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| 14:00 | dirakx1 | hi |
| 14:01 | cjl | hola dirakx1 |
| 14:02 | bernie | dirakx1: hey |
| 14:02 | m_anish: no meeting today? | |
| 14:02 | dirakx1 | hi cjl bernie ;)!. |
| 14:02 | m_anish | bernie, hi! |
| 14:02 | dirakx1 | next week edujam..yuppi. |
| 14:03 | bernie | dirakx1: looking forward to meet you! |
| 14:03 | dirakx1 | bernie: +1..I'll buy you a beer surely. |
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| 14:03 | cjl | dirakx1: be sure bug sebastian about glibc locales :-) |
| 14:04 | m_anish | dirakx1, hola! |
| 14:04 | dirakx1 | cjl: sure, i think he is the right person to lead that task atm. |
| 14:04 | m_anish: hola hola. | |
| 14:04 | cjl | I've been in touch with GNU L10n team and they've offered help as well, but msotly you need a native-speaker |
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| 14:06 | dirakx1 | icarito: hola. |
| 14:07 | m_anish | + alsroot don't have a uy visa till now, fingers crossed :) |
| 14:07 | dirakx1 | icarito: I'm talking with cjl about glibc locales for aymara and quechua. |
| 14:08 | m_anish: that's bad any ETA for VIsa ?. | |
| 14:08 | m_anish | bernie, +1 for meeting, anyone up for chairing this weeks meeting |
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| 14:08 | cjl | dirakx1: I've been making good progress on Gnash in lang-es, but I'll be asking the L10n list for a review before upstreaming it. |
| 14:08 | m_anish | dirakx1, well there are two working days left Mon Tue to get a visa |
| 14:09 | cjl | Ah, didn't recognize icarito's real-world ID. . . |
| 14:09 | bernie | m_anish: i've got too much RSI today to type... so i'll just lurk |
| 14:10 | m_anish | bernie, ok |
| 14:10 | dirakx1 | m_anish: good luck then,,all this visa issues are really stupid imo. |
| 14:10 | these* | |
| 14:10 | m_anish | dirakx1, thanks! |
| 14:10 | cjl | sits quietly in back of room to allow meeting to proceed |
| 14:10 | m_anish | #startmeeting |
| 14:10 | meeting | Meeting started Sat Apr 30 14:10:51 2011 UTC. The chair is m_anish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:10 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 14:11 | m_anish | #topic status updates |
| 14:11 | dirakx1, you wanna do the honors? :) | |
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| 14:12 | dirakx1 | m_anish: yep. |
| 14:13 | so my updates are mostly documented here.http://openetherpad.org/EL5g7TqHEI | |
| 14:13 | I've been cleaning and fixing bugs for my activities..and have various fixes not upstreamed yet. | |
| 14:14 | now i have a narrowed down list of features asked to have on these activities. | |
| 14:14 | now I'm the official maintainer of speak and maze. /me happy. joshua granted me permission. | |
| 14:14 | m_anish | dirakx1, great! |
| 14:15 | dirakx1 | worked with gonzalo to have various patches to log..(avoiding spyware for example). |
| 14:15 | gonzalo has now access to some of wade's activities. | |
| 14:15 | m_anish | dirakx1, ah! the sending log thing |
| 14:16 | dirakx1 | and I'll work with him to have new versions of those activities. |
| 14:16 | m_anish | dirakx1, when are you arriving in uy? |
| 14:16 | dirakx1 | m_anish: yep. |
| 14:16 | m_anish: 5 may late night. | |
| 14:16 | approx 10pm | |
| 14:16 | m_anish: I'm staying in the che lagarto hostal. | |
| 14:17 | m_anish | dirakx1, ok, and till when are you in uy? |
| 14:17 | dirakx1 | m_anish: 11. but i depart early in the morning. |
| 14:18 | m_anish | dirakx1, ok. all in all, it sounds like you're making very good progress on the activities front :-) |
| 14:18 | dirakx1 | m_anish:yep. |
| 14:18 | ;) | |
| 14:18 | m_anish: when will you be in UY (after visa is granted ?) | |
| 14:18 | cjl | raises hand |
| 14:19 | m_anish | dirakx1, supposed to be there 4-16th |
| 14:19 | dirakx1 | m_anish: ok. |
| 14:19 | m_anish | cjl, yep :-)? |
| 14:19 | cjl | I guess this is an AC meeting, but I wanted t ocomment that fi the Honey templates in Pootle aren't fixed, you'll not get good lang-es L10n |
| 14:20 | Honey lang-es has too few strings right now. | |
| 14:20 | dirakx1 | cjl: hmm sure, you are right. I have to check what's happening there. |
| 14:21 | cjl | 6738 total words (instead fo the expected 7197) |
| 14:21 | Just wanted to point that out and thank dirakx1 for his work on Pootle | |
