll see that once I try. |
| 14:13 | m_anish: ok | |
| 14:13 | icarito_web_just | +1 |
| 14:13 | dirakx | +1. |
| 14:13 | m_anish | (although , au-support will be better in terms of text-autocomplete) ;-) |
| 14:13 | silbe | #action silbe to create ML support-au@ with team@ + OLPC-AU members listed in yama`s email |
| 14:14 | m_anish | ok, i'll leave silbe to chose :) |
| 14:14 | icarito_web_just | i still think a solution like roundup could help with these workflows |
| 14:15 | silbe | icarito_web_just: I'm wary of throwing another web service at it. If we have trouble doing it by email, we might look at possible tools, but for now it just increases the overhead of a) the people responding to support requests and b) the infra team. |
| 14:16 | m_anish | next (2) me, rafael had a meeting with Daniel (uy) on tuesday, and we settled on basic ticket workflow, which is quite similar to .au . FWIW, they use redmime as well |
| 14:16 | dirakx, do you have anything to add to that? | |
| 14:16 | icarito_web_just | i'm concerned it hurts the ability of non-devs to trace issues |
| 14:16 | silbe | and if we go for a web service, a second instance of Trac might be better than yet another service that needs to be maintained. |
| 14:16 | dirakx | m_anish: nope o.k. |
| 14:17 | icarito_web_just | silbe: sorry to go on with this but roundup is not just a web service but an email management tool like rt and mailman |
| 14:17 | it creates a mailing list per issue acording to rules | |
| 14:17 | silbe | BTW, what's the exact purpose of au-support in comparison with dev.laptop.org.au? |
| 14:17 | icarito_web_just | it just happens to have an ability to trace from the web, like you do with mailman archives |
| 14:18 | only friendlier | |
| 14:18 | dirakx | m_anish: only that we will be having also accounts for our devs also in that redmine. |
| 14:18 | m_anish | dirakx, ahh, could you remind daniel for creating the accounts? |
| 14:18 | dirakx | silbe: au-support will be used by support on-site people of AU. |
| 14:18 | m_anish: sure. :) | |
| 14:18 | silbe | icarito_web_just: of which we already have both and I can't even administer RT. :) |
| 14:19 | icarito_web_just | yes rt is a disaster but roundup is supposed to be meant to replace it |
| 14:20 | ok that was my last push sorry to bog the meeting down | |
| 14:20 | silbe | icarito_web_just: I'm not saying we shouldn't even try it, just that the infra team is already too busy to have set up the OLPC-AU mirror in time. |
| 14:20 | dirakx | #action dirakx to remind daniel about dev accounts creation on UY's readmine. |
| 14:21 | m_anish | icarito_web_just, silbe , for .au atleast we'll be using mailing lists for now (since AU-AC has agreed to that)... we might consider these options for future deployments or when we look at it again in a couple of months |
| 14:21 | silbe | icarito_web_just: and FWIW I don't really like the Roundup web interface either (some other project uses it for issue tracking, though I don't remember which one). |
| 14:21 | icarito | sure whatever works is best :-) |
| 14:21 | silbe | m_anish: +1 |
| 14:22 | dirakx | yep, for now mailing lists are o.k but we should revisit in terms of scalability. |
| 14:22 | silbe | I haven't really understood the difference between the ML and the OLPC-AU bug tracker, though. In which case would you use one or the other? |
| 14:22 | m_anish | silbe, ah! ok, let me explain... |
| 14:23 | silbe, this mailing list is _only_ for support requests/queries from .au team. They just rolled out 10.1.3-au in field and this mailing list is meant to handle support requests for that... | |
| 14:24 | dirakx | +1. |
| 14:24 | m_anish | silbe, for these requests, yama` and jvonau would be having answers, however, if they don't we'd handle them |
| 14:24 | silbe | m_anish: but why not file tickets on dev.laptop.org.au for those requests? Different audience? Reduced overhead? |
| 14:25 | m_anish | silbe, for everything else development wise the .au tracker will be used. |
| 14:25 | silbe | (I'm not suggesting to file tickets for everything, just trying to figure out what to use each channel for) |
| 14:26 | m_anish | silbe, yep, different audience, and reduced overhead. we don't need redmime complexity for answering queries (or that's what we think) :) |
| 14:26 | silbe | m_anish: let's phrase it differently: What's special about the requests that come in via the list? |
| 14:26 | m_anish: ok | |
| 14:26 | m_anish | silbe, so the mailing list would be for support queries w.r.t their 10.1.3-au . they typically won't require us to code anything, or submit any sort of patches etc... |
| 14:27 | silbe, the tracker would be used while developing dx12, fixing bugs/enhancements | |
| 14:27 | silbe | ok, makes sense now, thx! |
| 14:27 | m_anish | silbe, yw :) |
| 14:28 | ok, moving on... | |
| 14:29 | #topic porting, upstreaming and dx3-release | |
| 14:29 | icarito_web_just | thinking maybe we can take advantage of redmine itself https://we.riseup.net/cgdev/us[…]mail-with-redmine |
| 14:30 | m_anish | silbe, I'm looking into the patches you told me to port, also managed to download latest build for xo-1, will let you know how the tests go |
| 14:30 | silbe, any roadblocks or anywhere we could help re: upstreaming. | |
| 14:30 | silbe | m_anish: which patches? I thought I had ported everything to DX3. |
| 14:31 | m_anish: or do you mean distro level patches (e.g. mesh) rather than Sugar? | |
| 14:31 | m_anish | silbe, you had told me a couple.. mesh |
| 14:31 | silbe, yah | |
| 14:31 | silbe | ah, ok. |
| 14:32 | m_anish | #action m_anish ping esteban/uy re: accessibility patches |
| 14:32 | silbe | m_anish: the focus is on releasing DX-3 right now, no upstreaming work. |
| 14:32 | m_anish | #action m_anish port disable-mesh patch |
| 14:33 | silbe, ok | |
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| 14:33 | silbe | It's ok to ping esteban, of course :) |
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| 14:33 | m_anish | :-) |
| 14:34 | silbe | But we've delayed the release for more than a week now, we should really get it finished. |
| 14:34 | m_anish | silbe, yah, agree! |
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| 14:34 | silbe | This release was meant for synchronising with the OLPC schedule. We're not exactly good on that front. :-/ |
