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#sugar-meeting, 2011-02-03

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00:05 satellit_ pflores_: updated: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Blogs
00:07 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]on_channels#Blogs
00:09 dogi hi satellit_
00:09 satellit_ dogi: hi
00:10 dogi satellit_, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]_on_all_platforms
00:10 satellit_ yes:
00:10 dogi added there a file which worked on my machine
00:11 satellit_ great thank you
00:11 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/E[…]_virtual_machines  is where most are listed by the way
00:12 dogi: I have a lot more but those seem best at the moment....
00:13 what is different in http://people.sugarlabs.org/do[…]Live-SoaS-2.1.ovf  ?
00:15 dogi my virtualbox is 3.1.6
00:15 and this http://people.sugarlabs.org/do[…]Live-SoaS-2.1.ovf is the ovf which works with
00:16 was wondering if this ovf works on all other situations?
00:16 satellit_ ok: Virtualbox 4.02 now makes an .ova combined export file... I am trying to keep exports as 2 files
00:17 dogi ohhh that sound interesting ...
00:17 satellit_ dogi: I will test it here and report....I have netbook Ubuntu 10.10;AMD64x2 and OSX verions
00:17 s/versions here to test on
00:17 dogi satellit_, thx
00:17 satellit_ yw
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03:21 satellit_ dogi: You file http://people.sugarlabs.org/do[…]Live-SoaS-2.1.ovf for VirtualBox works with http://download.sugarlabs.org/[…]SoaS-2-disk1.vmdk in VB4 for OSX
03:22 dogi: look at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/E[…]s#To_Update_Sugar  (as control panel does not work..)
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03:28 soasv4VB_dogi dogi: here it is after updates
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03:38 dogi satellit_, :P
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13:52 satellit_ walterbender: FYI alsroot has added sugar 0.88 to build system http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]l_Sugar-desktop_0.88_.22SWEETS.22
13:53 alsroot satellit_: in fact, it is dextrose-2, thus more then just 0.88. it contain several features that still not commited to the trunk + bug fixes from 0.90+
13:54 satellit_ great to know....: )
13:59 alsroot: will this work with f14 gnome desktop?
14:02 alsroot satellit_: yup, dextrose-2 might be built against fc14 as well, it should work
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14:25 satellit_ alsroot any changes in procedures I need to document in wiki?
14:29 alsroot satellit_: you mean for fc14? there are now fc14 dx-2 builds, if there is such need I can build them
14:29 s/now/no/
14:32 satellit_ alsroot: just thinking would be a better sugar in f14 Gnome Desktop with your fixes... will try it.
14:35 alsroot satellit_: the problem is that I'm building all binaties in my env, but it will go to sugarlabs.org site at the end. so, will we have more sustainable env for keeping sugar packages for several distros
14:35 s/will we/we will/
14:36 satellit_ thanks for your great work.....: )
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17:27 satellit_ alsroot: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]sing_dependencies  for amd64 trisquel 4.5
17:29 alsroot satellit_: yup, thats the problem. unfortunately I've setup my env in i586 env, I'm planing to move it to sl.o and it build x86_64 blobs, but I guess i586 will be enough for now for trisuel livecd
17:30 satellit_ ok will test on i586 next in VB4...: )
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19:49 satellit_ alsroot: 0.88 sweets worked BUT ASLO DL of IRC causes a package icon to appear and it will not start...?  Trisquel 4.5 0203 i586
19:50 alsroot satellit_: 0.88 was built against Trisquel-4, ie, ubuntu-10.04, is Trisquel 4.5 based on ubuntu-10.10?
19:50 satellit_ http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]test_Results_i686
19:51 trisquel 4.5 LTS on CP
19:51 LTS is 10.04 I think
19:52 20 updates available...testing
19:52 alsroot satellit_: what sugar logs to shell.log on launching IRC?
19:53 satellit_ wait
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19:54 satellit_ 10 updates are different than normal ones including scratch and spirolaterals
19:54 s/20
19:55 dogi hi satellit_
19:55 satellit_ hi
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19:55 dogi what should i test next ... trisquel?
