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#sugar-meeting, 2010-09-20

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15:09 satellit_ mchua: have DR appoinment today may not be at soas meeting. (1:pm PST)
15:11 mchua nods
15:12 satellit_ spins work but need to fix 6x keychain password popups (no keychain was ever set)
15:12 tomeu satellit_: is there a soas bug about it?
15:13 satellit_ http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2339
15:15 https://admin.fedoraproject.or[…]gar-0.89.9-1.fc14  fixed with tomeu this morning
15:16 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2335
15:16 tomeu soas bugs are tracked in sugarlabs.org, not fedora, right?
15:17 satellit_ tomeu: I do not know
15:17 did I file them wrong?
15:18 tomeu don't know, just asking
15:18 have commented in the keyring bug
15:19 satellit_ mchua did I file the 2 bugs in error?
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15:31 mchua tomeu, satellit_ Yes, soas bugs are tracked in sugar.
15:33 satellit_ mchua http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2335 needs to have this changed then....
15:33 not assigned ...
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16:01 satellit_ mchua: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2351  software update not working sugar 0.89.6
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17:13 satellit_ mchua: latest Nightly works http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]_process#CD_Boots  when do we set up testing or will this page work?
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19:01 Raffael Is anybody out there?
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19:03 atphalix is the meeting over or not started yet?
19:04 Raffael Guess not startded ... waiting already some time ...
19:10 Did someone canceled the meeting?
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19:20 JT4sugar walterbender, You around?
19:24 walterbender hi
19:31 JT4sugar walterbender, Hi
19:34 walterbender JT4sugar: so, what is up?
19:35 JT4sugar walterbender, I am talking to HP Business Notebook vertical solutions unit they have  interest in getting Sugar into products your thoughts and any advice would be helpful
19:37 walterbender JT4sugar: do you know if they already offer any GNU/Linux solutions on their notebooks? Ubuntu? Fedora?
19:37 JT4sugar walterbender, They have Opensuse/Suse Enterprise that have been tweaked to work with their products
19:38 walterbender OK. I am not sure how up to date the Opensuse Sugar is, but they do have a community we could work with.
19:38 You can also mention Fedora and Ubuntu as supported environments for Sugar.
19:40 JT4sugar walterbender, I am working off the prototype HP-Suse showed at computex  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib05z7QM8GU
19:40 walterbender looks
19:41 JT4sugar walterbender, From what I can see HP has relationship with Red Hat. From reading threads is plan for Sugar to be offered in Red Hat RHEL at some point?
19:41 walterbender about the time that video was made, Opensuse was still pretty current with Sugar
19:42 JT4sugar: there is an unsupported port of Sugar to RHEL6
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19:43 alsroot is wondering how sugar could be useful to rhel users :)
19:43 walterbender but we can play our long-standing relationship with RH or offer to work with whomever they'd like. But Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, and OpenSuse would all be relatively easy
19:43 alsroot: you have the sign bit wrong.
19:44 JT4sugar walterbender, My understanding is there will be some HP Linux folks on call tomorrow so all these possible avenues will be good conversations
19:44 walterbender alsroot: how can rhel be useful to Sugar users?
19:44 JT4sugar: I am back in Boston Thursday PM
19:44 alsroot: if they offer a stable platform, I could see deployments being interested.
19:45 JT4sugar walterbender, I will catch up with you then. Let's try to talk Fri am.  If we are moving forward I would like to bring you into next call
19:46 alsroot walterbender: well dunno, in my mind rhel is distro only for corporate needs
19:46 walterbender alsroot: I agree... for the moment.
19:46 alsroot cant correlate sugar with such niche
19:47 walterbender alsroot: if you think about the entirety of a school-system-wide deployment, then rhel begins to make more sense.
19:49 alsroot if rhel is being used for school-system-wide deployments, then yes, it will makes sense to have sugar on it
19:50 atphalix and sugarlabs would offer with redhat "paid support"?
19:50 JT4sugar Think rhel could make sense if trying to get  Sugar to already installed desktops through virtualization. Our local Intermediate School District in Michigan serves 250,000 students  28 districts
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20:00 mchua reads up
20:01 iirc, the argument for Sugar on RHEL was that school district IT admins tend to want to update their software every few years instead of every 6 months, just like every other IT dept out there.
20:01 more than happy to poke around Red Hat if there's a direction we'd like this conversation to go i
20:01 er, in
20:01 The thing is, Sugar isn't going to sell more RHEL, at least right now
20:02 *but* Sugar Labs is an example of an ISV that's gotten its own software packaged in Fedora/RHEL compatible forms, so it can use resources made for RHEL since that'd be the underlying OS
20:02 all the documentation, the trained sysadmins, etc. usable for RHEL-based systems would be applicable to RHEL-based Sugar systems.
