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| 10:18 | satellit_ | tomeu: any idea what nm entered maintenance mode means and how to start it again? |
| 10:19 | saw it on shutdown on sugar usb | |
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| 13:09 | satellit_ | walterbender: I took the liberty to add backup and restore activities to your page...http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]ackup_and_Restore |
| 13:26 | walterbender | satellit_: what do you think of the page in my sandbox? I am trying to make things more streamlined |
| 13:30 | satellit_ | It looks nice. in Gnu/linux I like to add --reset-mbr for script as many USB's will not work without it like ./livecd-iso-to-disk --format --reset-mbr --overlay-size-mb 1200 /home/r(user)/Desktop/soas-2-blueberry.iso /dev/sd(x) |
| 13:32 | walterbender | satellit_: I notice you added --format as well |
| 13:35 | satellit_ | also Mac seems to be very popular on virtualbox (not OSE) which is free but not GPL prebuilt appliances can be imported into it in one step : http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tg[…]eREADME_FIRST.txt |
| 13:36 | dfarning started this with early USR: http://people.sugarlabs.org/dfarning/ 3 files required for import | |
| 13:39 | walterbender: I have also been working on making a directory of sugar on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]_OF_Soas_Features It is another way to navigate wiki... | |
| 13:45 | walterbender | I'll put the VB instructions in for the MAC as a default |
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| 13:46 | satellit_ | : ) |
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| 13:56 | walterbender | satellit_: check out the OSX instructions (too terse??) http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]t_Sugar#Apple_OSX |
| 14:02 | hey marketers... | |
| 14:02 | should we meet? | |
| 14:02 | mchua: are you available for a few minutes now? | |
| 14:03 | anyone seen sdziallas_afk? | |
| 14:06 | satellit_ | walterbender: looks nice. I hope that we will start to distribute those VB 3 files eventually on http://download.sugarlabs.org/ |
| 14:06 | walterbender | satellit_: why not now? |
| 14:08 | satellit_ | I do not know how or have access to move them. I can try to supply virtual box builds on a semi-regular basis though if wanted |
| 14:08 | Mac users should be able to make their own also with VB | |
| 14:09 | just need .iso file | |
| 14:10 | walterbender | satellit_: the infrastructure team -- AKA bernie -- can advise. |
| 14:11 | satellit_ | ok |
| 14:16 | walterbender | satellit_: do you know where sdziallas_afk's guide to installing SoaS lives? |
| 14:16 | can never find SoaS documentation as it is all so disperse | |
| 14:17 | satellit_: I was looking at it earlier today but cannot retrace my path | |
| 14:18 | mchua | walterbender: I'm around for a few minutes now, but have to leave for the office in ~15. |
| 14:18 | walterbender | satellit_: meanwhile, since there doesn't seem to be a marketing meeting, I'll continue the discussion of the revamped Get Sugar landing page on the mailing list |
| 14:18 | mchua | walterbender: sdziallas_afk has been pretty hosed with the start of the school year, Olin is intense |
| 14:18 | walterbender | mchua: will you be available at 11 for the SLOBS meeting? |
| 14:18 | mchua | walterbender: Yes, I'll be around for that. |
| 14:18 | walterbender | mchua: I understand completely |
| 14:18 | mchua: great!! | |
| 14:18 | satellit_ | http://download.sugarlabs.org/[…]cs/creation-kit/? |
| 14:18 | mchua | walterbender: Did you want to talk about some things now before I have to jet? |
| 14:19 | walterbender | mchua: I am just looking for feedback on a tweak to the Get Sugar landing page.... |
| 14:19 | mchua | (I can't run over on the SLOBs meeting because I'm teaching a class at noon) |
| 14:19 | nods | |
| 14:19 | walterbender: shoot me a link and I'll take a look now. | |
| 14:19 | walterbender | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]:Walter/Get_Sugar |
| 14:20 | mchua | looks |
| 14:20 | walterbender | mchua: I'd like to link to sdz's guide, but I cannot find it :( |
| 14:20 | mchua | walterbender: wow. at first glance, this looks spectacular... looking more closely now |
| 14:21 | satellit_ | walterbender: http://download.sugarlabs.org/[…]ocs/creation-kit/ |
| 14:21 | mchua | (but I like the organization) |
| 14:21 | satellit_ | walterbender: he has 2 docs there |
