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| 21:03 | pflores_ | hi! |
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| 21:03 | pflores_ | I had a blackout at home and light just came back ! :( |
| 21:04 | garycmartin | pflores_: Hi. |
| 21:04 | JT4sugar | Hello |
| 21:06 | pflores_ | Ok! |
| 21:06 | who's around? | |
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| 21:06 | garycmartin | holds up hand |
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| 21:07 | pflores_ | just a second and we #startmeeting |
| 21:08 | #startmeeting | |
| 21:08 | meeting | Meeting started Wed Feb 2 21:08:41 2011 UTC. The chair is pflores_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 21:08 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 21:08 | pflores_ | #topic intro |
| 21:09 | icaritox | hola |
| 21:09 | pflores_ | Ok, let me introduce some ideas |
| 21:09 | icaritox: hola Sebasti | |
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| 21:10 | icaritox | :-) |
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| 21:10 | pflores_ | Last week we started a high-level discussion around which tools would be the most necessary for the community |
| 21:11 | The community is something very broad | |
| 21:11 | we have developers, teachers, students, families... | |
| 21:11 | they all have needs and contributions | |
| 21:12 | dfarning | sorry for being late... kids needed a sack after school |
| 21:12 | pflores_ | today I'd like to focus for a while on teacher's participation |
| 21:13 | which tools would be useful for integrating better teachers to the community, so they can participate | |
| 21:14 | dfarning | pflores_, what have you learned through your work at Ceibal Jam? |
| 21:14 | pflores_ | from the pov of developers it's important to have teacher's feedback |
| 21:15 | dfarning I found teachers have a lot of experience but it's very difficult for them to share it | |
| 21:15 | most of them work on their own | |
| 21:16 | dfarning | pflores_, how about skipping the teacher feed back to developers step.... that is going to be really have becuase of the language and experience differences. |
| 21:16 | pflores_ | most teachers don't have the skills or the patience for having a blog |
| 21:16 | JT4sugar | Developing forums at Grade and Age level allowing Teachers to express how they are using Sugar to teach litearcy, math, science, etc. When Teachers see information that they can directly use with their age students I think teacher participation will spike upward |
| 21:16 | dfarning | pflores_, how about helping teachers become effective? |
| 21:17 | pflores_ | if teachers share some info about what they're doing they're helping developers a lot |
| 21:18 | and also they can be more effective not working so alone | |
| 21:18 | icarito | i think there is a strong matter of motivation |
| 21:18 | teachers already perceive working with ICT as "more work" | |
| 21:19 | and there is a language barrier in the community | |
| 21:19 | dfarning | pflores_, yes, the feedback loop it is very helpful.... it is also one one of the hardest pieces. As icarito we need to make itc easier for teachers |
| 21:19 | icarito | we have so much material but its scattered all over |
| 21:20 | so there is a problem of motivation, and a problem of organization of information like JT4sugar mentioned | |
| 21:20 | pflores_ | ok |
| 21:20 | icarito | i read past meeting log, pflores_ discussed tagging |
| 21:21 | tagging is interesting but relevant info is all over several places, wiki, blogs, etc | |
| 21:21 | pflores_ | we may not be able to do much for motivation, but if teachers can collaborate they can have less work |
| 21:21 | some teachers found it out | |
| 21:21 | icarito | pflores_, do you have a proposal? you mentioned microblogging |
| 21:22 | pflores_ | and look at some teacher's blogs to prepare their lessons |
| 21:22 | icarito | i think that might as well be a good answer |
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| 21:22 | pflores_ | icarito right! |
| 21:23 | icarito | it would be great to aggregate / federate feeds from different systems like wiki |
| 21:23 | pflores_ | my proposal big picture is the 5 points I proposed for today |
| 21:23 | 1. Aggregate feeds from blogs, websites, wikis & aslo. | |
| 21:23 | 2. Show what's happening in mailing lists, highlight important discussions | |
| 21:23 | 3. Broadcast some info of what happens on IRC channels | |
| 21:23 | 4. Integrate social networks (identi.ca/twitter, facebook, uhloh, ...) info. | |
| 21:23 | 5. Integrate OLPCmap info | |
| 21:23 | icarito | we have something like that in http://somosazucar.org/ |
| 21:23 | look at section "En la comunidad" | |
