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| 13:51 | dirakx2 | Hi all. |
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| 13:58 | icarito | good morning all |
| 13:58 | dirakx2 | meeting time aproaches. |
| 13:58 | meeting | dirakx2: aproaches. |
| 13:59 | dirakx2 | icarito: morning. |
| 14:02 | m_anish: icarito silbe alsroot yama jvonau ready for meeting ?. | |
| 14:03 | alsroot | hi all |
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| 14:03 | dirakx2 | hi alsroot |
| 14:03 | silbe | is there |
| 14:04 | m_anish | dirakx2, yep (sorry for being late) |
| 14:04 | dirakx2 | m_anish: np. |
| 14:06 | I think yama is afk ?. | |
| 14:06 | we can start now, and wait for him, i guess ;). | |
| 14:06 | #startmeeting | |
| 14:06 | meeting | Meeting started Sat Jul 23 14:06:49 2011 UTC. The chair is dirakx2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:06 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
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| 14:07 | dirakx2 | ok before general updates we can start with I guess same topics last week for example dx3 status ?. |
| 14:08 | maybe silbe can talk about that ?. | |
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| 14:09 | dirakx2 | later we can talk about AU-AC status if yama or jvonau have any comments or topics to raise. |
| 14:10 | and then we can finish with updates. | |
| 14:10 | m_anish | dirakx2, +1 |
| 14:10 | dirakx2 | ok. |
| 14:10 | silbe: can you start on dx3 status ?. | |
| 14:10 | silbe | dirakx2: sure. set the topic :) |
| 14:11 | dirakx2 | #topic dx3 |
| 14:12 | silbe | and anish have decided to delay the DX3 release for a few days to port the remaining DX2-only patches and fix the worst bugs. |
| 14:13 | dirakx2 | silbe: is there a timeline somewhere just to be aware ?. |
| 14:13 | silbe | On Tuesday I've met with a friend and his daughters to do some testing. We found quite a few bugs, though a large portion isn't DX specific. |
| 14:13 | dirakx2: the time line is "ASAP" ;) | |
| 14:13 | dirakx2 | silbe: o.k |
| 14:13 | icarito_web | it's done when it's done :-) |
| 14:14 | m_anish | yah, we want to release ASAP as of now :) |
| 14:14 | silbe | I'd appreciate if everyone could help testing. |
| 14:14 | dirakx2 | silbe: m_anish sure. |
| 14:14 | icarito_web: and I can help on testing. I guess. | |
| 14:14 | m_anish | silbe, +1, I have one xo-1 now, but everyone testing would surely help "more eyeballs=shallow bugs" |
| 14:15 | silbe | If a 3 year old can find bugs, you can, too :-P |
| 14:15 | m_anish: right before the test session my second XO-1.5 died :-/ | |
| 14:15 | dirakx2 | the problem there is that we can also trigger unexpected bugs. :). |
| 14:15 | icarito_web | i'm still xo-less |
| 14:16 | dirakx2 | have we got any contributors meetings lately ?. |
| 14:16 | m_anish | silbe, aw, too bad, I have 2 xo-1.5's with me as well, both of which are dead |
| 14:16 | dirakx2 | re: having new xo's. |
| 14:16 | silbe | m_anish: ouch. What are the symptoms? |
| 14:17 | On mine only the EC is working. Display and main serial port remain blank resp. silent. | |
| 14:17 | m_anish | silbe, well one had overheating problems, and now just refuses to start, I'm figuring out what the problem with the second one is, but have limited tme |
| 14:18 | dirakx2 | #action dirakx2 should ask a contributors request for XOs (# to be determined) |
| 14:18 | silbe | m_anish: yeah, I need to limit repair time as well :-/ |
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| 14:18 | m_anish | dirakx2, one xo-1.5 for me :) pls |
| 14:19 | silbe | #action silbe to publish new patch sets (fixing at least the Feedback device icon bug) |
| 14:19 | dirakx2 | m_anish: I'm thinking 3 xo-1.5. |
| 14:19 | one for you silbe and icarito_web. | |
| 14:19 | silbe | m_anish: can you handle the distro side (updating the spec files, doing a new build)? Or should I continue to do that for DX3? |
| 14:20 | m_anish | silbe, if you can do that till dx-3, it'd be great, i'll take over for dx12 |
| 14:20 | icarito_web | silbe: were there plans to make the image bootable in virtualization? |
| 14:20 | silbe | dirakx2: no XO-1.5 for me for now. I've still got the second one (the one I use every day) and am going to request XO-1.75s soon. |
| 14:21 | dirakx2 | silbe: oh o.k |
| 14:21 | silbe | icarito_web: I've done some work on it, but got stuck with a segfault in the initrd during pivot_root (see olpc-devel archives). :-/ |
| 14:21 | m_anish: ok | |
| 14:21 | dirakx2 | silbe: /me want an xo-1.75 also :). |
| 14:21 | silbe | dirakx2: who doesn't ;) |
| 14:21 | dirakx2 | haha. |