| 14:21 | mchua | (for patching the docs, there's http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]Documentation_SOP in case you want to make modifications to the guides themselves) |
| 14:22 | (I have commit access so I can also do them + rebuild them in publican) | |
| 14:22 | walterbender | satellit_: perfect. thanks. |
| 14:22 | mchua | satellit_, walterbender: yep, 2 docs - one for burning the stick, one for customizing a remix (you'll probably only want the first one here though, I'm guessing?) |
| 14:22 | walterbender | mchua: maybe both... the latter I can link to from "Advanced users" |
| 14:23 | mchua | walterbender: Ok, the latter is at http://mirrors.rit.edu/sugarla[…]-guide/index.html |
| 14:23 | er | |
| 14:23 | http://download.sugarlabs.org/[…]stomization-guide | |
| 14:23 | automatically gets redirected to rit's mirror for some reason | |
| 14:23 | satellit_ | walterbender: also http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]ld_Your_Own_Remix |
| 14:24 | walterbender | choice paralyzes... |
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| 14:24 | satellit_ | supposed to get added to sdz guide sometime |
| 14:24 | mchua | satellit_: what needs to get added? I've also got commit access. |
| 14:24 | satellit_: there are instructions at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]Documentation_SOP for how to add to and suggest patches for the guide | |
| 14:25 | also trying to be a little more pingable here now that she's a bit more settled in Raleigh | |
| 14:25 | satellit_ | I need to talk to sdz about what to add... |
| 14:25 | mchua | satellit_: He's been really busy starting college lately, but I helped get the docs up so I might be able to answer questions too. |
| 14:26 | satellit_ | ok. have a Dr appointment so cannot do it now have to leave in 10min |
| 14:26 | have to go now i am told ..... | |
| 14:29 | mchua | waves |
| 14:29 | walterbender: I have to run to the office for a meeting now but I'll be back for SLOBs | |
| 14:30 | walterbender | mchua: CU |
| 14:30 | mchua | walterbender: wrt the getting-started draft, I've looked at it again and really like it... I think I'd try to get some new users (non-developers, teachers or parents or something) to walk through the instructions while you watch them |
| 14:31 | and see whether/where they get stuck | |
| 14:31 | s/you/somebody-active-in-SL | |
| 14:31 | walterbender | mchua: +1 |
| 14:31 | mchua | walterbender: when you think it's ready for that kind of testing, I can shoot a "hey folks, want to help? grab a friend who's never seen Sugar before and try this out" blog/list post |
| 14:31 | walterbender | mchua: I was a bit shocked when I did the FLOSS Weekly interview that advanced users got lost in out current set of instructions :( |
| 14:31 | mchua | walterbender: Wow, yeah. |
| 14:32 | walterbender | mchua: whenever you can, as it is an interative design process |
| 14:33 | mchua | walterbender: Okay, I'll see if I can do that after meetings today. |
| 14:34 | walterbender: It's an *awesome* revision. Huge +1. | |
| 14:34 | --> meetings | |
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| 15:01 | walterbender | could SLOBS members please nod so we know when we have a quorum? |
| 15:02 | waves | |
| 15:02 | mchua | is here |
| 15:05 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: ? |
| 15:05 | bernie_afk: ? | |
| 15:05 | tomeu: ? | |
| 15:05 | cjb? | |
| 15:06 | while we are waiting... | |
| 15:06 | does this look like something we should look into? | |
| 15:06 | http://startl.org/programs-2/d[…]eams-a-must-read/ | |
| 15:07 | I've been asked to submit an application | |
| 15:09 | mchua | reading |
| 15:09 | walterbender: It sounds like Y Combinator with UI design. | |
| 15:10 | satellit_ | listening back fro Dr. |
| 15:10 | CanoeBerry | Hi! |
| 15:10 | Am here at last. | |
| 15:11 | walterbender | adam: are you at 1CC? |
| 15:11 | cjb around? | |
| 15:12 | mchua: I was thinking actually that they may be able to help us with some physical packaging of a "school kit" that includes SoaS and a server | |
| 15:13 | CanoeBerry | walterbender: unfort am not at 1CC |
| 15:13 | cjb's been online this morning however! | |
| 15:14 | cjb | here now |
| 15:15 | CanoeBerry | bernie appears offline.. |
| 15:16 | walterbender | ok. we have a quorum |
| 15:16 | #start-meeting | |
| 15:16 | err | |
| 15:16 | #startmeeting | |
