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| 13:59 | silbe | #startmeeting |
| 13:59 | meeting | Meeting started Sat Dec 4 13:59:59 2010 UTC. The chair is silbe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 13:59 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 14:00 | silbe | #meetingname activity_central |
| 14:00 | meeting | The meeting name has been set to 'activity_central' |
| 14:00 | SMParrish | silbe: Good morning |
| 14:01 | silbe | bernie, SMParrish, alsroot, tch: friendly meeting reminder ;) |
| 14:01 | m_anish_afk: dito ;) | |
| 14:02 | I don't think I see Pablo... | |
| 14:02 | alsroot | hi all |
| 14:02 | silbe | Good evening SMParrish, alsroot :) |
| 14:08 | hmm, doesn't look like bernie, m_anish_afk or Pablo will turn up. | |
| 14:09 | there's no agenda in the wiki, so I'd propose the following: | |
| 14:09 | 1. EMail addrs | |
| 14:09 | 2. Reports: - alsroot - silbe - smparrish - m_anish - tch | |
| 14:09 | 3. Various | |
| 14:10 | any additions or alterations? | |
| 14:11 | ok, let's start then | |
| 14:11 | #topic ac.com email addresses | |
| 14:13 | I've created activitycentral.com email addresses for alsroot, m_anish_afk (anish), bernie, dfarning, myself (silbe), SMParrish and tch. | |
| 14:14 | as dfarning explained, usage of these addresses is going to be our primary means of advertising for the next few months, so please use them whenever appropriate. | |
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| 14:14 | silbe | and if I overlooked someone who should have an ac.com address, please tell me. |
| 14:15 | #topic Reports | |
| 14:15 | alsroot: the stage is yours :) | |
| 14:16 | alsroot | dunno, didn't have particular ac related work.. |
| 14:16 | silbe | alsroot: ok. Anything you're going to work on next week? |
| 14:17 | alsroot | works on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/P[…]form_Team/Roadmap primarily |
| 14:18 | silbe | I have no idea what anything on that page means, but I guess that's ok ;) |
| 14:18 | (well, except for aslo, of course) | |
| 14:20 | alsroot | thats just part of my "support upstream" work within ac |
| 14:20 | ..I guess | |
| 14:21 | silbe | personally, I've been working on cleaning up the Patchwork queue. We're now down to about 100 (from over 300) patches in the queue. I was able to push a bunch of patches, but we're still blocked because I didn't get hold of erikos for long enough. I'm still hopeful we'll be able to unblock within the next week, however. |
| 14:22 | once we got the new process agreed on, I'll get a bunch of my own outstanding patches through review and start working on getting the remaining Dextrose patches ready for submission. | |
| 14:22 | SMParrish: you're next | |
| 14:24 | BTW, 2011-01-14 sounds fine. | |
| 14:24 | SMParrish | I have been working on a new release, had some patch collisions that I got resolved this morning. Also am starting the work to merge our buildsystem and DSD's to start making Dextrose3 builds |
| 14:24 | silbe did you get my email about needing a branched Sugar with our patchset | |
| 14:24 | silbe | SMParrish: what's the difference between our current and dsd's build system? |
| 14:24 | SMParrish: ^ ("2011-01-14 sounds fine") | |
| 14:25 | SMParrish | silbe: For the XO-1 we use jffs2 and the new one uses ubifs. We also have some customizations that need to be ported over |
| 14:26 | so we will be changing filesystems on the XO1 | |
| 14:27 | we also are going to have to address the yum memory issues since we will be basing on F14 and people may want to update the base os | |
| 14:27 | silbe | that reminds me: can you build an ext3 image and/or a tarball as well? That would help a lot with testing, as we could install to external storage (SD card, USB stick) and keep the system on NAND / internal SD card unaffected. |
