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| 15:09 | satellit_ | mchua: have DR appoinment today may not be at soas meeting. (1:pm PST) |
| 15:11 | mchua | nods |
| 15:12 | satellit_ | spins work but need to fix 6x keychain password popups (no keychain was ever set) |
| 15:12 | tomeu | satellit_: is there a soas bug about it? |
| 15:13 | satellit_ | http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2339 |
| 15:15 | https://admin.fedoraproject.or[…]gar-0.89.9-1.fc14 fixed with tomeu this morning | |
| 15:16 | http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2335 | |
| 15:16 | tomeu | soas bugs are tracked in sugarlabs.org, not fedora, right? |
| 15:17 | satellit_ | tomeu: I do not know |
| 15:17 | did I file them wrong? | |
| 15:18 | tomeu | don't know, just asking |
| 15:18 | have commented in the keyring bug | |
| 15:19 | satellit_ | mchua did I file the 2 bugs in error? |
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| 15:31 | mchua | tomeu, satellit_ Yes, soas bugs are tracked in sugar. |
| 15:33 | satellit_ | mchua http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2335 needs to have this changed then.... |
| 15:33 | not assigned ... | |
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| 16:01 | satellit_ | mchua: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2351 software update not working sugar 0.89.6 |
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| 17:13 | satellit_ | mchua: latest Nightly works http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]_process#CD_Boots when do we set up testing or will this page work? |
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| 19:01 | Raffael | Is anybody out there? |
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| 19:03 | atphalix | is the meeting over or not started yet? |
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| 19:20 | JT4sugar | walterbender, You around? |
| 19:24 | walterbender | hi |
| 19:31 | JT4sugar | walterbender, Hi |
| 19:34 | walterbender | JT4sugar: so, what is up? |
| 19:35 | JT4sugar | walterbender, I am talking to HP Business Notebook vertical solutions unit they have interest in getting Sugar into products your thoughts and any advice would be helpful |
| 19:37 | walterbender | JT4sugar: do you know if they already offer any GNU/Linux solutions on their notebooks? Ubuntu? Fedora? |
| 19:37 | JT4sugar | walterbender, They have Opensuse/Suse Enterprise that have been tweaked to work with their products |
| 19:38 | walterbender | OK. I am not sure how up to date the Opensuse Sugar is, but they do have a community we could work with. |
| 19:38 | You can also mention Fedora and Ubuntu as supported environments for Sugar. | |
| 19:40 | JT4sugar | walterbender, I am working off the prototype HP-Suse showed at computex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib05z7QM8GU |
| 19:40 | walterbender | looks |
| 19:41 | JT4sugar | walterbender, From what I can see HP has relationship with Red Hat. From reading threads is plan for Sugar to be offered in Red Hat RHEL at some point? |
| 19:41 | walterbender | about the time that video was made, Opensuse was still pretty current with Sugar |
| 19:42 | JT4sugar: there is an unsupported port of Sugar to RHEL6 | |
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| 19:43 | alsroot | is wondering how sugar could be useful to rhel users :) |
| 19:43 | walterbender | but we can play our long-standing relationship with RH or offer to work with whomever they'd like. But Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, and OpenSuse would all be relatively easy |
| 19:43 | alsroot: you have the sign bit wrong. | |
| 19:44 | JT4sugar | walterbender, My understanding is there will be some HP Linux folks on call tomorrow so all these possible avenues will be good conversations |
| 19:44 | walterbender | alsroot: how can rhel be useful to Sugar users? |
| 19:44 | JT4sugar: I am back in Boston Thursday PM | |
| 19:44 | alsroot: if they offer a stable platform, I could see deployments being interested. | |
| 19:45 | JT4sugar | walterbender, I will catch up with you then. Let's try to talk Fri am. If we are moving forward I would like to bring you into next call |
| 19:46 | alsroot | walterbender: well dunno, in my mind rhel is distro only for corporate needs |
| 19:46 | walterbender | alsroot: I agree... for the moment. |
| 19:46 | alsroot | cant correlate sugar with such niche |
| 19:47 | walterbender | alsroot: if you think about the entirety of a school-system-wide deployment, then rhel begins to make more sense. |
| 19:49 | alsroot | if rhel is being used for school-system-wide deployments, then yes, it will makes sense to have sugar on it |
| 19:50 | atphalix | and sugarlabs would offer with redhat "paid support"? |
| 19:50 | JT4sugar | Think rhel could make sense if trying to get Sugar to already installed desktops through virtualization. Our local Intermediate School District in Michigan serves 250,000 students 28 districts |
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| 20:00 | mchua | reads up |
| 20:01 | iirc, the argument for Sugar on RHEL was that school district IT admins tend to want to update their software every few years instead of every 6 months, just like every other IT dept out there. | |
| 20:01 | more than happy to poke around Red Hat if there's a direction we'd like this conversation to go i | |
