| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 10:10 | tomeu | #topic welcome newcomers |
| 10:11 | do we have any new people in the meeting? | |
| 10:11 | counts to five | |
| 10:11 | mk8 | tomeu: I hope to follow all the meeting today |
| 10:11 | alsroot | here |
| 10:12 | satellit_ | listening |
| 10:12 | tomeu | mk8 is not a newcomer, but maybe is not known by everybody yet? |
| 10:13 | silbe | mk8: go ahead and introduce yourself, please. |
| 10:13 | so we can start with the meeting :) | |
| 10:14 | tomeu | isn't obligatory, but would be a way of inaugurating this permanent topic |
| 10:14 | mk8 | ok silbe, I'm follow the sugar project from some years and for it I develop the sugar-sharp a modulo to allow to write activity in mono |
| 10:14 | tomeu | and you also coded a fuse plugin for the DS |
| 10:14 | mk8 | and fsgateway that is a fuse module to access to the sugar datastore from outside sugar, like a normal filesystem |
| 10:14 | also writte in mono | |
| 10:15 | s/writte/written | |
| 10:15 | silbe | ah, the mono filesystem guy :D |
| 10:15 | erikos_ | is around |
| 10:16 | tomeu | ok, so next topic: |
| 10:16 | (unless we have more presentations) | |
| 10:16 | #topic 0.88 Release: hard code freeze, final release, 0.88.1 | |
| 10:16 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]m/Release/Roadmap | |
| 10:16 | erikos_ | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0[…]/Roadmap#Schedule |
| 10:17 | tomeu: may I? | |
| 10:17 | tomeu | sure |
| 10:17 | erikos_ | As you see in the 0.88 schedule: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0[…]/Roadmap#Schedule |
| 10:17 | we are in hard code freeze at the moment | |
| 10:17 | this means: No source code changes can be made without approval from the release-team. Translation and documentation can continue. | |
| 10:18 | any questions about the hard code freeze? | |
| 10:18 | tomeu | no questions from here |
| 10:18 | erikos_ | (approval can be gained by asking for an exception on the sugar-devel mailing list) |
| 10:18 | ok | |
| 10:19 | the next tarballs will be produced by next monday | |
| 10:19 | all the exceptions must therefore land by then | |
| 10:19 | (landing includes reviewing the patch of course) | |
| 10:19 | so waht do we need to do during that weeK: | |
| 10:20 | a) testing - I started to put together the site: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0[…]ing#Testing_plans | |
| 10:20 | that will be announced today | |
| 10:20 | b) see if there are critical bugs and fix them | |
| 10:21 | c) finish the release notes at: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Notes | |
| 10:21 | that's mainly what we need to do for the 0.88 release | |
| 10:21 | now one may ask: "What if my bug is not a show stopper, but I want to include it as it is important?" | |
| 10:21 | walterbender | erikos_: nice |
| 10:21 | erikos_ | there will be a bug fix release |
| 10:22 | silbe_ | goes reading the backlog (IRC connection timed out) |
| 10:22 | erikos_ | at Apr 28 |
| 10:22 | so, fixes can go in there | |
| 10:22 | any questions about the bugfix release? | |
| 10:24 | waits.... :) | |
| 10:24 | satellit_ | bug 1835 |
| 10:24 | oops | |
| 10:24 | erikos_ | ok, so let's see... |
| 10:25 | tomeu | erikos_: should we get a list of the bugs we want in the bugfix release? |
| 10:25 | erikos_ | silbe: what would you do if you find today a 'major' bug not a show stopper? |
| 10:25 | picked sascha randomly of course | |
| 10:25 | tomeu | sees erikos is in teacher mode |
| 10:25 | silbe_ | erikos_: curse the one who introduced the bug :-P |
| 10:25 | erikos_ | silbe: that would be a god start ;p |
| 10:26 | tomeu: yeah that would be great - we can start now with it, if you want | |
| 10:26 | sdziallas: shhhh | |
| 10:26 | sdziallas: has the yellow card ;p | |
| 10:26 | sdziallas | erikos_: mhm? |
| 10:26 | tomeu | maybe we have enough time? |
| 10:27 | erikos_ | would be fine with me |
| 10:27 | sdziallas: i am just kidding | |
| 10:27 | tomeu | do people have any tickets in their minds for the bugfix release? |
| 10:28 | sdziallas | erikos_: blahblah :) |
| 10:28 | tomeu | and even features, but those should have very strong support from deployments |
| 10:28 | erikos_ | tomeu: http://tinyurl.com/yb65glf |
| 10:29 | tomeu: maybe we can start with the open reviews | |
| 10:29 | tomeu | good idea |