| 14:21 | sits down again in back of room | |
| 14:21 | dirakx1 | cjl: to you. thanks. |
| 14:22 | m_anish: lastly I'm working on the browse cache issue..I was expected to have some feedback about that. on sugar-devel. | |
| 14:22 | expecting. | |
| 14:23 | bernie | dirakx1: does the cache bloat even with normal usage? |
| 14:23 | dirakx1: i wouldn't expect that... | |
| 14:23 | dirakx1 | bernie: with normal usage it's o.k..problem seems to happen when trying to download big files. |
| 14:24 | bernie | dirakx1: ah ok.. then it's as i thought.... mozilla can't download files directly to a different location |
| 14:24 | m_anish | bernie, also, dirakx1, me tried to install f14's xulrunner into f11, too many missing deps :/ |
| 14:25 | dirakx1 | about xulrunner..yep it seems that it will have to wait to dx3 for an os update. |
| 14:26 | bernie: i was thinking in defining a cache policy in hulahop..as an approach to solve the issue. | |
| 14:26 | bernie | #link https://developer.mozilla.org/[…]nager_preferences |
| 14:26 | dirakx1 | bernie: thanks. |
| 14:28 | bernie: I'll check on that. | |
| 14:30 | bernie | dirakx1: there's an option called smart_size_cached_value... i can't find documentation for it, but if you google around it sounds like it may do what we wanted |
| 14:30 | dirakx1 | bernie: ok, seems fine. |
| 14:32 | bernie: just a Q, this should be added to hulahop or xulrunner ?. | |
| 14:37 | m_anish | bernie, dirakx1, should we also test the activities in silbe's dx3 build |
| 14:37 | dirakx1 | adds TODO. |
| 14:39 | m_anish | dirakx1, icarito_web I can help test on a xo1.5 if needed. /me opened a few dx3 platform bugs this week |
| 14:41 | dirakx1 | m_anish: I'm more interested on xo-1 testing..I have a working xo.1.5, my xo-1 is broken. |
| 14:41 | :(. | |
| 14:42 | m_anish | dirakx1, apparently the dx3 build doesn't work on a xo1 yet |
| 14:42 | looks for bug report | |
| 14:44 | dirakx1 | oh ok |
| 14:44 | m_anish | bugs.sl.o doesn't seem to be opening :/ |
| 14:44 | dirakx1, there is a problem with the xo1-dx3 build, it tries to install the wrong firmware (xo1.5) afterwards | |
| 14:45 | icarito_web | dirakx1: this is a bug, we need some XOs |
| 14:45 | I'm using befana's xo-1 I borrowed too long ago | |
| 14:45 | dirakx1: lets ask for some @ contributor's program | |
| 14:46 | dirakx1 | icarito_web: good idea...dunno if they have xo-1 in stock. |
| 14:46 | cjl | dirakx1: ping an e-mail to Holt (or ask him in UY) |
| 14:47 | dirakx1 | cjl: right. |
| 14:47 | m_anish: for now xo-1.5 activity testing should do. | |
| 14:48 | icarito_web | actually its not hard to follow contributor's program procedure |
| 14:48 | m_anish | dirakx1, yep :) |
| 14:48 | bernie | dirakx1: i think there's a .js file with the xulrunner preferences somewhere in the Browse activity |
| 14:48 | dirakx1: hulahop is just a wrapper around mozembed, i think | |
| 14:49 | dirakx1 | bernie: yep, it is part of hulahop../usr/share/hulahop/..pref.js iirc |
| 14:49 | bernie: at least that's what simon told me. | |
| 14:51 | bernie: http://git.sugarlabs.org/hulah[…]/data/prefs.js.in | |
| 14:52 | aiui, you can set it there for all laptops (if you package a new hulahop) or set a new pref in about:config setting individually per each laptop. | |
| 14:53 | but I guess is the same for xulrunner then..;(- | |
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| 14:55 | bernie | dirakx1: you could experiment with about:config until you find the setting that fixes the bug, then change prefs.js in hulahop |
| 14:56 | dirakx1: we could carry a forked version of hulahop in dextrose if upstream isn't fast enough in applying the patch | |
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| 14:56 | dirakx1 | bernie: o.k. |
| 14:56 | :) | |
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| 14:56 | bernie | m_anish: i'm replying to christoph's post about various journal problems |
| 14:56 | m_anish: the multiple selection thing is something we could really try to get done on during the sugar camp | |
| 14:57 | m_anish: there's enough critical mass | |
| 14:57 | m_anish | bernie, +1, and ponder over some dx3 todo's |
| 14:58 | dirakx1 | a journal improvement is a must. |