| 14:35 | especially considering how few DX3 specific work has been done. | |
| 14:36 | m_anish | silbe, yep, i was offline for a major part of dx-3 (1.5 months), so I couldn't follow the development much |
| 14:36 | silbe | m_anish: no offense meant |
| 14:36 | I'm grateful that you're helping now. | |
| 14:36 | m_anish | silbe, none taken :) |
| 14:38 | silbe | BTW, dirakx have you got around to testing DX3? Found anything yet? |
| 14:39 | #link http://download.sugarlabs.org/[…]rose/testing/dx3/ download location for DX3 builds | |
| 14:39 | dirakx | silbe: not yet..I've been busy on other stuff. but I'm going to test it today. I'll report any issues to you then. |
| 14:39 | silbe: or maybe bug-track it ?. | |
| 14:40 | silbe | #info latest builds are dx3ng024 for XO-1 and dx3ng025 for XO-1.5 |
| 14:41 | dirakx: filing tickets on bugs.sl.o is preferred, but posting to dextrose@ is fine as well. | |
| 14:41 | dirakx | silbe: o.k |
| 14:42 | icarito | silbe: is there a way I can try dx3 sugar branch in my regular system? |
| 14:42 | dirakx | #action dirakx to test dx3 latest build. |
| 14:43 | icarito | do I select a branch in git sugar-jhbuild or something? my connections is weak |
| 14:43 | s/connections/connection/ | |
| 14:44 | silbe | #link https://people.sugarlabs.org/~[…]xtrose/patchsets/ Dextrose 3 patch set tarballs |
| 14:45 | icarito: just import the latest patch set from ^ using git am. It's based on the mainline sucrose-0.92 branches. | |
| 14:45 | icarito_web_just | cool will try it I think I need to update sjhbuild ^ :-) |
| 14:46 | silbe | icarito: you might need to drop a small number of patches that fix differences between the git repo and the release tarballs, but otherwise the patches should apply cleanly. |
| 14:46 | icarito: careful with updating jhbuild, they (upstream=Gnome) broke activity installation and I haven't got around to fix it yet. :-/ | |
| 14:47 | I know roughly what needs to be done, but right now getting DX3 out is my #1 priority. | |
| 14:47 | icarito_web_just | sure, dont let me interfere |
| 14:47 | :-) | |
| 14:48 | silbe | icarito_web_just: you don't :) |
| 14:50 | m_anish | Ok, I don't know if anyone wants to do status updates considering the last meeting wasn't too long ago (sat). If anyone has anything to share or ask, please do. |
| 14:51 | dirakx | is o.k on updates. :). |
| 14:51 | icarito | no, still same, working on bugs by au and adding collaboration to websdk tunnelling http over stream tubes |
| 14:52 | found an example of tunnelling ssh with share-term by ben shwartz so now i'm stealing that implementation | |
| 14:52 | share-term-activity transparently shares a terminal session using ssh and screen | |
| 14:52 | s/stealing/being inspired by/g | |
| 14:53 | silbe | still needs to try ShareTerm :-/ |
| 14:53 | dirakx | icarito: btw don't forget to track your time in redmine for whaterver action you made regarding bugs. |
| 14:53 | m_anish | hasn't heard of ShareTerm before :/ |
| 14:54 | icarito | dirakx: ok its best to do it in redmine, otherwise its doing tracking twice |
| 14:54 | dirakx | icarito +1. |
| 14:56 | m_anish | ok, closing in 3... |
| 14:56 | 2.. | |
| 14:56 | 1. | |
| 14:57 | #endmeeting | |
| 14:57 | meeting | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 14:57:00 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:57 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-27T14:01:52.html | |
| 14:57 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-07-27T14:01:52 | |
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| 14:57 | m_anish | silbe, dirakx icarito thanks :) |
| 14:57 | dirakx | m_anish: thanks :). |
| 14:57 | alsroot | icarito: "tunnelling http over stream tubes", sorry but it sounds to me too overkill.. |
| 14:57 | silbe | icarito: can you give a link to shareterm? It doesn't seem to be on a.sl.o :( |
| 14:57 | m_anish | alsroot, christophd thanks foe being around :) |
| 14:58 | alsroot | icarito: in particular, it sounds to me like a misusing |
| 14:58 | christophd | m_anish: yeah, will try to attend more meetings to get a better feel for the challenges you face and work on :) |
| 14:58 | m_anish: btw, today it's 25 degrees around here so I'm sooooo happy ;-D | |
| 14:59 | m_anish | christophd, haha |
| 14:59 | icarito | http://git.sugarlabs.org/shareterm |
| 14:59 | #link http://git.sugarlabs.org/shareterm | |
| 14:59 | satellit_ is now known as satellit_afk | |
| 14:59 | icarito | found a page about it somewhere |
| 14:59 | silbe | christophd: :-P (it's raining here) |
| 14:59 | icarito: thx! | |
| 15:00 | icarito | #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]9-May/014165.html |
| 15:00 | hates to reinvent the wheel | |
| 15:00 | how does one track the time spend digging that up :-) | |
| 15:01 | silbe | icarito: "overhead" ;) |
| 15:01 | christophd | silbe: we had rain most of the past 7 days or so. and I was so cranky because of it... |
| 15:02 | m_anish | alsroot, silbe are you available before 1230UTC or after 1600UTC on this friday for a meeting with pablo? |
| 15:02 | christophd | silbe: btw, you coming to Sugar Camp in Paris? |
| 15:03 | silbe | christophd: I have day light lamps too prevent me from getting too cranky, but I still notice a difference. Besides, I need to go shopping in an hour, the fridge is nearly empty. :-/ |
| 15:04 | alsroot | m_anish: fine for me |
| 15:04 | silbe | christophd: not sure yet as walterbender isn't coming. We're planning to do a real-life Design Team meeting this year and that meeting has priority. |
| 15:04 | christophd | silbe: day light lamp sounds like a good investment this ummer! |
| 15:04 | silbe: walter isn't coming? that's a pity, he would have been a good motivation for others to come I think | |
| 15:04 | silbe | christophd: However given the current pace of the Design Team that will probably be in autumn or winter, so I might still come to Paris. I won't join the Berlin hack fest, though. |
| 15:05 | christophd | silbe: which Berlin hack fest? CCC Camp you mean or what? |
| 15:05 | silbe | christophd: he has to append a personal (happy) "event" at the same time. |
| 15:05 | christophd: Gnome gobject-introspection hack fest | |
