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| 13:54 | m_anish | we've a meeting here in 6 mins right? |
| 13:55 | dfarning | m_anish, yes |
| 13:56 | m_anish | dfarning, ok |
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| 13:59 | dfarning | m_anish, arjs good morning:) |
| 13:59 | does this time work for you? | |
| 14:00 | m_anish | dfarning, hola! it does for me. |
| 14:00 | dfarning | bernie, tch, silbe, alsroot, SMParrish ping |
| 14:01 | silbe | hello everyone! |
| 14:01 | walterbender_ | tch: congrats re your thesis!! |
| 14:01 | dfarning | nice. is it 7:30 PM for you? |
| 14:01 | alsroot | hi all |
| 14:01 | tch | hello everyone :) |
| 14:01 | dfarning: pong | |
| 14:02 | walterbender: thanks :D | |
| 14:02 | dfarning | #startmeeting |
| 14:02 | meeting | Meeting started Sat Nov 27 14:02:05 2010 UTC. The chair is dfarning. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 14:02 | dfarning | hmmm looks like bernie and SMParrish are sleeping in. |
| 14:03 | should we start with how best to create a Sugar-next branch -- for tch, alsroot, and silbe? | |
| 14:04 | alsroot | dfarning: is it a branch w/ dextrose related patches? |
| 14:04 | silbe | dfarning: you should start by explaining what it is :) |
| 14:05 | dfarning | alsroot, +1. I am thinking of it as being similar to the linux-next branch. |
| 14:06 | alsroot | dfarning: settling down upstream procedures may affect on sugar-next |
| 14:06 | dfarning | we, can take aggregate all of the AC and deployment specific patches into a branch which OLPC and SL can cherry pick as needed. |
| 14:06 | arjs | dfarning m_anish good morning/evening :) this time works well, this day especially (saturday) |
| 14:07 | dfarning | alsroot, yes, settling down upstream will help.... |
| 14:08 | my concern is that we currently have a push development model. Where it is up to AC and deployment to push their work into mainline. | |
| 14:08 | silbe | dfarning: we should wait for bernie before discussing that |
| 14:09 | alsroot | silbe: +1 -- dfarning: meanwhile, sugar-next is more a deployment centric branch on top of upstream glucose projects(w/o activities)? |
| 14:09 | tch | dfarning: is thereaanything else we can discuss meanwhile, until bernie and steven wake up, :) |
| 14:09 | silbe | dfarning: I don't think push vs. pull will change in the near to medium term. We don't have dedicated maintainers upstream. |
| 14:10 | dfarning | the -next model creates a pull model where others can pull the stuff they feel valuable? |
| 14:10 | silbe | dfarning: who is "others"? |
| 14:10 | in terms of actual persons, I mean | |
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| 14:11 | dfarning | silbe, primarly AC, OLPC, and SL |
| 14:13 | alsroot | dfarning: but original purpose of sugar-next is deployment centric direction? |
| 14:13 | silbe | dfarning: as I see it, it's primarily Simon and me, with Simon on the OLPC side and me on the AC side. |
| 14:13 | both of us are also upstream maintainers | |
| 14:14 | tch | alsroot: i have the impression that is the idea behind |
| 14:14 | alsroot | silbe: there is difference between just particular project and various downstream related needs (eg gray patches) |
| 14:15 | dfarning | silbe, OLPC has expressed an interest in create an OLPC-next branch until SL has it maintainer situation figured out. |
| 14:15 | silbe | alsroot: and how does that implicate a need for a repository that SL and OLPC can pull from? |
| 14:16 | dfarning: chances are we get the situation resolved before the repository has been created | |
| 14:16 | I need a long chat with Simon yesterday and we made considerable progress | |
| 14:17 | m_anish | dfarning, is it meant to include stuff that isn't upstreamble by design/requirement? or is it required because we gave up trying (to push patches)? |
| 14:17 | silbe | he wanted to give it a nights rest and will be offline during the weekend, but I expect us to be able to start discussion on the list on monday |
| 14:19 | alsroot | silbe: to be honest, I pretty tired from ML discussions.. |
| 14:19 | tch | m_anish: for what i understand both scenarios are considered, actually dextrose is full of those kind of stuff/patches |
| 14:19 | alsroot | silbe: I guess, if people have something to do, they just do :) |
| 14:20 | dfarning | silbe, If so, that is great.... But my guess based on based history is that you and simon will agree on a a workflow. but others will pipe up with reasons to veto patches and you will get into endless ml discussion. |