| 15:16 | sugaroid | Meeting started Tue Sep 14 15:16:44 2010 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:16 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 15:16 | meeting | Meeting started at 11:17 UTC. The chair is walterbender. |
| 15:16 | Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK | |
| 15:16 | walterbender | hello all... |
| 15:17 | welcome all | |
| 15:17 | Here's what I have on my list: | |
| 15:17 | 1. the upcoming election | |
| 15:17 | 2. the upcoming release -- just a quick status | |
| 15:17 | mchua | has a hard stop at noon |
| 15:17 | walterbender | 3. local labs -- just a quick update |
| 15:18 | 4. licensing request | |
| 15:18 | Any other topics? | |
| 15:18 | #topic election status | |
| 15:19 | lfaroane is taking care of updating the member list | |
| 15:19 | I have been soliciting candidates... so far, just one, SMParrish | |
| 15:19 | cjb | walterbender: hm, perhaps open the candidates up to a wiki page rather than mail? |
| 15:19 | walterbender | maybe we can all agree to shake the bushes to get a few more? we have three positions to fill. |
| 15:20 | cjb | dunno if it'll make a difference, but it's what we've done before |
| 15:20 | CanoeBerry | cjb: agreed |
| 15:20 | walterbender | cjb: I"l add it to the wiki. |
| 15:20 | hey, those of you whose terms are expiring, will you run again? (please?) | |
| 15:20 | cjb | hm, haven't finished deciding yet |
| 15:21 | (everyone whose term *isn't* up is continuing on, right?) | |
| 15:21 | CanoeBerry | i assume that me, cjb and Sean Daly? or something like that? |
| 15:21 | walterbender | cjb: a few more weeks until we need to finalize the ballot |
| 15:21 | cjb | CanoeBerry: we're the three with terms expiring, yes |
| 15:21 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: yes, I think you, sean and chris |
| 15:22 | mchua | Maybe it would help to articulate responsibilities/time commitment expected of board members, now that we have a slightly better idea of what that is? |
| 15:22 | Easier to visualize yourself in a job description that's partially fleshed in. | |
| 15:22 | CanoeBerry | did someone check that? i thought only 3 people had 2 year terms, but my memory could be going :) |
| 15:22 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: yes. next year, 4 positions turn over |
| 15:22 | cjb | CanoeBerry: yes, I checked it |
| 15:22 | CanoeBerry | thx all! |
| 15:23 | walterbender | mchua: in your copious free time, could you write a paragragh? |
| 15:23 | ^graph | |
| 15:23 | mchua: I'll add a stub to the wiki home page | |
| 15:23 | mchua | walterbender: #action me :D |
| 15:24 | walterbender: Okeydokey, I'll tackle this after meetings today. | |
| 15:24 | walterbender | #action Walter and Mel will add a solicitation/description of the SLOB membership |
| 15:25 | anything else we need to worry about re the election? | |
| 15:25 | would love more representation from deployments | |
| 15:25 | mchua | Voting setup? I don't recall if that's been discussed, but just making sure someone's on it. |
| 15:25 | (infrastructure-wise, I mean) | |
| 15:25 | walterbender: Hrm, have the calls-for-candidates been translated into Spanish, etc? | |
| 15:26 | walterbender | mchua: I think Bernie put the word out... will check |
| 15:26 | mchua: I'll double check that Luke will handle the vote as well. | |
| 15:27 | OK... moving on | |
| 15:27 | #topic 0.90 | |
| 15:28 | erikos has done a great job pulling the release together on a tighter than usual schedule | |
| 15:28 | we hit code freeze yesterday and release notes are starting to come together: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.90/Ntes | |
| 15:28 | ^Notes | |
| 15:28 | CanoeBerry | aside: kudos to those who ran the elections last year, thanks Luke & all for helping us all here. |
| 15:29 | walterbender | are there any questions/concerns re 0.90? |
| 15:30 | I'd also like to ack cjb re the new OLPC release as well as the Dextrose team. | |
| 15:30 | mchua | Not from me, I heard from pbrobinson the other day that 0.90 is all set to ship in the next release of Fedora (very beginning of November) |
| 15:30 | walterbender | great stiff |
| 15:30 | ^stuff | |
| 15:30 | cannot type today | |
| 15:31 | cjb | walterbender: Looks good to me! I think we'll be backporting most of these to our stable release, which is a good sign that it's useful/needed work. |
| 15:31 | walterbender | I don't know if everyone is following the discussion about the potential flag day for the new GNOME and Python versions |