| 15:05 | christophd | silbe: ah, okay |
| 15:06 | silbe | christophd: I originally bought the lamps in winter, but this summer I'm using them a lot as well. :-/ |
| 15:06 | christophd | silbe: well, in any case it would be good to have you in Parus |
| 15:06 | silbe: yeah, it's a truly miserable summer atm | |
| 15:06 | dirakx | icarito: btw have you manage to see the ''concepto acerca de actividades'' that i sent you ?. |
| 15:07 | m_anish | alsroot, ok |
| 15:07 | icarito | dirakx: i havent managed to respond but briefly i havent tested either remote show activities and I dont think there's anything like the time limitating police activity |
| 15:07 | and i'm not sure I'd like to implement something like that | |
| 15:08 | silbe | christophd: I've at least marked it in my calendar. Need to find a place to stay first... |
| 15:09 | dirakx | icarito agree about not implementing but can be a requeriment for teachers in some deployments. |
| 15:09 | icarito | dirakx: i was about to respond this morning when thunderbird reminded me about this meeting |
| 15:09 | dirakx | icarito can you help me in testing show and tell or similar activities to see wich of those are in better shape ?. |
| 15:09 | christophd | silbe: yeah, talked with bastien and sean about accomodation, they said they'd get back to me later this week. unfortunately sean's flat isn#t available for urban camping anymore |
| 15:10 | dirakx | icarito np ;). |
| 15:10 | icarito | ok will try with classmate |
| 15:10 | dirakx is now known as dirakx_afk | |
| 15:12 | silbe | christophd: please keep me posted. Maybe we can rent and share some large apartment (Ferienwohnung). |
| 15:16 | christophd | silbe: yeah, I was also thinking about something along these lines |
| 15:16 | silbe: let's keep in touch about this! | |
| 15:17 | icarito | toll |
| 15:17 | :-P | |
| 15:18 | christophd | icarito: hehe |
| 15:19 | anyway, gotta head out. take care everyone and speak soon | |
| 15:19 | oh, and don't forget to send me your mug shots for the people page if you haven't done so already;-) | |
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| 15:21 | silbe | christophd: you can take a shot of me in Paris ;) |
| 15:21 | christophd: have fun & cu! | |
| 15:21 | christophd | silbe: I have one from last year but it's not that, ahhh, "friendly" ;) |
| 15:22 | silbe | christophd: there might not be a better one :) |
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| 15:22 | christophd | silbe: challenge accepted! |
| 15:22 | ciao | |
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| 18:58 | gonzalo | garycmartin, dirakx, walterbender, cjl, ready to start? |
| 18:58 | garycmartin | gonzalo: Hiya. Yea, ready here. |
| 18:58 | cjl | yep |
| 19:00 | gonzalo | can we wait 5 minutes by dirakx, and manuq? |
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| 19:00 | cjl | yep |
| 19:00 | garycmartin | gonzalo: sure, no problem. |
| 19:01 | manuq | hi! |
| 19:01 | gonzalo | nello manuq! |
| 19:01 | hello | |
| 19:01 | dirakx | hello |
| 19:01 | walterbender | hi |
| 19:01 | dirakx | thanks for waiting |
| 19:01 | garycmartin | manuq: hi! |
| 19:01 | manuq | hello gonzalo, dirakx, walterbender! |
| 19:01 | and hello garycmartin | |
| 19:02 | dirakx | hello manuq |
| 19:02 | manuq | did you started already? |
| 19:02 | gonzalo | waiting for you :) |
| 19:02 | hello dirakx! | |
| 19:02 | manuq | am I late? sorry |
| 19:02 | gonzalo | ok, i think we can start |
| 19:02 | cjl | Is alsroot around? |
| 19:03 | gonzalo | dirakx, do you know if sebastian plan attend? |
| 19:03 | dirakx | gonzalo: he seems that is not attending. |
| 19:04 | let me try ping him by email. | |
| 19:04 | walterbender | is there an agenda? |
| 19:04 | can I add an item? | |
| 19:04 | gonzalo | walterbender, no agenda yet, please start |
| 19:05 | walterbender | is looking for a better plugin strategy... but it is a minor issue perhaps |
| 19:05 | gonzalo and/or dirakx: wanna #startmeeting? | |
| 19:05 | gonzalo | yes, please |
| 19:06 | dirakx | +1. |
| 19:06 | walterbender | one of you want to be the chair? |
| 19:07 | gonzalo | walterbender, can you be the cahir this time? |
| 19:07 | dirakx | gonzalo: would you do the honors ? |
| 19:07 | hmm ok. | |
| 19:07 | walterbender | #startmeeting |
| 19:07 | meeting | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 19:07:37 2011 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:07 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 19:07 | walterbender | well all... |
| 19:08 | garycmartin | A good turn out :) |
| 19:08 | walterbender | gonzalo and dirakx: any words of wisdom to begin? |
| 19:08 | gonzalo | ok, i think we can start with the agenda |
| 19:09 | if you agree | |
| 19:09 | dirakx | sure. |
| 19:09 | manuq | sure |
| 19:09 | gonzalo | ok, i don't know if you read http://wiki.laptop.org/go/11.3.0/Release_plan |
| 19:09 | cjl | did |
| 19:09 | manuq | too |
| 19:09 | gonzalo | we have a very short window (one month) to do interesting and funny stuff |
| 19:10 | cjl | likes added attention to L10n coordination |
| 19:10 | garycmartin | skims it now quick. |
| 19:10 | walterbender | #topic 11.30.0 |
| 19:10 | dirakx | just reading it. |
| 19:10 | gonzalo | later we will be fighting with ARM and stabilization issues |
| 19:11 | walterbender | gonzalo: are we aiming for things like the edit toolbar fix landing? and removal of Keep? |
| 19:11 | gonzalo | walterbender: yes |
| 19:11 | garycmartin | likely will need help with Physics to get the .so blob bits working on ARM. |
| 19:12 | walterbender | will need to get the mic input working for Measure and Turtle Blocks |
| 19:12 | gonzalo | walterbender: and maybe robots libraries |
| 19:12 | i want push a little the content we include in our build too | |
| 19:13 | cjl | would like to see the alsroot TamTam branch migration occur to fix a big thorn in the localizer's side. |
| 19:13 | gonzalo | and i think cjl is in the same page |
| 19:13 | garycmartin | has a BIOLOID (robot) if that can help with testing. |
| 19:13 | walterbender | gonzalo: what content is under consideration? |
| 19:13 | cjl | gonzalo: yes |
| 19:13 | gonzalo | for example all the content bundles are a little old |
| 19:13 | and also the font selection is not very good | |
