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| 00:05 | satellit_ | pflores_: updated: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Blogs |
| 00:07 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]on_channels#Blogs | |
| 00:09 | dogi | hi satellit_ |
| 00:09 | satellit_ | dogi: hi |
| 00:10 | dogi | satellit_, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]_on_all_platforms |
| 00:10 | satellit_ | yes: |
| 00:10 | dogi | added there a file which worked on my machine |
| 00:11 | satellit_ | great thank you |
| 00:11 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/E[…]_virtual_machines is where most are listed by the way | |
| 00:12 | dogi: I have a lot more but those seem best at the moment.... | |
| 00:13 | what is different in http://people.sugarlabs.org/do[…]Live-SoaS-2.1.ovf ? | |
| 00:15 | dogi | my virtualbox is 3.1.6 |
| 00:15 | and this http://people.sugarlabs.org/do[…]Live-SoaS-2.1.ovf is the ovf which works with | |
| 00:16 | was wondering if this ovf works on all other situations? | |
| 00:16 | satellit_ | ok: Virtualbox 4.02 now makes an .ova combined export file... I am trying to keep exports as 2 files |
| 00:17 | dogi | ohhh that sound interesting ... |
| 00:17 | satellit_ | dogi: I will test it here and report....I have netbook Ubuntu 10.10;AMD64x2 and OSX verions |
| 00:17 | s/versions here to test on | |
| 00:17 | dogi | satellit_, thx |
| 00:17 | satellit_ | yw |
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| 03:21 | satellit_ | dogi: You file http://people.sugarlabs.org/do[…]Live-SoaS-2.1.ovf for VirtualBox works with http://download.sugarlabs.org/[…]SoaS-2-disk1.vmdk in VB4 for OSX |
| 03:22 | dogi: look at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/E[…]s#To_Update_Sugar (as control panel does not work..) | |
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| 03:28 | soasv4VB_dogi | dogi: here it is after updates |
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| 03:38 | dogi | satellit_, :P |
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| 13:52 | satellit_ | walterbender: FYI alsroot has added sugar 0.88 to build system http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]l_Sugar-desktop_0.88_.22SWEETS.22 |
| 13:53 | alsroot | satellit_: in fact, it is dextrose-2, thus more then just 0.88. it contain several features that still not commited to the trunk + bug fixes from 0.90+ |
| 13:54 | satellit_ | great to know....: ) |
| 13:59 | alsroot: will this work with f14 gnome desktop? | |
| 14:02 | alsroot | satellit_: yup, dextrose-2 might be built against fc14 as well, it should work |
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| 14:25 | satellit_ | alsroot any changes in procedures I need to document in wiki? |
| 14:29 | alsroot | satellit_: you mean for fc14? there are now fc14 dx-2 builds, if there is such need I can build them |
| 14:29 | s/now/no/ | |
| 14:32 | satellit_ | alsroot: just thinking would be a better sugar in f14 Gnome Desktop with your fixes... will try it. |
| 14:35 | alsroot | satellit_: the problem is that I'm building all binaties in my env, but it will go to sugarlabs.org site at the end. so, will we have more sustainable env for keeping sugar packages for several distros |
| 14:35 | s/will we/we will/ | |
| 14:36 | satellit_ | thanks for your great work.....: ) |
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| 17:27 | satellit_ | alsroot: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]sing_dependencies for amd64 trisquel 4.5 |
| 17:29 | alsroot | satellit_: yup, thats the problem. unfortunately I've setup my env in i586 env, I'm planing to move it to sl.o and it build x86_64 blobs, but I guess i586 will be enough for now for trisuel livecd |
| 17:30 | satellit_ | ok will test on i586 next in VB4...: ) |
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| 19:49 | satellit_ | alsroot: 0.88 sweets worked BUT ASLO DL of IRC causes a package icon to appear and it will not start...? Trisquel 4.5 0203 i586 |
| 19:50 | alsroot | satellit_: 0.88 was built against Trisquel-4, ie, ubuntu-10.04, is Trisquel 4.5 based on ubuntu-10.10? |
| 19:50 | satellit_ | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]test_Results_i686 |
| 19:51 | trisquel 4.5 LTS on CP | |
| 19:51 | LTS is 10.04 I think | |
| 19:52 | 20 updates available...testing | |
| 19:52 | alsroot | satellit_: what sugar logs to shell.log on launching IRC? |
| 19:53 | satellit_ | wait |
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| 19:54 | satellit_ | 10 updates are different than normal ones including scratch and spirolaterals |
| 19:54 | s/20 | |
| 19:55 | dogi | hi satellit_ |
| 19:55 | satellit_ | hi |
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| 19:55 | dogi | what should i test next ... trisquel? |
| 19:57 | satellit_, my setup is virtualbox 3.1.6 on lenovo x60 ubuntu 10.10 | |
| 20:00 | satellit_ | dogi: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/inde[…]l_Sugar-desktop_0.88_.22SWEETS.22 |
