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#sugar-meeting, 2010-09-14

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10:18 satellit_ tomeu: any idea what nm entered maintenance mode means and how to start it again?
10:19 saw it on shutdown on sugar usb
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13:09 satellit_ walterbender: I took the liberty to add backup and restore activities to your page...http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]ackup_and_Restore
13:26 walterbender satellit_: what do you think of the page in my sandbox? I am trying to make things more streamlined
13:30 satellit_ It looks nice. in Gnu/linux I like to add --reset-mbr for script as many USB's will not work without it  like     ./livecd-iso-to-disk  --format --reset-mbr --overlay-size-mb 1200 /home/r(user)/Desktop/soas-2-blueberry.iso /dev/sd(x)
13:32 walterbender satellit_: I notice you added --format as well
13:35 satellit_ also Mac seems to be very popular on virtualbox  (not OSE) which is free but not GPL  prebuilt appliances can be imported into it in one step : http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tg[…]eREADME_FIRST.txt
13:36 dfarning started this with early USR: http://people.sugarlabs.org/dfarning/  3 files required for import
13:39 walterbender: I have also been working on making a directory of sugar on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]_OF_Soas_Features  It is another way to navigate wiki...
13:45 walterbender I'll put the VB instructions in for the MAC as a default
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13:46 satellit_ : )
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13:56 walterbender satellit_: check out the OSX instructions (too terse??) http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]t_Sugar#Apple_OSX
14:02 hey marketers...
14:02 should we meet?
14:02 mchua: are you available for a few minutes now?
14:03 anyone seen sdziallas_afk?
14:06 satellit_ walterbender: looks nice. I hope that we will start to distribute those VB 3 files eventually on http://download.sugarlabs.org/
14:06 walterbender satellit_: why not now?
14:08 satellit_ I do not know how or have access to move them. I can try to supply virtual box builds on a semi-regular basis though if wanted
14:08 Mac users should be able to make their own also with VB
14:09 just need .iso file
14:10 walterbender satellit_: the infrastructure team -- AKA bernie -- can advise.
14:11 satellit_ ok
14:16 walterbender satellit_: do you know where sdziallas_afk's guide to installing SoaS lives?
14:16 can never find SoaS documentation as it is all so disperse
14:17 satellit_: I was looking at it earlier today but cannot retrace my path
14:18 mchua walterbender: I'm around for a few minutes now, but have to leave for the office in ~15.
14:18 walterbender satellit_: meanwhile, since there doesn't seem to be a marketing meeting, I'll continue the discussion of the revamped Get Sugar landing page on the mailing list
14:18 mchua walterbender: sdziallas_afk has been pretty hosed with the start of the school year, Olin is intense
14:18 walterbender mchua: will you be available at 11 for the SLOBS meeting?
14:18 mchua walterbender: Yes, I'll be around for that.
14:18 walterbender mchua: I understand completely
14:18 mchua: great!!
14:18 satellit_ http://download.sugarlabs.org/[…]cs/creation-kit/?
14:18 mchua walterbender: Did you want to talk about some things now before I have to jet?
14:19 walterbender mchua: I am just looking for feedback on a tweak to the Get Sugar landing page....
14:19 mchua (I can't run over on the SLOBs meeting because I'm teaching a class at noon)
14:19 nods
14:19 walterbender: shoot me a link and I'll take a look now.
14:19 walterbender http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]:Walter/Get_Sugar
14:20 mchua looks
14:20 walterbender mchua: I'd like to link to sdz's guide, but I cannot find it :(
14:20 mchua walterbender: wow. at first glance, this looks spectacular... looking more closely now
14:21 satellit_ walterbender: http://download.sugarlabs.org/[…]ocs/creation-kit/
14:21 mchua (but I like the organization)
14:21 satellit_ walterbender: he has 2 docs there
14:21 mchua (for patching the docs, there's http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]Documentation_SOP in case you want to make modifications to the guides themselves)
14:22 (I have commit access so I can also do them + rebuild them in publican)
14:22 walterbender satellit_: perfect. thanks.
14:22 mchua satellit_, walterbender: yep, 2 docs - one for burning the stick, one for customizing a remix (you'll probably only want the first one here though, I'm guessing?)