| 21:23 | pflores_ | # topic 1. Aggregate feeds from blogs, websites, wikis & aslo. |
| 21:24 | icarito:I saw it and I'd like to learn more about it | |
| 21:24 | icarito | it aggregates the sugar digest, the somosazucar blog, and the #somosazucar tag @identi.ca |
| 21:24 | pflores_ | icarito: which tool did you use? |
| 21:24 | icarito | its a plugin for wordpress called lifestream |
| 21:24 | http://www.enthropia.com/labs/wp-lifestream/ | |
| 21:25 | now there are interesting missing features in it: | |
| 21:25 | 1.- ability to feed the aggregated stream into a status.net microblog | |
| 21:25 | and | |
| 21:26 | 2.- ability to generate a weekly digest that could be sent to the mailing list | |
| 21:26 | pflores_ | looks good |
| 21:26 | I wonder if there's no similar module for drupal | |
| 21:26 | icarito | pflores_, yes we'd basically have to mantain a list of RSS feeds to aggregate |
| 21:27 | JT4sugar | Teachers have only so much time so they look to engage with information that directly applies to their students. Creating spaces/forums for collaborating at Grade level is key. Example 1 Teaching Fourth Grade Math with Sugar. Example 2 Using Sugar to improve literacy for 2nd Graders. So forums for each grade and each subject within that grade |
| 21:28 | pflores_ | JT4sugar: I aggree. |
| 21:28 | JT4sugar | An aggregator to bring this information together for developers or others in community to see a bigger picture view |
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| 21:29 | pflores_ | I find the best would be integrating 5 kinds of tools: |
| 21:29 | garycmartin | pflores_: How does this differ from http://planet.sugarlabs.org/ ? |
| 21:29 | pflores_ | I) aggregation II) microblogging tools III) social tagging IV) translation V) search tools |
| 21:30 | garycmartin: integrating ^ | |
| 21:30 | dfarning | JT4sugar, that is also my concern. An aregator is good for the big picture. but not really a help for a teacher who's class will be using sugar next term and has to learn something quickly. |
| 21:31 | icarito | i think I, II, and V would be relatively simple |
| 21:31 | pflores_ | III would be useful for what JT4sugar says about organizin information |
| 21:32 | icarito | tagging and translation require work |
| 21:32 | pflores_, have you seen shapado.com ? | |
| 21:32 | dfarning | people (teachers) participate in communities IFF the community is helpful to them. |
| 21:32 | icarito | its a forum software |
| 21:32 | JT4sugar | dfarning, Yes we almost need a Planet style set up for each grade level tagged by Subject So If I'm a Fifth grade Teacher I go to the 5th grade Sugar Planet site, If I'm a 2nd grade teacher a 2nd grade Sugar Planet site |
| 21:33 | pflores_ | If we had a set of somehow agreed tags, we could aggregate resources and tag them socially |
| 21:33 | JT4sugar: does it make sense to you? | |
| 21:34 | JT4sugar | Yes aggregating is good for some but teacher does not want aggregate site they want a site for their grade |
| 21:35 | pflores_ | I mean, aggregate info and let different users tag it |
| 21:35 | (suggest tags) | |
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| 21:36 | JT4sugar | pflores_, Sending out a survey to Teachers to see how they would like to see information organized(Tags) would be good first step |
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| 21:37 | pflores_ | A teacher finds a lesson plan for ... let's say Pitagoras |
| 21:38 | then she can use it and put: I used this link for #math #pitagoras #1st grade | |
| 21:39 | Or even better, select tags from a multiple selection | |
| 21:39 | I'm pretty sure many teachers would do it | |
| 21:40 | It's useful for themselves: they keep trac of what they did for teaching it next year | |
| 21:41 | icarito: Shapado seems to be a good Q&A tool | |
| 21:41 | icarito | pflores_, its also a good modern forum tool based on tags |
| 21:42 | pflores_ | icarito: I'll take a closer look |
| 21:42 | icarito | instead of a tree based forum that tends to be a pain to mantain |
| 21:42 | look at it like a forum software | |
| 21:43 | its just an idea but i've found its a good way to categorize info scattered in several places | |
| 21:45 | pflores_ | I like microblogging approach because you can ask questions, suggest links and tags, all from the same interface |
| 21:46 | icarito | pflores_, i agree, but i think we agree the interface is not good enough |
| 21:46 | JT4sugar | Take a look at this Open Source project-Eureka Streams as a possibility for forums http://www.eurekastreams.org/ |
| 21:48 | pflores_ | icarito: we agree. a specific interface is needed. I like the tagging interface of shapado. |
| 21:50 | JT4sugar: looks good! | |
