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| 20:00 | walterbender | cjb, bernie, alsroot, CanoeBerry, icarito, mchua_Afk : are you around? |
| 20:00 | bernie | walterbender: present |
| 20:00 | walterbender: can't type much though. got 2 splints | |
| 20:01 | walterbender | bernie: ouch |
| 20:01 | alsroot | here |
| 20:01 | walterbender | alsroot: thanks for getting back to Anton |
| 20:02 | icarito | hi |
| 20:03 | walterbender | icarito: spoke to Oscar this morning, but didn't manage to pin him down re Feb. |
| 20:03 | we have a quorum, so we should start | |
| 20:03 | #start-meeting | |
| 20:03 | meeting | Meeting started Thu Jan 13 20:03:31 2011 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 20:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 20:03 | walterbender | Welcome all |
| 20:04 | We have a few topics listed in the wiki for today: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/O[…]ht_Board/Meetings | |
| 20:04 | and also some general catching up to do. | |
| 20:06 | Maybe we can start with some outstanding requests regarding establishing Sugar Labs and the like | |
| 20:07 | As you may recall, the national university in Asuncion wants to establish a Sugar Lab | |
| 20:07 | bernie | yay |
| 20:08 | walterbender | They have a good CS program, want to offer courses for credit in Sugar and are anxious to work more closely with Paraguay Educa on Sugar deployments |
| 20:08 | They have a good working relationship with some of our developers, including tch and rgs | |
| 20:09 | As part of a grant proposal I helped write to a foundation in .py, we are seeking funds to help them recruit more students to work on Sugar and Sugar-related activities. | |
| 20:10 | I don't see any downside, but we should discuss/decide as a group if we agree to this as per our guidelines | |
| 20:11 | Any discussion? or should I just make a motion? | |
| 20:12 | CanoeBerry | hiya |
| 20:12 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: do you have the backlog? |
| 20:12 | bernie | of course yea from me |
| 20:12 | icarito | who is from py in the community? tch and rgs, right? |
| 20:12 | alsroot | didn't see any possible issues here :) |
| 20:12 | bernie | send them my way to setup the local lab physically |
| 20:12 | walterbender | yes... and others |
| 20:12 | icarito | thinks its great |
| 20:12 | CanoeBerry | yes, ihave the above 20 lines |
| 20:12 | walterbender | scs, pacita, cecilia, roberto... |
| 20:13 | bernie: I think we could get some hosting help from them | |
| 20:13 | icarito: and some faculty and a dean from the university | |
| 20:14 | MOTION: The Sugar Labs oversight board approves the application by the National University of Asuncion to create a local Sugar Lab. | |
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| 20:15 | CanoeBerry | +1, what's their site? |
| 20:15 | bernie | walterbender: now we're good with hosting. we could use a new mirror though |
| 20:15 | walterbender | thinks tch must not like the discussion topic :) |
| 20:15 | bernie | +1 |
| 20:15 | icaritox | +1 |
| 20:15 | walterbender | +1 |
| 20:15 | alsroot | +1 |
| 20:15 | walterbender | motion passes :) |
| 20:15 | bernie | CanoeBerry: pol.una.py |
| 20:16 | http://www.pol.una.py/ | |
| 20:16 | walterbender | I'll let them know... |
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| 20:16 | walterbender | That one was pretty straight forward. |
| 20:16 | bernie | it'a beautiful uni |
| 20:16 | ClaudiaU: hola | |
| 20:16 | walterbender | I had circulated another request from a group in Germany |
| 20:16 | Has everyone seen it? | |
| 20:17 | bernie | nope |
| 20:17 | icaritox | yup |
| 20:17 | CanoeBerry | reminder? |
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| 20:18 | walterbender | let me pastebin the email... one sec |
| 20:18 | ClaudiaU | hello |
| 20:19 | walterbender | hi ClaudiaU |
| 20:19 | icarito | walterbender, does py have an application too? |
| 20:19 | walterbender | as usual, pastebin.org is sloooow.... what is another one? |
| 20:20 | alsroot | walterbender: try .com one |
| 20:20 | walterbender | icarito: you mean an email? I think so, but I'll have to look. They has a letter of intent |
| 20:21 | http://pastebin.com/QsBPHieR | |
