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| 10:13 | alsroot | do we have a meeting |
| 10:16 | so, it should happen at 16:00 UTC | |
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| 13:58 | silbe | dfarning_afk, bernie, tch, m_anish, alsroot: meeting 14 UTC (i.e. nowish)? |
| 14:01 | icarito | silbe: i'm here |
| 14:04 | silbe | icarito: ok, that's a start :) |
| 14:04 | icarito | :-) |
| 14:05 | alsroot | silbe: not at 16:00? if got dfarning right |
| 14:07 | hmm, or 18:00 | |
| 14:07 | icarito | alsroot, silbe i don't know, its supposed to be usually at this time, I haven't seen email indicating a change |
| 14:08 | i've been offline most of the week maybe I missed it | |
| 14:08 | alsroot | at least dfarning_afk is not right here and he got an assumption (from bernie) that time is changed |
| 14:09 | icarito: in any case we meet some time today and will settle it down | |
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| 14:11 | icarito | i remember bernie proposed a change in time but not that it was adopted |
| 14:15 | silbe | alsroot: ok, as long as we finally meet again. We can discuss the time for future meetings then. At least for our partners at OLPC-AU anything even later than 14 UTC is rather bad (like middle of the night). If we manage to do separate meetings with them it might be less of an issue. |
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| 14:21 | dfarning | alsroot, bernie, dirakx, m_anish, icarito, silbe, tch ping |
| 14:21 | silbe | dfarning: pong. When's the meeting happening? |
| 14:21 | icarito | hi dfarning , pong |
| 14:22 | dfarning | I understand there has been some confussion on the mmeting time -- I though bernie had rescheudaled it? |
| 14:22 | let's go back the orginally scheudaled time. | |
| 14:22 | icarito | hi well bernie asked last meeting if it would suit all of us and response was mixed |
| 14:23 | dfarning | icarito ok so then let's do the orginal time. |
| 14:23 | silbe | dfarning: we discussed it, but since there was no meeting there was no definite decision - at least that's how I interpreted it. |
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| 14:23 | dfarning | sorry about the confusion. |
| 14:25 | icarito | we haven't held a meeting in a while |
| 14:25 | dfarning | silbe, icarito was the orginal time about 24 minutes ago? |
| 14:25 | silbe | dfarning: we also didn't arrange a meeting with OLPC-AU (yama) because only Rafael replied to indicate a time that works for him. |
| 14:25 | dfarning: exactly, 14 UTC. | |
| 14:27 | dfarning | ok, silbe can you start the meeting with just the three of us? just to get things going. other can read the log. and we can get back on scheudal for next week. |
| 14:28 | I did not realize how imporant anish was at keep things llike meeting going. | |
| 14:31 | silbe my biggest questions are about what you are doing? | |
| 14:33 | silbe | dfarning: I've been doing misc. upstream stuff (Design Team, Browse, Code reviews, ...) until now. erikos has been asking about the DX2 patches / features that haven't been posted upstream yet, so I started going through them again yesterday and would continue that work the coming week. |
| 14:34 | dfarning | silbe +1 how does the patch queue loo? |
| 14:35 | look? | |
| 14:37 | silbe | dfarning: there are a few major patch sets that I'll need to merge first to get a good impression. Notifications, microformat updater, Feedback, ... are all distributed over several patches that makes sense when doing upstream development, but make reviewing a completely new feature a pain. |
| 14:39 | dfarning | silbe how are we doing on DX12? |
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| 14:41 | silbe | dfarning: I intended to come up with a new architecture for the NM client code in Sugar (as part of the NM 0.9 migration), but I'm not sure I can do both that and going through the remaining DX2 patches within a reasonable time frame. Actually implementing it (i.e. refactoring and enhancing the current code) and testing / debugging is going to take a considerable amount of time, so we should start ASAP (=> need the architecture soon). |
| 14:45 | dfarning | silbe yes updating to NM 9.0 looks important. |
| 14:46 | icarito | i'm a bit confused about dx release numbers, dates and underlying distro versions |
| 14:46 | bernie | appears |
| 14:46 | silbe | dfarning: another major issue is going to be Browse / Surf, but I guess there's nothing we can do about it until lucian has more time. |
| 14:46 | dfarning | silbe +1 |
| 14:47 | icarito I am too :( | |
| 14:47 | bernie | (but wasn't it supposed to be at 1800 now?) |
| 14:47 | dfarning | bernie it seems you suggested it but it was never confirmed. |
| 14:48 | silbe | icarito: DX3 = our current development release. Release synchronised with OLPC; ETA 2011-07-18. |
| 14:48 | bernie | icarito: i'm confused too (is DX12 the same of DX3?) |
| 14:48 | dirakx | HI, /me a little behind hours here. |
| 14:49 | silbe | s/development release/development version/ |
| 14:49 | dfarning | bernie yes we are jumping to DX12 so the version number aligns with the academic year in which it is first used. |
| 14:49 | silbe | icarito: DX12 = next development version. Again synchronised with OLPC, ETA December 2011. |