| 10:29 | silbe_ | I've got a data store fix for rainbow support that would be a good candidate for 0.88.1; will commit it after I finish testing. |
| 10:30 | erikos_ | silbe_: |
| 10:30 | ok | |
| 10:30 | tomeu | http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1719 depending on how often can the race happen |
| 10:30 | " resume journal entry race may duplicate resumed activity id" | |
| 10:30 | erikos_ | yeah |
| 10:30 | tomeu | btw, should be branching soonish? |
| 10:30 | erikos_ | tomeu: I commented in the ticket what I have found out so far |
| 10:31 | tomeu | do people want to start pushing 0.90 stuff? |
| 10:31 | erikos_ | tomeu: thought about that, too |
| 10:31 | silbe_ | that's one I probably encountered during testing and that made me fix the bug I cannot reproduce right now ;) |
| 10:31 | tomeu | silbe_: cannot make the race more probable by adding a time.sleep()? |
| 10:32 | silbe_ | tomeu: yes, please fork soon so I can finally fix those pesky pylint+PEP8 complaints |
| 10:32 | erikos_ | tomeu: I think we have a few features and enhancements that we did not land in 0.88 |
| 10:32 | tomeu: I would like to push them early in 0.90 - so they do not miss the boat again | |
| 10:32 | tomeu | erikos_: silbe_: ok, sounds good to fork early, push to 0.90, and think if we want anything backported to 0.88.x |
| 10:32 | erikos_ | silbe_: right, those I think would be good as well |
| 10:33 | silbe_ | tomeu: the problem was finding out how to enter the code path that got the second bug - I can produce a duplicated data store entry manually |
| 10:33 | erikos_: +1 | |
| 10:33 | tomeu | pushing cleanups will make harder to backport, but well |
| 10:34 | erikos_ | tomeu: yeah, that is true - but as backports should not be invasive... |
| 10:34 | tomeu | yeah, no big deal |
| 10:35 | silbe_ | tomeu: that's always the case, and we already delayed the style fixes for two releases, i.e. over a year. |
| 10:35 | erikos_ | tomeu: silbe_ I would say to directly branch after 0.88.0 |
| 10:35 | tomeu | sounds good |
| 10:35 | silbe_ | erikos_: sounds like a plan |
| 10:35 | tomeu | silbe_: sure |
| 10:35 | erikos_ | nice |
| 10:36 | ok, let's go back to the tickets... | |
| 10:36 | silbe_: 1659 - 0.88.x or 0.90 ? | |
| 10:38 | silbe_ | looks |
| 10:39 | erikos_: let's move it to 0.90, but early so it finally gets more testing | |
| 10:39 | erikos_ | silbe_: ok |
| 10:39 | silbe_: 1755 ? | |
| 10:40 | silbe_ | erikos_: 0.88.1 |
| 10:41 | erikos_ | silbe_: sounds ok with me - tomeu? |
| 10:41 | tomeu: re #1755 | |
| 10:42 | tomeu | yeah, it's annoying |
| 10:42 | erikos_ | ok |
| 10:43 | #1755: tch, Daniel said it would be great to land it in 0.88.1 - the bugfix release | |
| 10:43 | tch: do you agree that it is for your deployment important? | |
| 10:44 | silbe_ | erikos_: wrong ticket? |
| 10:44 | *ticket number | |
| 10:44 | tomeu | guess http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1759 |
| 10:45 | erikos_ | silbe_: tomeu thanks |
| 10:45 | tch: I mean 1759 | |
| 10:45 | silbe_: tomeu 1823 can even go into 0.88 - as it does not touches code | |
| 10:46 | tomeu | sounds good |
| 10:46 | silbe_ | has it been rebased and cleaned up as requested? (17599) |
| 10:47 | erikos_: +1 on 1823 | |
| 10:47 | it's not perfect, but way better than what we have now | |
| 10:47 | erikos_ | silbe_: yeah, Daniel has been doing some work on 1759 |
| 10:48 | silbe_ | erikos_: ok, then no objection from me :) |
| 10:48 | erikos_ | silbe_: 1438 - can we have a milestone here? |
| 10:48 | tch | erikos: yeah, i think is important to have some feedback when something goes wrong while using 3g |
| 10:49 | erikos_ | tch: yeah, what is a bit pitty is that documentation will change :/ |
| 10:49 | one month after the release.... | |
| 10:50 | silbe_ | erikos_: let's make it 0.90 for now. Maybe 0.88.x later. |
| 10:50 | erikos_ | as much as I like to land it, I am somehow as well worried |
| 10:51 | tomeu: what do you think? | |
| 10:52 | tomeu | dunno, depends on how much are deployments interested |
| 10:52 | it could go in when OLPC makes a build with 0.88, for example | |
| 10:52 | silbe_ | erikos_: we should at least include the error showing stuff. |
| 10:52 | tomeu | so in 2 years :p |
| 10:53 | erikos_ | hehe |
| 10:53 | silbe_ | not sure about the design change - it makes sense to change is ASAP so people don't get used to the "bad" one, but the docs change is a good point. |