19:57 satellit_, my setup is virtualbox 3.1.6 on lenovo x60 ubuntu 10.10
20:00 satellit_ dogi: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/inde[…]l_Sugar-desktop_0.88_.22SWEETS.22
20:01 alsroot: IRC-08.xo never installed....no entries in log application
20:02 alsroot satellit_: is it reproducible for other downloads ?
20:02 satellit_ wait
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20:04 satellit_ same behavior for edit-08.xo  ends up in package, not installed....
20:07 alsroot satellit_: could you pastebin shell.log
20:09 dogi satellit_, is there an virtualbox ovf file available?
20:09 couldnt find one
20:14 satellit_ alsroot: look here used browse to write it http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]_On_A_Sugar_Toast
20:14 shell log
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20:16 alsroot satellit_: btw for post big texts you can use http://fpaste.org/ :)
20:16 satellit_ dogi: I have not uploaded 4.5 yet
20:16 dogi_ ups
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20:17 satellit_ dogi: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/E[…]_files#Trisquel-4.0.1-Gnome-sugar
20:18 dogi satellit_, thx
20:18 satellit_ alsroot: the link above has full shell log in wiki....
20:18 dogi: yw
20:30 icarito walterbender, did we have a meeting scheduled?
20:31 walterbender icarito: no se
20:33 icarito i thought we had one last week and guessed it was postponed
20:36 walterbender icarito: sorry about last week.
20:37 I was traveling and wasn't sure if I was going to be able to join you or not
20:37 icarito we did not have a meeting last week :-(
20:37 walterbender I am around today, although I have been on the phone all day, making up for being gone M-W
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20:38 walterbender icarito: I read your post about the certificate program. I think it is spot on !!
20:38 icarito we dkscj
20:38 walterbender If ClaudiaU is around, maybe we can discuss it.
20:38 icarito sorry, type there
20:38 we worked on it with Claudia, but then I showed it to the Sugar Labs Colombia team in a meeting
20:39 some issues were raised regarding the need for such a program and it was clear it is a delicate subject
20:39 walterbender I like the fact that it is in stages...
20:39 what were the issues people raised?
20:40 icarito it is not very clear who would get certified and for what specific goals
20:41 goals in terms of sugar, i.e. how does sugar benefit from such a program
20:41 its clear there is space for it but its not clear how it should be
20:41 so this led us to want to discuss it with other local labs
20:41 so we would like a local labs only mailing list
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20:41 walterbender icarito: teachers have a need for certification as a part of their professional development
20:42 icarito: and so why not let them learn about Sugar as part of that process
20:42 they get advancement in their careers and we get more opportunity to reach out to them
20:43 icarito yes, i agree, as otherwise there is a void in that space
20:43 walterbender and then we can also say: (1) there are n teachers with xyz skills and (2) there is a local organization that can work with you on QA
20:43 icarito yes
20:43 walterbender I think it very much strenghtens our offering
20:44 icarito i mostly agree that is why I took it upom myself to further this subject
20:44 walterbender One problem we have had as a community organization is that governments trust "official" organizations, not ad hoc organizations
20:44 this is one way in which we can appear to be less ad hoc
20:45 icarito now i think we need to bring this up with the rest of the potentially interested local labs
20:45 walterbender I think it will help us make in roads in places like Peru
20:45 icarito: I think it is a great example of the value a local lab can play and a way to have a local lab extract some revenue
20:46 icarito i think the local labs need an internal mailing list where we can discuss these subjects
20:47 a list that is not as massive as Sur
20:47 walterbender we could use iaep with a [LOCAL LABS] in the subject field
20:48 icarito for instance sugar labs colombia has a "sugarlabscore@co.sugarlabs.org" list
20:49 do you think we'd rist fragmenting the community or miss transparency?