| 14:50 | bernie | dfarning: ah ok... it thought it was to align with olpc's releases (which are _not_ following the years any more :-) |
| 14:50 | silbe | DX3 will be our testing grounds for OLPC synchronisation. So far it looks like DX12, but not DX3 will be used in classrooms because of deployment schedules. |
| 14:51 | dfarning | silbe is olpc changing sugar versions between the release next months and their release in Dec? |
| 14:52 | silbe | dfarning: I'm not aware of any plans for the December OLPC release yet. I hope we can agree on using 0.94 so we don't fall back behind Sugar again. |
| 14:52 | dfarning | bernie ya the version numbers are driving teachers and support staff nuts :( |
| 14:53 | bernie | dfarning: especially since: 1) we don't say the DX version in the control panel; and 2) the version of sugar never gets updated |
| 14:53 | silbe | bernie: AIUI that's the version scheme used by OLPC and we're following their lead in order to reduce the confusion slightly. |
| 14:53 | bernie: that's something we should fix. Can you file a ticket, please? | |
| 14:54 | bernie | silbe: ok. |
| 14:55 | silbe | dfarning: oops, we should have started the meeting so all this get logged. At least we still have the regular channel logs... |
| 14:55 | bernie | silbe: have you seen that dsd fixed the pygobject bug that was causing random crashes when clicking on icons? |
| 14:55 | silbe | #startmeeting |
| 14:55 | meeting | Meeting started Sat Jun 11 14:55:20 2011 UTC. The chair is silbe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:55 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 14:56 | alsroot | silbe: #sugar-meeting is being logged in any case |
| 14:56 | silbe | #info Meeting log started late; please check the channel logs starting at 14:27 UTC. |
| 14:56 | link http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]1-06-11#i_2672463 | |
| 14:57 | bernie: yup, I did. I'll need to buy him a drink (or a whole box) if I ever meet him personally. | |
| 14:58 | #link http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]1-06-11#i_2672463 | |
| 14:59 | dirakx | ows some people a lot of beer ;). |
| 14:59 | silbe | bernie: he's been doing a lot of important bug fix work lately. |
| 14:59 | if erikos keeps working on the Telepathy parts, maybe DX3 will work well after all. | |
| 15:01 | dfarning | bernie a couple of weeks ago you mentioned that you would have more time. is that still true |
| 15:01 | bernie | silbe: yeah, i'm impressed by all the work done by erikos on collaboration. finally someone got serious about fixing it! |
| 15:02 | dfarning: not as much as i thought... we're having trouble with our servers at the fsf (i'll tell you the details in pm) | |
| 15:03 | dfarning | bernie ok |
| 15:03 | silbe | bernie: it must be about the only thing he's doing right now - I have trouble keeping up with acquiring just enough knowledge to review his patches. |
| 15:06 | bernie: BTW, have you met at EduJam with the folks who did the accessibility patches? | |
| 15:09 | dirakx | silbe: about browse there are some patches that could be pushed now, re gonzalo, and the name changing for downloads. |
| 15:10 | silbe | dirakx: do you have Patchwork links? I thought I reviewed all Browse patches... |
| 15:11 | dfarning | silbe is there a scheudal for sugar .94 somewhere? |
| 15:11 | dirakx | silbe: I'll have to look at patchwork. one patch is your (name change), but the other is from gonzalo replying to comments about a patch to keep history between sessions |
| 15:11 | silbe | dfarning: there is none yet |
| 15:12 | dfarning | silbe what is the target release time? |
| 15:13 | bernie | silbe: yes, they came to the meeting |
| 15:13 | silbe | dirakx: ah yes, he replied saying what needs changing on top of the original patch. I'll need to rework the patch myself and try it out. |
| 15:13 | dirakx | silbe: ok I help with testing then. I send you some comments about the printing support patch. |
| 15:13 | sent* | |
| 15:14 | silbe | dfarning: in the past we've aligned with Fedora (=> SoaS) / Ubuntu release schedules. I'll need to take a look at those and compare them with the OLPC ones to see whether we can come up with a good compromise. |
| 15:15 | dfarning | silbe ok so sept or oct? |
| 15:16 | silbe | dirakx: if you have some time for testing, it would be great to check all the cairo version related bugs that we don't have an upper bound for yet. Maybe they are already fixed in recent versions (latest upstream, Debian Squeeze, F14, Fedora Rawhide) and we can start enabling the features again. |
| 15:16 | dirakx | silbe: ok +1. |
| 15:16 | silbe | dfarning: let me do at least a quick check before I get it totally wrong |
| 15:18 | dfarning: F16: 2011-08-02 string freeze, 2011-10-10 final change deadline | |
| 15:19 | dfarning: that would mean having less than two months for doing all the heavy work (like NM 0.9 port). Might get tight. | |
| 15:24 | dfarning: Gnome 3.2 schedule: 2011-08-15 API freeze, 2011-09-05 string freeze, 2011-09-19 hard code freeze, 2011-09-28 release | |
| 15:24 | that sounds more reasonable for us | |
| 15:25 | dfarning | silbe thanks -- I will read the back log -- the power is out and my battery is nearly dead :( |