| 20:21 | icarito | just wanted to know as you mentioned guidelines |
| 20:21 | walterbender | bernie: can you please change the reference in #sugar to .com? |
| 20:21 | icarito: the guidelines are in the wiki... /me looks | |
| 20:22 | bernie | walterbender: how about fpaste.org ? |
| 20:23 | walterbender | bernie: that was the one I couldn't remember :) |
| 20:23 | icarito: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Local_Labs | |
| 20:23 | has everyone read Raffael's proposal? | |
| 20:24 | icarito | yes |
| 20:24 | bernie | nope |
| 20:24 | ClaudiaU | what proposal? |
| 20:24 | walterbender | to me, this one is fine in its intentions, but there is little track-record to go by... |
| 20:24 | bernie | ah, yes, I just did |
| 20:24 | walterbender | ClaudiaU: see the pastebin above |
| 20:24 | cjb | hi folks, sorry, had another Marvell meeting |
| 20:24 | ClaudiaU | sorry.. I am trying to catch up... :) |
| 20:24 | walterbender | cjb: do you need a backlog? |
| 20:25 | cjb | nope |
| 20:25 | walterbender | let me bring up a third request to add more context to the discussion. |
| 20:26 | bernie | walterbender: yes, it sounds good but it's not easy to tell if it really is good. I'd say, let's give him all the support he needs to succeed with this idea and see what happens |
| 20:26 | alsroot | cjb: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]etings/2011-01-13 |
| 20:26 | icarito | can more than one local lab exist in a country? |
| 20:27 | currently local labs seem terriotory based | |
| 20:27 | but i remember that was not the idea, right? | |
| 20:27 | +1 on what bernie said | |
| 20:28 | walterbender | http://pastebin.com/qWSeUvFH |
| 20:28 | icarito | on giving him the support |
| 20:28 | walterbender | this is a request to use our logo on a website in Pakistan |
| 20:29 | icarito: I don't see any fundamental issue with having multiple local labs in a single region | |
| 20:30 | alsroot | +1, to let people decide what it the most convenient scheme for them |
| 20:30 | walterbender | re the Pakistan request, this is a commercial site that provides services to schools. They are trying to get funding for a SoaS project and want to say that they have a relationship with us. |
| 20:30 | bernie | icarito: perhaps we could ask silbe and erikos to check on this guy? who else is from germany? |
| 20:30 | icarito | me neither but all labs have names like SL chile, sl colombia, sl deutschland now |
| 20:30 | walterbender | bernie: I had put Raffael in touch with erikos at one point. |
| 20:31 | bernie | icarito: we have one exception: sugar labs dc. it's not even a state :) |
| 20:31 | icarito | bernie, and somos azucar is sl peru name |
| 20:32 | walterbender | bernie: but lets presume that he checks out as a capable person... it is more a matter of how much a part of the community he is/will be... |
| 20:32 | bernie: I think Local Labs need to be part of the global community too... | |
| 20:32 | "Provide for communication,between the local communities and the global Sugar Labs community " | |
| 20:33 | icarito | would be good to recommend to labs to be subscribed and participate in IAEP |
| 20:33 | walterbender | but presumably this will happen... how much to we trust to spec? |
| 20:33 | alsroot | ..having all these local labs/portals we just need a global directory.. |
| 20:34 | walterbender | also, to the earlier point, since Erikos has a SL Berlin, maybe this should start as SL Muchen |
| 20:34 | icarito | we could eventually develop a guideline for local labs as we did for SL Projects |
| 20:35 | ClaudiaU | I think it is great to see all the labs developing.. it would be great to include in those guildelines what SL thinks are the elements of success... for example, connect to a local university, etc... but leave the final decisions to the locals |
| 20:35 | walterbender | +1 |
| 20:36 | wonders if anyone ever saw Raffael's post, since it was to slsl.o |
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| 20:36 | maybe I should recirculate it to iaep | |
| 20:36 | bernie | icarito: +1, maybe edit the local labs page to add these tips? |
| 20:36 | ClaudiaU | participating and contributing to the large community seems natural... they could have just opened any lab, but I wonder if guidelines to best ways to contribute and participate are also useful |
