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#sugar-meeting, 2009-11-03

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10:03 SeanDaly meetbot back in full effect
10:03 anyone else around? shall we start?
10:03 walterbender is in California I think
10:04 we can move quickly if it's just us, but I need to share some news
10:04 walterbender SeanDaly: at a Qt meeting... spreading the good word
10:05 SeanDaly greets walterbender pleased to see you :-)
10:05 walterbender had to be up at 5am anyway for a meeting with a group from SL Pakistan :)
10:06 SeanDaly OK first off, just wanted to say that with walterbender's help I contacted the ICDL (International Children's Digital Library)
10:06 about possibly partnering with us for the Blueberry launch. No reply yet but I'm sure they are thinking about it, will ping them.
10:07 I very much like the idea of eBooks as a multi-language effort;
10:07 great to have a large quantity, but if most or nearly all books are in English, not so great
10:08 sdziallas SeanDaly: I included Alice's Adventures in Wonderland in the most recent snapshot, but it currently fails to load. We'll see what's going on there.
10:08 SeanDaly sdziallas: is it in EPUB?
10:08 sdziallas SeanDaly: yup!
10:08 SeanDaly: saving some space, heh ;)
10:08 SeanDaly still has a learning curve with finding & loading eBooks
10:08 sdziallas SeanDaly: just grabbed it from gutenberg.org...
10:08 SeanDaly yes good to save space :-)
10:10 re Blueberry launch, no word back yet from Netbook World organizers if OLPC France/SL can do a presentation there, hoping for response very shortly.
10:10 that would be Dec. 8th which I feel gives us enough time to do the launch properly
10:10 sdziallas SeanDaly: yeah... would be good if they got a bit moving.
10:10 nods
10:10 SeanDaly: actually, remind me of the URL again...
10:11 SeanDaly http://www.netbookworldsummit.org/
10:11 sdziallas SeanDaly: Thomas Canniot... I think this guy is somewhere involved into Fedora.
10:12 SeanDaly sdziallas: any way to check?
10:12 sdziallas SeanDaly: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasCanniot
10:12 was right :)
10:13 SeanDaly wow very interesting, i will ask Bastien if Thomas is his contact
10:13 any other urgent Blueberry stuff?
10:14 JT4sugar walterbender, I think it might be a good idea to have a collaboration between ICDL and Purdue Writing Lab (OWL jr. concept-Online Writing Lab) to push your "Writing to Read" ideas.
10:14 SeanDaly Aside from the obvious: that we need a solution to the sugaronastick.com situation
10:14 sdziallas SeanDaly: got disconnected, sorry.
10:14 SeanDaly: I guess it would be good to get the website thing off the ground, soon.
10:15 SeanDaly: yes... :/
10:15 SeanDaly sdziallas: yes I saw, didn't speak til you got back
10:15 sdziallas SeanDaly: thanks! :)
10:15 SeanDaly: (re website: because I'd think it will take a few days to get content and design arranged properly)
10:16 JT4sugar sdziallas, website thing?
10:16 SeanDaly JT4sugar: we want to call out Sugar on a Stick on the homepage
10:16 JT4sugar SeanDaly, Download button?
10:17 sdziallas JT4sugar: yeah. because the wiki tends to be... probably not that much end-user appealing.
10:17 SeanDaly Yes a very nice pancake button is on the wiki download page
10:17 walterbender I have heard from many people that they find it too difficult to create LiveUSB keys...
10:18 JT4sugar sdziallas, Very true for non-tech individuals
10:18 sdziallas walterbender: we'll get this done easier!
10:18 SeanDaly walterbender: does not surprise me
10:18 sdziallas walterbender: ...for the cost of hosting more images.
10:18 walterbender maybe we need to promote the pre-burned sticks more??
10:18 sdziallas walterbender, SeanDaly: I was discussing with mtd how to make it easier... we still need to draft stuff up, but we should be able to make the whole process generally easier.
10:19 walterbender: would it be worth talking to Karlie for that? not sure...
10:19 SeanDaly walterbender: preloaded like ondisk.com?