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| 14:59 | dirakx1 | some people in UY has been expressing some bad feedback about it, last week. (just commenting). |
| 15:00 | m_anish | bernie, also, do you think we could work towards getting stuff upstreamed? need to check with silbe though. |
| 15:00 | dirakx1, http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2803 is the ticket :) | |
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| 15:00 | dirakx1 | m_anish: ok |
| 15:01 | bernie | m_anish: i guess we could resend all our old patches in small batches. |
| 15:01 | m_anish | #link http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/quer[…]one&keywords=~dx3 |
| 15:01 | bernie | m_anish: perhaps silbe is already doing it... i don't know |
| 15:01 | m_anish | dirakx1, when opening dx3 activity bugs, pl give them dx3 keywords, so they are easy to track :) |
| 15:02 | bernie, yep,need to check with silbe. | |
| 15:03 | dirakx1 | m_anish: +1. I'll do that. |
| 15:04 | m_anish | quick update from me: (1) me and tch have been getting together once a week for the past few weeks to figure out py specific priority issues. There are some new patches on the dx-ml that I have to commit to dx/mainline (reviews would be appreciated ;-) ) |
| 15:05 | (2) tested the dx3 build and filed tickets | |
| 15:06 | bernie | guys, i have to drop off the meeting, sorry |
| 15:06 | m_anish | that's mostly it, the rest is just internal discussions atm with pacita et al. that haven't taken shape yet |
| 15:06 | bernie | leaves |
| 15:06 | m_anish | bernie, np, chau! |
| 15:06 | dirakx1 | bernie: ciao. |
| 15:06 | m_anish: great work.. | |
| 15:06 | m_anish | lately, tch has become a hacking machine :))) |
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| 15:07 | dirakx1 | he!. yep. he is unstoppable. |
| 15:08 | m_anish | dirakx1, that's it from me, icarito_web any specific updates? :) |
| 15:10 | dirakx1, anything else on the agenda :) ? | |
| 15:11 | dirakx1 | m_anish: nop from my part, for now. |
| 15:11 | m_anish | dirakx1, ok then :) |
| 15:11 | #endmeeting | |
| 15:11 | meeting | Meeting ended Sat Apr 30 15:11:37 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:11 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-30T14:10:51.html | |
| 15:11 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-04-30T14:10:51 | |
| 15:11 | dirakx1 | thanks m_anish ;) |
| 15:11 | m_anish | dirakx1, bernie icarito_web thanks! |
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| 15:12 | cjl | dirakx1: see http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2724 on Honey templates |
| 15:13 | silbe | sorry to be late, had some trouble setting up the internet connection via POTS modem (33.6kbit/s :-/ )... |
| 15:13 | cjl | dirakx1: I'd be happy to work with you to debug, but I'm guessing it is in some .ini file or something |
| 15:14 | silbe >Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-04-30T14:10:51 | |
| 15:14 | silbe | cjl: thx, starting to read backlog. |
| 15:14 | dirakx1 | cjl: this really had me thinking..because on the cronjob side and everything seems o.k, my thought is that there must be repo c onflicts for some activities. |
| 15:15 | hi silbe | |
| 15:15 | cjl | could be |
| 15:15 | dirakx1 | cjl: I'll keep you posted then. |
| 15:17 | cjl | dirakx1: great, BTW I use Yoruba Honey update from templates as a test case |
| 15:18 | silbe | re. DX3 not working on XO-1, IIRC there's a typo in one of the XO-1 config files that tells it to install XO-1.5 stuff that I haven't fixed yet. Should be easy enough to fix. |
| 15:20 | BTW, if somebody could set up an F14 VM for building DX-3 on a Sugar Labs server (e.g. bender) that would be appreciated. With my new internet connection uploading images in the various formats would take ages. | |
| 15:22 | bernie: isn't SL upstream for hulahop anyway? (re. shipping a forked hulahop version for a bug fix) | |
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| 15:23 | dirakx1 | silbe: yes..but not for dextrose. |
| 15:23 | for AC. i mean. | |
| 15:23 | cjl | dirakx1: I'm going outside to enjoy a beautiful day by chainsawing up firewood for next winter, catch you later. |
| 15:23 | silbe | bernie: No need to resend patches, I'm picking & porting them from DX2 - started to pick up my patch backlog a few days ago. |