| 15:26 | dfarning is now known as dfarning_afk | |
| 15:26 | silbe | dfarning: you need to get a solar panel for your XO - or a bicycle with hub dynamo ;) |
| 15:27 | let's stop this pre-meeting and meet again at 16 UTC (now + 33 minutes) | |
| 15:27 | #endmeeting | |
| 15:27 | meeting | Meeting ended Sat Jun 11 15:27:19 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:27 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-11T14:55:20.html | |
| 15:27 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-06-11T14:55:20 | |
| 15:27 | dirakx | xo-solar |
| 15:29 | icarito | silbe: why? |
| 15:30 | silbe | dirakx: http://www.ilovemyxo.com/produ[…]ttsolarpanel.html |
| 15:30 | icarito: because no one else was talking anyway | |
| 15:31 | satellit_ | fyi: I ordered a $99.00 solar panel for my XO-1 works fine... |
| 15:31 | icarito | silbe: will others talk in 33 mins? |
| 15:32 | silbe | icarito: I hope so. That's the time that bernie seems to have advertised. |
| 15:33 | dirakx | silbe: I really like one of the new panels showed by Mary Lou jepsen for some video../me doesn't have the link handy. |
| 15:33 | it seems that they are high performance ones. | |
| 15:34 | I should look at the reference somewhere. | |
| 15:35 | silbe | dirakx: this one? http://freshpost.info/small-so[…]d-arm-tablet.html |
| 15:35 | dirakx | silbe: ahh yes. |
| 15:36 | silbe | dirakx: other links suggest it's a 1W panel, which about matches the size. That's going to be no good for powering any existing XO. |
| 15:36 | dirakx | silbe: hmm yes, they only work for powering the screen. |
| 15:37 | silbe: but I guess that with enough surface you can gather more panels and try to power all the laptop. | |
| 15:38 | the idea is not to have the panel as separated from the laptop but integrated somehow to it. | |
| 15:38 | silbe | dirakx: the 10W one is a reasonable compromise between size and performance (power output). Remember that the 10W are only nominal. You'll get that only at noon in the summer. |
| 15:38 | dirakx | silbe: yep that's the big problem with solar energy. |
| 15:38 | silbe | dirakx: it's at least a nice idea for prolonging battery life |
| 15:39 | (covering the laptop with solar cells) | |
| 15:39 | dirakx | silbe: indeed. but in order to that to work enterely I guess some firmware/drivers changes need to be done. |
| 15:40 | silbe | but to be practical the prices would have to drop a lot I guess... |
| 15:40 | satellit_ | wishes the panel worked like a roller shade so it would be easier to carry. But the 10watt one is noce and easy to use |
| 15:40 | silbe | dirakx: software isn't the problem, physics is. :) |
| 15:40 | dirakx | cost is another barrier, |
| 15:40 | silbe: damn physics. :) hehe. | |
| 15:41 | will be back in a few minutes. | |
| 15:42 | satellit_ | what ever happened to the russian lamp (oil) chimney generators for powering one? |
| 15:42 | silbe | satellit_: yeah, a panel that can be rolled up would be great. Outdoor equiment manufacturers are doing something similar by using several small panels so you can fold the thing. |
| 15:43 | satellit_ | or snap together panel tiles like the big display led tv screens.... |
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| 15:48 | dfarning | silbe ok pluged back in. |
| 15:50 | satellit_ | going off line....bye |
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| 15:53 | silbe | dfarning: I'll be in the kitchen for a few minutes, but back for the meeting |
| 16:03 | tch, m_anish: ready for the meeting? | |
| 16:06 | dfarning | m_anish is still traveling with very limited connectivity |
| 16:08 | silbe can you restart the meeting with a summary of the release plans for dx3 and dx12 | |
| 16:09 | silbe | ok |
| 16:10 | #startmeeting | |
| 16:10 | meeting | Meeting started Sat Jun 11 16:10:04 2011 UTC. The chair is silbe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 16:10 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 16:10 | silbe | #topic Dextrose release schedules |
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| 16:11 | silbe | #info Dextrose 3 is the current development version. It is the first release synchronised with OLPC. Release is scheduled for 2011-07-20. |
| 16:13 | #info Dextrose 12 is the next development version and will be released in December 2011. | |
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| 16:14 | silbe | #info Neither OLPC nor Dextrose has decided on the version of Sugar for OLPC 12.1 / DX 12 yet, but we're aiming for 0.94. |
| 16:15 | #info One of the release goals for DX 12 will be NetworkManager 0.9 support, including the associated design and code architecture changes. | |
| 16:15 | dfarning | silbe do you think you can try to push for 0.94 as mainly a bug fix release rather than a new feature release? |
| 16:16 | silbe since olpc and us are both trying to make a stable release in Dec. | |
| 16:16 | silbe | dfarning: I don't think we'll need to do much pushing. The only significant contributors right now are paid by either OLPC or AC. |
| 16:17 | dfarning: the major new feature that 0.94 will hopefully have is the NM 0.9 work. | |
