| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 10:10 | SeanDaly | #topic Mirabelle media launch |
| 10:11 | following up on our last marketing meeting & yesterday's SoaS meeting I think a media campaign about Mirabelle and the SpaS team for LinuxTag will work | |
| 10:11 | s/Spas/Soas | |
| 10:12 | erikos | listens |
| 10:12 | SeanDaly | As I think erikos pointed out linuxtag was SoaS's first media campaign a year ago |
| 10:12 | erikos | SeanDaly: that is right |
| 10:13 | SeanDaly | Due to a number of circumstances Mirabelle can't have the same e-book focus we had in December |
| 10:14 | So this time I think a focus on the team will work | |
| 10:14 | Recruitment needs to be a priority, we are too lean | |
| 10:15 | We've arranged with olpcnews for sdz to do a guest post | |
| 10:15 | about Mirabelle and the team | |
| 10:15 | erikos | SeanDaly: sounds great |
| 10:15 | sdziallas | nods. (which is awesome, btw!) |
| 10:16 | SeanDaly: thanks for that; I'm still writing it but I'll have it done soon. | |
| 10:16 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: we can time this to appear the day before the press release |
| 10:16 | (date we should pick now) | |
| 10:16 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: I think that'd make sense, yup! +1 |
| 10:16 | erikos | SeanDaly: as Fedora is not present at this year's Linuxtag, maybe we can get the people that would normally go toFedora... :) |
| 10:17 | SeanDaly | by the way, this is a classic technique for generating positive coverage; you may remember Walter did a piece on teleread.org for Blueberry, and a piece on Groklaw for I think the joint FSF PR |
| 10:17 | erikos: ah I didn't know that | |
| 10:18 | erikos: you'll be distributing balloons ;-) | |
| 10:18 | erikos | SeanDaly: of course |
| 10:19 | SeanDaly: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/M[…]Tag2010#Equipment | |
| 10:19 | SeanDaly: these are the current numbers of the merchandise we have | |
| 10:19 | SeanDaly: maybe we should get more... | |
| 10:19 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: I won't guide you about what to write, you write well. My only advice would be to focus on how the change to spin status solves the sustainability problem and we need more team members ;-) |
| 10:20 | erikos: maybe some more flyers? | |
| 10:20 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: thank you! yeah, I think I'll put some strong statements in that what you're doing is not something you do easily or something... you're right :) |
| 10:21 | walterbender | there is the recent on-line availability of the linux-magazine-es article we may use, perhaps? |
| 10:21 | JT4sugar | Focus on stability, customization, localization-call out for building local teams-this allows for empowerment at local level |
| 10:21 | erikos | SeanDaly: I don't think we are short on flyers, we did not hand out more last time |
| 10:21 | SeanDaly | satellit_: ping? |
| 10:21 | satellit_ | listening |
| 10:21 | SeanDaly | erikos: oh OK |
| 10:21 | JT4sugar | erikos, If you are looking to give out something Mirabelle SoaS Creation Kit DVD may be way to go |
| 10:22 | SeanDaly | satellit_: I think we should promote the SoaS Creation Kit in our PR |
| 10:22 | erikos | JT4sugar: SeanDaly yeah, good point |
| 10:22 | SeanDaly | hee hee minds in phase not like that every day :D |
| 10:22 | satellit_ | +1 even though it is not a approved "feature"? |
| 10:23 | erikos | SeanDaly: we will try to sell usb-sticks |
| 10:23 | SeanDaly | erikos: great |
| 10:24 | erikos | SeanDaly: we ordered 10 and we will see how it goes for the future |
| 10:24 | SeanDaly: if there is potential, we can do more then | |
| 10:24 | satellit_ | * any way to make some with liveinst or zyx-liveinstaller as ext4? Much more robust |
| 10:24 | SeanDaly | satellit_, JT4sugar forgive my ignorance but did Mike Lee help us after all with DVD sleeve artwork? |