20:02 pbrobinson sugar is already in EPEL-6. Its then available to RHEL and CentOS 6
20:03 or did I just come into the conversation half way through?
20:03 mchua pbrobinson: Yeah, I think we both did.
20:03 pbrobinson: I was actually wondering if sugar-in-EPEL would make a good story to tell at the Summit in May
20:03 in terms of "it would be great if other ISVs could do the same, why don't they?"
20:03 pbrobinson yea, I think it would
20:04 mchua the trouble is that Red Hat won't actually care about Sugar Labs per se.
20:04 if we were, like... Goldman Sachs, then... yeah, bam, instant speaking spot.
20:04 But we're not. It's the process that's interesting, not the actual software (right now).
20:04 At least from talking with Max about it.
20:04 And I'm not sure Goldman Sachs will look at Sugar Labs and go "oh hey, they did that. What a great idea, let's do that too."
20:04 pbrobinson I personaly think that its better in EPEL as then its available to all those that want it and we have the ability to stear it. It would be usuable in RHEL, CentOS or even the Oracle variant
20:04 mchua (they might look at... Bank of America, or Home Depot, or something, but... SL is small fish in that universe.)
20:05 (Sadly.)
20:05 pbrobinson: better in EPEL than in... Fedora?
20:05 pbrobinson well in both. They're mutually exclusive
20:06 JT4sugar pbrobinson, So are you saying that if someone presently had RHEL or CentOs running they could bring Sugar into it because it is in EPEL-6?
20:06 pbrobinson yes
20:06 JT4sugar: yes. and it allows us to dictate the versions etc
20:07 JT4sugar pbrobinson, How much work would that be?
20:07 pbrobinson JT4sugar: see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL for EPEL details
20:08 and most of the work has already been done by sdz and myself
20:09 walterbender JT4sugar: sdziallas demoed it at LinuxCon
20:10 JT4sugar pbrobinson, Do you see a school district using RHEL and Sugar this way to get Sugar to all there installed desktops through virtualization?
20:12 Cerlyn Personally I don't think it would be that hard to package for an *EL; but one may be expected to support earlier versions of Sugar for an extended amount of time with them since the parent OS gets such attention
20:12 pbrobinson JT4sugar: virtualisation is probably not the most cost effective way but the delievery of sugar but remote X or some other ways are also effective
20:13 JT4sugar: but yes, RHEL or CentOS would be one stable way of delivering Sugar
20:14 mchua Cerlyn: That's a good point - Sugar development is so rapid right now that we'd have to support over 10 Sugar releases for every RHEL release.
20:14 Cerlyn http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/[…]r_version_updates - what EPEL wants is kind of discussed here
20:15 JT4sugar walterbender, Does there happen to be video of SDZ demo at LinuxCon?
20:15 mchua On the other hand, *that* might bean interesting business opportunity - long-term *EL Sugar support. I know others have explored this already (David, Caroline, etc.)
20:15 walterbender JT4sugar: I think there is a video... don't know where though...
20:16 JT4sugar walterbender, I'll ping SDZ to find
20:17 mchua JT4sugar: I think the person to ping would be Jefro (on freenode, often in #teachingopensource)
20:17 he was the one who coordinated the vids, iirc
20:17 JT4sugar: hang on, I'll see if he's around
20:17 walterbender mchua: the volatility of Sugar is exactly why we went the Fedora route in 2006... but the times, they are a changing... soon
20:18 mchua walterbender: Yeah, I'm curious on how that's shaping up... I don't have my finger on the sugar-devel pulse very much these days
20:19 JT4sugar: Jefro is online, said that sdziallas asked him for the same vid, he's looking for it now
20:19 walterbender mchua: the big issue is a flag-day approaching because of GNOME 3.0. have to see how it all plays out
20:19 JT4sugar mchua, Cool Thanks!
20:20 mchua JT4sugar: It'll take a bit because video file uploads are huge.
20:22 JT4sugar mchua, OK
20:26 pbrobinson mchua walterbender: it would need to be a long term supported release like 0.84 has been with F11. Otherwise it would likely not work well
20:26 walterbender pbrobinson: could be that 0.92 will be that release...
20:27 pbrobinson: but we'll see what happens over the next few months.
20:28 pbrobinson walterbender: exactly! I presume but can't comment on the RH desktop team of supporting gnome 3 on rhel 6
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22:14 satellit_ sdziallas
22:16 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2339   soas boots fine look at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]_process#CD_Boots (keyring problem)
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