| 16:18 | dfarning | silbe thanks that sounds good. then we can do a bernie release for .96 |
| 16:19 | silbe | Which is a rather sad state of affairs, BTW. But that's a different topic; maybe if Pablo joins in we can bring it up later? |
| 16:19 | bernie | silbe, m_anish: what about the activity updater? is it upstream yet? |
| 16:20 | dfarning | Pabloe is not availabe on weekend so he can't participate in these meeting :( |
| 16:20 | silbe | bernie: I haven't assembled the patches to a single piece yet, so I couldn't even take a closer look. :-/ |
| 16:20 | bernie | silbe, m_anish: i've seen that dsd reverted to the old updater from sugar 0.82 for his next release... the one that depends on bitfrost and uses weird python constructs all over the place. |
| 16:21 | silbe | dfarning: ok, we should do something about that - maybe in combination with the OLPC-AU meeting? |
| 16:21 | dfarning | silbe but there has been some action for Latin American developer post EduJAM |
| 16:22 | bernie, do you know why he reverted? | |
| 16:22 | silbe | dfarning: good to know. Now if somebody could export a braindump of Spanish that I can import... ;) |
| 16:23 | dfarning | silbe yah -- learning spanish is much hard for me at 40 than leaning danish was at 16. |
| 16:23 | dirakx | dfarning: what action ? ;). just curious. |
| 16:23 | bernie | dfarning: i think he did not even see the new updater in dextrose... |
| 16:24 | dfarning: the one in sugar 0.92 still doesn't support the microformat, so it wasn't adequate for him | |
| 16:24 | dfarning | dirakx I though i saw some stuff from manuq |
| 16:24 | dirakx | dfarning: ah o.k |
| 16:24 | yep. | |
| 16:24 | silbe | bernie: erikos has been asking about the new updater, so there's a chance they might switch. That's why I need to work on it ASAP. |
| 16:24 | bernie | dfarning: we still have plenty of patches that haven't been subitted upstream, i think it would be worth reiterating over all of them and resubmitting the ones that we missed. |
| 16:25 | silbe | bernie: please check your backlog :-P |
| 16:25 | bernie | silbe: isn't the current patch set in dextrose good enough for submission? |
| 16:25 | silbe | bernie: it isn't even good enough for me to take a look :-/ |
| 16:25 | bernie | silbe: ah, i had missed that! |
| 16:26 | silbe | bernie: the changes are scattered over a sad of patches |
| 16:26 | set even | |
| 16:27 | manuq | dfarning: hi |
| 16:27 | bernie | silbe: yes, i don't understand why people started stacking adjustments over old patches rather than submitting a new revision of the old patch... |
| 16:28 | dfarning | manuq hey -- was just commentin that I was happy to see your work on the mailing lists. |
| 16:28 | silbe | bernie: that's exactly my problem. Now I need to combine them first... Easy enough to do, but it takes time. |
| 16:28 | dfarning | bernie is that a workflow tch needs to learn or someone else? |
| 16:29 | bernie | silbe: yes, we should not accept incremental patches (although it's good to split a large work in N self-contained patches that do one thing each) |
| 16:29 | manuq | dfarning: thanks, I'm here if you have something to ask |
| 16:30 | bernie | dfarning: maybe both tch and anish? i'm not sure... silbe, which features tend to have have incremental patches? |
| 16:31 | dfarning | bernie in that case just you or silbe showing them will be enough to fix things for future patches. |
| 16:32 | bernie | dfarning: k |
| 16:32 | silbe | bernie: a nice patch set would be great, but stacks of bug fixes to the previous patches are not. |
| 16:36 | I guess we're done with the DX release schedule now? Any remaining question? | |
| 16:36 | dfarning | bernie, silbe do you have time to go over http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Dextrose/3/Todo and move stuff from http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]ose/3/Todo/EduJAM to there of else to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Dextrose/12/Todo |
| 16:37 | I expect that tch and anish will spend almost all of their time over the next 6 months working off those lists. | |
| 16:39 | silbe | dfarning: most of the items on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Dextrose/3/Todo are more of an idea than something to actually work on. I'd need more detail to decided on whether we can do it within DX-3 or even DX-12 timeline. |
| 16:39 | "kill the mute function" is already done, though. | |
| 16:40 | dfarning | silbe ok, should the sorting and prioritizing task be for m_anish |
| 16:41 | silbe is that all for dextrose? | |
| 16:42 | should we move to activites with dirakx and icarito? | |
| 16:42 | silbe | dfarning: we should convert them into actual work items before sorting and prioritising them. After filtering it a bit for obvious long-term tasks. |
| 16:42 | dfarning | silbe +1 |
| 16:42 | silbe | ok, let's move on then |
| 16:42 | dirakx | ok I've been working on activity issues of the au people, |
| 16:42 | silbe | #topic Activities |
| 16:43 | dfarning | dirakx awesome :) |
| 16:43 | dirakx | some of the issues are already upstreamed some others not. |
| 16:43 | they have a bunch of new activities that want to develop. | |