| 10:24 | JT4sugar | satellit_, Does that mean Feature for SL? Or is that a Fedora thing? |
| 10:25 | satellit_ | fedora... |
| 10:25 | SeanDaly | I ask because I could arrange to have a small run of DVDs burned to send to erikos |
| 10:25 | satellit_ | * are there any changes in DVD I should do before? |
| 10:25 | JT4sugar | SeanDaly, Yes he supplied artwork for CD-Sugar Demo and DVD-Sugar on a Stick Creation Kit |
| 10:26 | SeanDaly | is that on the wiki? I remember seeing something |
| 10:27 | satellit_: think you've been numbering your DVD versions do you foresee more changes coming? | |
| 10:27 | satellit_ | only if requested.... |
| 10:28 | SeanDaly | satellit_: I ask before I have 20 or 40 duplicated ;-) |
| 10:28 | satellit_ | *09 is Mirabelle but has older strawberry and blueberry on directory |
| 10:28 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: remnd me please the date of your talk at LinuxTag? |
| 10:28 | JT4sugar | satellit_, The version I believe we gave out at Computers and Writing conference was 7.0 I think you are now at 9.0. I need to download and look |
| 10:28 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: It's June 11! |
| 10:29 | SeanDaly | satellit_: it's great to have previous images on there |
| 10:29 | sdziallas: morning or afternoon? sorry I forgot | |
| 10:29 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: morning! 10.30 until 11 or something. |
| 10:29 | (yup, that's it) | |
| 10:29 | #link http://www.linuxtag.org/2010/e[…]s.html?talkid=382 | |
| 10:30 | JT4sugar | satellit_, Want to see that we have enough guidance included for the not so technical |
| 10:30 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: OK the reason ask is, we want to create an event with buzz and the question is do we have the PR released the very day of yor talk, or prior |
| 10:30 | my instinct is prior, to leverage opening day of LinuxTag which I think is the 9th | |
| 10:31 | JT4sugar | SeanDaly, My suggestion is prior so SDZ talk is standing room only |
| 10:31 | satellit_ | * Basically wiki/ and ASLO plus .iso's and foss manuals |
| 10:31 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: I'd argue prior makes sense, too. (since it might attract more people to LinuxTag, too) |
| 10:32 | SeanDaly | How about the 9th? that way we can dateline from LinuxTag and point to sdz talk 2 days later |
| 10:33 | sdziallas | that sounds good! |
| 10:33 | so the olpcnews article would have to go out by June 8, right? | |
| 10:34 | erikos | SeanDaly: 9th sounds good to me |
| 10:34 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: yes that would be the idea; and mention in there how "lucky" visitors to LinuxTag can pick up Mirabelle and SoaS Creation Kit and meet SL contributors |
| 10:34 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: okeydokey, can do that! |
| 10:35 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: I'll ask Wayan, but just so you know it's often the case that editors can't accomodate. With advance notice should be OK though. |
| 10:35 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: okay, cool! (I can get it done by June 7th or 6th or so, too) |
| 10:36 | satellit_ | * please review 09 DVD and see it has what you need on it..... ( there is time to change it if needed) |
| 10:36 | SeanDaly | satellit_: is SoaS-CK available by torrent too, or direct download only? it's b i g |
| 10:37 | satellit_ | no torrent. do not know how to set it up only from sunjammer Tgillard |
| 10:37 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: the 6th would be ideal so Wayan has time to look it over |
| 10:37 | satellit_ | * about 2 hr DL at HS cable |
| 10:37 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: alright, we can go for that. |
| 10:37 | SeanDaly | I've been struggling these past months with no ADSL at home :-( long story |
| 10:38 | satellit_ | I can mail a DVD of .iso if needed |