| 20:01 | er, in | |
| 20:01 | The thing is, Sugar isn't going to sell more RHEL, at least right now | |
| 20:02 | *but* Sugar Labs is an example of an ISV that's gotten its own software packaged in Fedora/RHEL compatible forms, so it can use resources made for RHEL since that'd be the underlying OS | |
| 20:02 | all the documentation, the trained sysadmins, etc. usable for RHEL-based systems would be applicable to RHEL-based Sugar systems. | |
| 20:02 | pbrobinson | sugar is already in EPEL-6. Its then available to RHEL and CentOS 6 |
| 20:03 | or did I just come into the conversation half way through? | |
| 20:03 | mchua | pbrobinson: Yeah, I think we both did. |
| 20:03 | pbrobinson: I was actually wondering if sugar-in-EPEL would make a good story to tell at the Summit in May | |
| 20:03 | in terms of "it would be great if other ISVs could do the same, why don't they?" | |
| 20:03 | pbrobinson | yea, I think it would |
| 20:04 | mchua | the trouble is that Red Hat won't actually care about Sugar Labs per se. |
| 20:04 | if we were, like... Goldman Sachs, then... yeah, bam, instant speaking spot. | |
| 20:04 | But we're not. It's the process that's interesting, not the actual software (right now). | |
| 20:04 | At least from talking with Max about it. | |
| 20:04 | And I'm not sure Goldman Sachs will look at Sugar Labs and go "oh hey, they did that. What a great idea, let's do that too." | |
| 20:04 | pbrobinson | I personaly think that its better in EPEL as then its available to all those that want it and we have the ability to stear it. It would be usuable in RHEL, CentOS or even the Oracle variant |
| 20:04 | mchua | (they might look at... Bank of America, or Home Depot, or something, but... SL is small fish in that universe.) |
| 20:05 | (Sadly.) | |
| 20:05 | pbrobinson: better in EPEL than in... Fedora? | |
| 20:05 | pbrobinson | well in both. They're mutually exclusive |
| 20:06 | JT4sugar | pbrobinson, So are you saying that if someone presently had RHEL or CentOs running they could bring Sugar into it because it is in EPEL-6? |
| 20:06 | pbrobinson | yes |
| 20:06 | JT4sugar: yes. and it allows us to dictate the versions etc | |
| 20:07 | JT4sugar | pbrobinson, How much work would that be? |
| 20:07 | pbrobinson | JT4sugar: see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL for EPEL details |
| 20:08 | and most of the work has already been done by sdz and myself | |
| 20:09 | walterbender | JT4sugar: sdziallas demoed it at LinuxCon |
| 20:10 | JT4sugar | pbrobinson, Do you see a school district using RHEL and Sugar this way to get Sugar to all there installed desktops through virtualization? |
| 20:12 | Cerlyn | Personally I don't think it would be that hard to package for an *EL; but one may be expected to support earlier versions of Sugar for an extended amount of time with them since the parent OS gets such attention |
| 20:12 | pbrobinson | JT4sugar: virtualisation is probably not the most cost effective way but the delievery of sugar but remote X or some other ways are also effective |
| 20:13 | JT4sugar: but yes, RHEL or CentOS would be one stable way of delivering Sugar | |
| 20:14 | mchua | Cerlyn: That's a good point - Sugar development is so rapid right now that we'd have to support over 10 Sugar releases for every RHEL release. |
| 20:14 | Cerlyn | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/[…]r_version_updates - what EPEL wants is kind of discussed here |
| 20:15 | JT4sugar | walterbender, Does there happen to be video of SDZ demo at LinuxCon? |
| 20:15 | mchua | On the other hand, *that* might bean interesting business opportunity - long-term *EL Sugar support. I know others have explored this already (David, Caroline, etc.) |
| 20:15 | walterbender | JT4sugar: I think there is a video... don't know where though... |
| 20:16 | JT4sugar | walterbender, I'll ping SDZ to find |
| 20:17 | mchua | JT4sugar: I think the person to ping would be Jefro (on freenode, often in #teachingopensource) |
| 20:17 | he was the one who coordinated the vids, iirc | |
| 20:17 | JT4sugar: hang on, I'll see if he's around | |
| 20:17 | walterbender | mchua: the volatility of Sugar is exactly why we went the Fedora route in 2006... but the times, they are a changing... soon |
| 20:18 | mchua | walterbender: Yeah, I'm curious on how that's shaping up... I don't have my finger on the sugar-devel pulse very much these days |
| 20:19 | JT4sugar: Jefro is online, said that sdziallas asked him for the same vid, he's looking for it now | |
| 20:19 | walterbender | mchua: the big issue is a flag-day approaching because of GNOME 3.0. have to see how it all plays out |
| 20:19 | JT4sugar | mchua, Cool Thanks! |
| 20:20 | mchua | JT4sugar: It'll take a bit because video file uploads are huge. |
| 20:22 | JT4sugar | mchua, OK |
| 20:26 | pbrobinson | mchua walterbender: it would need to be a long term supported release like 0.84 has been with F11. Otherwise it would likely not work well |
| 20:26 | walterbender | pbrobinson: could be that 0.92 will be that release... |
| 20:27 | pbrobinson: but we'll see what happens over the next few months. | |
| 20:28 | pbrobinson | walterbender: exactly! I presume but can't comment on the RH desktop team of supporting gnome 3 on rhel 6 |
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