20:49 s/rist/risk
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20:50 icarito walterbender, there are some strategic issues like the building of a joint services portfolio that might be better discussed outside the spotlight
20:52 walterbender icarito: I guess we need to take the cases one at a time, but I prefer to err on the side of transparency as I have always been burned by secrets, not the other way around
20:52 icarito i'll consult it with the local labs people i know in latam
20:52 at least agree with them to take it to IAEP
20:53 my impression is everyone thinks IAEP is an english list
20:53 and it wuold be natural for us to discuss joint strategy in spanish
20:53 walterbender icarito: I think when we are dealing with specific contracts, e.g., the deal with Susanne, we need to keep things quiet, but the general topic of language learning should be discussed openly (I think).
20:54 icarito for instance, this certification program
20:54 walterbender icarito: I'd love to be able to do an autotranslate between the two lists
20:54 icarito it is mainly of interest and thought to benefit local labs
20:55 but if the discussion is brought up in IAEP my concern is other people with possibly different interests will take it
20:55 walterbender icarito: but I think there is generally an ignorance about what local labs do, so the more the community is engaged in the discussion, the more informed they will become.
20:55 yes, there is a risk of diffusion, but also a chance of some good ideas coming from unexpected places
20:56 icarito ok so i will bring this discussion up with them directly with the proposal to use IAEP
20:56 walterbender and/or Sur
20:56 icarito reg'd autotranslation we could create IAEP <-> EUPE
20:56 i disagree that Sur is equivalent to IAEP in spanish
20:57 walterbender I agree with you... the lists have very different character
20:57 and yet Sur is more what I had in mind when we started IAEP
20:57 icarito in fact an EUPE (Es Un Proyecto Educativo) would be nice
20:57 walterbender thinks yama done good  by starting Sur
20:58 icarito: maybe I am wrong, but the discussion in Sur is much more focused on the learning than the technology
20:58 and more teachers participate
20:59 is that also your impression?
20:59 icarito might be focused in learning but its not focused on furthering a specific project
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21:01 icarito in fact i think its very unfocused in terms of doing
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21:04 icarito walterbender, will share as soon as there is something to share
21:04 thanks
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21:05 walterbender icarito: on another topic, I think the project with Sean et al. will be a very nice one. I am glad you will be involved.
21:07 icarito: back to the topic of lists: perhaps doing happens on very focused lists, but ideation happens on the more general lists.
21:07 satellit_ http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Blogs  updated yesterday
21:08 icarito I don't know what the project is yet but I'm also glad :-)
21:09 walterbender, regarding lists yes, agreed, so we have a very focused list in english and a very unfocused ideation ilst in spanish
21:10 walterbender satellit_: we also have a facebook account, unused; and a dailymotion account, mostly unused
21:10 satellit_ need to be added to Blogs in wiki....
21:10 walterbender icarito: be nice to have both in both languages, shared
21:11 satellit_: and twitter
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21:11 walterbender mchua: hi... long time, no chat :)
21:11 icarito walterbender, yes I was asking for a focused, spanish list
21:11 also when do you think we will have the next meeting
21:11 ?
21:11 walterbender mchua: I've had some fun POSSE follow ups: at WPI and Union
21:12 mchua walterbender: Awesome! Karl and Kris, I'm guessing?
21:12 walterbender icarito: let's meet again next Thursday with all of SLOBs!!!
21:12 icarito ok
21:12 talk to you soon
21:12 walterbender icarito: maybe we'll have had one more iteration on certificates by then?
21:13 icarito walterbender, at least the incorporation of feedback from the local labs
21:13 for whom the implementation of this certification is intended
21:13 possibly in IAEP
21:13 walterbender well, ClaudiaU and I are running a workshop in two weeks for 500 teachers in Peru :)
21:14 icarito interesting, planning on certifiying them?
21:15 is taht for the deployment in Lima?
21:16 walterbender yes
21:16 but I wsn' tplanning on a certificate this time
21:17 icarito ok it would be nice to find ways to integrating them into the community more
21:18 at least introducing them to Sur
21:18 i'll see what ideas I have to share with you for that
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21:22 walterbender icarito: any ideas are welcome...
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