| 10:38 | JT4sugar | sdziallas, When talking about Creation Kit I think we want to seed idea that it allows you to copy files to your machine and begin to create Sugar on a Stick and then allows you to pass DVD onto colleague and so on "Sugar Baton Program" |
| 10:38 | SeanDaly | satellit_: is DVD artwork a PDF? same download location? |
| 10:39 | hee hee "share your ice cream" | |
| 10:39 | satellit_ | I do not know of artwork |
| 10:39 | SeanDaly | satellit_: will try to download overnight |
| 10:40 | satellit_ | ok Let me know DVD is small to mail |
| 10:40 | *Bend Oregon | |
| 10:40 | SeanDaly | satellit_: snailmail will take time I'm afraid I'm in Paris |
| 10:40 | JT4sugar | I will email artwork its in EPS and PDF |
| 10:40 | sdziallas | JT4sugar: *nod* |
| 10:41 | SeanDaly | OK let's talk about the visual for a moment OK? |
| 10:41 | I mean te one which will accompany the PR and is often reproduced in news websites & blogs | |
| 10:41 | JT4sugar | Just sent artwork to Sean, satelit, SDZ |
| 10:42 | SeanDaly | we can use the updated-color-combo beauty shot with the four sticks |
| 10:42 | upside: branding is strong and color change is fresh | |
| 10:42 | downside: same-old, same-old | |
| 10:43 | alternatives: beauty shot with SoaS Mirabelle logo of DVD + stick; | |
| 10:43 | satellit_ | *artwork here |
| 10:43 | SeanDaly | or a netbook with stick? |
| 10:44 | Somewhere I have the alternate beauty shots my friend Philippe did at the time. The 4 sticks was the best one, but there were a couple others - I will look for those | |
| 10:45 | yet another alternative: one or more team members holding stick, or netbook? | |
| 10:45 | focus on team... | |
| 10:45 | what do you think? | |
| 10:47 | looking at artwork... | |
| 10:48 | erikos | SeanDaly: artwork, hmmm ;p |
| 10:48 | SeanDaly: I liked the picture of the tree that Sebastian used | |
| 10:49 | SeanDaly | artwork is great but I wonder if we can tweak if necessary, DVD logo instead of CD logo for example |
| 10:49 | erikos: which tree was that? | |
| 10:50 | erikos | a mirabelle one |
| 10:50 | SeanDaly | oh on the blog post... |
| 10:51 | sdziallas | got that from flickr - it's under a Creative Commons license! :) |
| 10:51 | JT4sugar | Walter in his presentation at Computers & Writing had a slide of table full of different netbooks with SoaS it might work |
| 10:51 | erikos | sdziallas: perfect ;p |
| 10:51 | JT4sugar | SeanDaly, Tweak? DVD vs CD? |
| 10:52 | sdziallas | #link http://sdziallas.com/blog/seba[…]ey-are-there.html |
| 10:52 | SeanDaly | JT4sugar: yes look at DVD artwork logo is says CD... better to say DVD |
| 10:52 | sdziallas | #link http://www.flickr.com/photos/d[…]ian17/4609948479/ |
| 10:52 | JT4sugar | Gotcha |
| 10:52 | sdziallas | uh, actually no. it's a wrong link. |
| 10:53 | SeanDaly | JT4sugar: also better to have Mirabelle clors instead of Strawberry colors |
| 10:54 | JT4sugar | SeanDaly, Is that easy change for you to make with files I sent you? |
| 10:55 | SeanDaly | JT4sugar: EPS file: not sure, I installed Inkscape and bouht a book but am not a maven; will ask garycmartin for advice or even Mike |
| 10:55 | sdziallas | #link http://www.flickr.com/photos/enil/3892066169/ (here it is) |
| 10:55 | SeanDaly | s/bouht/bought |
| 10:56 | I love nature, grass, breeze, mirabelles, and France, but you'll forgive me if I prefer an image with Sugar branding :D | |
| 10:56 | sdziallas | grins. |
| 10:57 | erikos | SeanDaly: how about, creating a memory game with this picture? |
| 10:57 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: do you have any headshots lying around? |
| 10:57 | erikos | SeanDaly: there is one pair open, the mirabelle one |
| 10:57 | SeanDaly | erikos: wow that would make a good Sugar screenshot |
| 10:59 | erikos: I guess the other pairs would be strawberries & blueberries & cloudberries? | |
