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| 14:03 | walterbender | hi silbe |
| 14:05 | silbe | walterbender: hi! |
| 14:09 | bernie | walterbender, silbe: hi |
| 14:09 | walterbender | bernie: good morning... |
| 14:10 | silbe | bernie: hey! Going to participate in the Design Team meeting? We're still waiting for Gary and Christian... |
| 14:12 | bernie | silbe: actually, i came for the website meeting which will start in 1h, i think |
| 14:12 | silbe | ah, ok :) |
| 14:12 | bernie | silbe: i always lurk in the design team meetings... |
| 14:13 | silbe | bernie: always a good idea :) |
| 14:17 | bernie | silbe: ah, you would like this: http://googleonlinesecurity.bl[…]ate-security.html |
| 14:17 | walterbender | silbe: how is the git datastore coming along? |
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| 14:18 | bernie | git datastore? |
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| 14:20 | silbe | walterbender: just passed the test suite. Next step is retrieving the metadata from disk instead of caching it in memory. Data storage + retrieval and search (Xapian index) already work as intended. |
| 14:21 | walterbender | silbe: It could be very cool |
| 14:21 | silbe | walterbender: run-time is about 200% of the current data store; haven't check disk space and RAM usage yet. |
| 14:22 | walterbender: don't expect too much of it - the version model used for the data store is different from traditional VCSs, so you can't use it like a regular git repository. No push or pull. | |
| 14:23 | walterbender | well, I'd think that we'd win in terms of stability and maintainability with a git backend |
| 14:23 | silbe | also git still has issues with large objects. The impact on XO-1.5 might be limited (RAM is probably about as big as the amount of free disk space). |
| 14:24 | walterbender: that's my hope. | |
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| 14:26 | silbe | bernie: oh great, another crutch for the broken CA-based system |
| 14:26 | garycmartin: hey! | |
| 14:27 | garycmartin | silbe: Hi, afternoon! |
| 14:31 | walterbender | garycmartin: I can only stay about 30 more minutes :P |
| 14:33 | garycmartin | walterbender: Hi. Ahhh, darn. Anyone seen Christian about just now? |
| 14:33 | walterbender | not yet |
| 14:33 | garycmartin: maybe we can review some of the icon questions? | |
| 14:34 | did you see Gonzolo's list? | |
| 14:34 | garycmartin | walterbender: yes, just digging up the email again now. |
| 14:36 | walterbender | About icons, I think we need a agreement with: * New items (for example Implode use the star, and the star is our icon for bookmarks) * Save to journal / export (turtle art use the transfer style icons) * View icon (the eye is used for sensors in turtle art, maybe use the sensors icon in Measure?) * Photo / Camera / mic icons * The lips (i am trying to use them for text to speech, but is used in Measure) * User created content (when use |
| 14:36 | garycmartin | walterbender: got it. |
| 14:36 | walterbender | should have used pastie |
| 14:37 | garycmartin | walterbender: could take a while to grab a screenshot of every toolbar, but would be a nice resource/reference at least for what we consider core activities :-) |
| 14:38 | walterbender | yes... we could divide and conquer :) |
| 14:38 | garycmartin | walterbender: silbe we could start meeting now and re-visit when Christian gets here (15:00 UTC)? |
| 14:38 | walterbender | just tell me the format you want |
| 14:39 | is yet again confused about time... I thought it was 15:39 UTC | |
| 14:39 | so much for trusting google calendar | |
| 14:40 | garycmartin | walterbender: we should stick to the XO resolution, or perhaps 1024x768 to make it easier for grabbing from VMs, at least we need to pick a size. |
| 14:40 | walterbender | garycmartin: either works for me... |
| 14:40 | garycmartin: and we crop to the toolbar? or show the whole image? | |
| 14:41 | garycmartin | walterbender: it is 15:40 for GMT+1 aka BST (me just now in the UK). UTC = GMT+00 |
| 14:41 | walterbender | and every toolbar in the activity? |
| 14:41 | silbe | garycmartin: all fine with me |
| 14:41 | garycmartin | #startmeeting |
| 14:41 | meeting | Meeting started Sun Apr 10 14:41:44 2011 UTC. The chair is garycmartin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:41 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 14:42 | garycmartin | OK, diving right in. |
| 14:43 | OK, so getting toolbar images for resource/reference use, need to pick a standard resolution 1200x900 or 1024x768, PNG format is good for me, screen grab of each toolbar in an activity, cropped to just show the toolbar. | |
| 14:44 | walterbender | +1 |