| 21:50 | icarito | is logging in to eurekastreams |
| 21:52 | JT4sugar | pflores_, I think it's very important for you to get with Teachers on possible interfaces and workflows. Building it around the teachers and then figuring out how developers can tap into that structure which they will |
| 21:52 | icarito | i feel we could achieve something like this with a custom status.net |
| 21:53 | pflores_ | I haven't found a system which really looks like what's needed for teacher's community |
| 21:53 | icarito | i have to go now, sorry, talk to you soon |
| 21:53 | pflores_ | icarito: Ok, let's talk later! |
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| 21:54 | pflores_ | JT4sugar: I've been in contact with many teachers, that's where my ideas come from, but I'm afraid I'm not seaking my mind very well |
| 21:55 | ndoiron | pflores_: on microblogging - this is valuable for teachers who have found a lot of content, and more teachers can follow those |
| 21:56 | pflores_: but it doesn't give us too much to show to people new to Sugar / OLPC, such as new developers or teachers without the technology | |
| 21:57 | pflores_ | IMHO if a teacher finds a place with useful educational resources, she will use it all the time. |
| 21:57 | teachers mostly don't have a landing page for looking for resources | |
| 21:58 | or for communicating with collegues | |
| 21:59 | If the teacher finds a good interface for doing that, she'll get into the community | |
| 22:01 | 1) we aggregate interesting blogs | |
| 22:01 | 2) we receive links suggestions (from our page of from microblog entries) | |
| 22:02 | 3) with search tools for the aggregated info, it's easier to find what's interesting | |
| 22:04 | 4) the teacher selects from a set of standard tags the ones that apply, forwards it to collegues, | |
| 22:04 | also can write reviews or comments | |
| 22:05 | JT4sugar | pflores_, So if you build separate sites for each grade or one site with a portal for each grade. Then teacher has place to go for all things Sugar for 1st graders, 2nd graders, etc. Upload/Download Lesson plans, tips, set up class collaborations, How are other teachers using Sugar for Literacy, Math, Science |
| 22:05 | pflores_ | With this cycle we can build a knowledge base |
| 22:06 | JT4sugar: I wouldn't say separate sites, but the teacher can filter resourses tagged for 2nd grade for instance | |
| 22:06 | and then filter Math | |
| 22:09 | JT4sugar | I would say separate sites or portals they want to feel they have a community of their particular grade teachers. I think you will be way more successful if you approach this way. Don't know if you saw movie "Field of Dreams" but line in move is"If you build it they will come" |
| 22:10 | satellit_ | all this should be added to wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]on_channels#Blogs and http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]nnels#Aggregators with classifications by grade and language |
| 22:10 | pflores_ | JT4sugar: may be good, but I'm not sure if it's a good first step |
| 22:11 | satellit_: yes, but that's not a good interface for teachers | |
| 22:11 | satellit_ | agreed |
| 22:12 | pflores_ | really there are hundrends of teachers blogs in this moment |
| 22:12 | JT4sugar | pflores_, Think of how teachers spend their time. If I'm a 2nd grade teacher I want info for 2nd graders. If you build them a portal for everything Sugar at 2nd grade then you will see a lot of 2nd grade teachers using or wanting to use Sugar show up |
| 22:13 | pflores_ | all these teachers are willing to find ways of making what they write more visible |
| 22:14 | JT4sugar: +1 But... which would be the difference with the 3rd grade portal, except from the title and the filter of the contents? | |
| 22:16 | JT4sugar | Correct-you help them by giving them the Stage to do that for each grade. The difference would be all the conversations that will be started in those forums around using it with their age kids. Your giving them a place to congregate/get together |
| 22:17 | pflores_ | yes! really I'd like to cluster community members in different "views" that show info about common interests |
| 22:18 | for instance, by geographical location | |
| 22:19 | at this point I'm not sure how much we can discuss these in abstract. Maybe doing some kind of mockup would help discussion | |
| 22:19 | JT4sugar | I guess the big difference is that community interest for developers and volunteers is completely different from a teacher using Sugar in their class to teach a particular subject. Therefore building something separate to cover both situations is needed |
| 22:21 | pflores_ | #idea let me mockup some of these ideas for further discussion |