| 14:20 | silbe | alsroot: Simon and I basically agreed on a new process, we just need to fix it down and have others agree with it. |
| 14:20 | alsroot | silbe: is it related to engineering team or it is new new initiative? :) |
| 14:21 | silbe | alsroot: I don't fully understand your engineering team, but AFAICT it's closely related :) |
| 14:21 | dfarning | m_anish, both reasons. There are legitimately reasons why we may differ from upstream/OLPC and there is a problem getting patches upstreamed. |
| 14:22 | silbe, is it your postion that a -next branch is unnecessary? | |
| 14:22 | m_anish | dfarning, tch, would it make sense then to give two directions to a single branch? (I frankly don't know and there are much better experienced ppl here than me ;-)) |
| 14:24 | alsroot | silbe: since I somehow described it on wiki, better to have something similar to what you and erikos came to agreement -- ie. not email post but wiki page (w/ all related things, thinking about org architecture etc) |
| 14:24 | silbe | dfarning: at the moment I think it is. We can still create one later if the situation changes. |
| 14:25 | alsroot | messed in guessing w/ what other think, and tends to think that other just don't care about it all and just reflect to ML posts |
| 14:25 | dfarning | silbe, How should we deal with differences between AC and upstream? |
| 14:25 | silbe | dfarning: if all patches that go into Dextrose go through me, there won't be a lot of patches that upstream will refuse. |
| 14:26 | tch | m_anish: i think both are related, unstreamable stuff leads to a waste of efforts trying to get it pushed. But not all the custom feature should land on that category. |
| 14:27 | there will always be a need for downstream solutions, dextrose is s great platform for that.. what we have in py and uy now is a great example | |
| 14:29 | dfarning | OK, silbe is the patch master. Let's support your efforts to mainline as much as possiable. How about a hard date of two to revist this issues to see what sort of progess you and simon have made? |
| 14:30 | silbe | dfarning: not sure what "of two" means, but otherwise agreed. |
| 14:30 | dfarning | silbe:( two weeks. |
| 14:31 | silbe we will ask for a progress update on Dec 11. Sound sane? | |
| 14:32 | silbe | dfarning: sounds good to me |
| 14:33 | m_anish | tch, hmm, sugar-next is gonna contain a mix of stuff that isn't _meant_ to be upstreamed and stuff which we're trying to get pushed. How easy or difficult would the management of such a branch be? i don't know :/ |
| 14:34 | dfarning | ok. next topic -- how about the yum based updater? alsroot did you get a chance to talk to smparish? |
| 14:34 | alsroot | dfarning: didn't get pong from SMParrish |
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| 14:36 | dfarning | m_anish, I agree that is the question. I don't think any of us know.... but rather than force a decsion based on incomplete knowledge, let's see how things go over the next two week and readdress the issue with more knowledge. |
| 14:36 | m_anish | dfarning, +1 |
| 14:37 | dfarning | alsroot, I'll try to get ahold of steven.... |
| 14:39 | alsroot, In the mean time would it be possible for you to test the cron jobs you have in mind. PY won't update until this issues is resolved. | |
| 14:40 | alsroot, rather PY won't deploy dextrose until this is resolved. | |
| 14:40 | alsroot | dfarning: it should be trivial, will compose particular cron task in my fc11 VM |
| 14:41 | dfarning | alsroot, thanks. |
| 14:41 | alsroot | dfarning: will post results to ML yum-updater tread |
| 14:42 | dfarning | is there anything else pressing? From what I can tell everything else is starting to fall into place. |
| 14:43 | silbe | alsroot: just in case: please remember to send the cron output to some permanent log location (e.g. by using logger if we keep /var/log on permanent storage) |
| 14:43 | dfarning: what about the email addresses? | |
| 14:44 | alsroot | silbe: I guess it will be overkill, if every XO will send daily reposrts |
| 14:44 | silbe | alsroot: it should be saved for later inspection in case something went wrong, not sent to somebody to fill up the inbox. |
| 14:45 | alsroot | silbe: it was Re to "what about the email addresses" |
| 14:45 | dfarning | silbe, thanks, silbe set up email addresses for activitycentral.com can you all reply to the agenda thread with your prefered alias? |
| 14:45 | silbe | alsroot: ^ |
| 14:46 | (the ac.com addresses are not meant for updater logs ;) ) | |
