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| 01:39 | alsroot | satellit__: after dd command, would be better to call "sync" command to be sure that all data a zeroed on the disk, just in case |
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| 10:51 | satellit__ | bernie: New Virtualbox Appliances of Trisquel-3-sugar and Debian-squeeze-sugar : http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Emulator_image_files : ) thanks |
| 11:00 | silbe | satellit__: thanks for making them! |
| 11:02 | satellit__ | they really work nicely and are very easy to import into Virtualbox......: ) |
| 11:03 | silbe: this may be a better way to distribute sugar than Soas | |
| 11:03 | silbe | satellit__: at least for some use cases, yep. |
| 11:03 | satellit__ | Bernie's idea |
| 11:05 | silbe: the Debian is a full gnome-squeeze desktop plus sugar emulator....nice | |
| 11:05 | silbe | satellit__: there's a lot of hardware (esp. netbooks) that doesn't have hardware virtualization support => VMs are horribly slow on them. |
| 11:05 | satellit__: but you get a native Sugar session by default? | |
| 11:06 | satellit__ | I am using it on Acer Aspire One...decent performance there |
| 11:06 | will try on EeePC900 next. | |
| 11:06 | MacBook Air is Very Fast.....: ) | |
| 11:08 | silbe | satellit__: which model of the aspire one? Wikipedia claims some of them have an Athlon II which has hardware virtualization support (Atom N270/N280 doesn't). |
| 11:09 | satellit__ | Mine has n450 Atom |
| 11:10 | same as used in test at MIT last year by ?Caroline and walter? | |
| 11:11 | 532h | |
| 11:12 | Acer Aspire One | |
| 11:12 | silbe | interesting. The N450 is supposed not to support hardware virtualization. |
| 11:13 | satellit__ | 2 to 3x faster than Live USB though |
| 11:14 | EeePC 900 original one is 900 MHZ Celeron testing now..... | |
| 11:15 | silbe | _faster_? That's strange. |
| 11:16 | satellit__ | New Virtualbox works very well. I like it more than Vmworkstation 6.5 or VMPlayer now..... |
| 11:17 | silbe | even with the best virtualization software I wouldn't expect it to be faster than running on bare metal. |
| 11:18 | satellit__ | no better than a booted live USB..... |
| 11:18 | silbe | The only thing that might make such a difference is USB stick vs. hard disk. |
| 11:18 | satellit__ | yes HD plus Virtualbox better than booted USB2 Soas |
| 11:19 | silbe | ok, so you're comparing SoaS running from a USB stick with a VM running from hard disk? |
| 11:19 | satellit__ | yes |
| 11:19 | silbe | that explains it, of course :) |
| 11:21 | it impairs the portability, though - that's why I said it's only better for some use cases. | |
| 11:21 | but if it runs well enough even without hardware virtualization support now, that's awesome news! | |
| 11:22 | satellit__ | nice for teachers |
| 11:23 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/M[…]rtualbox_Boot_USB also tried this where files are on 2nd USB (Portable) works but slower... | |
| 11:23 | testing | |
| 11:25 | Silbe: It is very possible to have files on 2nd USB and use HD install of Virtualbox. | |
| 11:26 | portable solution. no need for Boot USB with VB installed on it | |
| 11:30 | silbe | hmm, I don't quite understand that. Maybe you can explain it to me some other time, I should get started tidying up or I won't be finished when the guests arrive. ;) |
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| 11:31 | satellit__ | OK have fun |
| 11:32 | silbe | thx, you too! |
| 11:32 | satellit__ | : ) |
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| 15:39 | bernie | satellit__: nice! have you been working with the trisquel folks? |
| 15:39 | satellit__: the fsf also works with them | |
| 15:39 | silbe: btw, I never told carlos to slam the jffs2 image on the usb stick! I told him to rsync the files over... of course! | |
| 15:44 | satellit__ | bernie: I did some testing last year when trisquel-3 sugar was being built |
| 15:46 | I just heard from sean: he likes the Virtual appliances....needs tam tam ....suite to work. I am testing them on 3 Virtual appliances on MacBook Air now..... | |
| 15:53 | bernie | satellit__: very cool, thanks! |
| 15:59 | silbe | bernie: Did you tell him how to mount the jffs2 image? Neither the OLPC builds nor the Debian distro kernel ship the module required to do that... |
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| 16:07 | satellit__ | bernie: It turns out that on MacAir speak and 3 tam tam apps have nice audio only on Trisquel-3 sugar Speak works on speak works on all three. |
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| 16:46 | bernie | silbe: I told him to mount a usb stick on an XO, then do rsync -PHAXphax / /media/FOOBAR/ |
| 16:47 | satellit__: on which distros are these apps buggy? | |
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| 16:52 | satellit__ | bernie: tam tam suite only work well on Trisquel-3 sugar. Soas-v3 has choppy audio, Debian-squeeze sugar-emulator they do not start. Have not tested on others except here:http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]vity_Test_Results |
| 16:54 | all three Virtualbox Appliances play speak on MacBook Air NOT on Acer Aspire One. | |
| 16:55 | (no sound on speak on Acer) | |
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| 17:49 | silbe | bernie: we don't have any Dextrose image that you can put on a USB stick and mount from a regular system. We only have JFFS2 images and those require special kernel modules to mount. |
| 17:52 | satellit__afk | silbe: I t would be nice to generate an .iso of dextrose if it can be done... |
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| 17:55 | silbe | satellit__afk: ISO would require a lot of additional work. An ext3 image that's able to boot on non-XOs is possible, however, and SMParrish promised to give it a try. |
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| 18:11 | bernie | silbe: the olpc-os-bulder outputs a tar.gz. |
| 18:12 | silbe: and the sd images built for the xo-1.5 are probably ok for an external USB or SD too | |
| 18:12 | silbe: probably SMParrish does not upload the tar.gz | |
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| 18:15 | silbe | bernie: nop, he isn't uploading them yet. He promised to do it the next time, though. :) |
| 18:16 | bernie: the XO-1.5 images are jffs2, too. None of them work on external media for XO-1; haven't tried XO-1.5 (I specifically needed an XO-1 for testing). | |
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| 19:46 | bernie | SMParrish: you could just rsync the entire build/output directory, the other files are also useful |
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