| 19:14 | walterbender | gonzalo: what do we ship these days beyond the wiki snapshots? |
| 19:14 | cjl | I have a pounchlist fo L10n issues that would be nice to address, some will require Activity maintainer help. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Cjl/Honey_notes |
| 19:14 | dirakx | cjl: btw, I think now pootle is pointing to the old tamtam branch.(and is presenting failures to commit). |
| 19:14 | garycmartin | wishes we had solved the web view for activities so that all content could be migrated to Activities, rather than a hidden libraries directory. |
| 19:15 | gonzalo | ok, we have a lot of interesting topics here, may be we can stop and talk about them |
| 19:15 | walterbender | cjl: I can help with a few of those... |
| 19:16 | garycmartin | gonzalo: any chance we can get the Memorize UI fixed up? |
| 19:16 | manuq | garycmartin: I would like to help with it |
| 19:16 | gonzalo | garycmartin, yes, manuq will work on this |
| 19:16 | cjl | gonzalo: +1 Good to have a flood of ideas on table, now to focus one-by-one |
| 19:16 | walterbender | shall we talk about toolbars first? |
| 19:17 | manuq | OK! I have a list of activities that need care in the toolbars: |
| 19:17 | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Manuq/11.3.0 | |
| 19:17 | garycmartin | manuq: cool. |
| 19:17 | manuq | in some, like memorize, work has been started already |
| 19:18 | walterbender | I was wondering as well if we every decided on the icons for uploading and saving to the Journal, the gear vs the spanner vs some other icon for modifications, etc. |
| 19:18 | cjl | manuq: Please make sure that toolbar work on tamTam takes place in new alsroot bracnch that combines the PO files. |
| 19:18 | garycmartin | manuq: FWIW: I think some of the Record toolbar work can help finish of the Memorize needs. |
| 19:18 | walterbender | I feel like my use of icons is very inconsistent across the various activities I maintain |
| 19:19 | manuq | garycmartin: that's cool |
| 19:19 | walterbender | love to clean them all up for 11.3.0 |
| 19:19 | manuq | cjl: sure, will do |
| 19:19 | gonzalo | we need update http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]am/ToolbarCatalog |
| 19:20 | walterbender | gonzalo: that is a catalog of where we are, not where we want to be |
| 19:20 | gonzalo | i have a plan! :) |
| 19:20 | garycmartin | walterbender: "decided on the icons" well I think we got close on some of those icons via the ML. Will need to go dig later. |
| 19:20 | walterbender | maybe it is the subject of the design team, but finalizing all the outstanding icon issues would be a real win for 11.3.0 |
| 19:20 | cjl | Tag that for follow-up? |
| 19:21 | manuq | walterbender: yes, it would be great |
| 19:21 | dirakx | manuq: iirc correctly words has the new toolbars..TamTam is indeed the hardest to port. |
| 19:21 | walterbender | #action design team to finalize toolbar icon designs |
| 19:21 | gonzalo | i think we can distribute in this meeting the pending activities |
| 19:22 | garycmartin | walterbender: that's one large sack of angry cats, but I'm sure we can solve some. |
| 19:23 | walterbender | garycmartin, manuq: maybe aim for a Sunday meeting? |
| 19:23 | manuq | is being very hard for me to attend sundays |
| 19:23 | garycmartin | walterbender: toolbar icons and nothing else. Yea maybe we can make a dent. |
| 19:23 | walterbender | manuq: please propose another time... |
| 19:23 | garycmartin | manuq: what is a good day for you? |
| 19:23 | walterbender | that works for you and gary |
| 19:24 | manuq | what about wensdays? |
| 19:24 | walterbender | OK with me |
| 19:24 | garycmartin | manuq: sure Wednesdays should be fine. What time? |
| 19:25 | manuq | s/wensdays/wednesday |
| 19:25 | I can in any time, now you decide :) | |
| 19:25 | gonzalo | i think if is earlier, simon can be present |
| 19:25 | garycmartin | Same as usual design meeting 16:00 utc |
| 19:25 | manuq | great for me! |
| 19:26 | walterbender | garycmartin: OK. learning meeting is at 14:00 utc so that is perfect |
| 19:26 | garycmartin | 15:00 utc if that's better for Simon? |
| 19:26 | OK lets go with 16:00 UTC. I'll email the ML and see where we get to. | |
| 19:26 | manuq | is sorry for changing the historically design meeting day |
| 19:27 | walterbender | 15 is OK. Just not 14 |
| 19:27 | gonzalo | manuq, i think a weekly day will be better |
| 19:27 | walterbender | OK... what is next? |
| 19:27 | garycmartin | manuq: as long as you understand, if you break it, you fix it ;-) |
| 19:27 | cjl | tag it with an action |
| 19:28 | manuq | good! we'll need fast feedback for getting the toolbars done |
| 19:28 | walterbender | #action design team will meet on Wednesdays |
| 19:28 | gonzalo | # action 16hs UTC |
| 19:28 | walterbender | #action 16UTC |
| 19:28 | gonzalo | good :) |
| 19:29 | may be we can have the ToolbarCatalog updated for the next meeting? | |
| 19:29 | any volunteer? | |
| 19:29 | manuq | I volunteer |
| 19:30 | #action manuq qill update the ToolbarCatalog in sugarlab's wiki for next design meeting | |
| 19:31 | gonzalo | ok, can we look at the list of activities with old toolbars and distribute them? |
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| 19:31 | manuq | oos, typo |
| 19:31 | walterbender | manuq: np |
| 19:31 | garycmartin | gonzalo: are there any activities we/deployments are bundling that are not on that catalog page? It was really to try and see we were covering the common cases first. |
| 19:31 | walterbender | gonzalo: is that manuq's list? |
| 19:31 | gonzalo | walterbender: yes |
| 19:32 | and the list of activities in 11.2.0 is here http://wiki.laptop.org/go/11.2.0/Activities | |
| 19:33 | cjl | see also http://download.laptop.org/xo-[…]74.activities.txt |
| 19:33 | garycmartin | gonzalo: That list is for XO 1.5, for XO 1 they killed some of that stuff (Physics :() |
| 19:33 | walterbender | seems like tamtam is the big one... I can help with that as I have done some CSound hacking |
| 19:33 | manuq | walterbender: good! |
| 19:33 | dirakx | walterbender: a little help with Tamtam is mostly welcomed. :). |
| 19:34 | manuq | I have to learn the tamtam suit first |
| 19:34 | cjl | walter alsroot has been working on a branch to combine into single POT |