| 14:44 | garycmartin | A core 10 or 20 activitirities would be a good start for a reference. |
| 14:44 | walterbender | how do we divy up the work? |
| 14:45 | garycmartin | While we are talking toolbar icons, there are some cases where developers have used sugar-artwork icons that are in the wrong named category and designed for non toolbar placement. |
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| 14:46 | sv | nick/ seba |
| 14:47 | garycmartin | So we have some icons that are now being used for the wrong placement (notification icons used for toolbar buttons, system search being used as a toolbar button, etc). |
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| 14:50 | garycmartin | walterbender: re: divvy up... How about it time, if you're willing ;-) you have 3 days to email me a bunch of toolbar screen grabs that you have easy access to. Then once I get your email I'll grab some more to fill in the gaps. By next meeting we can have a contact sheet to look at. |
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| 14:50 | walterbender | garycmartin: will do |
| 14:51 | garycmartin | walterbender: what res do you run your emulator at? |
| 14:51 | walterbender | garycmartin: I think the root cause of the misuse is that we are lacking proper icons for common functions |
| 14:52 | garycmartin: I typically run my vm at 1024x768 | |
| 14:52 | garycmartin | or XO res is fine if you have one to hand. |
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| 14:54 | garycmartin | #action walterbender to grab some toolbar screen shots @ 1024x768 and email them to garycmartin mid week, who will try to fill in gaps/get more and make a contact sheet of them all for resource/reference |
| 14:55 | walterbender | garycmartin: be nice to somehow correlate the buttons with their intended actions too... |
| 14:56 | garycmartin: e.g., 'new game', 'save to Journal'... | |
| 14:56 | not sure it will be apparent from just looking. | |
| 14:56 | but it is a start | |
| 14:57 | garycmartin | walterbender: re lack of proper icons, also seems a number of icons should be duplicated in sugar-artwork with different names to future proof us from design changes. I was suprised to find the Journal and Browse were all using the favourite-emblem badge for their toolbar ;-) |
| 14:57 | walterbender | good point |
| 15:00 | silbe | garycmartin: apropos Journal icons, did you have some time to work on the Backup / Restore ones? |
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| 15:01 | garycmartin | walterbender: Regarding the create/modify activity icon discussions, I've been thinking it leaks into the idea of preferences/options/config depending how flexible the create/modify features are. Example, Abacus seems more like a set of preferences for customising the abacus, where as Memorize goes much deeper in creative flexibility. |
| 15:02 | silbe: sorry, no. Some what sidelined, but I did dig out the folder with the previous work, sitting on my desktop awaiting action ;-) | |
| 15:02 | walterbender | garycmartin: it seems to be configure the activity (Abacus), create new content for the activity (Memorize), modify the activity itself (Turtle Art) |
| 15:04 | silbe | garycmartin: thanks! It's not high priority, but I feel a bit bad about the current state of Backup / Restore. They're not as "user-friendly" as I'd like them to be. Better icons would at least make them look a tad nicer. ;) |
| 15:05 | garycmartin | walterbender: I wonder which, or how many of these would fit a standard icon to use in all cases. The activity icon with a sparkle motif in one corner seems like the correct 'New content" but that would be activity specific (something to describe in the HIG, and perhaps provide a template for). |
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| 15:05 | garycmartin | silbe: Agreed, I'll try and shimmy them up my todo list. |
| 15:06 | silbe | garycmartin: great! |
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| 15:07 | walterbender | is not sure which icon you mean... the one that looks like the Etoy's icon? Doesn't mean much to me. |
| 15:07 | jt4sugar | Hi sorry to interupt did design start at 10amest or at 11 |
| 15:07 | garycmartin | walterbender: can't remember if I posted a link to Memorize with the cog icon for create/modify toolbar. |
| 15:07 | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]misation_features | |
| 15:08 | walterbender: in that mockup, to the right of the cog is the memorize activity icon with a spark in the bottom right corner. | |
| 15:10 | walterbender: I've used it in this mockup to start playing a new game, not as erase all quiz content and let me build a new set of questions, something else to worry about confusing... | |