| 14:27 | SMParrish | I am going to be talking with the RH yum maintainer and see what we can do |
| 14:27 | silbe | it would also help a user who has a broken NAND (chatted with him on #sugar this week) |
| 14:28 | SMParrish | silbe: Sure the build system does that I just have not been posting them |
| 14:28 | silbe | SMParrish: looking forward to that. I suppose this doesn't block our other yum update work (updating from just our own repositories)? |
| 14:29 | SMParrish: thanks! | |
| 14:29 | SMParrish | yw |
| 14:30 | silbe | SMParrish: the ability to test in a VM (=> regular PC bootloader, non-XO kernel) would help as well. ;) |
| 14:31 | m_anish_afk: would be next. Maybe he'll join later. | |
| 14:31 | SMParrish | silbe: I'll look into that should not be too difficult to use stock kernel |
| 14:31 | silbe | SMParrish: thanks again! |
| 14:31 | tch doesn't seem to be here either :-/ | |
| 14:32 | he's been working on the notifications stuff and even posted a patch upstream, but I still don't see updated mockups :( | |
| 14:33 | #topic Various | |
| 14:33 | anything else someone would like to talk about? | |
| 14:34 | lucian | was thinking perhaps yum would run on pypy with lower memory usage |
| 14:35 | but that wouldn't solve the distribution problems | |
| 14:35 | silbe | lucian: is PyPy complete enough now that it would run yum? |
| 14:36 | lucian | silbe: it's fully 2.5 compatible + ctypes |
| 14:36 | silbe | (let's continue this after the meeting) |
| 14:36 | lucian | sure |
| 14:36 | silbe | I don't see anyone else speaking up, so let's finish |
| 14:36 | 3 | |
| 14:37 | lucian | 2 |
| 14:37 | SMParrish | 1 |
| 14:37 | silbe | #endmeeting |
| 14:37 | meeting | Meeting ended Sat Dec 4 14:37:35 2010 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:37 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-04T13:59:59.html | |
| 14:37 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]10-12-04T13:59:59 | |
| 14:39 | silbe | lucian: interesting. Maybe we'll be able to run 0.92 on PyPy. I'm going to replace/outsource a few of the parts that are written in C. |
| 14:39 | e.g. we ship an ancient copy of gnome-session as part of sugar-toolkit. | |
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| 14:39 | lucian | silbe: there's cpyext, which is a clone of the C API in CPython |
| 14:39 | it's mostly source-compatible, but incomplete | |
| 14:40 | silbe: the problem is, there's no pygtk right now, even | |
| 14:41 | silbe | upstream has recently made I change I requested so we can switch to upstream gnome-session instead |
| 14:41 | lucian | right |
| 14:41 | silbe | s/I change/a change/ |
| 14:41 | lucian: how about the introspection stuff? Would that allow us to use GTK on PyPy? | |
| 14:41 | lucian | i need to find some time for fixing some Browse bugs and finishing the switch to webkit |
| 14:42 | silbe | and fixing Read ;) |
| 14:42 | lucian | silbe: you'd need to rewrite pygobject's introspection stuff in pure python + ctypes |
| 14:42 | or maybe it'd work with cpyext, but it's unlikely | |
| 14:42 | silbe: that too, yes | |
| 14:42 | silbe | lucian: ok, so not easily. Bummer. |
| 14:43 | lucian | silbe: for anything that's not CPython, ctypes is the only thing you can even remotely rely on |
| 14:43 | silbe | lucian: does ctypes work on Jython et al.? |
| 14:44 | lucian | silbe: not jython, but ironpython afaik |
| 14:44 | but if someone care enough, it could be made to run on jython without too much work | |
| 14:44 | silbe | interesting |
| 14:44 | lucian | PyPy's ctypes is pure-python and uses _rawffi |
| 14:44 | silbe | what's _rawffi? |
| 14:45 | lucian | silbe: a wrapper over libffi |
| 14:45 | silbe | hmm, sounds like something I wanted to work on some time back. Good thing somebody else did the work. ;) |
| 14:47 | lucian | silbe: yeah. and I keep wondering why pygobject-introspection isn't pure python too |