| 10:59 | erikos | SeanDaly: would work, too indeed ;p |
| 10:59 | SeanDaly | OK I need to go soon but one more topic |
| 10:59 | erikos | SeanDaly: heh, now it comes: |
| 10:59 | strawberry and blueberry are both turned over, and one mirabelle is opne | |
| 11:00 | and the cursor over another tail :) | |
| 11:00 | feels too arty today | |
| 11:00 | SeanDaly | sdziallas I mentioned in last night's SoaS meeting problem in promoting fedora minisite for SoaS |
| 11:00 | sdziallas | sorry, had somebody at the door. |
| 11:00 | is back now, reading backlog. | |
| 11:00 | SeanDaly | I feel strongly that the link we put in our PR (the main SoaS wiki page) should not change |
| 11:01 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: uh, headshots? (sorry, can you rephrase?) |
| 11:01 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: :D |
| 11:02 | it's the nice photo of you in a photographer's studio, smiling like you don't on your passport, that I send to curious journalists who want to call you and quote you :D | |
| 11:02 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: ahhh :) |
| 11:03 | SeanDaly: http://people.sugarlabs.org/sdz/sdziallas.jpg ? | |
| 11:03 | SeanDaly | I mean, a photomaton booth at the railway station will do perhaps ;-) |
| 11:03 | sdziallas: that's a nice one! | |
| 11:04 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: it's... I suppose one of the few that could remotely work (I usually look pretty strange on pictures) |
| 11:04 | SeanDaly | so you don't mind if I give out for publication if a journalist asks? licensing and photographer credit OK? |
| 11:04 | looks very strange in photos | |
| 11:05 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: sure, go ahead. I think it was a classmate of mine taking it (it's in front of my former school), so I don't think that'll cause issues (it's even my camera, so... yeah). |
| 11:06 | SeanDaly | "self portrait of a young man" |
| 11:06 | sdziallas | grins. |
| 11:07 | SeanDaly | I need to go now... any other questions or comments? |
| 11:07 | satellit_ | * Note besides Mini Site: -There is a DL on http://download.sugarlabs.org/[…]s-3-mirabelle.iso ;also (non-torrent) I think sdz put it there? |
| 11:08 | sdziallas | satellit_: I put it there to not break the scheme we had before. it can't hurt to have it on dl.sl.o. |
| 11:08 | satellit_ | : ) |
| 11:08 | SeanDaly | satellit_: my own feeling is that it's preferable downloads happen from SL site, just so we can capture the stats. But if fedora site can rack basic stats, not too much of an issue |
| 11:08 | JT4sugar | satellit_, I will look at new Creation kit 9.0 later today and send you comments if that works |
| 11:08 | satellit_ | great |
| 11:08 | SeanDaly | s/rack/track |
| 11:09 | hi garycmartin... I'm afraid you're at the end of this... | |
| 11:09 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: Damn, only just got to your email today. |
| 11:11 | SeanDaly | garycmartin: I am terrible at sending invites in a timely manner, but good at being present in the timeslot... I will post log shortly I just had a question for you |
| 11:11 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: we've stats directly on spins.fp.o (we're over 350 downloads as of yesterday), but I bet they could get us more detailed ones, too, if we asked more. |
| 11:11 | JT4sugar | SeanDaly, Having a track through Fedora to get SoaS helps our cause since Sugar is mentioned in F13 notes |
| 11:11 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: all I really care about is total downloads; I imagine they don't mind if there are several thousand downloads during LinuxTag? :D |
| 11:12 | satellit_ | * any way to get stats on DL of DVD from Tgillard? |
| 11:12 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: I don't think they will :) |
| 11:12 | SeanDaly | garycmartin: I just forwarded Mike Lee art for SoaS Creation Kit DVD |