| 15:12 | jt4sugar: Hi! Sorry we started 30min early as walterbender needs to leave soon, but we can back track if needed. Officially we should have started 11min ago. | |
| 15:14 | jt4sugar | We were meeting after yours just hadnt heard back from Christian exact time would be 12est then-thanks |
| 15:16 | garycmartin | walterbender: how do you feel about your TA/TB import and export icon use (the send to friend style design)? Gonzalo would seem to dislike re-using that metaphor. |
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| 15:17 | walterbender | garycmartin: I am not married to them... but they were the best of what we had to choose from at the moment |
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| 15:18 | walterbender | garycmartin: I have a secondary problem too: sometimes I am loading from the Journal... sometimes from the filesystem |
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| 15:18 | igod | = dogi on the phone ... |
| 15:18 | garycmartin | walterbender: Oooh, what's the filesystem case? Is this to do with running in Gnome desktop? |
| 15:19 | walterbender | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:TAimport.png is an example |
| 15:19 | loading sample code | |
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| 15:19 | garycmartin | walterbender: loading sample code NOT from the Journal? |
| 15:20 | walterbender | yes |
| 15:20 | garycmartin | tut, tut... ;-) |
| 15:20 | walterbender | we never resolved that issue |
| 15:20 | silbe | garycmartin: have we decided on what to do with activity-shipped example entries yet? |
| 15:20 | or distro shipped even | |
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| 15:21 | garycmartin | walterbender: how about considering a Journal feature that allows importing/exporting filesystem objects (would be considered an advanced feature). This way we solve it for all activities. |
| 15:23 | this goes back to discussions years back about allowing the Journal to browse the base FS. | |
| 15:23 | walterbender | garycmartin: I am not sure how it would work... |
| 15:23 | garycmartin: but meanwhile, I needed something for TA/TB. | |
| 15:23 | garycmartin | walterbender: what is your use case where the Sugar Journal is not good enough? |
| 15:24 | walterbender | garycmartin: at one point I copied objects into the Journal on install, but that generated spam. Now I only copy the objects in once they have been used. |
| 15:25 | garycmartin: with TA, I'd be creating on the order of 50 new objects in your Journal that you didn't create yourself... verboden, I thought | |
| 15:25 | silbe | garycmartin: we already have that: the Journal view for storage media, copy-to-journal, copy-from-journal. Are you talking about showing a view for the root fs? |
| 15:25 | walterbender | silbe: so the idea would be to copy the same to the Journal from some Journal interface, not from the activity itself? |
| 15:26 | garycmartin | walterbender: sorry, do these icons just add the stubb python code into the Journal, or do they raise a fs browser of some kind? |
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| 15:26 | silbe | walterbender: don't know. I just listed what's already then, to get a clearer view on what garycmartin might want to do. |
| 15:26 | s/then/there/ | |
| 15:26 | walterbender | garycmartin: I have two directories full of sample code: python customization code and sample projects |
| 15:27 | garycmartin: when you select the python icon with the arrow on the toolbar (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:TAimport.png) you get a filesystem chooser to select Python code | |
| 15:28 | once you select it, it is loaded into your program and into the Journal | |
| 15:28 | same with the TA project code | |
| 15:28 | garycmartin | walterbender: could you net present these as a set of projects/templates within TA to choose from (like Pippy has it's side bar tree view, and Memorize has it's drop down list of sample quiz games)? |
| 15:28 | (net -> not) | |
| 15:29 | walterbender | garycmartin: I suppose I could, but frankly, I find those interfaces much more clumsy than a chooser. |
| 15:29 | and they don't make it any easier for customization by the end user | |
| 15:30 | garycmartin | another example EToys and it's startup 'pick a project or start a new one' type thing. |
| 15:30 | walterbender | garycmartin: I could do something more visual, like that... |
| 15:32 | garycmartin: I'll still need a toolbar icon to invoke it :) | |