| 22:22 | garycmartin | pflores_: OT, if we had any actual hard numbers on different community member traits I could generate a SOM so we can see what the clusters are like. I was hoping the OLPCmap project may generate some data sets I could use. |
| 22:23 | JT4sugar | pflores_, I think your off to a good start in tackling this challenge |
| 22:24 | pflores_ | garycmartin: we have for instance mailing lists with teachers, would it be possible to analyze this info? |
| 22:25 | #help | |
| 22:27 | I'd like to find tools for tagging socially data sets, tell me if you know some tool for it | |
| 22:28 | garycmartin | pflores_: I can certainly analyse based on text as per the weekly IAEP maps I generate (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/SOM#It.27s_An_Education_Project_Mailing_List) but really we would need vectors/tags for the participants. But I guess it depends how you want to target. |
| 22:30 | pflores_: can you point me to the archive for the mailing list for teachers you mention? | |
| 22:30 | pflores_ | http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/ |
| 22:30 | for instance | |
| 22:32 | I like the maps, maybe they would be more clear if we could filter words to show | |
| 22:32 | or cluster it | |
| 22:33 | garycmartin | pflores_: OK, good I can map that. I'll try some on that data and email one to you direct (I'm only an English language speaker). |
| 22:33 | pflores_ | Ok, I think we're done for the moment |
| 22:33 | ok! | |
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| 22:34 | pflores_ | #action pflores will make a mockup of a UI for teachers community |
| 22:34 | JT4sugar | Ok Thanks guys |
| 22:34 | garycmartin | pflores_: filtering/clustering live data. Yea, I've tinkered with this, but having a standards compliant UI to interact with the data is not simple, it's needs a custom application or some serious HTML/JavaScript and database back end. |
| 22:35 | pflores_ | #endmeeting |
| 22:35 | meeting | Meeting ended Wed Feb 2 22:35:13 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 22:35 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-02T21:08:41.html | |
| 22:35 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-02-02T21:08:41 | |
| 22:35 | garycmartin | pflores_: (I do tinker with the data live, but it's custom Mac code) |
| 22:36 | pflores_ | that's pretty cool, I wonder how can we use the maps for understanding what's happening around... |
| 22:36 | satellit_ | do you want me to update the wiki for the links mentioned today? |
| 22:36 | pflores_ | satellit_: would be great! |
| 22:36 | satellit_ | ok |
| 22:37 | pflores_ | thanks guys |
| 22:37 | ! | |
| 22:37 | satellit_ | will try to annotate it from discussions...please check it and correct it |
| 22:37 | pflores_ | ok |
| 22:40 | dfarning | pflores_, meeting looked good. do you want to talk to night or sometime tomorrow? |
| 22:40 | garycmartin | pflores_: maps, I think the most useful step is to make the labels link to the resources that caused it, so you could drill down into a map to find some related emails/blog/content. Again, current open standards are fuzzy here given the map requirements (I guess a google maps type html/javascript view could be a close fit). |
| 22:41 | dfarning | pflores_, opps sorry to interupt:( |
| 22:41 | silbe | pflores_: a quick update on last weeks meeting: I haven't written up my plan in detail yet, but I got the Browse side working and hacked up a "seamless" OpenID provider today. The user data (i.e. my name and public key) is still hard coded for testing, but I could already use it successfully to log in to the SL wiki. |
| 22:41 | pflores_ | dfarning no problem! |
| 22:43 | garycmartin let me think about it, let's make a time to talk about this later this week | |
| 22:43 | silbe | pflores_: BTW, I'm working on a / one Single Sign On solution for Sugar Labs (and everybody who wants to join in). One could call it a Central Authentication Service, but that name is already used by a specific SSO protocol / implementation that's different from mine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C[…]ntication_Service |
| 22:44 | (just trying to avoid confusion because you mentioned that I work on CAS) | |
| 22:44 | pflores_ | ok, got it |
| 22:45 | silbe | G'night! |
| 22:46 | garycmartin | pflores_: sure, will ping you with a map of olpc-sur. I might just do one that covers all email to the list since may 2008 as an overview. |
| 22:46 | pflores_ | silbe: thanks good night! |
| 22:46 | garycmartin cool! | |
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| 22:48 | garycmartin | Night all. |
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