| 15:31 | cjb | I like the "recent additions" for activities, would love to see that more often |
| 15:32 | walterbender | cjb: I did that for 0.88 too... |
| 15:32 | cjb: the 0.90 notes are far from complete... | |
| 15:33 | cjb | *nod* |
| 15:34 | walterbender | It is worth noting the extent to which Sugar has been working downstream... more fluid IMHO |
| 15:34 | mchua | +1, I've been noticing a lot more upstream/downstream bridging from SL this release cycle |
| 15:35 | which is a HUGE awesome plus - maybe slows development down a bit in the short term, but does amazing things for us long-term to have folks be more in sync. | |
| 15:35 | walterbender | tip of the hat to our partners... |
| 15:36 | It suggests a different role for Sugar Labs over time... more focused. | |
| 15:36 | and more opportunities for partners/collaborators | |
| 15:37 | which brings me to the next topic... | |
| 15:37 | CanoeBerry | Prior Topic: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/O[…]9-2010-candidates :) |
| 15:37 | walterbender | #topic local labs |
| 15:38 | I think Ceibal Jam will be formally applying for Local Lab status. | |
| 15:38 | just a heads up... | |
| 15:39 | I think the role of a local lab is coming more into focus as the deployments mature... | |
| 15:40 | also, there is a renewed effort at OLPC to put together a more detailed deployment guide. | |
| 15:40 | our growing strength as a community is in the leaves... | |
| 15:41 | now for a discussion... | |
| 15:41 | #topic looming license request | |
| 15:42 | I've had some second-hand conversations with a tablet manufacturer who is interested in Sugar | |
| 15:42 | and being able to use the Sugar brand | |
| 15:43 | It is somewhat complicated by the fact that they are an Android shop, so it may be more branding than code... | |
| 15:43 | cjb | that is complicated :) |
| 15:43 | walterbender | in any case, I need some guidance in terms of how to proceed... |
| 15:43 | cjb | are they going to ship the Sugar code, or not? |
| 15:44 | walterbender | (1) would we consider letting people brand Sugar activities ported to Android as being Sugar acitvities? |
| 15:44 | cjb | I think it would be a bad marketing move to allow companies to display the Sugar brand on devices that aren't actually running Sugar; that makes the brand a bit meaningless. The Marketing team's a better place to ask that question, though. |
| 15:44 | walterbender | cjb: I agree, but want to clarify what it means to be running Sugar |
| 15:44 | cjb | if Android was going to have journal and collaboration support, it would be difficult |
| 15:45 | walterbender | cjb: for example, if they implement a journal, sharing (in a way that is cross compatible, and the Sugar "look" is that running Sugar? |
| 15:45 | cjb | walterbender: and view source? :) |
| 15:45 | walterbender | (and of course, view source) |
| 15:46 | mchua | needs to ghost and get ready to teach a class |
| 15:46 | ping my nick if you need a vote | |
| 15:46 | cjb | I guess it's hard for me to answer the thought experiment because I can't imagine that this could actually be possible on Android. |
| 15:46 | mchua | but I'll be reading less actively for the remainder of the hour. |
| 15:46 | walterbender | mchua: I don't think we'll be voting on anything today... thankt |
| 15:46 | cjb: I want to explore how far they can/would go. | |
| 15:47 | cjb | 'k |
| 15:47 | walterbender | cjb: at some level, I think the Sugar ideas getting into more places is more important... but at some point, it probably is not Sugar |
| 15:47 | right now, it is a pretty binary decision | |
| 15:48 | and maybe it needs to stay that way | |
| 15:48 | cjb | yeah, I think marketing folks would approve of binary |
| 15:48 | at least Sean would, he's always very worried about brand dilution/confusion | |
| 15:48 | walterbender | the other place I need guidance is on a licensing fee model... right now the model is also binary |
| 15:49 | Pure Sugar and no fee | |
| 15:49 | or it is not Sugar and no fee | |
| 15:49 | cjb | mm, yeah. again, it's marketing strategy, which the rest of us have no particular competence at. |
| 15:50 | walterbender | it is also a business decision |
| 15:50 | cjb | if the marketing team said it's most important that we (a) have more money, and (b) have the word Sugar appear in as many places as possible with our logo, regardless of what it means, then my answer would be totally different |
| 15:50 | (but I haven't been hearing anything like that so far) | |