| 14:46 | dfarning | the email address is going to be our entire marketing for the next 4 month! |
| 14:48 | We are not going to go out and 'sell' what AC is doing. instead we will focus on showing that interesting and usefull stuff is being done by people with ac.com addresses. | |
| 14:49 | silbe | FYI: you can send to all mailing lists using your @ac.com address if you subscribe to a list and disable delivery (so you don't get the mails twice) |
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| 14:49 | silbe | if you prefer, you can of course also unsubscribe with your "old" address and subscribe with the new one. |
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| 14:50 | dfarning | ok, anything else. we are 11 minutes under the hour. |
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| 14:50 | thanks everybody for a great week:) | |
| 14:50 | #endmeeting | |
| 14:50 | meeting | Meeting ended Sat Nov 27 14:50:55 2010 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:50 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-27T14:02:05.html | |
| 14:50 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]10-11-27T14:02:05 | |
| 14:51 | silbe | dfarning: that would have been too fast if I were still typing sth. :-P |
| 14:51 | dfarning | silbe sorry -- I am the slowest typer I know:( I |
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| 14:52 | dfarning | silbe, I'll slow down the countdown next week:) |
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| 14:53 | silbe | dfarning: thx :) |
| 14:53 | dfarning | m_anish, do you have a departure date? |
| 14:53 | silbe | have a nice day everyone! |
| 14:54 | m_anish | dfarning, not yet, but its close |
| 14:55 | dfarning | m_anish, nice, They are looking forward to seeing you. |
| 14:55 | m_anish | dfarning, :) |
| 14:55 | tch | m_anish: i spoke to roberto, and hes waiting for you to start a few projects |
| 14:57 | m_anish | tch, ok |
| 14:58 | tch | m_anish: setting up and testing the updater would probably be your first task :) |
| 14:58 | m_anish | tch, :) |
| 14:59 | tch | m_anish: :) |
| 14:59 | dfarning | m_anish, tch I think pairing you together will be very effective. PY is doing some of the most interesting work. |
| 15:01 | tch | dfarning, m_anish: they will when anish arrives ; |
| 15:01 | ) | |
| 15:01 | ;) | |
| 15:01 | m_anish | tch, heh |
| 15:01 | dfarning | I think m_anish working with roberto and tch hacking from an undisturbed location will suit you both:) |
| 15:03 | tch | dfarning: i think roberto is already working on isolating his team, and making others pyedu members to respect the communication mechanisms |
| 15:04 | hopefully it works out, i can't tell how it goes when it does not work. | |
| 15:06 | dfarning | tch, that is great. And based on his push for the updater... he is making sure the needs of the education team are being communicated back to the tech team. |
| 15:10 | tch | with the increasing number of laptops, and the very few technical personnel in caacupe, it would be a crazy to do a mass update without an updater |
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| 16:35 | bernie | dfarning, silbe, alsroot: hello people... sorry I'm late |
| 16:35 | silbe | bernie: you're not late, you're too early for the next meeting :-P |
| 16:36 | bernie | <dfarning> hmmm looks like bernie and SMParrish are sleeping in. |
| 16:36 | this is exactly what happened to me :-( | |
| 16:36 | but I have a great excuse: the gnu.org website was hacked yesterday night | |
| 16:36 | silbe | bernie: cool! ;) |
| 16:36 | how did they get in? | |
| 16:39 | alsroot | is posting to several news sites, "From our insider, fsf.org was hacked yesterday..." |
| 16:40 | bernie | silbe: via savannah |
| 16:40 | silbe: sql injection | |
| 16:42 | silbe: the cracker is a 16 years old kid in Tblisi, Georgia: http://vaska94.net/ | |
| 16:45 | cjb | bernie: did you send him mail congratulating him? ;-) |
| 16:51 | silbe | bernie: nice :) |
| 16:59 | bernie | cjb: we definitely should |
| 16:59 | cjb: he worked on it for 3 days... | |
| 16:59 | silbe: have you seen the video demonstrating the crack? http://vaska94.net/2010/11/25/gnu-got-pwned/ | |
| 17:14 | silbe | bernie: hmm, the interesting parts are missing... Have you figured it out yet? |
| 17:28 | bernie | silbe: yes, there was an sql injection error in message.php. my colleague ward fixed it yesterday night. |
| 17:29 | silbe | bernie: can you post the diff? I'd be curious what the code looked like exactly. |
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