| 14:47 | anyway, when I have enough time to fix Browse and Read, i'll look at pypy too | |
| 14:49 | silbe | lucian: I'll be curious about your results. Though obviously my personal priority is working code for current distros (hint, hint). ;) |
| 14:55 | lucian | silbe: i know. i'm just hoping to magically fix memory usage & speed by switching to a different runtime |
| 14:57 | silbe | lucian: I have a feeling the work would better be spent by analysing our current memory usage and bottlenecks. But I have to admit PyPy beats it on the fun factor, which is not to be underestimated. |
| 14:57 | lucian | silbe: heh |
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| 14:59 | m_anish | reads up :/ |
| 14:59 | silbe | m_anish: you're exactly one hour late :-P |
| 15:01 | m_anish | silbe, sorry :( |
| 15:01 | silbe | m_anish: can you go through your patches on https://patchwork.sugarlabs.or[…]oject/sugar/list/ to check for obsolete or already-merged patches, please? |
| 15:01 | m_anish | silbe, ok |
| 15:02 | silbe | m_anish: don't worry, it happens. And you weren't the only one missing. :-/ |
| 15:02 | m_anish: what's your current work? Are you blocked on anything? | |
| 15:02 | m_anish | silbe, I remembered that there was a meeting, just couldn't make it.. |
| 15:02 | scans patchwork | |
| 15:04 | ok, starting from the top, there is a list of patches, for the resource and memory usage indicator, and after long discussions with tomeu, bernie (on list, and trac) we decided not to upstream this | |
| 15:05 | https://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/161/ https://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/160/ these (or similar/related) patches are upstream | |
| 15:05 | s/upstream/upstreamed/ | |
| 15:05 | silbe, there's only one page left on patchwork? | |
| 15:05 | silbe | m_anish: ok. Does Dextrose have the latest patch(es) you submitted upstream? |
| 15:06 | m_anish: yep, I did quite a lot of cleanup this work. | |
| 15:06 | we even managed to push a bunch of patches into mainline | |
| 15:06 | m_anish | silbe, great! I think it does, i'll double check |
| 15:07 | silbe | m_anish: it would be great if you could check whether the patches went in as-is or in modified form and mark them as such (i.e. either Superseded or Accepted) on Patchwork. Please set them to Archived, too. |
| 15:07 | m_anish: thx! | |
| 15:08 | going afk, bbl | |
| 15:08 | m_anish | silbe, i'll do that |
| 15:08 | silbe, great work btw :), kudos! | |
| 15:08 | bows to silbe | |
| 15:08 | silbe | m_anish: same to you :) |
| 15:09 | don't bow yet - we're still not unblocked upstream, just got a few patches through :( | |
| 15:09 | m_anish | silbe, still, its more progress than we ever made before (i think) |
| 15:10 | silbe, what abt the two which aren't supposed to be upstreamed (resource indicator related)? | |
| 15:22 | the patch "Journal:show error message on write failure: #1842" was committed as is but was later modified by erikos (in a different commit) | |
| 15:25 | silbe | m_anish: you can mark those as Rejected. I might submit them again when I'm going through all of the Dextrose patches to port them to 0.90. |
| 15:25 | m_anish: if it went in as-is, you can mark it as Accepted. | |
| 15:25 | m_anish | silbe, ok |
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| 15:28 | silbe | tch: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]10-12-04T13:59:59 |
| 15:28 | m_anish | silbe, actually, Superseded, with inputs from alsroot :) |
| 15:29 | silbe, and dextrose doesn;t have the latest one ten | |
| 15:29 | s/ten/then | |
| 15:29 | tch | hello guys, sorry i could not make it in time, |
| 15:29 | silbe: thanks, reading | |
| 15:29 | m_anish | silbe, http://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar[…]2b0d8bcd84d0f3992 is what i'm referring to |
| 15:30 | silbe | m_anish: ok |