| 20:37 | bernie | ClaudiaU: I we should have things such as "join iaep" written in the form of advices for local labs, not requirements |
| 20:37 | walterbender | in this case, he has a university affiliation |
| 20:37 | bernie | can't type well sorry |
| 20:38 | ClaudiaU | yes, bernie... recommendations |
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| 20:39 | icaritox | sorry my connectino dropped - reading log |
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| 20:40 | walterbender | can someone agree to take charge of adding these recommendations to the Local Labs page? |
| 20:40 | bernie | icaritox: if you want, you could get a proxy: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/IRC_Proxy |
| 20:40 | walterbender | but what about these outstanding requests? |
| 20:41 | bernie | icaritox: you do it! you're a local lab, so you know better than us what's needed |
| 20:41 | icaritox | bernie there are some recommendations already like the university connection, did yuo mean specific recommendations like joining IAEP? |
| 20:42 | bernie | walterbender: I'm +1 on initiating the process for both sooner, even if it means less formality. so far, it went really well. |
| 20:42 | walterbender | I will (1) forward Raffael's email to iaep for comment; (2) make sure Sascha and Simon have spoken with him; and (3) ask about using SL Munich as the name. |
| 20:42 | icaritox | +1 too |
| 20:43 | bernie | icaritox: yes, plus any recommendation you can think of. take ownership of the page. |
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| 20:43 | walterbender | bernie: I don't know what you mean by initiating the process |
| 20:43 | icaritox | ok i can take responsibility for that |
| 20:43 | bernie | walterbender: +1 +1 +1 |
| 20:43 | walterbender | and (4) report back at the next meeting? |
| 20:44 | bernie | walterbender: for past LL's, we just gave them a wiki, an email domain and (sometimes) a google apps. |
| 20:44 | walterbender: and a link in the sidebar | |
| 20:44 | I think it worked well for all the local labs we created so far. | |
| 20:44 | walterbender | bernie: and support with grants... and potentially (the next topic) authorization to issue Sugar certificates :) |
| 20:45 | bernie: but we knew all the players quite well in every previous case | |
| 20:45 | icaritox | offers to take charge of recommendations in Local Labs page |
| 20:45 | walterbender | so we knew going in that we had a high probability of success |
| 20:45 | bernie | walterbender: true |
| 20:46 | walterbender | bernie: I don't want to make a lot of bureaucracy... just some due diligence |
| 20:46 | so let me do that and report back. | |
| 20:46 | what about Pakistan? Any problem with someone using our logo on their 'partner' page? (What does that mean to us?) | |
| 20:47 | bernie | walterbender: who asked? |
| 20:47 | icaritox | walterbender, about the topics for todays meeting, i find an old agenda in http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/O[…]ht_Board/Meetings |
| 20:48 | walterbender | icaritox: that is old in that we keep reusing it... |
| 20:48 | icaritox: but that is the agenda I have been working from... | |
| 20:48 | icaritox: just not in the order it is written | |
| 20:48 | icaritox | ah since you mentioned certificates |
| 20:48 | walterbender | can we just finish up re Pakistan first... |
| 20:49 | icaritox: I think certificates are part of the Local Lab discussion... | |
| 20:49 | I think using our logo with a link back to our site would be fine for someone doing SoaS deployments... comments? | |
| 20:50 | alsroot | +1 for Pakistan request |
| 20:51 | walterbender | anyone else have an opinion? |
| 20:51 | shahab has been working pretty closely with satellit_ on getting this working in Pakistan | |
| 20:51 | icaritox | i think its fine too |
| 20:52 | walterbender | also, further background, he was part of the group that I worked with to promote Sugar at all the Pakistani univestiies |
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| 20:52 | walterbender | let me make a motion then: |
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| 20:54 | bernie | walterbender: I'm +1 on being liberal in granting logo usage to local labs |