| 10:54 | erikos_ | I would even prefer to land it with an exception...because of the doc change |
| 10:54 | tomeu | so, am I right if I say that developers want to have their code in HEAD and are deployers who should request backports? |
| 10:54 | silbe_ | has anybody done documentation for the 3G stuff? |
| 10:54 | tch | erikos_: is it a big doc change? |
| 10:54 | erikos_ | silbe_: I would do today for the 0.88 page |
| 10:55 | tomeu | hmm, maybe we should add the documentation team coordinator to the jobs page in the wiki |
| 10:55 | erikos_ | tch: mainly here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Notes |
| 10:55 | walterbender | tomeu: good idea... someone to coordinate with the various deployments |
| 10:55 | erikos_ | tomeu: yeah, that would be a highly regarded position |
| 10:56 | tomeu | added to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/V[…]mporary_caretaker |
| 10:56 | silbe_ | tomeu: deployers should get a say what gets actually backported, but I'd prefer not relying on them to actively request backports. |
| 10:56 | walterbender | tomeu: it would be nice to know what sorts of materials could be produced by an individual that would be of the most use to deployments... |
| 10:56 | tomeu | walterbender: well, we already have the deployment team vacancy |
| 10:56 | walterbender | will put the thumb screws to Rafael. |
| 10:56 | tomeu | I guess the documentation work could be included in the deployment team, or have its own team |
| 10:57 | whatever works better for the people who will do the actual work | |
| 10:58 | silbe_: maybe you are thinking about a particular kind of bugs that can be backported without their participation? | |
| 10:58 | such as security bugs, data loss, etc | |
| 10:59 | silbe_ | tomeu: sounds good |
| 10:59 | stuff like the data store bugs I've discovered recently | |
| 10:59 | tomeu | yeah, that makes sense |
| 10:59 | 3 minutes to go | |
| 11:00 | silbe_ | (and that still need test cases as the test suite didn't notice them0 |
| 11:00 | tomeu | erikos_: are you done? |
| 11:00 | silbe_: when will you push the test suite? | |
| 11:00 | erikos_ | ok, how do we move on with http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1759 ? |
| 11:00 | silbe_ | ok, what about the exceptions then? |
| 11:00 | erikos_ | Daniel_C: around? |
| 11:00 | silbe_ | tomeu: see above, 0.90 |
| 11:00 | tomeu | erikos_: I would say to push it to 0.90, then backport if people actually ask for it |
| 11:02 | silbe_ | tomeu: why? |
| 11:02 | Daniel_C | i am here, is ok for my. I think that Paraguay and Uruguay will need it in a short time |
| 11:02 | tomeu | silbe_: because I hadn't heard anybody pushing for it |
| 11:02 | tch | erikos_: i think it worth it to add it asap |
| 11:02 | tomeu | now, after what Daniel_C said, we could push it for 0.88.1 |
| 11:03 | erikos_ | tomeu: and tch ;p |
| 11:03 | tomeu | Daniel_C, tch: you want it backported to 0.84, right? |
| 11:03 | tch | i did it already with bernie, |
| 11:03 | until the last patch included in the head, | |
| 11:04 | erikos_ | tch: the 3G Feature including 1759? |
| 11:04 | tch | no, only what have been "upstreamed"? |
| 11:04 | erikos_ | ok, that is good policy |
| 11:05 | s/policy/habbit | |
| 11:05 | tch | i would backport 1759 also ;) |
| 11:05 | Daniel_C | tch: Do you think that ticket 1759 is necesary? |
| 11:05 | tch | soon as it is upstream |
| 11:06 | silbe_ | so do we agree 1759 should go into 0.88.1? at least the error showing part? |
| 11:06 | tch | tch: i know it is |
| 11:06 | Daniel_C: ^ | |
| 11:07 | tomeu | needs to go for a while |
| 11:08 | Daniel_C | silbe_: so, we agree |
| 11:08 | erikos_ | ok, let's decide and finish here |
| 11:08 | silbe_ | erikos_: when do we decide about the exceptions? |
| 11:08 | erikos_ | silbe_: for 0.88.1? |
| 11:08 | silbe_ | erikos_: no, for 0.88 |
| 11:09 | erikos_ | silbe_: are there some open? |
| 11:09 | silbe_ | erikos_: the data store migration fix? |
| 11:09 | 0.82 -> 0.86/0.88 | |
| 11:09 | erikos_ | silbe_: was agreed on the ml |
| 11:09 | silbe_: got +1'ed | |
| 11:09 | silbe_ | erikos_: ah, ok, must have been today. |
| 11:10 | erikos_ | silbe_: right, today |
| 11:10 | silbe_ | erikos_: ok, then I'm done for today. We should discuss review handling at a future meeting. |
| 11:10 | erikos_ | silbe_: fine with me |
| 11:11 | tomeu: I guess you can close the meeting then | |
| 11:11 | tomeu | #endmeeting |