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| 15:35 | garycmartin | silbe: re Journal view for storage media, yes that was just the kind of flow I was thinking could work for folks who need to pull in data form non Journal workflows (nice for VM users as well). Would require a widget for getting to the 'root fs' as you put it, needs some thought not to be scary and overcomplicate the Journal UI (i.e. I'd not want to show the bottom volume bar all the time just so local volume/s could be accessed). |
| 15:35 | walterbender | garycmartin: I'll have to think about it and make some sketches |
| 15:36 | garycmartin | walterbender: I could go for a standard toolbar visual for invoking a gallery of demos/templates! ;-) |
| 15:36 | walterbender | garycmartin: not sure why it would be so different from a local volume button along side the removeable volume buttons that appear |
| 15:37 | garycmartin: +1 to the new visual (regardless of how the activity invokes it) | |
| 15:37 | garycmartin | walterbender: re 'not sure why it would be so different from...' No I agree, it should not be so different, but eating that bottom area of the Journal with a tray all the time just to show root fs seems way too nerdy/hacky for 99.9 of our target users. |
| 15:38 | silbe | garycmartin: we should should show it the same way we show the other file system (storage media) views. Using a secondary toolbar (at the top) instead of the bottom toolbar might be an idea if you don't want it to take up space all the time. |
| 15:39 | walterbender | garycmartin: not so sure... perhaps it wouldn't be there for XO users without GNOME switching enabled, but I think most VM users would want it |
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| 15:40 | garycmartin | #action mockup some ideas on a system standard Activity toolbar visual for raising a gallery of demo/template projects (e.g TA/TB, Memorize, EToys, Abacus). |
| 15:41 | walterbender: most VM users are not our target users... They are us nerds, geeks, hackers. | |
| 15:41 | dogi_ | garycmartin, +1 |
| 15:41 | walterbender | garycmartin: not sure about that down the road... might be the way lots of kids get access... easier than SoaS |
| 15:41 | silbe | garycmartin: not trying to divert the discussion, but we should think a bit more about the examples "problem" some time. I don't think any of the existing solutions (copy entries on first start, use file system chooser, show side bar) is particularly elegant. Maybe we should investigate the Action View vs. Object View split of the HIG a bit more and work on that. E.g. we'd show the individual examples in the Object View and an "added example |
| 15:41 | dogi_ | and hopefully some knowledged teachers |
| 15:42 | walterbender | silbe: yes... I agree that the current set of options for examples are all less than satisfactory |
| 15:44 | has to run... | |
| 15:45 | silbe | walterbender: cu |
| 15:47 | garycmartin | silbe: the 'examples problem' would be a good one to resolve a standard for, a number of activities try to do this in different ways. If only we had a chooser that showed nice (developer selected) thumbnails of examples/projects/demos/content. I guess the other option I missed is the Record/Browse tray UI. This could make a rather nice standard way to select both Journal objects (as in Record), and locally baked in objects/data... |
| 15:48 | waves to walterbender | |
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| 15:49 | garycmartin | silbe: did you see Christian appear and then disappear again a while back? |
| 15:50 | silbe | garycmartin: an Object Chooser lookalike for in-activity use (accessing a local file system directory instead of the Journal) might be another idea, yep. |
| 15:50 | garycmartin: yes, I did. 15:21 - 15:26 UTC. | |
| 15:51 | maybe he got called away? | |
| 15:51 | garycmartin | silbe: thanks, just worried my irc connection might have been split. |
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| 15:54 | silbe | garycmartin: should we finish the meeting? |
| 15:55 | garycmartin | #action consider implications of allowing access to root fs via the Journal bottom tray (as is now done for external devices) |
| 15:55 | silbe: Guess so, there is another meeting next up I think. | |
| 15:56 | Same time, same place next week! | |
| 15:56 | silbe | garycmartin: +1 |
| 15:56 | garycmartin | #endmeeting |
| 15:56 | meeting | Meeting ended Sun Apr 10 15:56:48 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:56 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-10T14:41:44.html | |
| 15:56 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-04-10T14:41:44 | |
| 15:57 | garycmartin | Thanks silbe! |
| 15:57 | silbe | garycmartin: thanks back! |
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| 16:01 | geirea | ready for vuelta ciclista meeting! |
| 16:01 | christianmarcsch | hi everyone |