| 14:22 | silbe | ARM, Pixel Qi display, touch screen, water resistant keyboard, ... :D |
| 14:23 | jvonau | you can put me down for an xo-1.75 too. :) |
| 14:23 | silbe | if just the display were twice the size (resp. four times the area)... |
| 14:23 | ok, back on topic | |
| 14:24 | #action silbe to do a new build with the updated patch sets | |
| 14:24 | #action all others with XOs to help testing the new build | |
| 14:24 | dirakx2 | +1. |
| 14:24 | m_anish | silbe, +1 |
| 14:25 | jvonau | +1 I'll have a look also. |
| 14:25 | silbe | m_anish: can you port the mesh disable hack to DX3, please? |
| 14:25 | jvonau: great, thanks! | |
| 14:25 | m_anish | silbe, ok i will |
| 14:26 | silbe | m_anish: thx. |
| 14:26 | m_anish | #action m_anish port mesh disable hack to dx3 |
| 14:27 | dirakx2 | are there anymore dx3 items to talk about ?. |
| 14:28 | silbe | I think that's it for now. We might need help fixing the bugs, but first we need to discover them. |
| 14:28 | dirakx2 | silbe: ok sounds fine. |
| 14:28 | moving to other topic then. | |
| 14:29 | #AC-AU status. | |
| 14:29 | jvonau: do you have any items to talk about regarding our workflow with you guys ?. | |
| 14:29 | or any other issue ;). | |
| 14:30 | silbe | dirakx2: #topic ? |
| 14:30 | jvonau | think things are a little fresh to have any issues yet.. ;) |
| 14:30 | dirakx2 | #topic AC-AU status. |
| 14:31 | jvonau: o.k. I guess in the activities front overall workflow is set up. | |
| 14:32 | jvonau | dirakx2: yes I think so. |
| 14:32 | dirakx2 | also we have our mondays calls to talk about specific things. |
| 14:32 | jvonau | yes, |
| 14:33 | dirakx2 | m_anish: do you have anything to add or still the process is too fresh as jvonau says?. |
| 14:33 | m_anish | dirakx2, nah, just that, I've started responding to some of the tickets yama or jvonau mark me on, but no actual code yet |
| 14:33 | dirakx2 | m_anish: ok sounds good. |
| 14:34 | icarito_web: anything to add giving that you are also on that call ?. | |
| 14:35 | icarito_web | just that we've commited to responding within 2 days |
| 14:35 | dirakx2 | I think we can share experiences as we go by. time and devil is in the details. |
| 14:36 | icarito_web | and there is a question pending about who their support staff should have to contact to escalate |
| 14:36 | to get this response | |
| 14:36 | dirakx2 | icarito_web: yeah that's important, always have that 48 hours to respond to specific requests from AU. |
| 14:36 | icarito_web | we need to be ready to triage that queue in time |
| 14:37 | silbe | the 48h is for any response, right? Not response from a particular person? 'Cause I can't promise I'll always be able to satisfy that requirement. |
| 14:37 | dirakx2 | silbe: +1. |
| 14:38 | icarito_web | i'm ocasionally in the field where I may not be that responsive either so maybe we need something like an RT / roundup queue? |
| 14:38 | dirakx2 | silbe: it is for any response, saying we are looking at it in this # bug for example. |
| 14:38 | silbe | dirakx2: ok, good. |
| 14:38 | no RT, please. It's awful to work with (or at least it was for me so far). | |
| 14:39 | dirakx2 | jvonau: do you have a solution in plce for suport requests ?. (just curious). ;). |
| 14:40 | icarito_web | silbe: i agree |
| 14:40 | silbe: but roundup sounds like it could be much better | |
| 14:40 | (you can use it all over email) | |
| 14:40 | http://roundup.sourceforge.net/ | |
| 14:41 | dirakx2 | icarito_web: my fear is that we are going to end using too many services.. |
| 14:41 | silbe | icarito_web: ok, that would be a start (not being forced to use a web interface) |
| 14:41 | dirakx2 | although I guess necessary. |
| 14:42 | icarito_web | silbe: +1 web is annoying - especially over an "interesting" 3g link |
| 14:42 | silbe | icarito_web: +5 :-/ |
| 14:42 | m_anish | dirakx2, silbe , there's already an email chain for this, should we continue this over that? icarito_web (i'll cc you) |
| 14:42 | dirakx2 | m_anish: +1. |
| 14:43 | icarito_web | +1 |
| 14:43 | jvonau | depends on the request, I'll assign the bug, you'll get an email from redmine is what I think should happen. |
| 14:44 | icarito_web | silbe: in fact I'm experimenting with a decentralized bug tracker in websdk |
| 14:44 | dirakx2 | jvonau: so you will be the ''proxy'' of the support team ?. |
| 14:45 | silbe | jvonau: is there a redmine account for team@ ? Otherwise we'd be hard pressed to always reply within 48h (see above). Otherwise this sounds good to me. |
| 14:45 | jvonau | dirakx2: yes for now. |
| 14:46 | dirakx2 | jvonau: o.k |
| 14:47 | m_anish | jvonau, yama also said Jerry (the local person onsite the deployment) would also be sending emails IIRC (but this is a detail that can be worked out) |