| 20:54 | walterbender | MOTION: The Sugar Labs oversight board approves the application by Shahab Najmi to put a logo and link to the Sugar Labs page from the partners page on www.uredge-Inc.com in support of his SoaS efforts in Pakistan. |
| 20:54 | +1 | |
| 20:54 | bernie: this is not a local lab | |
| 20:54 | cjb | seconded, +1 |
| 20:54 | bernie | walterbender: ah. I'm ok too, if the purpose is to run a soas pilot |
| 20:55 | silbe: read the backlog of this meeting, there's work for you to do :) | |
| 20:55 | walterbender | bernie: that is his intent... hopefully to go beyond a pilot |
| 20:55 | alsroot | +1 |
| 20:55 | bernie | walterbender: do we need someone to give him technical backing? |
| 20:55 | walterbender: in case soas has bugs... | |
| 20:56 | walterbender | satellit_ and I have been helping... he is in #sugar a lot these days |
| 20:56 | in case or when :) | |
| 20:56 | bernie: the work on getting virtual box to scale to full screen was in support of his efforts | |
| 20:57 | any more votes? | |
| 20:57 | we are hovering at 3+ right now... | |
| 20:57 | CanoeBerry, icarito? | |
| 20:58 | icarito | +1 |
| 20:58 | walterbender | OK. the motion passes... |
| 20:58 | CanoeBerry | I don't know these people, but +1 if other have confidence. |
| 20:58 | walterbender | I'll let him know. |
| 20:58 | bernie | walterbender: I think I know how to get the video driver to work in vbox... I just need to work with satellit_ a little longer |
| 20:59 | walterbender | We are running short of time, but I want to touch on the related topic of certificates, if people are up for it. |
| 20:59 | I think we should have a certificate program that is administered by local labs | |
| 21:00 | we need to design the ground rules... a task I am hoping a combination of ClaudiaU and perhaps icarito can take up. | |
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| 21:00 | walterbender | it would a nice authority to delegate, give them some leverage, and fill a real need |
| 21:00 | bernie | walterbender: can we ask FP UNA to give us their model for the certificate, stripped of their logos? it looked good. |
| 21:01 | ClaudiaU | I am happy to contribute! |
| 21:01 | walterbender | bernie: let's get them involved to work with ClaudiaU and Sebastian |
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| 21:01 | walterbender | bernie: I'll raise it with them when I write to them after this meeting. |
| 21:01 | but in general, what do people think of the idea? | |
| 21:02 | ClaudiaU | certificate program? |
| 21:02 | bernie | ClaudiaU: perhaps you could coordinate the program? |
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| 21:02 | walterbender | ClaudiaU: yes... the certificate program. |
| 21:03 | I see two different needs: teachers and developers | |
| 21:03 | ClaudiaU | walterbender: i think it is great! In educational settings is very motivating for teachers or any mentor who cares for the program |
| 21:03 | several programs I know have done that | |
| 21:03 | bernie | ClaudiaU: I ran a short Sugar course of a few weeks at FP UNA (paraguay's national university), alongside raul, tincho and jorge. |
| 21:03 | icaritox | this subject has come up in Peru also |
| 21:04 | walterbender | ClaudiaU: would you take this on and report back your thoughts when we meet again in two weeks? |
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| 21:04 | icaritox | would be good to standarize |
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| 21:04 | ClaudiaU | we have to decide what we want the certificate to entitle? |
| 21:04 | walterbender | ClaudiaU: I'll introduce you to Jorge, who is the person running the UNA local lab |
| 21:04 | ClaudiaU | ok walterbender! |
| 21:04 | icarito | i would like to be involved as walter proposed |
| 21:04 | would be glad to work with you ClaudiaU | |
| 21:04 | walterbender | ClaudiaU: you cannot use it to operate heavy equipment |
| 21:05 | ClaudiaU | ok walterbender ;) |
| 21:05 | icarito: happy to work together! | |
| 21:05 | bernie | walterbender: lol |
| 21:05 | walterbender | OK... so let's agree to discuss this time after ClaudiaU, icarito and Jorge have a couple of weeks to chew on it. |