| 11:13 | satellit_ | sdziallas: any way to move DVD to download.sugarlabs..releases? |
| 11:13 | SeanDaly | we are wondering if it's a lot of work (for myself, for Mike, or for you) to mirabellize logo and replace CD logo with DVD data logo |
| 11:13 | cfalciola | Hi! |
| 11:13 | SeanDaly | greetings cfalciola! |
| 11:14 | I'm very sorry but we are near end of meeting I need to leave soon | |
| 11:14 | sdziallas | satellit_: I think this is part of what needs to be discussed during the feature conversation for the next releases. |
| 11:14 | SeanDaly | but has been productive will post log right after |
| 11:14 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: well, thanks for the cool meeting :) |
| 11:14 | cfalciola | Short , but definitely intense! :) |
| 11:15 | SeanDaly | JT4sugar: I certainly think Fedora rates a mention in PR, but keep in mind Fedora brand like Sugar Labs brand is still weak; best-known brand in our ecosystem is the XO itself, but that's not what we want to show for SoaS |
| 11:16 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: Got your email PDFs and eps' yea I think I can Mirabellize them send back. |
| 11:16 | SeanDaly | garycmartin: fantastic! Mike Lee had done these for JT4sugar, I don't know if there are source versions or what - worth asking? |
| 11:17 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: These should be fine to work on, long as they are not bitmap ;) |
| 11:17 | SeanDaly | cfalciola, garycmartin: briefly, plan is to do Mirabelle media campaign with team/recruitment focus for LinuxTag around June 9 |
| 11:18 | ouch need to run is that it? | |
| 11:19 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: Will read the logs. |
| 11:19 | SeanDaly | ok many thanks to all |
| 11:19 | going once... | |
| 11:20 | going twice... | |
| 11:20 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:12 | jelkner | walterbender, jamie finished the 1st user story i asked him to do |
| 16:12 | walterbender | I like the term "user story" |
| 16:12 | jelkner | he now has a command line way to generate png files from ta files |
| 16:12 | walterbender | that is great. |
| 16:12 | jelkner | jboisture, why don't you describe what you did |
| 16:12 | walterbender | jamie: do you want to post your patch for review? |
| 16:13 | jboisture | well I couldn't find a way of fitting it into turtleart as it was |
| 16:13 | walterbender | hmm |
| 16:14 | jboisture | so its basically a new program that without all of the GUI parts instead it draws to a pixmap |
| 16:14 | walterbender | that is one way to do it... |
| 16:15 | but I presume you are able to reuse most of the code | |
| 16:16 | jboisture | yes most of it is the same but there are some big changes I had to make in the way to it sets up the drawing envoirnment |
| 16:16 | walterbender | jboisture: TA already draws to a pixmap... |
| 16:16 | I guess I don't understand why you couldn't just autoload the project and save it... | |
| 16:17 | jboisture: there is a flag to set to determine if a project is run upon loading | |
| 16:17 | jboisture | hmm. would there be a way to do that without any GUI so that it would run on a server |
| 16:18 | jelkner | walterbender, our use case requires that |
| 16:18 | that's the point | |
| 16:18 | we want a web app that takes a .ta file | |
| 16:18 | walterbender | and there is glue to write the canvas to a png |
| 16:20 | jboisture | it actually draws now to a drawing area which can only be created on the GUI. we wanted no GUI so we needed to switch to a using pixmap and pixbuf |
| 16:21 | walterbender | Ah. Gotcha. |
| 16:22 | jboisture | So do you think there would be a better way. I would have liked to make it a command line option within turtleart, but I just didn't see a very practical way. |
| 16:23 | walterbender | jboisture: send me your code and I'll look to see if there is a way to integrate it... |