| 16:43 | icarito | read your prior conversation, looking at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Dextrose/3/Todo I'm interested in item #1 "Make activities work in Gnome without Sugar" |
| 16:43 | dirakx | so we are working in a procedure of custom activity development. |
| 16:44 | #link http://dev.laptop.org.au/proje[…]issues?query_id=6 | |
| 16:44 | also did some updates and fixes for some activities regarding mainly activity.info deprecations and other minor fixes. | |
| 16:45 | dfarning | dirakx have you gotten a chance to talk to yama for feedback on the activity creation template? |
| 16:46 | silbe | icarito: let's talk about that after the meeting. A first step would be to define what level of non-Sugar-ness is intended. |
| 16:46 | dirakx | dfarning: not yet. I have to poke him for it. |
| 16:46 | dfarning | dirakx +1 |
| 16:47 | dirakx | we are looking for a dev/designer pythonist to join us in working on this new activities developments. |
| 16:47 | dfarning | dirakx so basically you and icarito have a plan and you are working that plan? :) |
| 16:47 | dirakx | dfarning: indeed. |
| 16:47 | silbe | dirakx, dfarning: we could add it to the agenda for the OLPC-AU meeting. We should try really hard to make it happen next week; I promised this week. :-/ |
| 16:48 | dirakx | this week icarito was on a trip this week btw. |
| 16:48 | silbe: thanks. | |
| 16:48 | dfarning | dirakx +1 have you found anyone promising in your circle of friends. |
| 16:48 | dirakx | dfarning: nop :( all the pythonist here are very busy. |
| 16:48 | icarito | yes I was on a late honeymoon :-) |
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| 16:49 | dirakx | icarito: have you anyone that could it that role ? |
| 16:49 | fit* | |
| 16:49 | acaire11 | hola rafael |
| 16:49 | dirakx | hola acaire11 |
| 16:50 | icarito | which brings us to one idea we're pursuing which is a framework |
| 16:50 | dfarning | silbe are you setting up a meeting with yama to sync the AU development with dx12 development? |
| 16:50 | acaire11 | upps - sorry |
| 16:50 | aprendiendo a usar la herramienta | |
| 16:50 | dirakx | dfarning: but I have some prespectives from the community let's follow up by mail. |
| 16:50 | icarito | sorry, its something we discussed at edujam |
| 16:51 | what i'm wanting to have is a way to code activities in a MVC way so that we may have the UI done in HTML/css | |
| 16:51 | and hook events to python so that the backend can be done in python | |
| 16:51 | bernie | silbe: i guess it's too late to work on most of the stuff in Dextrose/3/Todo... except maybe for the journal multiple selection work. We might want to move the rest of the list to Dextrose/12/Todo. |
| 16:52 | silbe | dfarning: we're setting up a meeting to discuss OLPC-AU's technical challenges and how Dextrose / AC can help them address them. IOW: What we are going to work on for DX-12. |
| 16:52 | dfarning | dirakx +1 -- we should also talk to pablo there are a buch of people active in ceibal jam who are not active on the sugar list. |
| 16:52 | icarito | this could help us leverage a lot of html/css expertise available here for building content / activties |
| 16:52 | dfarning | silbe +1 |
| 16:52 | dirakx | dfarning: +1. |
| 16:53 | icarito | dirakx, sorry I mixed topics |
| 16:53 | silbe | icarito: interesting idea. Are you going to build on WebKit already or xulrunner at first? |
| 16:53 | dirakx | icarito: np, that additionwould be nice. i.e making gui on html/css |
| 16:54 | there is glade for gtk, also ;). | |
| 16:54 | dfarning | icarito I think you were on topic, I am just slow. we haven't had a meeting in a while and I am trying to figure out how the piece fit together. |
| 16:55 | icarito | silbe: at this point i'm not decided, depends on which one has easier hooks |
| 16:55 | silbe: whichever is the least work actually :-) | |
| 16:55 | as its only a side project to the Activity Pack we're building | |
| 16:55 | silbe | icarito: It's bound to be WebKit. Nothing can be worse than python-xpcom. ;) |
| 16:56 | icarito | the idea of the activity pack is to have a distribution channel for a group of activities |
| 16:57 | and a way for having a catalog, a bit like the ubuntu add/remove tool | |
| 16:58 | i consider it a part of our job to facilitate an ecosystem of content in activities | |
| 16:58 | dirakx | icarito: can you make a description onthe wiki with roadmap..etc..? somewhat like alsroot is doing with TheServer |
| 16:58 | silbe | icarito: how does it relate to a.sl.o? |
| 16:59 | icarito | silbe: the other side of the problem that is the actual distribution of activities and I've been trying to wrap my head around alsroot's sweets project for that |
| 16:59 | actually I was just discussing this with him on pvt | |
| 17:00 | so aslo is supposed to be a web frontend to the activity library | |
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| 17:01 | icarito | the idea is we can distribute an activity pack installer (launcher in sweets terminology) |
| 17:01 | this installer would be a pretty html rendered catalogue | |
| 17:02 | to launch activities packaged as sweets in the same way ASLO is | |
| 17:02 | silbe | icarito: so it would be something like a frontend to the a.sl.o database that's implemented as a Sugar activity? |