| 16:01 | geirea | hi |
| 16:02 | svallejo | hi |
| 16:02 | SeanDaly | hi all |
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| 16:03 | JT_4sugar | Hello all-Sean can you make a log of this |
| 16:03 | SeanDaly | #startmeeting |
| 16:03 | meeting | Meeting started Sun Apr 10 16:03:46 2011 UTC. The chair is SeanDaly. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 16:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 16:04 | JT_4sugar | christianmarcsch, I believe you have read the emails can you try to lead us through to info you need |
| 16:05 | igod | = dogi from the phone ... |
| 16:05 | christianmarcsch | JT_4sugar: it would be great if someone could recap |
| 16:05 | igod | hi all |
| 16:05 | geirea | i can explain what's the setup right now |
| 16:05 | christianmarcsch | geirea: thanks |
| 16:06 | geirea | we had a lot of crazy ideas, but the one that has been realized so far is this: |
| 16:07 | there will be a contest of chronicle-like entries for children about how they witness the race as it passes by their cities or towns | |
| 16:07 | each entry should be written like a news article with photographs | |
| 16:08 | the kids send the article to an email address | |
| 16:08 | we are asking for format: either text and photos as attachment, or a Write file | |
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| 16:09 | geirea | the contest will be announced this wednesday at the kids' supplement of the main national newspaper |
| 16:09 | and volunteers will hang posters in schools around the country | |
| 16:10 | the newspaper is offering some prizes like two bikes, pendrives, etc | |
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| 16:10 | geirea | this is what we have so far |
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| 16:10 | dogi_ | back on tvdesktop |
| 16:11 | christianmarcsch | geriea: sounds interesting |
| 16:11 | SeanDaly | so some questions looking for answers: how to filter/moderate e-mails, how to transform e-mails to e.g. blog posts (or online in another format) |
| 16:12 | geirea | now the idea would be to have a website where the entries can be published |
| 16:12 | dogi_ | backlog ... http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]1-04-10#i_2656401 |
| 16:12 | geirea, +1 | |
| 16:13 | geirea | we can have volunteers to review the entries before posting, but ideally we would need a tool to convert the emails to (unpublished) blog entries |
| 16:13 | christianmarcsch | the thought was that we could setup a wordpress account |
| 16:13 | dogi_ | geirea, is there some code already available ? |
| 16:14 | geirea | we don't have much expertise in that area, but we saw a couple of wordpress plugins |
| 16:14 | dogi_ | oh ... |
| 16:14 | christianmarcsch | in theory, we can publish to wordpress by email |
| 16:14 | but in practice, i'm not sure whether we will need a moderation system of sorts | |
| 16:15 | SeanDaly | #link: http://codex.wordpress.org/Blog_by_Email |
| 16:15 | christianmarcsch: I daresay any e-mail address which will appear in a newspaper will need spam filtering at least | |
| 16:16 | christianmarcsch | SeanDaly: exactly |
| 16:16 | geirea | one other thing: the newspaper article is already in print so we can't change what's going to be published |
| 16:16 | svallejo | there's another reason to moderation, the contact data of the childrem is at the botton of the email. |
| 16:17 | christianmarcsch | is there a wordpress plugin that will convert emails to *unpublished* blog entries |
| 16:17 | SeanDaly | geirea: is there an URL or e-amil address in the newspaper article we need to set up quickly? |
| 16:17 | geirea | christianmarcsch: +1 this is what we need |
| 16:17 | SeanDaly: the email address published is concursorapceibal.info |
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| 16:18 | geirea | we can forward this addres to any other account |
| 16:18 | SeanDaly | cf link: "Limitations: - Standard characters in the object - Plain text only" |
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| 16:19 | geirea | unfortunately we didn't include an url in the article so we have to publish the webpage adress by other means |
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| 16:20 | christianmarcsch | SeanDaly: i suppose someone could constantly monitor the wordpress account an delete any spam entries, though that seems backwards |
| 16:20 | SeanDaly | geirea: one way to deal with that is to autoanswer received e-mail with a thank-you message which includes the URL |
| 16:20 | geirea | SeanDaly: that's a good idea |
| 16:21 | SeanDaly | christianmarcsh: yes, perhaps even to add missing photos since Wordpress publish by e-mail is text-only |