| 19:34 | dirakx | s/mostly/very |
| 19:34 | walterbender | manuq: it was an early activity, so it is a bit out of date in some of its approaches |
| 19:35 | cjl | TamTam is the source of amhy Poolte issues (bad migration from d.l.o) |
| 19:35 | tch has left #sugar-meeting | |
| 19:35 | cjl | A freshj start would be welcome |
| 19:35 | manuq | cjl: I'll add that info in my list |
| 19:35 | walterbender | cjl: I don't think a fresh start will be debuggable in time for 11.3.0 |
| 19:36 | gonzalo | walterbender,cjl, dirakx,manuq, may be TamTam is a topic to talk |
| 19:36 | garycmartin | manuq: TamTam also used to be one single big activity with an equally large/deep UI, but was sliced up to slim each down. Unforunately the source code shows it's old history with lots of duplication and odd choices. |
| 19:36 | walterbender | cjl: but I agree, it would be worthwhile |
| 19:36 | cjl | walterbender: Not a compleyely fresh start, jsut a fresh POT |
| 19:36 | walterbender | maybe Step One is to check in with alsroot... |
| 19:37 | cjl | walterbender: +1 |
| 19:37 | walterbender | #action ping alsroot re his tamtam branch |
| 19:37 | dirakx: are you working on tamtam too? | |
| 19:37 | dirakx | walterbender: yeah..i'm a contributor. |
| 19:38 | walterbender: anyway we will need an ''offcial'' maintainer. | |
| 19:38 | gonzalo | a problem we have with tamtam, is we have a few contributors, but no one maintainer |
| 19:38 | dirakx | gonzalo: +1. |
| 19:38 | walterbender | dirakx: when was the last time someone tried contacting Jean Piche? |
| 19:39 | dirakx | walterbender: wow..no idea. maybe aleksey has better info on that. |
| 19:39 | gonzalo | who is Jean Piche? |
| 19:39 | walterbender | gonzalo: the leader of the team that created tamtam |
| 19:39 | gonzalo: a friend from Montreal | |
| 19:39 | gonzalo | ohh |
| 19:40 | is possible contact him? | |
| 19:40 | walterbender | gonzalo: I don't see why not |
| 19:40 | FWIW, I am meeting with Barry Vercoe next month to go over some other CSound issues | |
| 19:41 | #info Barry wrote CSound | |
| 19:41 | cjl | I volunteer to work with anyone on the pomigrate of existing L10n to new unified POT for TamTam |
| 19:41 | walterbender | cjl: have you spoken with Roger aboud i18n for GoGo? |
| 19:41 | cjl | walterbender: no |
| 19:42 | dmoc is listed as owner of http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2929 | |
| 19:42 | gonzalo | walterbender, do you know if csound works in arm? |
| 19:42 | walterbender | cjl: I can put you in contact |
| 19:43 | cjl | walterbender: great |
| 19:43 | Something odd happened with GoGo, ther was a POT at one point, but now it has gone away. | |
| 19:43 | dirakx | cjl: is this on the git code or just on pootle ?. |
| 19:44 | cjl | At leasy no longer in git /po we have POT in Poolte, but that situation is causing synch issues |
| 19:44 | walterbender | cjl: there is POT file with v2 |
| 19:44 | cjl | May be a versiojning issue with Poolte |
| 19:45 | Not really sure, probably needs collab with activity maintainer to resolve | |
| 19:45 | dirakx | odd. |
| 19:46 | cjl | no POT here http://git.sugarlabs.org/gogo/[…]o/trees/master/po |
| 19:46 | gonzalo | dirakx, cjl, maybe we can agree in another day to work together in pootle server |
| 19:46 | dirakx | sure. |
| 19:46 | cjl | gonzalo: Sure |
| 19:46 | One last L10n issue t oraise, promoting i18n of ASLO submissions | |
| 19:46 | walterbender | cjl: there is a POT file, but not where you were looking |
| 19:47 | http://git.sugarlabs.org/gogo/[…]ivity/po/GoGo.pot | |
| 19:47 | cjl | walterbender: That is wher ePoolte looks, so that may be the problem |
| 19:47 | That is probably the issue | |
| 19:47 | manuq | so, maybe we can distribute the work on new toolbars |
| 19:47 | gonzalo | manuq +1 |
| 19:47 | walterbender | manuq: we are off-loading tamtam... |
| 19:47 | manuq | a while ago I started working on finance and jukebox |
| 19:48 | walterbender: yeah | |
| 19:48 | walterbender | I thought we already did Memorize |
| 19:48 | gonzalo | walterbender: no yet |
| 19:48 | garycmartin | walterbender: very close but it stalled. |
| 19:48 | manuq | garycmartin: what's the current status of memorize? |
| 19:49 | I remember a thing that simon didn't like | |
| 19:49 | garycmartin | manuq: Talk to you Wednesday 16:00 utc about it :-) |
| 19:49 | manuq | ok! |
| 19:49 | walterbender | who is the maintainer of Words? |
| 19:49 | cjb? | |
| 19:50 | gonzalo | dirakx? |
| 19:50 | garycmartin | manuq: Very close, some interesting design issues, Record design work will help. One or two bumps to resolve. |
| 19:50 | dirakx | yep. |
| 19:50 | manuq | garycmartin: good |
| 19:50 | dirakx | garycmartin: about memorize it would be nice to use the update speak onto it. |
| 19:50 | updated* | |
| 19:50 | walterbender: gonzalo someone has pathces for it ?. | |
| 19:51 | garycmartin | dirakx: yea I saw that thread (was fighting Clock speech at the time). |
| 19:51 | dirakx | garycmartin: np. |
| 19:51 | walterbender | speaking of which, so we have a list of the binaries in the various activities that we'll need to look at for ARM? |
| 19:51 | gonzalo | dirakx, i don't so |
| 19:51 | dirakx | walterbender: +1. |
| 19:51 | gonzalo | walterbender: yes, please finish with toolbar firest |
| 19:51 | first | |
| 19:51 | cjl | It would be nice if th3 espeak containing / calling activities didn't need a separate language lsit. If they coudl get smart about glibc locale |
| 19:52 | gonzalo | hey guys, can we finish with toolbars? |
| 19:52 | :) | |
| 19:52 | dirakx | #action dirakx to review words on new toolbars status. |
| 19:52 | gonzalo | Help activity is already finished |
| 19:53 | garycmartin | gonzalo: another reason we would do well to have a (stable) Sugar web view for activities. |
| 19:53 | manuq | gonzalo: yes, I'm updating the wiki |
| 19:54 | gonzalo | garycmartin: gtk3 ? :) |
| 19:54 | garycmartin: or are you talking about anything more? | |
| 19:54 | walterbender | gonzalo: a topic for Berlin next month |
| 19:54 | garycmartin | gonzalo: "tomorrow, tomorrow, always tomorrow!" ;-) |
| 19:54 | dirakx | :) |
| 19:54 | walterbender | garycmartin: maybe not so far into the future... |
| 19:55 | garycmartin: rgs and I have most of hippo removed... that was Step One | |