| 14:47 | jvonau | I can add anybody as watchers in the issues. what i need is who should get assigned which bugs and who should be a second, third contacts. |
| 14:48 | dirakx2 | silbe: for now we are working assigning bugs to individuals, but @team seems better. then we can triag and add cc's (watchers) and third contacts. |
| 14:48 | silbe | probably m_anish for Glucose and dirakx2 + icarito_web for activities? |
| 14:49 | dirakx2 | silbe: or that..;). |
| 14:50 | jvonau | or I can just add "the team" anybody can respond and remove the un-needed watchers. |
| 14:50 | silbe | and CC'ing me as upstream developer on the Glucose bugs so I can state early on whether the proposed solution is likely to make it upstream or not. |
| 14:50 | dirakx2 | jvonau: seems better to me. |
| 14:51 | silbe | how about we assign to team, but CC the individuals that are likely to work on the issue? |
| 14:51 | dirakx2 | jvonau: m_anish silbe anyway we can talk of this in our next meeting. |
| 14:51 | m_anish | silbe, that was what i stated (in the mail chain ;-) ) |
| 14:52 | silbe | m_anish: ah, ok. |
| 14:52 | dirakx2 | ok,. |
| 14:52 | jvonau | +1 |
| 14:52 | m_anish | silbe, that'll be the most low latency(while still delegating proper ownership, to the person cc'ed) |
| 14:52 | silbe | m_anish: +1 |
| 14:53 | dirakx2 | m_anish: +1. |
| 14:53 | ok I think we can move on to next topic. | |
| 14:54 | m_anish | dirakx2, yep |
| 14:54 | dirakx2 | o.k |
| 14:54 | #topic updates | |
| 14:55 | I think we are all on the same track as last week, but if anyone has to say something in particular for everyone to know that would be awesome. | |
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| 14:56 | dirakx2 | e.g specific advances and so on.. |
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| 14:57 | icarito_web | silbe: do you know of an implementation of http over stream tubes? |
| 14:57 | implementing collaboration for websdk | |
| 14:57 | silbe | icarito_web: sorry, I didn't quite get that... |
| 14:58 | icarito_web | i have an http service I'd like to share over sugar collaboration |
| 14:58 | i gather I need to set up telepathy stream tubes | |
| 14:59 | I just thought maybe you or someone would be aware of an implementation i can study | |
| 14:59 | silbe | icarito_web: sorry, I'm still not into Telepathy. Maybe Robot101 on #sugar might help. |
| 14:59 | icarito_web | thanks |
| 15:00 | dirakx2 | ok, any other topics you might one to share ?. |
| 15:00 | silbe | upstream would like to remind you that you should use Sugar yourself, preferably the latest git version. ;) |
| 15:01 | icarito_web | is a sugar user |
| 15:01 | dirakx2 | silbe: truth I for example don't use latest in git. I use an stable version. 0.88. |
| 15:02 | so o.k I think we can end-meeting now. | |
| 15:02 | m_anish | hmm, from the platform side, I have a couple of things I'd like people to think about (generally) and come back with suggestions if possible.... (1) dx-12 formal roadmap (2) dx-12 feature list (3) dx-12 development goals (largely influenced atm by .au objectives IMHO) ... I would ideally like to come up with rough drafts for the same within 2 weeks. |
| 15:03 | dirakx2, eot :) | |
| 15:03 | silbe | m_anish: a lot of that will depend on the number of devs that will work on those. |
| 15:03 | m_anish | silbe, +1 |
| 15:03 | dirakx2 | 3.. |
| 15:03 | 2.. | |
| 15:03 | 1.. | |
| 15:03 | #endmeeting | |
| 15:03 | meeting | Meeting ended Sat Jul 23 15:03:53 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:03 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-23T14:06:49.html | |
| 15:03 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-07-23T14:06:49 | |
| 15:03 | silbe | m_anish: there are several important things to work on for DX-12, but with the current number of devs I fear we can't implement them. |
| 15:04 | almost :-/ | |
| 15:04 | m_anish | silbe, working on it :) |
| 15:04 | dirakx2 | :) |
| 15:05 | thanks everyone. | |
| 15:05 | m_anish | dirakx2, thanks! |
| 15:06 | icarito_web | xdg launching of regular linux apps and better gnome integration would be in my wishlist |
| 15:06 | x | |
| 15:06 | xdg -> standard | |
| 15:06 | dirakx2 | m_anish: sorry I'm not too adjusted to chairing ;). anyway I tried. |
| 15:06 | m_anish | dirakx2, you did great, :) thanks! |
| 15:06 | dirakx2 | m_anish: yw. |
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| 15:09 | silbe | icarito_web: that's probably something we should work on upstream rather than downstream |
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