14:22 walterbender mchua: maybe both... the latter I can link to from "Advanced users"
14:23 mchua walterbender: Ok, the latter is at http://mirrors.rit.edu/sugarla[…]-guide/index.html
14:23 er
14:23 http://download.sugarlabs.org/[…]stomization-guide
14:23 automatically gets redirected to rit's mirror for some reason
14:23 satellit_ walterbender: also http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]ld_Your_Own_Remix
14:24 walterbender choice paralyzes...
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14:24 satellit_ supposed to get added to sdz guide sometime
14:24 mchua satellit_: what needs to get added? I've also got commit access.
14:24 satellit_: there are instructions at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]Documentation_SOP for how to add to and suggest patches for the guide
14:25 also trying to be a little more pingable here now that she's a bit more settled in Raleigh
14:25 satellit_ I need to talk to sdz about what to add...
14:25 mchua satellit_: He's been really busy starting college lately, but I helped get the docs up so I might be able to answer questions too.
14:26 satellit_ ok. have a Dr appointment so cannot do it now  have to leave in 10min
14:26 have to go now i am told .....
14:29 mchua waves
14:29 walterbender: I have to run to the office for a meeting now but I'll be back for SLOBs
14:30 walterbender mchua: CU
14:30 mchua walterbender: wrt the getting-started draft, I've looked at it again and really like it... I think I'd try to get some new users (non-developers, teachers or parents or something) to walk through the instructions while you watch them
14:31 and see whether/where they get stuck
14:31 s/you/somebody-active-in-SL
14:31 walterbender mchua: +1
14:31 mchua walterbender: when you think it's ready for that kind of testing, I can shoot a "hey folks, want to help? grab a friend who's never seen Sugar before and try this out" blog/list post
14:31 walterbender mchua: I was a bit shocked when I did the FLOSS Weekly interview that advanced users got lost in out current set of instructions :(
14:31 mchua walterbender: Wow, yeah.
14:32 walterbender mchua: whenever you can, as it is an interative design process
14:33 mchua walterbender: Okay, I'll see if I can do that after meetings today.
14:34 walterbender: It's an *awesome* revision. Huge +1.
14:34 --> meetings
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15:01 walterbender could SLOBS members please nod so we know when we have a quorum?
15:02 waves
15:02 mchua is here
15:05 walterbender CanoeBerry: ?
15:05 bernie_afk: ?
15:05 tomeu: ?
15:05 cjb?
15:06 while we are waiting...
15:06 does this look like something we should look into?
15:06 http://startl.org/programs-2/d[…]eams-a-must-read/
15:07 I've been asked to submit an application
15:09 mchua reading
15:09 walterbender: It sounds like Y Combinator with UI design.
15:10 satellit_ listening back fro Dr.
15:10 CanoeBerry Hi!
15:10 Am here at last.
15:11 walterbender adam: are you at 1CC?
15:11 cjb around?
15:12 mchua: I was thinking actually that they may be able to help us with some physical packaging of a "school kit" that includes SoaS and a server
15:13 CanoeBerry walterbender: unfort am not at 1CC
15:13 cjb's been online this morning however!
15:14 cjb here now
15:15 CanoeBerry bernie appears offline..
15:16 walterbender ok. we have a quorum
15:16 #start-meeting
15:16 err
15:16 #startmeeting
15:16 sugaroid Meeting started Tue Sep 14 15:16:44 2010 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:16 meeting Meeting started at 11:17 UTC. The chair is walterbender.
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15:16 walterbender hello all...
15:17 welcome all
15:17 Here's what I have on my list:
15:17 1. the upcoming election
15:17 2. the upcoming release -- just a quick status
15:17 mchua has a hard stop at noon
15:17 walterbender 3. local labs -- just a quick update
15:18 4. licensing request
15:18 Any other topics?
15:18 #topic election status
15:19 lfaroane is taking care of updating the member list
15:19 I have been soliciting candidates... so far, just one, SMParrish
15:19 cjb walterbender: hm, perhaps open the candidates up to a wiki page rather than mail?
15:19 walterbender maybe we can all agree to shake the bushes to get a few more? we have three positions to fill.
15:20 cjb dunno if it'll make a difference, but it's what we've done before
15:20 CanoeBerry cjb: agreed
15:20 walterbender cjb: I"l add it to the wiki.