10:19 always good to propose a choice of ways to get it
10:19 sdziallas *nod*
10:19 SeanDaly gives a solution if home-loading gets stuck
10:20 walterbender all of the above sound good
10:20 SeanDaly actually this could be connected to the branded USB stick issue;
10:20 sdziallas notes that Karlie was offering to share revenue with SL, if we were interested (I guess if we aren't, that's fine, either)
10:20 SeanDaly karlie had mentioned in the past several options for placing stickers on cards/sticks
10:21 some kind of 3D bumpy sticker, or classic flat stickers
10:21 walterbender will place a new moo card/sticker order when I am back from my trip.
10:21 sdziallas :)
10:22 SeanDaly re revenue: could be interesting... but might fit better with our positioning if "offered at cost" (good PR for ondisk too)
10:22 sdziallas nods
10:22 SeanDaly also, some people pay for something and expect service & support; easier to show is still a test version if offered at cost
10:23 but i don't feel strongly; revenue could be a good approach too
10:23 sdziallas SeanDaly: actually, this was what we did for the second G1G1, where people could buy a (really good) SD card through ondisk and amazon (both was handled by Karlie)
10:23 JT4sugar Maybe we should set up shop and sell sticks(deal with sandisk and belkin offering all builds-reinvest revenue into Sugar Labs) This Holiday season there seems to be no reason for Sugar Labs not to benefit while all those kids with free access to books. Charge a dollar over cost with donation button for more. They want support then join the community
10:23 SeanDaly sdziallas: was for fedora? don't remember
10:23 sdziallas SeanDaly: will get you a link! ;)
10:24 JT4sugar: you're right... would prolly be a good thing.
10:24 SeanDaly JT4sugar: I myself don't have the bandwidth to negotiate such a deal; do you want to explore that avenue?
10:25 sdziallas SeanDaly: http://www.amazon.com/Fedora-C[…]top/dp/B001L7EGA6
10:25 notes that it would great to have something like that running, but that we'd need to get that rolling sooon.
10:25 SeanDaly actually there is something I remember, Karlie offered beta-1 of SoaS on SD Card and i didn't like the product copy or branding; would be great if we coould work on that with her
10:26 sdziallas JT4sugar: for the Fedora Card linked above, we were using the SanDisk Extreme III card... it performed great. Not sure of an USB equivalent, though.
10:26 sounds like we've got some e-mails to shoot out? ;)
10:27 SeanDaly sdziallas: I have reliably used SanDisk Extreme IIs and IIIs (Compact Flash) on my high-end audio recorder, have always performed flawlessly
10:27 JT4sugar sdziallas, If we approached Sandisk I think I would ask them who the USB partner should be-Maybe new line for them
10:27 sdziallas SeanDaly: yes, they're great :)
10:28 JT4sugar: *nod*
10:28 SeanDaly JT4sugar: perhaps they have CSR (Corporate Social Responsibility) group, or foundation?
10:28 I had approached Pantone about branded colored sticks, but did not follow up; I'll try to follow up with them too
10:28 if they are still doing sticks
10:29 on the subject of branded sticks: I really like the idea of stickers
10:29 for several reasons
10:29 sdziallas SeanDaly: if we launched SoaS on Dec 8, it would be quite great timing for the season, no?
10:29 goes back to listening
10:29 SeanDaly 1. much cheaper
10:29 sdziallas: yes, quite ;-)
10:30 2. OK if less professional than preprinted sticks; no confusion about "product"; homemade aspect to it
10:30 3. flexibility, stick on anything
10:31 4. easy to have logo in many colors (part of SL branding), even if our communications should have a Blueberry color to it this time
10:31 5. sourced from different suppliers possible
10:31 Also, as a reminder i want to ping Gary about a "sugar boots" sticker
10:32 the idea being to stick one on every netbook which boots Blueberry
10:32 sdziallas :)
10:32 SeanDaly and ideally, film the boot for a viral Dailymotion channel video
10:32 sdziallas yay!