| 19:55 | gonzalo | ok, if walterbender will work in TamTam* toolbars |
| 19:56 | pending are Memorize, Finance and Jukebox | |
| 19:56 | Words is for dirakxand Help is ready | |
| 19:56 | walterbender | "What was I thinking?" :P |
| 19:56 | garycmartin | walterbender: webkit vs mozilla. that's the politics I've felt has always stalled out this web view goal and let us in limbo. |
| 19:57 | walterbender | garycmartin: OK... that is a separate discussion. |
| 19:57 | garycmartin | lol |
| 19:57 | gonzalo | yeah |
| 19:57 | dirakx | garycmartin: agree. |
| 19:57 | cjl | Re Help activity, any chance of getting it set up for i18n / L10n ? |
| 19:58 | gonzalo | cjl, I think Help must be a content bundle or a epub book |
| 19:58 | cjl | I've heard from people like Beth Santos (Sao Tome) that they really wanted it. It woudl help smaller deployments a lot. |
| 19:58 | gonzalo: Yes, it is basically the XO FLOSSmanual | |
| 19:58 | manuq | I was working in Finance and Jukebox toolbars |
| 19:59 | gonzalo | manuq, then may be i can take Memorize |
| 19:59 | dirakx | gonzalo: also it can be modified to make somethink like turtle typing lessons does. |
| 20:00 | manuq | gonzalo: good! |
| 20:00 | gonzalo | dirakx, help? |
| 20:00 | dirakx | gonzalo: yes. |
| 20:00 | gonzalo | dirakx, yes but does not scale |
| 20:00 | dirakx | truth. |
| 20:00 | gonzalo | people, i think we can finish with toolbars topic |
| 20:00 | do you agree? | |
| 20:01 | dirakx | +1 |
| 20:01 | walterbender | on to binaries? |
| 20:02 | garycmartin | hides behind the sofa |
| 20:02 | gonzalo | and walterbender, if you see you do not have time to finish tamtam, tell me, i can help |
| 20:02 | cjl | notes we are coming up on 60 minutes from start. |
| 20:02 | gonzalo | garymartin, no so fast |
| 20:02 | walterbender | gonzalo: won't know until after I speak with alsroot |
| 20:02 | gonzalo | ok |
| 20:02 | walterbender | gonzalo: I'll need some manuq help on icons |
| 20:02 | manuq | garycmartin: simon said to me that he would like to get Copy To functionality in 11.3.0 |
| 20:03 | walterbender: of course! | |
| 20:03 | gonzalo | manuq, yes he has already started |
| 20:03 | garycmartin | walterbender: will obviously help with tam-tam toolbar design items. |
| 20:03 | walterbender | I'd love to see write to journal anytime in 11.3.0 too :P |
| 20:03 | garycmartin | walterbender: +1! |
| 20:04 | gonzalo | ha ha |
| 20:04 | ok, can we start with binaries? :) | |
| 20:04 | walterbender | if keep goes away we have room for a new icon :) |
| 20:04 | gonzalo: do we have a list of activities with .so files? | |
| 20:04 | gonzalo | hmm, let me see |
| 20:04 | manuq | walterbender: I would like to see Edit source in the near time |
| 20:05 | garycmartin | raises his hand, Physics. Bridge (same issue). |
| 20:05 | walterbender | manuq: I'd like $HOME/Documents too |
| 20:05 | gonzalo | walterbender: (Paint, Wikipedia, TamTam*, Browse (mozplugger?), Pippy (box2d?)) |
| 20:06 | garycmartin: i have a question for you (and may be to dirakx too) | |
| 20:06 | walterbender | gonzalo: and lots of non-critical activities |
| 20:06 | garycmartin | gonzalo: sure |
| 20:06 | gonzalo | in physics is included the egg for box2d but in the .so |
| 20:07 | what is the best alternative for our work to ARM support? | |
| 20:08 | garycmartin | gonzalo: See That's just what I was going to ask you! |
| 20:08 | gonzalo | walterbender: yes i do not a have the full list |
| 20:08 | dirakx, walterbender: any idea? | |
| 20:08 | ^^ | |
| 20:09 | garycmartin | gonzalo: Brian Jordan, (one of the the original authors) did the last pass on that for us (folks working on physics). I need to get my head around the workflow he used to solve that one. |
| 20:09 | walterbender | gonzalo: no idea |
| 20:09 | dirakx | gonzalo: can we get some 1.75 B1 trough CP ? |
| 20:09 | just a though. | |
| 20:09 | walterbender | dirakx: yes... fill out the form! |
| 20:10 | gonzalo | dirakx: of course! |
| 20:10 | dirakx | walterbender: ok :). |
| 20:10 | walterbender | we should get on to alsroot |
| 20:10 | ^on^one | |
| 20:10 | cjl | dirakx and make the arguemtn to martin_xsa on OLPC-devel |
| 20:10 | dirakx | walterbender: +1. |
| 20:11 | That should help us on the ARM porting. | |
| 20:11 | garycmartin | gonzalo: For a long time I've thought that box2d, and sugargame (olpc game prior to that) should be in sugar spec so activities don't need to include them, but it's not clear who would take that decision (and it doesn't solve existing use needs). |
| 20:11 | cjl | If the case is made clearly about the wide impact across multipel activities fo importance, I think it will be a successful request. |
| 20:12 | gonzalo | garycmartin: i agree |
| 20:12 | i do not have very clear what is the state of sugargame/olpcgame | |
| 20:12 | is this packaged? | |
| 20:13 | dirakx | gonzalo: not actively maintained. anyway maze has a patched version that supports backporting of toolbars. |
| 20:13 | of olpcgames that is. | |
| 20:13 | gonzalo | dirakx, but then we have different versions in every activity :/ |
| 20:14 | dirakx | yes :/ |
| 20:14 | garycmartin | gonzalo: sugar game is (I think) a saner, cleaner, simple way one building pygame based activities. Unfortunately Physics, Bridge (and a bunch of others) were all build in olpcgame. I still need to port over Physics (fairly high up my todo list). |
| 20:14 | walterbender | dirakx: and for some reason, there is a hippo connection to olpcgame :( |
| 20:15 | dirakx | walterbender: ugh, |
| 20:15 | garycmartin: agree with that. sugargame is better. | |
| 20:15 | garycmartin | walterbender: I just hate the dual threads. all kinds of weird work arounds needed, and some strange hard to debug crashes. |
| 20:16 | (work arounds related to gtk+ and threads) | |
| 20:16 | gonzalo | sugargame is only binding or have binaries too? |
| 20:16 | dirakx | we need a maintainer for sugargames. |
| 20:17 | and as garycmartin says port all the activities that use pygame to sugargames instead of olpcgames. | |
| 20:17 | garycmartin | gonzalo: good question. pass. Just bindings I think, but I didn't go digging. |
| 20:18 | gonzalo: http://git.sugarlabs.org/sugargame | |
| 20:19 | gonzalo: just bindings. | |