| 15:50 | walterbender | cjb: I haven't heard them say that either |
| 15:52 | and I suppose that what happens with individual Sugar Activities is strictly up to the activity developers... | |
| 15:52 | cjb | 'k. yeah, it's complicated. it does seem like "no sugar, no license" is a basic requirement of maintaining the brand, so that makes the binary decision sound sensible. |
| 15:53 | walterbender | e.g., porting a collection of Sugar Activities en mass to Java/Android |
| 15:54 | cjb | I don't think there's any decision there |
| 15:54 | it's free software; someone could just do it | |
| 15:54 | they'd just have to be a bit careful about what they can call the result | |
| 15:54 | most activity names are not trademarked, so they could usually keep the same name | |
| 15:55 | walterbender | exactly... and from the discussion today, it would not be called Sugar |
| 15:55 | cjb | right |
| 15:56 | walterbender | but I do want to explore the extent to which we could ack a Sugar-like environment on a different platform... |
| 15:56 | there is real interest out there | |
| 15:56 | cjb | we could define an API |
| 15:56 | walterbender | and it could be a way to get into the hands of more kids... |
| 15:56 | cjb | journal, collaboration, view source.. maybe even require dbus, although that would rule out Android I think |
| 15:57 | and say that if you've implemented everything in the core API, you can apply for a TM license for the result | |
| 15:57 | walterbender | some of the look and feel is perhaps more in the gray... |
| 15:57 | for example, could someone re-implement the Frame? | |
| 15:57 | cjb | sure |
| 15:57 | walterbender | to be more suitable for touch? |
| 15:57 | cjb | we didn't patent it |
| 15:58 | copyright law lets them reimplement it independently | |
| 15:58 | walterbender | I mean, would that mean they couldn't call it Sugar any more? |
| 15:58 | cjb | oh, ok |
| 15:58 | yes, under the current TM policy AIUI | |
| 15:58 | walterbender | I mean replce the Frame with something else... |
| 15:59 | cjb | the current trademark policy only allows for minor packaging/distro/bugfix changes and translations, before you stop having an automatic license |
| 15:59 | so they would have to apply for a trademark if they changed the UI | |
| 15:59 | walterbender | automatic, yes... |
| 15:59 | cjb | and then we'd work out whether to grant it by looking at their work |
| 15:59 | and the earlier stuff would apply, I suppose -- if it's not generally compatible with other Sugar activities, it seems tough to call it Sugar, because that's confusing what Sugar is and what it isn't | |
| 15:59 | walterbender | I guess it is always going to be case by case... but I would like to be able to give them guidance |
| 16:01 | I'll do some more homework. | |
| 16:01 | cjb | yep. so, I think the core API idea I just proposed is the most objective measure we're going to come up with easily. |
| 16:02 | walterbender | cjb: agreed |
| 16:02 | cjb | we should also consider whether it's a requirement that the new platform be able to run unmodified Sugar-python activities |
| 16:02 | because if it can't, that leads to great confusion about whether a particular machine "has Sugar or not" that doesn't help anyone | |
| 16:02 | walterbender | cjb: that is going to be hard on Android... |
| 16:02 | cjb | until it gets better python support, yeah |
| 16:03 | (you can already write scripts in Python on Android, but not fully-fledged apps) | |
| 16:03 | walterbender | but if they had equivalents of Fructose... |
| 16:03 | in Java | |
| 16:04 | and if the journal entries transferred | |
| 16:04 | seems like a reasonable compromise... | |
| 16:04 | we implemented Sugar in Python, but the core ideas are not Python | |
| 16:04 | and the look and feel is not Python | |
| 16:04 | cjb | yep, it's an reasonable thing to discuss. |
| 16:05 | obviously their e.g. Pippy journal entries won't transfer | |
| 16:05 | walterbender | :) |
| 16:05 | cjb: did you see Tony Forster's Pippy slide rule? | |
| 16:05 | cjb | ooh, no, didn't see a Pippy one |
| 16:06 | walterbender | cjb: every time I write a new activity, he writes Turtle Art and Pippy versions :) |
| 16:06 | cjb | hehe |
| 16:07 | walterbender | I do like the design-your-own slide feature in the new version of Slide Rule... inspired by Sugar |
| 16:08 | we digress... anything else for today? | |
| 16:09 | CanoeBerry | Just a reminder that we have ~50 RSVP's for SF! |
| 16:09 | Folks should definitely try to join up: | |