| 17:03 | icarito | this opens the posibility of having a communication channel for i.e. feedback or discussion among users about activities |
| 17:03 | silbe | icarito: or a frontend to a different database than a.sl.o, so people looking for activities need to check both places? |
| 17:03 | icarito | silbe: yes in a way, for offline use, packaging of activities and distribution |
| 17:04 | silbe: actually a tool for deployments for instance to deploy their activity selection and a way for us to deploy AC's activity selection | |
| 17:05 | i'm at a stage where i'm looking at the pieces for this and trying to see how they fit, so I'm hoping to document what I find and my vision so as to get feedback | |
| 17:05 | silbe | icarito: ok, the next question would have been how it relates to the activity updater, but I'll wait for your document instead. |
| 17:06 | icarito | from a user's pov they could have just one download and get a select activity pack and info about the activities, i.e. who made them, what are they for, maybe even to provide feedback or discuss them with other users |
| 17:06 | silbe: ok yes but your questions are very useful because I need to think of every place where we interact with the rest of the system | |
| 17:07 | silbe | icarito: glad to be of service |
| 17:07 | icarito | i dont want to overcomplicate the project, my goal is a distribution means for an activity selection |
| 17:08 | strategics about who does selecting are a different topic :-) | |
| 17:09 | looking at i.e. ubuntu you have universe/multiverse (like ASLO) then you have PPAs (like deployments might have, or AC) | |
| 17:09 | silbe | does the microformat activity updater support multiple URLs? If so, that would be a distribution channel for activity groups as well - though I expect your project to be more encompassing. |
| 17:10 | ok, should we move on to the next topic? | |
| 17:10 | icarito | thanks I'll update you then about it, will email dextrose list and then document in a wiki page |
| 17:11 | silbe | icarito: thx! |
| 17:12 | #topic Meeting time | |
| 17:13 | icarito | maybe just to make sure, next meeting is at usual old time, correct? 14utc? |
| 17:13 | heh glad we're in sync silbe | |
| 17:13 | silbe | heh |
| 17:13 | Let's make a quick poll: | |
| 17:14 | please state your preference for 14 UTC and 16 UTC as -1,0,+1 | |
| 17:14 | (@everyone) | |
| 17:14 | dfarning | silbe, bernie, dfarning, icarito, dirakx, m_anish, tch ^ :) |
| 17:14 | icarito | silbe: confusing instructions |
| 17:15 | i thought dfarning already set 14? :-) | |
| 17:15 | dirakx | 16utc +1. |
| 17:15 | 14UTC 0 | |
| 17:16 | silbe | icarito: Sorry. Please give a value for both 14 UTC and 16 UTC, stating how well it would suit you: -1 not good, 0 neutral, +1 good |
| 17:16 | dfarning | 14 +1 |
| 17:16 | 16 +1 | |
| 17:16 | icarito | 14 +1 |
| 17:16 | 16 -1 | |
| 17:17 | dfarning | alroot said +1 to both |
| 17:17 | silbe | ok. AIUI bernie is 14 0, 16 +1 |
| 17:18 | FTR: yama is 14 0, 16 -1 | |
| 17:18 | (we talked about it last week) | |
| 17:19 | tch | hey guys |
| 17:19 | anytime is ok for me during the week :) | |
| 17:19 | dirakx | I think that for yama 14 or 13 is o.k. |
| 17:19 | silbe | tch: hey! your chance to change to tip the scales and change the meeting times ;) |
| 17:20 | tch | silbe: a had a terrible yesterday and had to over sleep to recover lol |
| 17:20 | silbe | ok, then let's get back to 14 UTC for now. We have 1-2 "not good" for 16, but none for 14. |
| 17:20 | tch | s/terrible/terrible day |
| 17:20 | dfarning | tch |
| 17:20 | silbe | tch: don't let multiple Journal objects chase you in your dreams ;) |
| 17:20 | dfarning | silbe +1 |
| 17:21 | tch | silbe: i dream with it all day lol, |
| 17:21 | dfarning | tch more paperwork for taxes? |
| 17:21 | dirakx | :) |
| 17:21 | silbe | #agreed AC meetings will happen on Saturdays at 14:00 UTC |
| 17:21 | tch | dfarning: paperwork, car cash, etc |
| 17:21 | icarito | tch: good work there sorry I gave no feedback i have to take time to write emails |
| 17:22 | silbe | tch: but you're well? Just the car wrecked? |
| 17:22 | tch | walter and his 20.000 entries DS helped to find flaws in the current implementation so Im still fixing it |
| 17:22 | icarito | acaire11 is our UI expert tried to show her the video but she told me she needed to try the patches herself |
| 17:22 | tch | silbe: yeah, but car has a few scratches nothing serious but i really love my car haha |
| 17:23 | icarito | btw acaire11 is laura, my wife who also volunteers her skills for sugar mission :-) |
| 17:23 | silbe | tch: lol. I have a copy of his DS as well, helped me find bugs in the DS code. :) |
| 17:23 | acaire11 | hello to all |
| 17:23 | dfarning | silbe let's chang topic back to dextrose and have tch give an update. |
| 17:23 | silbe | tch: ah, ok then. Scratches are normal for a car. If it's new you'll need to make a first scratch or you'll be too worried about not making one. :-P |
| 17:24 | dfarning | hello acaire11 |
| 17:24 | silbe | #topic Tinchos dextrose work |
| 17:24 | acaire11 | dfarning back from great vacations |
| 17:25 | dfarning | acaire11 nice |
| 17:25 | silbe | acaire11: welcome to our meeting! |
| 17:25 | acaire11 | catching up! |