| 20:19 | gonzalo | and olpcgame have pygame binaries or use the packaged binaries? |
| 20:21 | dirakx | gonzalo: it uses the packaged binaries. AIUI. |
| 20:21 | garycmartin | gonzalo: olpcgame assumes pygame is already installed as part of the distro (that caused quite a few SoaS and Fedora feedback as pygame was not on the dep list last time I looked and sugar desktop packages). |
| 20:22 | walterbender | is still waiting for git.sl.o to respond |
| 20:23 | garycmartin | walterbender: yea it's reeeeal slow. |
| 20:24 | manuq | yes |
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| 20:32 | gonzalo | garycmartin: i am not worried about +1MB, but about maintenance |
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| 20:35 | gonzalo | garycmartin: i will try, but i think was abandoned |
| 20:35 | garycmartin | gonzalo: well I'd be all for box2d as a Sugar dep (though still doesn't solve supporting existing deployments). That way it get's built for the HW the build is intended for. |
| 20:36 | gonzalo | then ..... returning to binaries .... |
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| 20:40 | gonzalo | i think are "de facto" dependecies |
| 20:41 | garycmartin | gonzalo: bumpy is still in the builds right? (sorry haven't checked recently) |
| 20:41 | gonzalo | bumpy? |
| 20:41 | walterbender | do you mean numpy? |
| 20:41 | garycmartin | bumpy lol, bumpy. Please curse the Apple Lion god of autocomplete! |
| 20:42 | arch, and again, numpy!!! | |
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| 20:42 | walterbender | hmm. I recall numpy going away... |
| 20:43 | gonzalo | i can do import numpy |
| 20:43 | walterbender | looks in Measure and TA |
| 20:43 | alsroot | dirakx: walterbender: "anyway we will need an ''offcial'' maintainer." I guess there is a misunderstanding :), we have even 4 maints but we don't have active devs (to think/implement new features) |
| 20:44 | gonzalo | hi alsroot, are you talking about tamtam? |
| 20:45 | dirakx | alsroot: so we need more work on development. ok great. |
| 20:45 | walterbender | garycmartin: Measure still used numpy |
| 20:45 | garycmartin | gonzalo: fab, year just tried here as well. It's still in. Phew! |
| 20:45 | alsroot | gonzalo: yup |
| 20:45 | walterbender | garycmartin: as does the audio-sensor plugin for TA |
| 20:45 | alsroot: have you tried reaching out to the Jean Piche team? | |
| 20:45 | alsroot: in any case, if I work on new toolbars, is there a branch I should start from? | |
| 20:47 | alsroot | walterbender: the Flipo on #sugar is the one from former TamTam team, didn't meet another former devs |
| 20:47 | walterbender: there is http://git.sugarlabs.org/tamtam, it is the new one and we are in the process to migrate to it from http://git.sugarlabs.org/tamtam-branch | |
| 20:47 | walterbender | alsroot: we should reach out to the team at Montreal just to see if there is any interest in staying involved. |
| 20:48 | alsroot: OK. I'll clone from there and start experimenting | |
| 20:49 | alsroot | walterbender: Flipo was talked about his possible meeting w/ some other devs (maybe 10m ago) but, afiak it didn't happen. at least he is not informed me (when I pinged him these days) about new afforts form original devs |
| 20:49 | walterbender | alsroot: I will write to Jean Piche and ask him |
| 20:49 | gonzalo | alsroot, did you already pushed your l10n work? |
| 20:50 | cjl | very happy to see new TamTam bracnh move forward and renews offer to collab on pomigrate of existing L10ns |
| 20:50 | alsroot | gonzalo: the new http://git.sugarlabs.org/tamtam is ready to use on code level. the showstopper is when pootle will use it on regular basis |
| 20:51 | cjl | alsroot: dirakx and gonzalo and Ishould schedule a Poolte meeting sooninsh |
| 20:51 | dirakx | alsroot: i.e pointing pootle to new branch ?. |
| 20:52 | alsroot | dirakx: yup |
| 20:52 | dirakx | alsroot: k. |
| 20:52 | gonzalo | is not better include the work from alsroot in mainline? |
| 20:53 | alsroot | gonzalo: the thing is that the mainline is exactly http://git.sugarlabs.org/tamtam (and former http://git.sugarlabs.org/tamtam-branch) :) |
| 20:53 | at least all recent features were implemented there | |
| 20:54 | gonzalo | alsroot, sorry i am lost, is a new repository or a new branch? |
| 20:54 | dirakx | new repo |
| 20:54 | gonzalo | ok |
| 20:54 | cjl | As long a the POT has different name (e.g. TamTam.pot) I can start doing pomigrate work in preparation for Poolte set-up |
| 20:55 | alsroot | gonzalo: there was http://git.sugarlabs.org/tamtam-branch that was created as a "branch" but since where not any dev efforts (and even bug fixes) on dev.l.o. it started to be main trunk (and now it is http://git.sugarlabs.org/tamtam) |
| 20:55 | walterbender | is cloning |
| 20:55 | gonzalo | alsroot, thanks, i understand now |
| 20:55 | cjl | Where is the unified POT? |
| 20:56 | Ah, TamTamSuite.pot | |
| 20:56 | alsroot | cjl: http://git.sugarlabs.org/tamta[…]o/TamTamSuite.pot |
| 20:56 | cjl | alsroot: Thanks |
| 20:56 | I'll start working on the pomirgate work | |
| 20:56 | garycmartin | is sorry, but needs to dive off in a couple of min. |
| 20:58 | cjl | dirakx Can you add that POT to Poolte? |
| 20:58 | dirakx | cjl sure |
| 20:58 | cjl | We'll need another addlangs run probaably |
| 20:59 | garycmartin | I'll read the rest of meeting log later, thanks all, good to have an Activity meeting after all this time! Night. |
| 20:59 | cjl | bye garycmartin |
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| 20:59 | gonzalo | walterbender: can we define a action about binaries? |
| 20:59 | cjl | Chair, next topic? |
| 21:00 | walterbender | #action we'll include box2d and olpcgames |
| 21:00 | anything else? | |
| 21:00 | cjl | I'd lioke to remind Activity team to nicely lean on ASLO contributors about i18n. |
| 21:00 | gonzalo | port from olpcgame to sugargame? |
| 21:01 | walterbender | gonzalo: will we really do that for 11.3.0? |
| 21:01 | alsroot | is still on the way to have decent PMS in sugar and dealing w/ each binaries. I'm eventually going to announce 1st public release that is ready to public test at aug 18 |
| 21:01 | gonzalo | walterbender: probably no |
| 21:01 | alsroot | s/and dealing/and not dealing/ |
| 21:02 | gonzalo | i am thinking what to do with olpcgames/sugargames |