| 16:09 | walterbender | #action walter will report back on the potential Android port |
| 16:09 | CanoeBerry: I keep plugging it in the DIgest :) | |
| 16:09 | CanoeBerry | http://olpcSF.org/CommunitySummit2010 |
| 16:09 | Thanks Walter. | |
| 16:09 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: alas, I am in .py |
| 16:10 | CanoeBerry | I want several session to have strong remote participation. |
| 16:10 | Will have to finalize this will Sameer & all. | |
| 16:11 | walterbender | ok... ending meeting in 3 |
| 16:11 | 2 | |
| 16:11 | CanoeBerry | In any case, wiki details are emerging today, a much stronger web site should appear (above link) within the week of so. |
| 16:11 | walterbender | 1 |
| 16:11 | #end-meeting | |
| 16:11 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:11 | sugaroid | Meeting ended Tue Sep 14 16:11:38 2010 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:11 | Minutes: http://jita.sugarlabs.org/suga[…]-14T15:16:44.html | |
| 16:11 | Log: http://jita.sugarlabs.org/suga[…]10-09-14T15:16:44 | |
| 16:11 | meeting | Meeting finished at 12:12. |
| 16:11 | Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/sugar-meetin[…]0100914_1117.html | |
| 16:11 | walterbender | thanks everyone... |
| 16:13 | satellit_ | walterbender: seen maple-syrup (sugar in netbook version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS [SOAS} lists FYI: maple_syrup-O121_v02_v03 works on my netbook after some changes. 09/12/2010 08:01 AM |
| 16:14 | walterbender | satellit_: haven't tried it yet... |
| 16:14 | satellit_: should it be listed on the Get Sugar page? | |
| 16:14 | satellit_ | works nicely after modification I mention in post to soas list |
| 16:15 | I can I think it is being done for one for one for caroline at RIT | |
| 16:16 | may be a little early to list on get sugar. but something to watch plus USR is progressing nicely | |
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| 17:23 | tomeu | sorry, had to be out from home because of an urgency |
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| 18:11 | satellit_ | walterbender: would this http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]ation_Kit_DVD.png work better on your page? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]t_Internet_access.3F |
| 18:12 | I do not knoe how to replace the gear image | |
| 18:12 | s/know | |
| 18:19 | screenshot of http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tg[…]2up_Mirabelle.pdf | |
| 18:23 | walterbender | satellit_: that image is too big... |
| 18:23 | satellit_: the gear is the "view source" icon in Sugar | |
| 18:24 | satellit_ | ok will try to reduce it What size is needed? |
| 18:25 | walterbender | satellit_: well, no more than about 150x150 pixels. |
| 18:25 | satellit_: BTW, did you see Steven Thomas's email re repeated file extensions? | |
| 18:26 | satellit_ | no what was it about? |
| 18:26 | walterbender | is that an OSX bug (added a file extension when one already exists? or is it a problem with the files themselves? |
| 18:26 | email sent to iaep et al. | |
| 18:27 | satellit_ | i do not have a mac with intel chip so cannot test |
| 18:27 | works fine on windoz and fedora | |
| 18:28 | walterbender | I think it is an OSX problem... |
| 18:29 | satellit_ | I know others have used file sucessfully on Mac.. |
| 18:29 | I would have to look back to find who but I guess caroline would know | |
| 18:31 | walterbender: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]n_Kit_DVD-150.png | |
| 18:32 | walterbender | tries it... |
| 18:34 | satellit_: I think it would be nicer if it had the silhouette of a CD... | |
| 18:35 | satellit_ | ok I do not have one here |
| 18:41 | walterbender | satellit_: I just made one... posting in a moment |
| 18:43 | satellit_: check it out... I think it looks great. | |
| 18:43 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]:Walter/Get_Sugar | |
| 18:46 | satellit_ | +1 YES looks great |
| 18:48 | the deployments off internet "sneaker Net" should be mentioned | |
| 18:48 | copy to Hd and pass it on | |
| 18:49 | viral | |
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| 18:50 | satellit_ | Yes I like using disk 2 x |
| 18:59 | walterbender: question are ms window and apple images free for us to use? | |
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| 19:24 | walterbender | satellit_: I think this is fair use... |
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| 19:30 | satellit_ | ok |