| 15:23 | dirakx1 | cjl: good luck..see you later. |
| 15:23 | cjl | hope to have all fingers later on. . . |
| 15:24 | dirakx1 | cjl: be carefull!, |
| 15:25 | cjl | dirakx1: por supuesto. |
| 15:25 | silbe | dirakx1: IIRC the Fedora maintainer for hulahop is an SL member as well (Peter?), so once we have the fix and it's obviously correct (so it passes review), getting an updated package should only be a matter of poking a few people. |
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| 15:26 | silbe | just noticed he's 1h+15min late, not just 15min :-/ |
| 15:27 | apparently adjusted for DST changes twice, sorry. | |
| 15:29 | m_anish: thank for testing DX3 and filing all the tickets. You guys have been really productive. | |
| 15:29 | m_anish: we should meet some time next week to discuss those tickets. | |
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| 15:34 | silbe | m_anish, tch: e.g. I'd hold off on connectivity related features for DX-3 and instead start defining a new architecture based on NetworkManager 0.9 for Sugar 0.94 (=> DX-4). We can borrow code from the old implementation where it makes sense, but the current code structure is a bit too ad-hoc and historically grown for my taste. |
| 15:35 | Or to put it differently: I tried to change the current code to support connecting sharing for ethernet based uplinks and failed. | |
| 15:38 | tch | silbe: based on NM 0.9 or 0.7/0.8? |
| 15:38 | silbe | m_anish, tch: if we start working with upstream now, they might add support for automatic connection to Ad Hoc networks (something we currently do on the Sugar side) in time for DX-4. That would get rid of a nice chunk of code. |
| 15:39 | tch: based on 0.9 where there's no user settings anymore | |
| 15:39 | tch | silbe: oh, I seriously have to catch up with it |
| 15:40 | silbe | that change is a good opportunity to re-think our design decisions instead of just "porting" our code over |
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| 15:42 | silbe | right now, connections set up in Gnome and Sugar don't really mix. I can't configure something in Gnome that Sugar doesn't support (e.g. 802.1x authentication for WiFi) and use that connection within Sugar (even if it's a system connection). |
| 15:43 | tch | silbe: that because the settings manager was part of nm-applet, and since we don't use it in sugar, they had to recreate the whole settings service |
| 15:44 | silbe: i know because it was painful to be able to store the 3G connections haha | |
| 15:44 | silbe | tch: it's more than that. Sugar provides a connection for all APs it sees and assumes those are the ones that get used. |
| 15:45 | tch: so if you already have a system connection for an AP, there will be two different connection for it, potentially even with the same name (though that part probably doesn't make a difference). | |
| 15:47 | yama | silbe: this sounds like something we've (OLPC AU) really wanted for some time |
| 15:48 | silbe | it leads to weird effects like a second AP symbol appearing out of nowhere and using the user connection (provided by Sugar) instead of the system one that has all the authentication details. |
| 15:48 | yama | does this mean that the plan is to have Sugar fully use NetworkManager directly for all networking? |
| 15:49 | that would save us a lot of duplicate work | |
| 15:50 | tch | Sugar already uses NM directly, is just the way we store the connections details that changed I assume (and probably the API) |
| 15:51 | yama | and that's the problem |
| 15:51 | tch | yup, |
| 15:51 | yama | we have to deal with bssids, connecting in both sugar and gnome, etc |
| 15:51 | silbe | yama: Sugar already does use NetworkManager - we'll need to do very similar things for NM 0.9 that we already do for NM 0.8. The difference is that in the future a) all connection settings are stored inside NM (that's the 0.8 -> 0.9 API change) and b) we need to stop assuming that Sugar is the only source of connections. |
| 15:52 | yama | brilliant |
| 15:52 | silbe | yama: In theory, we could do b) even with NM 0.8, but it looks easier to achieve for 0.9. |
| 15:52 | tch | sounds a sane design ;) |
| 15:53 | s/a/like a | |
| 15:53 | yama | so once this is complete, can I assume that all connections will be handled in the same way in both sugar and gnome? |