| 16:21 | svallejo | #link http://en.support.wordpress.com/post-by-email/ |
| 16:22 | christianmarcsch | SeanDaly: actually i think you can send image attachments |
| 16:22 | take a look at the "attachments" section | |
| 16:22 | geirea | the post-by-email link above shows images |
| 16:23 | SeanDaly | ah yes the wordpress.org info is bad! |
| 16:23 | christianmarcsch | but the question of moderation remains |
| 16:24 | geirea | maybe moderation can be performed before sending to wordpress, directly on the mail body |
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| 16:24 | SeanDaly | Actually if e-mail arrives at address above, spam can be filtered at that point |
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| 16:24 | geirea | so the moderator can forward to wordpress only approved entries |
| 16:25 | christianmarcsch | geirea: that makes sense |
| 16:25 | sounds like that is the solution? | |
| 16:25 | SeanDaly | And, Wordpress shortcodes could be automagically added e.g. status=pending for moderation |
| 16:26 | christianmarcsch | ok |
| 16:26 | dogi_ | is thinking about a wordpress-develVM |
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| 16:27 | christianmarcsch | so we will need to set up a wordpress account |
| 16:27 | geirea | ideally wordpress can be located somewhere like vueltaciclista.sugarlabs.org/blog |
| 16:28 | dogi_ | christianmarcsch, +1 |
| 16:28 | or host wordpress by our self | |
| 16:28 | geirea | and we can make vueltaciclista.sugarlabs.org a cover page with link to the blog plus any other information we want to include |
| 16:29 | SeanDaly | would be great to keep articles up after the race... kids will be proud of their work |
| 16:32 | geirea | i think the idea is now well defined, how do we make it happen? |
| 16:33 | SeanDaly | if we can get this together i can proceed with plan to do PR announcing Garmin-Cervelo sponsorship while spotlighting Uruguay & mentioning edeJAM |
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| 16:33 | christianmarcsch | are mike and JT here? |
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| 16:34 | christianmarcsch | i was thinking they could help in setting up the wordpress account |
| 16:36 | JT_4sugar | christianmarcsch, If you can send them email after meeting describing what you need from JT&Mike I'm pretty sure they could handle tomorrow |
| 16:36 | christianmarcsch | JT_4sugar: great, will do |
| 16:37 | we may need to do a little customization of the template | |
| 16:37 | it would be good to see what JT&Mike come up with first-- | |
| 16:37 | SeanDaly | should there be any language consideration? Wordpress acct in Spanish..? |
| 16:37 | christianmarcsch | then we could perhaps tweak it a bit if necessary |
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| 16:37 | SeanDaly | geirea: newspaper article coming out for sure this Wednesday? |
| 16:38 | geirea | SeanDaly: almost sure it is on wednesday, let me confirm this |
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| 16:40 | geirea | SeanDaly: yes, Revista El Escolar, Diario El País, the supplement is included with wednesday newspaper |
| 16:40 | svallejo | i think our deadline is when the "vuelta ciclista" starts |
| 16:41 | SeanDaly | remind me name of newspaper? I need to decided whether to time PR for same day or not |
| 16:41 | dogi_ | geirea, is there possibility to add google-analytics to the wordpress ... or are there other user monitoring tools |
| 16:41 | geirea | newspaper = Diario El País |
| 16:42 | SeanDaly | #link: http://en.support.wordpress.co[…]-existing-domain/ |
| 16:42 | JT_4sugar | christianmarcsch, To help JT&Mike if they are having set up issues working with Sugar Labs site will you cc Bernie and Dogi so they can assist if needed |
| 16:42 | geirea | dogi_: i guess any tool can be added, but i'm no expert on the issue |
| 16:42 | dogi_ | would like to find out if we can distinguish parents children and teacher by surf profile |
| 16:43 | JT_4sugar, thx | |
| 16:44 | geirea | we would need to know if the domain vueltaciclista.sugarlabs.org will be used so we can publish this and help spreading the word |
| 16:44 | SeanDaly | link: http://en.support.wordpress.com/stats/ |
| 16:44 | geirea | also, please take into account that the site can include things other than the blog, for example walter's odometer setup using the xo and other things |
| 16:45 | (however, all that would be additional work) | |
| 16:45 | SeanDaly | JT_4sugar: if JT & Mike have setup issue related to paid feature I can assist with that |
| 16:45 | christianmarcsch | so, quick question: can someone remind me of the start date? |