| 19:30 | looks great.... | |
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| 21:39 | satellit_ | walterbender: Also:[http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]or_Mac_OS_X_Users] added link to your page, it has some good material. |
| 21:45 | tabs: do you run sugar on a Mac (intel) what are commonly used methods USB boot/Virtualization (type) etc. Walter is writing a new start page for sugar. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]:Walter/Get_Sugar and needs info on OS-X uses of sugar... | |
| 21:45 | walterbender | satellit_: have you tried any of this on a MAC? Do you still need a helper CD? |
| 21:46 | Is the python script intimidating to the average MAC user? | |
| 21:46 | satellit_ | walterbender: I do not have an intel Mac just a G4 Powerbook...: / cannot test. |
| 21:47 | caroline may know you should ask her. | |
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| 22:12 | tabs | sattelit_: yes I run Sugar on my Macbook Pro |
| 22:14 | I use Virtual box | |
| 22:14 | satellit_ | tabs: could you summarize your setup on walter's page...I do not have an intel mac so I cannot test methods....http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]:Walter/Get_Sugar thanks |
| 22:14 | tabs: any problems setting it up? | |
| 22:15 | tabs | okay, will get Tom to help me write up how he does it tonight |
| 22:15 | think there were lots of issues actually | |
| 22:15 | satellit_ | thanks |
| 22:15 | tabs | we have friends with Macs - one downloaded wrong iso first of all as it is confusing what you need |
| 22:15 | satellit_ | I think it is important to get it correct on the wiwi...: ) |
| 22:15 | tabs | she made a non persistent Sugar in virtualbox, kept losing all her stuff, like live CD |
| 22:16 | I still dont have camera working in virtual box Sugar on mine either, but did get Mic working | |
| 22:16 | satellit_ | I use zyx-livinstaller or livinst to install to vb hd. |
| 22:16 | s/liveinstaller | |
| 22:17 | then it is persistent | |
| 22:19 | anyone using PPC Mac's with sugar and Virtual box? | |
| 22:19 | a lot of schools have them here... | |
| 22:21 | also your notes could go to lists and http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/VirtualBox | |
| 22:22 | dave bauer at solution grove is a virtual box expert.....(daveb) though he is not on #sugar as much as he was..... | |
| 22:23 | tabs: thanks for your help. | |
| 22:26 | tabs | satellit_: sorry I am distracted at work (it is 10.26am here) |
| 22:27 | satellit_ | 3:26 pm in Oregon....sorry to hit you in working hrs. |
| 22:28 | tabs | all good, reality of international projects |
| 22:28 | I keep IRC open so I can see what is going on but only jump in for short bits of participation and make note of things to do when I get home | |
| 22:29 | quoting Tom reply to you - "tell him that mac is not supported without monumental geekery" | |
| 22:29 | "the linked virtualbox appliance is a dissappointment" | |
| 22:36 | Tom says "well, tell him that the virtualbox client thingy isn't included and is extrodinarilly difficult to install, and the mouse just doesn't work right without it and it has a root password, and it doesn't ask you for a sugar name and colour | |
| 22:39 | satellit_ | Hmm Install on f12 and f13 here on Sun Virtual box HD was quite easy. though I did not try installing the "tools" then exported it see http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tg[…]eREADME_FIRST.txt |
| 22:48 | tabs | Tom wrote up about our experience with virtual box Saturday 4 sept - This virtualbox was created with the appliance from |
| 22:48 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]SoaS_Mirabelleand | |
| 22:48 | a bunch of painful steps. I couldn't work out how to become root, so I | |
| 22:48 | broke in with system rescue cd. I adjusted gdm to auto login and I had great | |
| 22:48 | trouble installing the virtualbox guest additions, it turns out you need to | |
| 22:48 | install the updated kernel, as yum will happily install it's headers without | |
| 22:48 | installing the kernel itself (wtf??). The virtualbox guest build script | |
| 22:48 | doesn't tell you why it fails, so it took a bit of sluething to see the | |
| 22:48 | version msismatch and realise I had to upgrade the new kernel. I didn't do | |
| 22:48 | the full yum upgrade because I was borrowing someone's internet and the | |
| 22:48 | upgrade was large. | |
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