| 15:32 | m_anish | silbe, do I also "delegate it to" someone |
| 15:32 | silbe | m_anish: nop, that's for the maintainers. |
| 15:32 | m_anish | silbe, ok |
| 15:39 | silbe, re "Add ErrorAlert inherited from Alert", the patch that went mainline had one more line "+# Copyright (C) 2010, Anish Mangal <anishmangal2002gmail.com>", patchwork and dextrose contain the patch w/o this change |
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| 15:40 | silbe, i'm marking it as superseded anyway | |
| 15:40 | silbe | m_anish: that's fine IMO |
| 15:40 | but I don't really care either way | |
| 15:40 | m_anish | silbe, accepted it is then :) |
| 15:41 | silbe | would love to purge all "Copyright" mentions from the code base. |
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| 15:43 | m_anish | silbe, :), stupid question, do you want to archive the rejected ones too? |
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| 15:43 | silbe | m_anish: yep. Please archive everything we don't need to look at again. |
| 15:43 | m_anish | silbe, k |
| 15:43 | silbe | where "we" = upstream |
| 15:44 | m_anish | silbe, ok, i've done all the changes you said. Anything else? |
| 15:45 | silbe, my agenda for next week is to run around preparing for my py trip, (i'll be thr on 14th dec.), but before I go, I'll have the microformat updater patch out | |
| 15:46 | silbe | m_anish: great! |
| 15:48 | m_anish: BTW, I gathered from the discussions that we had a microformat updater in 0.84, but yours is written from scratch. Why is that? (I'm quite sure there are very good reasons for rewriting it from scratch - I'd just like to know them). | |
| 15:49 | m_anish | silbe, part of the reason is that the old one used the bitfrost library, we i guess we don't have available |
| 15:49 | silbe | ah, that's a good reason indeed. |
| 15:49 | what features that the old one had will yours be missing? | |
| 15:50 | m_anish | silbe, actually someone named Akash Gangil (nick=gangil) wrote the new one, but it needed many changes from me |
| 15:51 | silbe, hmm, None, probably? I can install new activities and update existing ones | |
| 15:51 | i can query for size, if the newly added optional 'olpc-activity-size' tag is absent | |
| 15:51 | silbe | m_anish: please remember to mention that in the patch (not sure about the best way to do it; will need to check SubmittingPatches). |
| 15:52 | (re. the author of the patch) | |
| 15:52 | m_anish | silbe, I can probably include your suggestion (sha1 checksum) if it is valued ;) |
| 15:52 | silbe | m_anish: what about performance? |
| 15:53 | m_anish | silbe, hmm, if we have olpc-activity-size mentioned, its faster than the old one, otherwise, similar performance i guess, i haven't run formal benchmarks yet. |
| 15:54 | silbe | m_anish: I suppose for the updater checking the integrity of the zip file (ActivityBundle has a method to do that IIRC) should be enough. It's more interesting for e.g. torrent integration. |
| 15:54 | m_anish: ok. If you get around to do it, a small test run over high latency links would be interesting. | |
| 15:55 | m_anish | silbe, there are three main stages (1) searching for new and updated stuff (2) selecting what to be installed (3) downloading and installing ... olpc-activity-size reduces the delay in (1) which I guess is most annoying |
| 15:55 | silbe, i'll try to do it | |
| 15:55 | silbe | m_anish: thx & good luck with your journey! |
| 15:55 | m_anish | silbe, thanks! |
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| 21:05 | bernie | silbe, alsroot, SMParrish: damn, I forgot about it! I was exhausted, sorry |
| 21:08 | alsroot | bernie: bounced between ikea and your apartments? |
| 21:20 | silbe | bernie: the logs are at http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]10-12-04T13:59:59 |
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