| 17:25 | silbe thx! | |
| 17:25 | tch | Basically, I have working version of the multi-selection, sadly my ex-current approach had some not-nice performance issues, so I am working on it. |
| 17:26 | dfarning | acaire11 we are in need of a UI person. non-of us have any taste :( |
| 17:26 | tch | At the same time, I am doing a small research on nfs-like services so at least i can try the xs-storage (naive cloud journal) idea as a entry-level backup system |
| 17:26 | acaire11 | I'll be happy to help :) |
| 17:27 | tons of taste here to share | |
| 17:27 | tch | and that it is, |
| 17:27 | acaire11 | jojojo |
| 17:27 | dfarning | tch how about the state of the dx3 patch set? can you clean that up so silbe can pull stuff upstream -- he mentioned something about your patch work flow also |
| 17:28 | silbe | dfarning: I guess s/dx2/dx3/ ? |
| 17:29 | tch | dfarning: well, the last patches i sent to the list (before edujam) were for dx2 |
| 17:29 | dfarning: most of them were the last would-be-nice-to-have/solve-ones | |
| 17:29 | bernie | silbe: 16 +1, 14 -1 |
| 17:30 | tch | nothing critical, but talking about dx3 upstream work: It would be nice to have my notifications and share-3g there |
| 17:31 | but I guess upstream first interest its on the microformat updater | |
| 17:31 | silbe | bernie: psst. Another vote like yours and we'd have to change the time. :) |
| 17:32 | tch: you mean OLPC. I do have interest in the other ones, too. :) | |
| 17:32 | dfarning | tch can you take alook at the various TODO lists and prioritize them. |
| 17:32 | tch | right |
| 17:32 | dfarning: i will. | |
| 17:33 | dfarning | silbe is that about it? I think covered all the major topics. |
| 17:33 | anyone have organizatioal questions for me? | |
| 17:33 | silbe | is there anything else we should discuss for the current topic? Two other topics I'd like to discuss are a) Who's going to do the NM 0.9 port and |
| 17:34 | b) when do we meet with OLPC-AU | |
| 17:34 | dfarning | silbe I'll set up b :) |
| 17:34 | tch | silbe: _if_and _when_ i am done with my current tasks i would like to! I got some experience with NM while doing the 3G thing |
| 17:35 | dfarning | silbe is a) a show stopper for dx12? |
| 17:35 | silbe | awesome, two topics covered in two chat messages. |
| 17:35 | tch | silbe: but would be great if all design discussion could be done before that ;) |
| 17:36 | silbe: guess ill need to catch up with soas guys, i hear they did some work on that | |
| 17:36 | silbe | dfarning: It's a major issue for OLPC-AU at least. It'll also limit our choice of which version of Fedora we're going to base on. |
| 17:37 | tch: Gary and I did a 3-hour marathon on the design last week. | |
| 17:37 | tch | silbe: awesome, a GUI mockup + user-interaction-flow mockups would be great |
| 17:38 | silbe | Unfortunately, nobody else was there last week (no email replies either) and walterbender already mentioned he can't join us tomorrow. |
| 17:38 | dfarning | silbe is the fedora issue really an issue. i thougt we were basing on 14 because of the gnome and python updates in 15? |
| 17:39 | tch | basing on fedora 14 would save a lot of time (i think) :P |
| 17:39 | silbe | dfarning: TBH I have no idea yet. But as of today, I have a larger disk drive and can install a F15 VM to take a look. |
| 17:40 | dfarning | silbe great. |
| 17:40 | tch | and though we were going to stay close to OLPC build this time ;) |
| 17:40 | dfarning | tch +10 |
| 17:40 | silbe | tch: has OLPC already decided on a base OS for the December 2011 release? |
| 17:42 | tch | silbe: if they choose something different than f14 (considering the big changes since f15, correct me if i am wrong) it is highly probable that won't be mature enough |
| 17:42 | dirakx | at least browse doesn't start on F15 due to an hulahop thing. |
| 17:43 | tch | maybe bernie can have a second though on this, but staying with f14 could be a wise choice |
| 17:44 | silbe | tch: ultimately it's martinlanghoffs choice I guess. AIUI we're following OLPCs lead, whatever their choice is - for better or worse. |
| 17:44 | dfarning | any other issues? |
| 17:45 | I'll summarize the meeting note -- actually I turn them into a giant todo list:) | |
| 17:45 | silbe | I'd like a quick poll of what everyone is working on / going to work on if you don't mind, just so I have some overview again. |
| 17:45 | dfarning | silbe sure |
| 17:46 | silbe | #topic Who's working on what |
| 17:47 | dfarning | I'll also work with m_anish to wear his dextrose PM hat and help resync things |
| 17:47 | silbe | Please give a single line each on what you've been working on and what you'll be doing next week. Thanks! |
| 17:47 | tch | tch: multi-selection / xs journal device / dx2-features list for dx3 |
| 17:48 | dirakx | dirakx: au activities bugs and custom development. |
| 17:48 | dfarning | is going to MVD to coordinate development expectations with Plan Ceibal and try to talk Flor de Ceibal into hosting and education focued summit this fall :) |
| 17:49 | alsroot sugar server. | |
| 17:49 | silbe | has been doing upstream work (Browse, code review, design work, ...) and will sort through the remaining patches in DX-2 that haven't been upstreamed yet. Plus Design Team meeting tomorrow (NM 0.9 port). |