| 16:46 | svallejo | wednesday published, friday the "vuelta ciclista" starts |
| 16:46 | christianmarcsch | svallejo: thanks |
| 16:47 | geirea | race webpage: http://www.federacionciclistauruguaya.com.uy/ |
| 16:47 | SeanDaly | http://www.federacionciclistauruguaya.com.uy/ |
| 16:48 | svallejo | #link http://www.federacionciclistau[…]VCU11-Etapa1.html |
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| 16:49 | SeanDaly | geirea, svallejo: would you or others be able to help with PR translation to Spanish? |
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| 16:49 | geirea | SeanDaly: yes, no problem |
| 16:50 | svallejo | si, con gusto. |
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| 16:52 | SeanDaly | ideally we could have English PR done by tomorrow night; if so, we could put it on the wire Friday morning for race start. Wed or Thurs possible too, but each day sooner is $100 more for me |
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| 16:52 | SeanDaly | i will need to liaise with Garmin-Cervelo for quote |
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| 16:53 | SeanDaly | and will need a quote about how contest winners will be announced at eduJAM |
| 16:55 | geirea | SeanDaly: somehow El País, RAP Ceibal, ceibalJAM! should appear in the PR too |
| 16:55 | SeanDaly | dogi,alsroot: it's vital to know if we can communicate URL vueltaciclista.sugarlabs.org and ideally, sugarlabs.org/vueltaciclista with redirect to former |
| 16:56 | geirea | SeanDaly: regarding eduJAM we can provide what is needed, basically the idea is to give prizes to the winners at the closing of the event, something brief |
| 16:57 | SeanDaly | geirea: yes doable this is spotlight on UY ;-) we want to show how countries appropriate OLPC/Sugar |
| 16:58 | geirea | SeanDaly: great! |
| 16:58 | SeanDaly | will also liaise with Giulia at OLPC she is now handling day-to-day PR taking over from Jackie |
| 16:59 | alsroot | SeanDaly: yup, it is possible to have vueltaciclista.sugarlabs.org that redirects to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vuelta_a_Uruguay |
| 17:01 | geirea | alsroot: we need something more polished with a link to the blog |
| 17:01 | SeanDaly | alsroot: actually needs to redirect to public wordpress blog site, not wiki page |
| 17:02 | (this site doesn't exist yet) | |
| 17:02 | alsroot | SeanDaly: redirect to wordpress blog site is also possible |
| 17:03 | SeanDaly | I ask because when PR is submitted for PR Newswire several days in advance (hundreds of $$ less), text cannot be changed at last minute without $$ penalty |
| 17:03 | geirea | ideally i would like the site to include some of the information in the wiki, but written for kids |
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| 17:04 | alsroot | cant help much w/ content related case |
| 17:04 | SeanDaly | geirea: if I understand correctly, possible to dress up wordpress page with brief intro explanation & we could also link to wiki |
| 17:04 | geirea | SeanDaly: this would be excellent |
| 17:04 | walterbender_ | hi SeanDaly, geirea |
| 17:04 | geirea | hi walterbender_ |
| 17:05 | walterbender_ | SeanDaly: we need to get the publisist from Slipstream into the loop |
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| 17:05 | svallejo | sorry, i have to quit. i have to cook a "asado" for my family. i you need i cant translate PR. when you come to uruguay i could cook an asado for you. |
| 17:05 | bye | |
| 17:05 | geirea | bye svallejo |
| 17:06 | SeanDaly | bye svallejo |
| 17:06 | christianmarcsch | bye svallejo |
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| 17:06 | SeanDaly | walterbender_: yes ^^ |
| 17:07 | dogi_ | likes the t-shirts ... http://www.velonation.com/News[…]eam-for-2011.aspx |
| 17:07 | SeanDaly | they have been extremely generous by embiggening our logo max |
| 17:08 | walterbender_ | SeanDaly: we wanted some room on the side of the short too :P |
| 17:08 | ^short^shirt | |
| 17:08 | JT_4sugar | SeanDaly, Can you layout for Mike&JT how set up needs to be for wordpress-wording of links, redirects, etc. so works in PR and info gets relayed to alsroot,bernie, or Dogi to make links |
| 17:09 | christianmarcsch | have to say, the logo looks pretty good there :) |
| 17:09 | SeanDaly | walterbender_: it's already great exposure, we just need to counteract possible impression we are fancy funded startup :D |
| 17:11 | JT_4sugar: sorry I have no idea how redirects work technically depends on our hosting setup... question for infra team members... for PR what is important is to communicate correct URL & e-mail... nothing worse than nonfunctioning URL/e-mail the day PR is picked up | |