15:20 hey, those of you whose terms are expiring, will you run again? (please?)
15:20 cjb hm, haven't finished deciding yet
15:21 (everyone whose term *isn't* up is continuing on, right?)
15:21 CanoeBerry i assume that me, cjb and Sean Daly? or something like that?
15:21 walterbender cjb: a few more weeks until we need to finalize the ballot
15:21 cjb CanoeBerry: we're the three with terms expiring, yes
15:21 walterbender CanoeBerry: yes, I think you, sean and chris
15:22 mchua Maybe it would help to articulate responsibilities/time commitment expected of board members, now that we have a slightly better idea of what that is?
15:22 Easier to visualize yourself in a job description that's partially fleshed in.
15:22 CanoeBerry did someone check that? i thought only 3 people had 2 year terms, but my memory could be going :)
15:22 walterbender CanoeBerry: yes. next year, 4 positions turn over
15:22 cjb CanoeBerry: yes, I checked it
15:22 CanoeBerry thx all!
15:23 walterbender mchua: in your copious free time, could you write a paragragh?
15:23 ^graph
15:23 mchua: I'll add a stub to the wiki home page
15:23 mchua walterbender: #action me :D
15:24 walterbender: Okeydokey, I'll tackle this after meetings today.
15:24 walterbender #action Walter and Mel will add a solicitation/description of the SLOB membership
15:25 anything else we need to worry about re the election?
15:25 would love more representation from deployments
15:25 mchua Voting setup? I don't recall if that's been discussed, but just making sure someone's on it.
15:25 (infrastructure-wise, I mean)
15:25 walterbender: Hrm, have the calls-for-candidates been translated into Spanish, etc?
15:26 walterbender mchua: I think Bernie put the word out... will check
15:26 mchua: I'll double check that Luke will handle the vote as well.
15:27 OK... moving on
15:27 #topic 0.90
15:28 erikos has done a great job pulling the release together on a tighter than usual schedule
15:28 we hit code freeze yesterday and release notes are starting to come together: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.90/Ntes
15:28 ^Notes
15:28 CanoeBerry aside: kudos to those who ran the elections last year, thanks Luke & all for helping us all here.
15:29 walterbender are there any questions/concerns re 0.90?
15:30 I'd also like to ack cjb re the new OLPC release as well as the Dextrose team.
15:30 mchua Not from me, I heard from pbrobinson the other day that 0.90 is all set to ship in the next release of Fedora (very beginning of November)
15:30 walterbender great stiff
15:30 ^stuff
15:30 cannot type today
15:31 cjb walterbender: Looks good to me!  I think we'll be backporting most of these to our stable release, which is a good sign that it's useful/needed work.
15:31 walterbender I don't know if everyone is following the discussion about the potential flag day for the new GNOME and Python versions
15:31 cjb I like the "recent additions" for activities, would love to see that more often
15:32 walterbender cjb: I did that for 0.88 too...
15:32 cjb: the 0.90 notes are far from complete...
15:33 cjb *nod*
15:34 walterbender It is worth noting the extent to which Sugar has been working downstream... more fluid IMHO
15:34 mchua +1, I've been noticing a lot more upstream/downstream bridging from SL this release cycle
15:35 which is a HUGE awesome plus - maybe slows development down a bit in the short term, but does amazing things for us long-term to have folks be more in sync.
15:35 walterbender tip of the hat to our partners...
15:36 It suggests a different role for Sugar Labs over time... more focused.
15:36 and more opportunities for partners/collaborators
15:37 which brings me to the next topic...
15:37 CanoeBerry Prior Topic: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/O[…]9-2010-candidates :)
15:37 walterbender #topic local labs
15:38 I think Ceibal Jam will be formally applying for Local Lab status.
15:38 just a heads up...
15:39 I think the role of a local lab is coming more into focus as the deployments mature...
15:40 also, there is a renewed effort at OLPC to put together a more detailed deployment guide.
15:40 our growing strength as a community is in the leaves...
15:41 now for a discussion...
15:41 #topic looming license request
15:42 I've had some second-hand conversations with a tablet manufacturer who is interested in Sugar
15:42 and being able to use the Sugar brand
15:43 It is somewhat complicated by the fact that they are an Android shop, so it may be more branding than code...