| 17:49 | icarito | icarito: activities pack / catalogue + aslo |
| 17:50 | silbe | dfarning: MVD? |
| 17:50 | icarito | dirakx: I need an XO, do you as well? |
| 17:50 | dfarning: how do we go about it, contributor's program? | |
| 17:50 | dfarning | montivideo |
| 17:51 | dirakx | icarito: my xo machines are o.k for now. |
| 17:51 | icarito | ah ok i have a borrowed xo1 but would need an xo1.5 hopefully two to test collaboration |
| 17:51 | dirakx | icarito: Adam holt's contributor program would be a way to get one. |
| 17:51 | dfarning | icarito we have some 1.0s but we will have to ask adam for 1.5s |
| 17:52 | icarito | one xo 1.0 would be nice so I can return befana's (pilar from sl colombia) |
| 17:52 | dfarning | dirakx icarito I will follow up on our team xo needs |
| 17:52 | silbe | icarito: CP should be a no-brainer. Please give me a heads-up one day in advance of the meeting and I'll join in, just to be sure. |
| 17:52 | icarito | will go thru the contributors program for the 1.5 |
| 17:53 | cool thanks silbe | |
| 17:53 | thanks dfarning | |
| 17:53 | dirakx | +1 |
| 17:53 | silbe | icarito: but wait for dfarning first |
| 17:53 | icarito | yes I will |
| 17:53 | silbe | ok, any non-famous last words? |
| 17:53 | dirakx | is waiting for the xo 1.75 contributors program. :) |
| 17:54 | silbe | too :D |
| 17:54 | dfarning | going to the contributors meeting should be fun:) they ask if you organization has done anything to help olpc |
| 17:54 | dirakx | hehe. |
| 17:55 | dfarning | I get to say 'yes we have 8 developer working full time on the project:)' |
| 17:55 | silbe | lol |
| 17:55 | tch | i want mine too :( |
| 17:56 | dfarning | ok that looks like that about covers everything. |
| 17:56 | silbe | tch: huh? Where is yours? At customs? |
| 17:56 | dfarning | thanks guys. |
| 17:56 | silbe | ok, let's end the meeting then... |
| 17:56 | tch | I don't have a xo 1.75 |
| 17:56 | silbe | 3 |
| 17:56 | tch | i want one lol |
| 17:56 | dirakx | lol |
| 17:56 | silbe | 2 |
| 17:56 | tch | BOOM |
| 17:56 | silbe | 1 |
| 17:56 | 0 | |
| 17:56 | tch | -1 |
| 17:56 | silbe | -1 |
| 17:56 | #endmeeting | |
| 17:56 | meeting | Meeting ended Sat Jun 11 17:56:57 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 17:56 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-11T16:10:04.html | |
| 17:56 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-06-11T16:10:04 | |
| 17:57 | dirakx | thanks guys . |
| 17:57 | silbe | +1 |
| 17:57 | (on the thanks) | |
| 17:57 | dirakx | going to eat something. |
| 17:57 | tch | no, its -2 |
| 17:57 | lol | |
| 17:58 | silbe | Sorry for the joke. /me has been chasing a couple of off-by-one errors this week. |
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| 17:58 | silbe | (or off-by-two in one case) |
| 17:58 | dfarning | thinks I should be careful not not piss anyone off at olpc for a couple of weeks just to make sure we get some of the first 1.75s |
| 17:58 | silbe | <g> |
| 17:59 | dfarning | the best way for me to do that is probobly to go on a vacation :) |
| 17:59 | silbe | we've been promised XO-1.75s for the real-life Design Team meeting, whenever it's going to happen. |
| 18:03 | icarito | acaire11 wants an XO 1.5 too |
| 18:03 | silbe | icarito: I'm going to fetch some food now. If you like we can chat a bit about "Make activities work in Gnome" and the other way around afterwards. |
| 18:04 | icarito | silbe: i'm sorry I need to go |
| 18:05 | in the week is better for me | |
| 18:06 | will look for you then | |
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| 20:25 | bernie | tch, dirakx: yeah, i also think that going to f15 is premature... the gnome3 stuff is scary |
| 20:28 | alsroot | bernie: do we already solved issue w/ not having pygtk in gnome3 or f15 contains pygtk/gtk2 as well? |
| 20:37 | bernie: is http://git.sugarlabs.org/serve[…]/trees/master/etc obvious for you? | |
| 20:37 | btw | |
| 21:19 | dirakx | good question. |
| 21:40 | alsroot | dirakx: is it about 1st question or 2nd one? |
| 21:40 | :) | |
| 21:40 | dirakx | alsroot: both :) |
| 21:40 | i.e don't have too much info right know about the questions. | |
| 21:41 | alsroot | dirakx: the 2nd one, is just about is it obvious for you what kind of stuff is it (not whats the system it tries to configure) |
| 21:43 | dirakx | alsroot: for me those are costumizations scripts for the sugar-server project. |
| 21:43 | the hierarchy seems fine to me. | |
| 21:44 | alsroot | dirakx: do you understand well what this stuff tries to configure (not how in particular)? |
| 21:44 | ie what kind of system part | |
| 21:44 | dirakx | alsroot: for me it's o.k |
| 21:45 | yep sure. | |
| 21:45 | for example http://git.sugarlabs.org/serve[…]ster/etc/000.base is simple. | |
| 21:45 | alsroot | stamp it as "dirakx QAed" |
| 21:45 | dirakx | alsroot: haha, you have to take into count that i have some background on linux admin. |
| 21:46 | ;) | |
| 21:46 | alsroot: but yes +1 from me. | |
| 21:46 | alsroot | dirakx: I guess, the targeted audience also should have such background |
| 21:48 | dirakx | alsroot: ok sounds good. |
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