| 21:02 | i think the action must be include box2d | |
| 21:02 | olpcgames donot have binaries | |
| 21:02 | right? | |
| 21:02 | walterbender | gonzalo: we need to either update olpcgames to not use hippo or replace it with sugargames sooner than later |
| 21:03 | alsroot | gonzalo: but box2d is a separate project/package, eg, fedora has it as a package |
| 21:03 | gonzalo | walterbender: yes, but is a different issue |
| 21:04 | alsroot, yes, we are trying include it like a dependecy, to not include in the activities | |
| 21:04 | walterbender | #action revert last #action |
| 21:04 | #action add box2d as a Sugar dependency | |
| 21:04 | alsroot | walterbender: you mean to Sugar Platform ? |
| 21:05 | gonzalo | alsroot: yes |
| 21:05 | walterbender | seems a bit extreme, but... |
| 21:05 | would like to see the core dependency list be very small | |
| 21:06 | alsroot | well, that was exactly to reason to code sugar pms to avoid such thing. we can't include all deps that activity use to SP |
| 21:06 | eg , java | |
| 21:06 | gonzalo | may be we can have a "blessed dependecies" list |
| 21:07 | alsroot | gonzalo: one more "well" :), such talking were started tight after announcing SP, ie several years :) |
| 21:08 | for me, all these talked evoluted to coding sugar pms | |
| 21:08 | *talks | |
| 21:08 | gonzalo | alsroot, yeah probably, but right now we are trying to resolve the issue with a few libraries |
| 21:09 | alsroot | gonzalo: thats a good point but only as a urgent close stop, imho all time relying on that is a deadlock |
| 21:09 | *step | |
| 21:10 | (and for me such close steps were happening for ~2y) | |
| 21:10 | once more, that was exactly the reason to work on sugar pms | |
| 21:11 | gonzalo | alsroot, i understand, but we need short term and long term solutions |
| 21:11 | about the plataform here http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_Architecture | |
| 21:11 | i can't see abiword or evince | |
| 21:11 | like dependencies | |
| 21:11 | alsroot | gonzalo: yup, I'm personally +1 for that. but people need to undestand that it is a forced decision |
| 21:12 | gonzalo | alsroot: ok, we are in the same page |
| 21:12 | alsroot | gonzalo: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0[…]atform_Components |
| 21:13 | walterbender | alsroot: at another time, I'd like to pick your brain re plugins and SP |
| 21:14 | cjl | not celar on acronyms sp and pms |
| 21:14 | alsroot | oops, wiki ling is outdated, but we definitely had it |
| 21:15 | walterbender: sure, in short, all my though are implemented in sweets :) | |
| 21:15 | gonzalo | alsroot, the last is 0.88 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0[…]atform_Components |
| 21:15 | alsroot | ..for that case |
| 21:15 | walterbender | cjl: I have an i18n issue with plugins too |
| 21:16 | cjl | Are tehy upstream. like evince? |
| 21:16 | gonzalo | walterbender: we can start with i18n, right? |
| 21:17 | walterbender | gonzalo: where is hippo on that list? |
| 21:17 | gonzalo | walterbender: i don't know :) |
| 21:18 | cjl | Gnash? |
| 21:18 | walterbender | cjl: I think that was a deployment-level dependency |
| 21:18 | cjl | GNOME platform link at bottom si 404 |
| 21:19 | walterbender: Okay, I know flash sometimes replaces gnash | |
| 21:20 | walterbender | cjl: I am guessing the broken link should be pointing to something like http://developer.gnome.org/pla[…]rm-overview/2.32/ |
| 21:20 | we should move on... 2+ hours so far | |
| 21:21 | manuq | yeah |
| 21:21 | gonzalo | cjl, do you want talk about i18n? |
| 21:21 | walterbender | re i18n, my issue is with plugins... no need to discuss that today, but I don't know how to fold it into the workflow |
| 21:22 | cjl | walter a lot of that is tracked in http://translate.sugarlabs.org/es/upstream_l10n/ and http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es/olpc/ui/ (to sue lang-es as an example). |
| 21:22 | alsroot | walterbender: for plugins you mean activity deps? |
| 21:22 | cjl | Do you have a list of plugins? |
| 21:22 | gonzalo | walterbender: the pluggins packaged with turtleart? |
| 21:23 | walterbender | alsroot: I mean TA plugins specifically, but more generally extensions to activities |
| 21:23 | cjl | walterbender: Send me a list of TA plugins and I'll see fi I can find their L10n homes |
| 21:24 | gonzalo | walterbender, but we do not have a way to distribute plugins yet |
| 21:24 | a .xop :) | |
| 21:24 | cjl | My listing of upstreams is incomplete, but I have a spreadsheet I can share with you that I've been populating from the 11.2.0 packages list. |
| 21:24 | walterbender | gonzalo: yes... but we will need one. But this is why I said we should defer the conversation |
| 21:25 | gonzalo: I have a popular new plugin that is country-specific | |
| 21:26 | gonzalo | walterbender: ok, is a separated issue |
| 21:26 | cjl | walterbender: Let me know how I can help |
| 21:27 | walterbender | cjl: we'll need help thinking through a workflow and how to populate PO files |
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| 21:28 | cjl | Ok, I'll need a better sense of what packages you are talking about and wher etehy are developed. |
| 21:30 | gonzalo | guys, anything more? |
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| 21:31 | dirakx | no more from my side. |
| 21:31 | cjl | Angry birds port? :-) |
| 21:32 | gonzalo | cjl, i don't know but the humble indie bundles ... |
| 21:32 | walterbender | nothing else relevant for 11.3.0 today |
| 21:32 | manuq | nothing else for me |
| 21:32 | walterbender | end meeting? |
| 21:32 | cjl | yep |
| 21:32 | walterbender | #endmeeting |
| 21:32 | meeting_ | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 21:32:43 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 21:32 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-27T19:07:37.html | |
| 21:32 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-07-27T19:07:37 | |
| 21:32 | gonzalo | yep, thanks all!!!! |
| 21:32 | nice meeting | |
| 21:32 | walterbender | thanks for organizing it. |
| 21:33 | gonzalo | thanks for chair it :) |
| 21:34 | manuq | ok! see you all, good night |
| 21:36 | dirakx | thanks all |
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