| 15:53 | (sorry for annoying questions, just seeking clarity) | |
| 15:53 | tch | yama: they should be, if we want to handle network in sugar using NM |
| 15:53 | s/network/networking | |
| 15:54 | yama | and it will be set as a system connection? |
| 15:54 | so the OS can use it too? | |
| 15:54 | silbe | yama: more or less. You could use the same connections, but some configuration parameters would only be changeable using a non-Sugar NM client (e.g. Gnome) or a text editor. |
| 15:54 | tch | yama: not sure about that, i haven't seen the details yet |
| 15:54 | yama | we're currently doing this manually in our builds |
| 15:55 | silbe | yama: NM 0.9 doesn't have a distinction between user and system settings anymore, just ACLs saying who can see and/or use a connection. |
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| 15:55 | silbe | given Sugars audience, we would grant access to all local users by default. |
| 15:55 | tch | silbe: i am just happy they removed the settings control out side of nm-applet ;) lets see how much it takes us to adapt to it] |
| 15:57 | silbe | tch: if we use the opportunity to change our design instead of just adapting to the new API, it should be easy enough (but still quite a bit of work, of course). |
| 15:57 | yama | ok, so I'll reframe my question to be more user-centric: if I make a connection in Sugar, it will be fully usable by GNOME? It sounds like it will be. |
| 15:57 | tch | silbe: it sounds good for a long term project :) But i think would have to live with the current stuff at least for a year |
| 15:58 | silbe | yama: Yes, it would. |
| 15:58 | yama | brilliant. This is crucial to our deployments |
| 15:59 | tch | is a brilliant move from NM crew, painful for developers but necessary in the long term |
| 15:59 | yama | at least one state in Australia uses BSSIDs on their WAPs (don't ask me why...) |
| 16:00 | so full NM support would assist | |
| 16:00 | silbe | tch: AFAICT DX-4 will be be based on a version of Fedora that ships NM 0.9+. "Porting" the current code to 0.9 is likely to be more work than redoing it and copying the code that still fits. |
| 16:01 | yama: not just in Australia it seems. Support for hidden SSIDs comes up regularly. | |
| 16:01 | tch | silbe: guess I need to look into the NM 0.9 documentation to give any opinion hehe |
| 16:01 | yama | is there a bug report I can track about this? |
| 16:02 | I think I've found it: #1884 | |
| 16:02 | tch | i wouldn't discard having the "connect to hidden .." feature for dx3 though.. ;) |
| 16:03 | we could already tackle the GUI details at least | |
| 16:03 | yama | I was thinking as a hack to write an activity that just launched the nm-connection-editor |
| 16:03 | but a real sugar gui is needed | |
| 16:04 | tch | +` |
| 16:04 | +1 //sorry new keyboard haha | |
| 16:04 | brb, reboot needed | |
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| 16:04 | silbe | tch: one thing we'll need to be careful about with the new design (both code and UI) is the distinction between APs / GSM modems / ethernet ports and connections. Right now Sugar assumes a 1:1 mapping. That doesn't hold for not-too-uncommon cases like hidden SSIDs or uplink via ethernet vs. ad-hoc networking via ethernet. |
| 16:06 | tch: Hidden SSID support is a whole can of worms. If it turns out we can ship a small enough patch for DX-3, I'd be in favour. But there's a good chance the patch size would be in vicinity of the size of the existing code... | |
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| 16:11 | tch | back |
| 16:13 | yama | We have to deal with some weird network setups. One requires support for DHCP option 119 for DNS to work properly (http://dev.laptop.org.au/issues/350). The alternative is messy (http://dev.laptop.org.au/issues/550). Summary is that letting NM manage the connections will make this all easier to handle. |
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| 16:33 | tch | yama: so, it is possible to connect to these network from gnome, right? |
| 16:33 | silbe | we need to go now. I'll be back tomorrow in time for the Design Team meeting, maybe earlier. Have fun everyone! |
| 16:34 | tch | silbe: see ya! take care |
| 16:34 | yama | tch: I just hacked up http://dev.laptop.org.au/attac[…]orkConnections.xo |