| 16:24 | jelkner | lfaraone, walterbender and jboisture are talking about jboisture's work to get png files generated from .ta files |
| 16:25 | lfaraone, where is the best place to host this work, so that the student intern working on the website can access it tomorrow? | |
| 16:25 | walterbender | jboisture: it would be cool to generalize the work so that any Sugar activity launched from the shell could render itself as PNG |
| 16:27 | jelkner | waits for lfaraone to respond... |
| 16:27 | lfaraone | jelkner: uh, host the png generation work? |
| 16:27 | jelkner | yes |
| 16:27 | i have a senior experience student with 3 weeks to work on the turtleart website project | |
| 16:27 | lfaraone | jboisture, jelkner: since upstream, walterbender, uses gitorious, you should clone Walter's repo there and upload your changes. |
| 16:28 | jelkner | it isn't changes, lfaraone, its a seperate app |
| 16:29 | walterbender | jelkner: I agree with lfaraone; we bundle turtleart.py with TurtleArtActivity.py... we keep all the parts together in one place... |
| 16:29 | lfaraone | jelkner: okay. well, it's up to you and walterbender how to organize it. |
| 16:29 | jelkner | walterbender, keeping the parts together is definitely the best idea |
| 16:29 | lfaraone | jelkner: I don't see a problem keeping them in separate trees, so you might as well go the gitorious route. |
| 16:30 | jelkner | the easiest thing for jboisture will just be to create a launchpad sub project under sugarteam |
| 16:30 | he is already a member | |
| 16:30 | and knows how to do that | |
| 16:30 | walterbender | from the maintenance POV, since most of the code is shared... |
| 16:31 | jelkner | aaron crowe is also a team member |
| 16:31 | and i'll be able to tell him to grab it tomorrow morning | |
| 16:31 | so he can continue work on the website | |
| 16:32 | we only have him for 3 weeks | |
| 16:32 | walterbender | well, where ever it lands, I'd like to take a look. |
| 16:32 | jelkner | great |
| 16:32 | lfaraone | jelkner: the issue with using Launchpad is that upstream uses a different technology. |
| 16:32 | jelkner | lfaraone, i understand |
| 16:32 | it's a drawback | |
| 16:33 | lfaraone | jelkner: which makes it harder for walterbender to merge your changes. |
| 16:33 | jelkner | but the advantages out weigh the disadvantages here |
| 16:33 | since we already know what to do | |
| 16:33 | nothing new to learn | |
| 16:33 | lfaraone | jelkner: you can continue to use bzr with git, you just will be using the gitorious site. |
| 16:33 | jelkner | lfaraone, feel free to move stuff over there |
| 16:34 | or set it up for us | |
| 16:34 | jboisture | ok I'm going to create a launchpad branch. Walter, I'll send you the code so you can take a look, and I'll look at whether or not I think it could be integrated in as a command option. |
| 16:34 | jelkner | sweet |
| 16:34 | walterbender | jboisture: sounds good. |
| 16:35 | jelkner | walterbender, the goal is for aaron crowe to have a web2py appliance that permits users to upload .ta files and makes them available for viewing and sharing |
| 16:35 | we hope to have that going in the next few weeks | |
| 16:36 | walterbender | jelkner: OK. that'll be great. |
| 16:36 | jelkner | he'll use what jboisture just wrote to generate the png files |
| 16:36 | lfaraone | jelkner: re web2py, you, myself, and morris need to meet about that. |
| 16:36 | walterbender | jelkner: I need to make a new TA release soon, so I will try to land Jamie's patch |
| 16:36 | jelkner | great! |
| 16:37 | and lfaraone, we need a new debian package soon, too | |
| 16:37 | lfaraone | jelkner: for TA? |
| 16:37 | jelkner | yes |
| 16:37 | lfaraone | jelkner: isn't matt on that? |
| 16:38 | jelkner | that's right |
| 16:38 | walterbender | jboisture: if we want to get fancy, we can do the same datahiding hack that Brian did for the Java version: put the .ta file bits encoded in the LSB of the .png |