| 21:05 | icarito | yes great to finally work together and meet you |
| 21:06 | walterbender | shall we meet again on the 27th? |
| 21:06 | bernie | walterbender: which jorge? jorge levara? |
| 21:06 | ClaudiaU | I am asking because a very successful certificate program I know in Colombia allows teachers to start teaching their science curriculum... |
| 21:06 | walterbender | bernie: yes... is that not the Jorge you were also referring to? |
| 21:06 | ClaudiaU | but I will brainstorm with icarito and report back |
| 21:07 | walterbender | ClaudiaU: +1 |
| 21:07 | bernie | walterbender: we had a jorge from pyedu teaching and a jorge professor from fpuna as a student |
| 21:07 | icarito | ClaudiaU, I'm in Colombia at the moment |
| 21:07 | for a while actually | |
| 21:08 | walterbender | bernie: I was thinking the prof. Jorge |
| 21:08 | ClaudiaU | ahh? good for you! |
| 21:08 | walterbender | we should perhaps end the formal meeting for today so alsroot can get to bed? |
| 21:08 | ClaudiaU | icarito: let's email and coordinate a call! are you in Bog? |
| 21:08 | icarito | ClaudiaU, lets coordinate over email perhaps we could skype some time to discuss the certificate program |
| 21:08 | walterbender | anything else we need to discuss today? |
| 21:09 | alsroot | has 3h for today :) |
| 21:09 | icarito | yes i'm in bogota at the moment but residing in the countryside |
| 21:09 | ClaudiaU | ok |
| 21:09 | walterbender | thanks everyone... good meeting today. |
| 21:10 | #end-meeting | |
| 21:10 | meeting | Meeting ended Thu Jan 13 21:10:31 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 21:10 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-13T20:03:31.html | |
| 21:10 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-01-13T20:03:31 | |
| 21:10 | icarito | thanks everyone |
| 21:11 | bernie | good meeting |
| 21:11 | icarito | when is next meeting? |
| 21:11 | bernie | many good news |
| 21:11 | ClaudiaU | bye everyone! |
| 21:12 | icarito | bye ClaudiaU talk to you soon |
| 21:13 | bye everyone | |
| 21:13 | cjb | bye, thanks |
| 21:16 | walterbender | icarito: in two weeks... 27th |
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| 21:24 | silbe | bernie: what exactly? I don't have time to read the full logs right now. |
| 21:29 | walterbender | silbe: your comments re http://pastebin.com/QsBPHieR |
| 21:54 | silbe | walterbender: I don't know Raffael personally. He asked on the olpc-de list about half a year ago if others are interested in founding a Local Lab for the Munich area. Nobody replied on-list. His mail to you says he wants to found a Local Lab for entire Germany. He didn't announce this intention anywhere, especially not on the olpc-de list. |
| 21:56 | walterbender: we should check with bertf if he knows anything about it. I think bertf is even part of OLPC Deutschland e.V. which is an existing legal body covering similar activities. I don't know why Raffael wants to found a new association and who would be part of it. | |
| 22:01 | walterbender | silbe: thanks for the feedback. |
| 22:02 | silbe | walterbender: please keep me posted. |
| 22:04 | It's a bit strange for me as both a German and a core Sugar contributor to hear the first time about Local Lab Germany when SLOB discusses it's request, rather than beforehand... | |
| 22:05 | But I'll nevertheless assume best intentions. | |
| 22:05 | walterbender | silbe: I think the problem was that he sent his request to slsl.o by mistake. I didn't catch the error. |
| 22:05 | silbe: he only sent the request a short while ago. | |
| 22:09 | silbe | walterbender: What I meant was that there was a request without me knowing even about the intention. If it's a Local Lab for entire Germany, then why wasn't it announced to the olpc-de list and / or Sugar contributors that are known to be Germans? |
| 22:10 | walterbender | silbe: I think it is really a Munich proposal... I am going to ask him about that... |
| 22:10 | silbe: note that it raised eyebrows at slobs too :P | |
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| 22:13 | silbe | walterbender: A quick look through me mail archive suggest he's definitely the guy for raising eyebrows. ;) |
| 22:13 | *my | |
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