| 20:01 | alsroot: IRC-08.xo never installed....no entries in log application | |
| 20:02 | alsroot | satellit_: is it reproducible for other downloads ? |
| 20:02 | satellit_ | wait |
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| 20:04 | satellit_ | same behavior for edit-08.xo ends up in package, not installed.... |
| 20:07 | alsroot | satellit_: could you pastebin shell.log |
| 20:09 | dogi | satellit_, is there an virtualbox ovf file available? |
| 20:09 | couldnt find one | |
| 20:14 | satellit_ | alsroot: look here used browse to write it http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]_On_A_Sugar_Toast |
| 20:14 | shell log | |
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| 20:16 | alsroot | satellit_: btw for post big texts you can use http://fpaste.org/ :) |
| 20:16 | satellit_ | dogi: I have not uploaded 4.5 yet |
| 20:16 | dogi_ | ups |
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| 20:17 | satellit_ | dogi: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/E[…]_files#Trisquel-4.0.1-Gnome-sugar |
| 20:18 | dogi | satellit_, thx |
| 20:18 | satellit_ | alsroot: the link above has full shell log in wiki.... |
| 20:18 | dogi: yw | |
| 20:30 | icarito | walterbender, did we have a meeting scheduled? |
| 20:31 | walterbender | icarito: no se |
| 20:33 | icarito | i thought we had one last week and guessed it was postponed |
| 20:36 | walterbender | icarito: sorry about last week. |
| 20:37 | I was traveling and wasn't sure if I was going to be able to join you or not | |
| 20:37 | icarito | we did not have a meeting last week :-( |
| 20:37 | walterbender | I am around today, although I have been on the phone all day, making up for being gone M-W |
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| 20:38 | walterbender | icarito: I read your post about the certificate program. I think it is spot on !! |
| 20:38 | icarito | we dkscj |
| 20:38 | walterbender | If ClaudiaU is around, maybe we can discuss it. |
| 20:38 | icarito | sorry, type there |
| 20:38 | we worked on it with Claudia, but then I showed it to the Sugar Labs Colombia team in a meeting | |
| 20:39 | some issues were raised regarding the need for such a program and it was clear it is a delicate subject | |
| 20:39 | walterbender | I like the fact that it is in stages... |
| 20:39 | what were the issues people raised? | |
| 20:40 | icarito | it is not very clear who would get certified and for what specific goals |
| 20:41 | goals in terms of sugar, i.e. how does sugar benefit from such a program | |
| 20:41 | its clear there is space for it but its not clear how it should be | |
| 20:41 | so this led us to want to discuss it with other local labs | |
| 20:41 | so we would like a local labs only mailing list | |
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| 20:41 | walterbender | icarito: teachers have a need for certification as a part of their professional development |
| 20:42 | icarito: and so why not let them learn about Sugar as part of that process | |
| 20:42 | they get advancement in their careers and we get more opportunity to reach out to them | |
| 20:43 | icarito | yes, i agree, as otherwise there is a void in that space |
| 20:43 | walterbender | and then we can also say: (1) there are n teachers with xyz skills and (2) there is a local organization that can work with you on QA |
| 20:43 | icarito | yes |
| 20:43 | walterbender | I think it very much strenghtens our offering |
| 20:44 | icarito | i mostly agree that is why I took it upom myself to further this subject |
| 20:44 | walterbender | One problem we have had as a community organization is that governments trust "official" organizations, not ad hoc organizations |
| 20:44 | this is one way in which we can appear to be less ad hoc | |
| 20:45 | icarito | now i think we need to bring this up with the rest of the potentially interested local labs |
| 20:45 | walterbender | I think it will help us make in roads in places like Peru |
| 20:45 | icarito: I think it is a great example of the value a local lab can play and a way to have a local lab extract some revenue | |
| 20:46 | icarito | i think the local labs need an internal mailing list where we can discuss these subjects |
| 20:47 | a list that is not as massive as Sur | |
| 20:47 | walterbender | we could use iaep with a [LOCAL LABS] in the subject field |
| 20:48 | icarito | for instance sugar labs colombia has a "sugarlabscoreco.sugarlabs.org" list |
| 20:49 | do you think we'd rist fragmenting the community or miss transparency? | |
| 20:49 | s/rist/risk | |
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| 20:50 | icarito | walterbender, there are some strategic issues like the building of a joint services portfolio that might be better discussed outside the spotlight |
| 20:52 | walterbender | icarito: I guess we need to take the cases one at a time, but I prefer to err on the side of transparency as I have always been burned by secrets, not the other way around |