| 16:38 | jelkner | i'll ask him first then |
| 16:39 | walterbender, do you mean you can run the .ta files from the images on turtleart.org? | |
| 16:39 | i never realized that | |
| 16:39 | since i've never used the java version | |
| 16:39 | lfaraone | jelkner: I'm not sure where we stand on that. If he's ready to begin uploading to Debian Unstable, let me know and I'll have my sponsor take a look. |
| 16:40 | jelkner | lfaraone, let me call him |
| 16:40 | walterbender | jelkner: yes... the .ta data is " |
| 16:40 | hidden" in the image | |
| 16:40 | and the java version finds it and runs it... | |
| 16:42 | jboisture | hmm... well I'm not sure where you would start with that, but it could be pretty cool. |
| 16:42 | walterbender | jboisture: yes. let's wrap this first stage up... |
| 16:42 | jboisture | yes that sounds good to me |
| 16:43 | jelkner | walterbender, can we talk color? |
| 16:44 | walterbender | sure |
| 16:44 | jelkner | the colors now are rather limited |
| 16:44 | there is no black, for example | |
| 16:45 | seems for an art project, that's something important to fix | |
| 16:45 | walterbender | true... |
| 16:45 | there is gray now... | |
| 16:45 | jelkner | since when? |
| 16:45 | and i don't really understand the color model | |
| 16:46 | how the numbers correspond to things i do understand | |
| 16:46 | like red green blue | |
| 16:46 | walterbender | jelkner: it is polar... a double cone |
| 16:47 | but it doesn't quite reach black or white | |
| 16:47 | jelkner | ahh |
| 16:47 | i'll have to read about that | |
| 16:47 | walterbender | in the Java version, there is a cheat code to get black and white |
| 16:47 | jelkner | yes, -9999 |
| 16:48 | why didn't you use standard r g b color? | |
| 16:48 | walterbender | But I would prefer to use a more common color model, such as Lab or Luv, mapped to polar coordinates. |
| 16:48 | rgb is pretty awful for specification. | |
| 16:49 | jelkner | ok |
| 16:49 | walterbender | easy to program, hard to visualize |
| 16:49 | we def. want a hue, value, chroma system of some sort | |
| 16:50 | Munsell is my personal favorite | |
| 16:50 | jelkner | so i'm thinking this is something jboisture could help code |
| 16:50 | *if* you gave us the rules | |
| 16:50 | we want it to work like this... | |
| 16:50 | walterbender | jelkner: easy enough |
| 16:50 | jboisture: let me know when you want t begin on that... | |
| 16:52 | jboisture | lets start now, since I just finished the other project |
| 16:52 | walterbender | sorry about that... |
| 16:53 | jboisture: OK. Step one is to get acquainted with Lab/Luv. | |
| 16:53 | there is a decent wikipedia article | |
| 16:54 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIELUV_color_space | |
| 16:55 | you'll want to map a polar coordinate system on top of it | |
| 16:55 | jboisture: once you get the math sorted out, it is simply a matter of replacing the appropriate methods in tacanvas.py | |
| 16:56 | rgs_ | takes a look of what is being discussed.. |
| 16:56 | jboisture | ok well it looks like I have some reading to do |
| 16:56 | walterbender | jboisture: it looks hairy, but it is still 3 numbers to describe a color |
| 16:57 | Y is black to white | |
| 16:57 | and your polar coordinates describe hue (which color) and saturation (grayness) | |
| 16:58 | jboisture | ok but that sounds like the variables and turtle art only allows for color and shade. |
| 16:59 | walterbender | jboisture: recently, I added gray |
| 17:00 | needs to take another call at 5... so we should wrap up | |
| 17:00 | jelkner | agrees |
| 17:00 | jboisture | oh ok I didn't realize that I think I can take it from here. |
| 17:00 | jelkner | cool |
| 17:00 | let's meet again next tuesday? | |
| 17:01 | since jboisture will be here each tuesday | |
| 17:01 | walterbender | sure |
| 17:01 | jelkner | with good news to report! ;-) |
| 17:01 | #endmeeting |