15:43 cjb that is complicated :)
15:43 walterbender in any case, I need some guidance in terms of how to proceed...
15:43 cjb are they going to ship the Sugar code, or not?
15:44 walterbender (1) would we consider letting people brand Sugar activities ported to Android as being Sugar acitvities?
15:44 cjb I think it would be a bad marketing move to allow companies to display the Sugar brand on devices that aren't actually running Sugar; that makes the brand a bit meaningless.  The Marketing team's a better place to ask that question, though.
15:44 walterbender cjb: I agree, but want to clarify what it means to be running Sugar
15:44 cjb if Android was going to have journal and collaboration support, it would be difficult
15:45 walterbender cjb: for example, if they implement a journal, sharing (in a way that is cross compatible, and the Sugar "look" is that running Sugar?
15:45 cjb walterbender: and view source?  :)
15:45 walterbender (and of course, view source)
15:46 mchua needs to ghost and get ready to teach a class
15:46 ping my nick if you need a vote
15:46 cjb I guess it's hard for me to answer the thought experiment because I can't imagine that this could actually be possible on Android.
15:46 mchua but I'll be reading less actively for the remainder of the hour.
15:46 walterbender mchua: I don't think we'll be voting on anything today... thankt
15:46 cjb: I want to explore how far they can/would go.
15:47 cjb 'k
15:47 walterbender cjb: at some level, I think the Sugar ideas getting into more places is more important... but at some point, it probably is not Sugar
15:47 right now, it is a pretty binary decision
15:48 and maybe it needs to stay that way
15:48 cjb yeah, I think marketing folks would approve of binary
15:48 at least Sean would, he's always very worried about brand dilution/confusion
15:48 walterbender the other place I need guidance is on a licensing fee model... right now the model is also binary
15:49 Pure Sugar and no fee
15:49 or it is not Sugar and no fee
15:49 cjb mm, yeah.  again, it's marketing strategy, which the rest of us have no particular competence at.
15:50 walterbender it is also a business decision
15:50 cjb if the marketing team said it's most important that we (a) have more money, and (b) have the word Sugar appear in as many places as possible with our logo, regardless of what it means, then my answer would be totally different
15:50 (but I haven't been hearing anything like that so far)
15:50 walterbender cjb: I haven't heard them say that either
15:52 and I suppose that what happens with individual Sugar Activities is strictly up to the activity developers...
15:52 cjb 'k.  yeah, it's complicated.  it does seem like "no sugar, no license" is a basic requirement of maintaining the brand, so that makes the binary decision sound sensible.
15:53 walterbender e.g., porting a collection of Sugar Activities en mass to Java/Android
15:54 cjb I don't think there's any decision there
15:54 it's free software; someone could just do it
15:54 they'd just have to be a bit careful about what they can call the result
15:54 most activity names are not trademarked, so they could usually keep the same name
15:55 walterbender exactly... and from the discussion today, it would not be called Sugar
15:55 cjb right
15:56 walterbender but I do want to explore the extent to which we could ack a Sugar-like environment on a different platform...
15:56 there is real interest out there
15:56 cjb we could define an API
15:56 walterbender and it could be a way to get into the hands of more kids...
15:56 cjb journal, collaboration, view source.. maybe even require dbus, although that would rule out Android I think
15:57 and say that if you've implemented everything in the core API, you can apply for a TM license for the result
15:57 walterbender some of the look and feel is perhaps more in the gray...
15:57 for example, could someone re-implement the Frame?
15:57 cjb sure
15:57 walterbender to be more suitable for touch?
15:57 cjb we didn't patent it
15:58 copyright law lets them reimplement it independently
15:58 walterbender I mean, would that mean they couldn't call it Sugar any more?
15:58 cjb oh, ok
15:58 yes, under the current TM policy AIUI
15:58 walterbender I mean replce the Frame with something else...
15:59 cjb the current trademark policy only allows for minor packaging/distro/bugfix changes and translations, before you stop having an automatic license
15:59 so they would have to apply for a trademark if they changed the UI
15:59 walterbender automatic, yes...
15:59 cjb and then we'd work out whether to grant it by looking at their work
15:59 and the earlier stuff would apply, I suppose -- if it's not generally compatible with other Sugar activities, it seems tough to call it Sugar, because that's confusing what Sugar is and what it isn't
15:59 walterbender I guess it is always going to be case by case... but I would like to be able to give them guidance
16:01 I'll do some more homework.