| 20:52 | icarito | i'll consult it with the local labs people i know in latam |
| 20:52 | at least agree with them to take it to IAEP | |
| 20:53 | my impression is everyone thinks IAEP is an english list | |
| 20:53 | and it wuold be natural for us to discuss joint strategy in spanish | |
| 20:53 | walterbender | icarito: I think when we are dealing with specific contracts, e.g., the deal with Susanne, we need to keep things quiet, but the general topic of language learning should be discussed openly (I think). |
| 20:54 | icarito | for instance, this certification program |
| 20:54 | walterbender | icarito: I'd love to be able to do an autotranslate between the two lists |
| 20:54 | icarito | it is mainly of interest and thought to benefit local labs |
| 20:55 | but if the discussion is brought up in IAEP my concern is other people with possibly different interests will take it | |
| 20:55 | walterbender | icarito: but I think there is generally an ignorance about what local labs do, so the more the community is engaged in the discussion, the more informed they will become. |
| 20:55 | yes, there is a risk of diffusion, but also a chance of some good ideas coming from unexpected places | |
| 20:56 | icarito | ok so i will bring this discussion up with them directly with the proposal to use IAEP |
| 20:56 | walterbender | and/or Sur |
| 20:56 | icarito | reg'd autotranslation we could create IAEP <-> EUPE |
| 20:56 | i disagree that Sur is equivalent to IAEP in spanish | |
| 20:57 | walterbender | I agree with you... the lists have very different character |
| 20:57 | and yet Sur is more what I had in mind when we started IAEP | |
| 20:57 | icarito | in fact an EUPE (Es Un Proyecto Educativo) would be nice |
| 20:57 | walterbender | thinks yama done good by starting Sur |
| 20:58 | icarito: maybe I am wrong, but the discussion in Sur is much more focused on the learning than the technology | |
| 20:58 | and more teachers participate | |
| 20:59 | is that also your impression? | |
| 20:59 | icarito | might be focused in learning but its not focused on furthering a specific project |
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| 21:01 | icarito | in fact i think its very unfocused in terms of doing |
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| 21:04 | icarito | walterbender, will share as soon as there is something to share |
| 21:04 | thanks | |
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| 21:05 | walterbender | icarito: on another topic, I think the project with Sean et al. will be a very nice one. I am glad you will be involved. |
| 21:07 | icarito: back to the topic of lists: perhaps doing happens on very focused lists, but ideation happens on the more general lists. | |
| 21:07 | satellit_ | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Blogs updated yesterday |
| 21:08 | icarito | I don't know what the project is yet but I'm also glad :-) |
| 21:09 | walterbender, regarding lists yes, agreed, so we have a very focused list in english and a very unfocused ideation ilst in spanish | |
| 21:10 | walterbender | satellit_: we also have a facebook account, unused; and a dailymotion account, mostly unused |
| 21:10 | satellit_ | need to be added to Blogs in wiki.... |
| 21:10 | walterbender | icarito: be nice to have both in both languages, shared |
| 21:11 | satellit_: and twitter | |
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| 21:11 | walterbender | mchua: hi... long time, no chat :) |
| 21:11 | icarito | walterbender, yes I was asking for a focused, spanish list |
| 21:11 | also when do you think we will have the next meeting | |
| 21:11 | ? | |
| 21:11 | walterbender | mchua: I've had some fun POSSE follow ups: at WPI and Union |
| 21:12 | mchua | walterbender: Awesome! Karl and Kris, I'm guessing? |
| 21:12 | walterbender | icarito: let's meet again next Thursday with all of SLOBs!!! |
| 21:12 | icarito | ok |
| 21:12 | talk to you soon | |
| 21:12 | walterbender | icarito: maybe we'll have had one more iteration on certificates by then? |
| 21:13 | icarito | walterbender, at least the incorporation of feedback from the local labs |
| 21:13 | for whom the implementation of this certification is intended | |
| 21:13 | possibly in IAEP | |
| 21:13 | walterbender | well, ClaudiaU and I are running a workshop in two weeks for 500 teachers in Peru :) |
| 21:14 | icarito | interesting, planning on certifiying them? |
| 21:15 | is taht for the deployment in Lima? | |
| 21:16 | walterbender | yes |
| 21:16 | but I wsn' tplanning on a certificate this time | |
| 21:17 | icarito | ok it would be nice to find ways to integrating them into the community more |
| 21:18 | at least introducing them to Sur | |
| 21:18 | i'll see what ideas I have to share with you for that | |
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| 21:22 | walterbender | icarito: any ideas are welcome... |
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