| 17:11 | walterbender_ | christianmarcsch: I was thinking of making a plaid logo for them :P |
| 17:11 | christianmarcsch | walterbender: hah! |
| 17:13 | geirea | JT_4sugar: the wordpress entries will be in Spanish and most of the readers will be Spanish-speaking |
| 17:14 | SeanDaly | needs to compile journalist contacts for bike sites/magazines |
| 17:15 | bernie | lurks |
| 17:15 | dogi_ | SeanDaly, +1 |
| 17:15 | SeanDaly, can you write a list of to be checked mails and urls ... | |
| 17:15 | JT_4sugar | SeanDaly, OK will just work to facilitate JT&Mike with Sugar Infra team to get in place-Christian has sent out email so will follow up till get right |
| 17:16 | dogi_ | and send this too systemslists.sugarlabs.org |
| 17:16 | hi bernie | |
| 17:16 | SeanDaly | dogi_: yes, vueltaciclista.sugarlabs.org and ideally, sugarlabs.org/vueltaciclista with redirect to former |
| 17:17 | dogi_ | SeanDaly, sure :) ... CC: systemslists.sugarlabs.org |
| 17:17 | bernie | waves |
| 17:19 | dogi_: will you be able to do all the setup work mostly independently? i've got only today to work on it, and i've already planned to spend the afternoon outside (as you know :-) | |
| 17:19 | geirea | i have to go, please keep us informed, we need to understand the workflow for moderating and publishing the entries |
| 17:20 | SeanDaly | dogi: just sent mail thanks |
| 17:20 | greets bernie | |
| 17:20 | dogi_: so is idea to self-host Wordpress blog? another way better? JT & Mike will be setting up account tomorrow | |
| 17:20 | JT_4sugar | SeanDaly, If you can send JT&Mike log of meeting to read and deadline for link info you would need for PR that would be great |
| 17:20 | geirea | thank you all and bye! |
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| 17:20 | JT_4sugar | geirea, Thanks so much! |
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| 17:21 | SeanDaly | ok will do thank you all! and John for seeing through meeting time ;-) |
| 17:21 | dogi_ | SeanDaly, :) we could but so shortterm wordpress is maybe better |
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| 17:21 | JT_4sugar | Thanks everyone we look to be in good shape |
| 17:22 | dogi_ | bernie, hope so ... |
| 17:22 | SeanDaly | dogi_: simplest=best I think considering short timeframe... I will always hesitate before volunteering infra for work :D:D |
| 17:23 | dogi_ | cares more about having future www hosted on our own infrastrucure |
| 17:23 | +t | |
| 17:24 | JT_4sugar | SeanDaly, Mention in email to JT&Mike set-up for wordpress default for Spanish-Is that correct? |
| 17:25 | SeanDaly | JT_4sugar: yes this is why I asked about language considerations; we will likely want to be able to hand off acct admin to geirea or svallejo, etc. |
| 17:28 | JT_4sugar | SeanDaly, If you can just describe what you think workflow and time constraints are then I will follow up to push through |
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| 17:30 | SeanDaly | I see workflow as follows: mails come to concursorapceibal.info, triage by geirea/svallejo/others, they forward to "secret" wordpress e-mail which publishes. But they also have admin to wordpress to adjust/depublish as necessary |
| 17:32 | vueltaciclista.sugarlabs.org (and sugarlabs.org/vueltaciclista which will redirect to it) will land on the blog page, hosted probably on Wordpress for now. This page will briefly describe project and link to wiki. Question is, do we feel need for a "front" page before blog? | |
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| 17:34 | SeanDaly | for PR time constraint is deadline tomorrow 6pm EST for Friday morning wire; this is short to liaise with Slipstream/Garmin-Cervelo and OLPC but will get on that tonight already |
| 17:34 | needs to go soon.. | |
| 17:36 | JT_4sugar | Ok let us know what you can and will go from there |
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| 17:37 | SeanDaly | will mail to JT & Mike now... they need to tell us ASAP if they encounter problems in setup |
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| 17:37 | SeanDaly | ok anything else? |
| 17:38 | JT_4sugar | Sounds good Thanks |
| 17:38 | SeanDaly | ok will countdown now |
| 17:38 | going once | |
| 17:40 | gong twice | |
| 17:41 | #endmeeting | |
| 17:41 | meeting | Meeting ended Sun Apr 10 17:41:09 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 17:41 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-10T16:03:46.html | |
| 17:41 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-04-10T16:03:46 | |
| 17:41 | dogi_ | ciao |
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| 17:43 | SeanDaly | bye dogi_ & thanks |
| 17:43 | JT_4sugar | Thanks All |
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