16:01 cjb yep.  so, I think the core API idea I just proposed is the most objective measure we're going to come up with easily.
16:02 walterbender cjb: agreed
16:02 cjb we should also consider whether it's a requirement that the new platform be able to run unmodified Sugar-python activities
16:02 because if it can't, that leads to great confusion about whether a particular machine "has Sugar or not" that doesn't help anyone
16:02 walterbender cjb: that is going to be hard on Android...
16:02 cjb until it gets better python support, yeah
16:03 (you can already write scripts in Python on Android, but not fully-fledged apps)
16:03 walterbender but if they had equivalents of Fructose...
16:03 in Java
16:04 and if the journal entries transferred
16:04 seems like a reasonable compromise...
16:04 we implemented Sugar in Python, but the core ideas are not Python
16:04 and the look and feel is not Python
16:04 cjb yep, it's an reasonable thing to discuss.
16:05 obviously their e.g. Pippy journal entries won't transfer
16:05 walterbender :)
16:05 cjb: did you see Tony Forster's Pippy slide rule?
16:05 cjb ooh, no, didn't see a Pippy one
16:06 walterbender cjb: every time I write a new activity, he writes Turtle Art and Pippy versions :)
16:06 cjb hehe
16:07 walterbender I do like the design-your-own slide feature in the new version of Slide Rule... inspired by Sugar
16:08 we digress... anything else for today?
16:09 CanoeBerry Just a reminder that we have ~50 RSVP's for SF!
16:09 Folks should definitely try to join up:
16:09 walterbender #action walter will report back on the potential Android port
16:09 CanoeBerry: I keep plugging it in the DIgest :)
16:09 CanoeBerry http://olpcSF.org/CommunitySummit2010
16:09 Thanks Walter.
16:09 walterbender CanoeBerry: alas, I am in .py
16:10 CanoeBerry I want several session to have strong remote participation.
16:10 Will have to finalize this will Sameer & all.
16:11 walterbender ok... ending meeting in 3
16:11 2
16:11 CanoeBerry In any case, wiki details are emerging today, a much stronger web site should appear (above link) within the week of so.
16:11 walterbender 1
16:11 #end-meeting
16:11 #endmeeting
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16:11 walterbender thanks everyone...
16:13 satellit_ walterbender: seen maple-syrup (sugar in netbook version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS    [SOAS} lists FYI: maple_syrup-O121_v02_v03 works on my netbook after some changes. 09/12/2010 08:01 AM
16:14 walterbender satellit_: haven't tried it yet...
16:14 satellit_: should it be listed on the Get Sugar page?
16:14 satellit_ works nicely after modification I mention in post to soas list
16:15 I can I think it is being done for one for one for caroline at RIT
16:16 may be a little early to list on get sugar. but something to watch plus USR is progressing nicely
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17:23 tomeu sorry, had to be out from home because of an urgency
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18:11 satellit_ walterbender: would this http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]ation_Kit_DVD.png  work better on your page? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]t_Internet_access.3F
18:12 I do not knoe how to replace the gear image
18:12 s/know
18:19 screenshot of http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tg[…]2up_Mirabelle.pdf
18:23 walterbender satellit_: that image is too big...
18:23 satellit_: the gear is the "view source" icon in Sugar
18:24 satellit_ ok will try to reduce it What size is needed?
18:25 walterbender satellit_: well, no more than about 150x150 pixels.
18:25 satellit_: BTW, did you see Steven Thomas's email re repeated file extensions?
18:26 satellit_ no what was it about?
18:26 walterbender is that an OSX bug (added a file extension when one already exists? or is it a problem with the files themselves?
18:26 email sent to iaep et al.
18:27 satellit_ i do not have a mac with intel chip so cannot test
18:27 works fine on windoz and fedora
18:28 walterbender I think it is an OSX problem...
18:29 satellit_ I know others have used file sucessfully on Mac..
18:29 I would have to look back to find who but I guess caroline would know
18:31 walterbender: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]n_Kit_DVD-150.png
18:32 walterbender tries it...
18:34 satellit_: I think it would be nicer if it had the silhouette of a CD...