| 16:34 | bye silbe | |
| 16:34 | silbe | tch: thx, you too |
| 16:34 | yama | tch: yes, we can connect from gnome |
| 16:35 | silbe | yama: bye |
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| 16:36 | yama | for these more difficult networks, our solution right now is to configure a connection through nm-connection-editor and tick "Available to all users" (i.e. make it a system setting) |
| 16:37 | it's annoying to have to switch to GNOME just to configure the network | |
| 16:37 | so http://dev.laptop.org.au/issues/434 exists :) | |
| 16:37 | tch | yama: that is a nice hack btw, |
| 16:38 | yama | haha I really can't claim much credit. I just hacked http://wiki.laptop.org/go/ExecCommand |
| 16:38 | only took a minute | |
| 16:44 | tch | yama: is there any other difficulties that you guys are facing? (on the networking field) |
| 16:45 | yama: is the hidden networks are your main headache ? | |
| 16:46 | s/is/are | |
| 16:47 | yama | I think the NM 0.9 stuff will be of great use to us because of BSSIDs and DHCP option 119. |
| 16:48 | the most annoying problem is getting the network settings onto all the XOs in the first place | |
| 16:48 | i.e. teacher receives XOs, then has to enter network settings into each one | |
| 16:49 | more specifically, the most annoying subset of that problem is configuring network proxies | |
| 16:49 | schools here don't use transparent proxies | |
| 16:49 | and some have authenticated proxies | |
| 16:49 | the proxy address can be different per school | |
| 16:50 | and if each child has their own password, that will be unique per XO | |
| 16:50 | just trying to dig up some info | |
| 16:50 | tch | sounds really painful, |
| 16:51 | yama | indeed :( |
| 16:52 | take a look at this: http://dev.laptop.org.au/issues/337 | |
| 16:52 | tch | but, regardless of which version of NM we use (and how we store the connection settings) we would still need to think about how to extend the sugar GUI work with these cases |
| 16:52 | yama | yes, there are GUI considerations |
| 16:52 | tch | do you guys have any design on your wishlist? |
| 16:53 | yama | haven't had a chance to think about GUIs |
| 16:54 | in relation to the link I just posted, the proxy must be defined in a few different places for the system to properly get online | |
| 16:54 | gnome and browse use gconf | |
| 16:54 | but sugar uses the http_proxy env variable | |
| 16:56 | we've implemeted a hack in our builds to populate http_proxy when the proxy is set/changed in gnome | |
| 16:57 | the best we can do is tell users to set their proxy in gnome | |
| 16:57 | and the were setting it, which made Browse and all of GNOME work | |
| 16:57 | but the rest of sugar (software update, etc.) would not | |
| 16:57 | tch | yeah, just saw the comments, apparently you have a patch to solve that too |
| 16:57 | yama | yes |
| 16:58 | but I think the best way forwards is for Sugar to get proxy settings from gconf rather than http_proxy | |
| 16:59 | http://dev.laptop.org.au/issues/429 | |
| 17:04 | tch | i don't fully understand the details, but I suspect that there is a lot of things that nm-applet handle and sugar network model doesn't... |
| 17:04 | yama | the proxy thing is not related to nm |
| 17:05 | the problem is that Sugar doesn't use the same proxy config as GNOME | |
| 17:08 | I just created an SL report for it: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2821 | |
| 17:08 | tch | great :) |
| 17:10 | yama | that's an important one for us to fix |
| 17:11 | I think in the meanwhile I'll make an activity that launches gnome-network-properties | |
| 17:12 | which, combined with our hack, will mean that the settings put in there will set http_proxy for sugar to use | |
| 17:13 | tch | yama: yup, and there is a strong design factor to get it included in sugar... the sooner we start that discussion the better.. |
| 17:13 | yama: i mean, handling all these settings (from the GUI) | |
| 17:14 | yama | yes agreed |
| 17:15 | tch | the backend can change or be rewritten later, but the strong discussion is on GUI level.. |
| 17:16 | i have to for now, thanks for the feedback :) | |
| 17:16 | nice hacks again (to you and jerry) ;) | |
| 17:17 | s/to for/to go for/ //lol | |
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