18:35 satellit_ ok I do not have one here
18:41 walterbender satellit_: I just made one... posting in a moment
18:43 satellit_: check it out... I think it looks great.
18:43 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]:Walter/Get_Sugar
18:46 satellit_ +1  YES looks great
18:48 the deployments off internet "sneaker Net" should be mentioned
18:48 copy to Hd and pass it on
18:49 viral
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18:50 satellit_ Yes I like using disk 2 x
18:59 walterbender: question are ms window and apple images free for us to use?
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19:24 walterbender satellit_: I think this is fair use...
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19:30 satellit_ ok
19:30 looks great....
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21:39 satellit_ walterbender: Also:[http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]or_Mac_OS_X_Users] added link to your page, it has some good material.
21:45 tabs: do you run sugar on a Mac (intel) what are commonly used methods USB boot/Virtualization (type) etc. Walter is writing a new start page for sugar. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]:Walter/Get_Sugar  and needs info on OS-X uses of sugar...
21:45 walterbender satellit_: have you tried any of this on a MAC? Do you still need a helper CD?
21:46 Is the python script intimidating to the average MAC user?
21:46 satellit_ walterbender: I do not have an intel Mac just a G4 Powerbook...:  / cannot test.
21:47 caroline may know you should ask her.
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22:12 tabs sattelit_: yes I run Sugar on my Macbook Pro
22:14 I use Virtual box
22:14 satellit_ tabs: could you summarize your setup on walter's page...I do not have an intel mac so I cannot test methods....http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]:Walter/Get_Sugar   thanks
22:14 tabs: any problems setting it up?
22:15 tabs okay, will get Tom to help me write up how he does it tonight
22:15 think there were lots of issues actually
22:15 satellit_ thanks
22:15 tabs we have friends with Macs - one downloaded wrong iso first of all as it is confusing what you need
22:15 satellit_ I think it is important to get it correct on the wiwi...: )
22:15 tabs she made a non persistent Sugar in virtualbox, kept losing all her stuff, like live CD
22:16 I still dont have camera working in virtual box Sugar on mine either, but did get Mic working
22:16 satellit_ I use zyx-livinstaller or livinst to install to vb hd.
22:16 s/liveinstaller
22:17 then it is persistent
22:19 anyone using PPC Mac's with sugar and Virtual box?
22:19 a lot of schools have them here...
22:21 also your notes could go to lists and http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/VirtualBox
22:22 dave bauer at solution grove is a virtual box expert.....(daveb) though he is not on #sugar as much as he was.....
22:23 tabs: thanks for your help.
22:26 tabs satellit_: sorry I am distracted at work (it is 10.26am here)
22:27 satellit_ 3:26 pm in Oregon....sorry to hit you in working hrs.
22:28 tabs all good, reality of international projects
22:28 I keep IRC open so I can see what is going on but only jump in for short bits of participation and make note of things to do when I get home
22:29 quoting Tom reply to you - "tell him that mac is not supported without monumental geekery"
22:29 "the linked virtualbox appliance is a dissappointment"
22:36 Tom says "well, tell him that the virtualbox client thingy isn't included and is extrodinarilly difficult to install,  and the mouse just doesn't work right without it and it has a root password,   and it doesn't ask you for a sugar name and colour
22:39 satellit_ Hmm Install on f12 and f13 here on Sun Virtual box HD was quite easy. though I did not try  installing the "tools" then exported it see http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tg[…]eREADME_FIRST.txt
22:48 tabs Tom wrote up about our experience with virtual box Saturday 4 sept - This virtualbox was created with the appliance from
22:48 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]SoaS_Mirabelleand
22:48 a bunch of painful steps. I couldn't work out how to become root, so I
22:48 broke in with system rescue cd. I adjusted gdm to auto login and I had great
22:48 trouble installing the virtualbox guest additions, it turns out you need to
22:48 install the updated kernel, as yum will happily install it's headers without
22:48 installing the kernel itself (wtf??). The virtualbox guest build script
22:48 doesn't tell you why it fails, so it took a bit of sluething to see the
22:48 version msismatch and realise I had to upgrade the new kernel. I didn't do
22:48 the full yum upgrade because I was borrowing someone's internet and the
22:48 upgrade was large.
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