10:32 SeanDaly anyone who wees a dozen videos listed gets the picture: Sugar on a Stick will boot for you, too
10:33 s/wees/sees (!)
10:33 OK any more Blueberry stuff? I want to talk about OLPC
10:34 sdziallas *nod* ...I think we're good. we should revisit this next week quite a bit, I guess, though.
10:34 SeanDaly for info, I was thrown for a loop by Nicolas' interview in Xconomy
10:34 sdziallas SeanDaly: not trying to dictate your agenda, though :)
10:34 SeanDaly sdziallas: yes for sure, launch approaching
10:34 JT4sugar SeanDaly,  I like Sugar Boots because it indicates that you can boot on anything but the phrase "I've been Sugarized" allows for the next level of conversation about the Sugar Learning Platform(Collaboration, Sharing, Journal) allows student to talk about cool things Sugar allows you to do
10:34 SeanDaly JT4sugar: agree - let's do that too
10:35 sdziallas notes that he sees Karlie at the moment in a Fedora channel and lets Sean do OLPC stuff now
10:35 SeanDaly JT4sugar: if Gary hasn't had time to work on the first perhaps he would do both
10:35 OK re OLPC,
10:35 JT4sugar SeanDaly, That would be great-if you can him him with both
10:36 SeanDaly Nicolas communicated very important news which is 100% sure to be slashdotted
10:36 liliputing has it already, others to follow in the next couple of days
10:36 tomeu http://hardware.slashdot.org/s[…]e-Design-For-XO-3
10:36 carlo_f ciao all
10:36 sdziallas ciao!
10:36 tomeu (from your humble slasbot)
10:36 SeanDaly greets carlo_f
10:36 tomeu hi carlo_f!
10:37 SeanDaly tomeu: soon I can set up a tent and offer crystal-ball service
10:37 tomeu not sure that was too much of a guess ;)
10:38 SeanDaly unfortunately OLPC message just got more complicated...
10:38 tomeu: :D :D
10:38 walterbender It was great to hear that he is waking up to the fact that the 2.0 design was flawed...
10:38 cjb I see this is one of the days where I wake up and say "wait, Nicholas said what?" :)
10:38 walterbender but I am not sure what 1.75 refers to...
10:39 SeanDaly walterbender: my understanding was "XO-1 form factor with ARM not VIA"
10:39 walterbender and 3.0 is presumably a reference back to some of the ideas we explored before Fuse Project's involvement... some of the Design Continuum ideas
10:39 tomeu cjb: it's all good news, from my POV. other than the sugar-as-an-application crap
10:39 walterbender Paperlike displays will be more reasonable in a few years.
10:40 tomeu cjb: has anybody from the techteam talked with him about that?
10:40 SeanDaly walterbender: he wants to keep XO-2 as a stillborn idea I guess?
10:40 walterbender I guess
10:40 SeanDaly anyway I just wanted to say that the incredible news from Peru is incredible
10:41 Chuck has agreed to consider joint OLPC-SL PR on peru's decision
10:41 walterbender SeanDaly: exactly. we should be focusing on the reality of OLPC 1.5, not the dream of 3.0
10:41 SeanDaly walterbender: yes, exactly
10:41 but, this new development obliges us to clarify a little bit what's going on
10:42 i want to express the great news that Sugar v0.86 will go out in hundreds of thousands of XOs
10:42 walterbender SeanDaly: why isn't the message simply that we are working closely with OLPC on 1.5 and would of course work with them on 3.0 when it beta machines become available
10:42 ^it^if :)
10:42 SeanDaly walterbender: yes
10:43 JT4sugar I think we need to understand that he is really pushing a vision-he in essence said as much-I'm not sure we are going to get a message. So the joint PR should involve book access and then Spotlight Sugar upgrades for XO in field and on XO 1.5
10:44 walterbender JT4sugar: is the he you are referring to Nicholas?
10:44 SeanDaly JT4sugar: for sure... but people will be curious about a roadmap; what is difference between XO-1.5 and XO-1.75 for example
10:44 JT4sugar walterbender, yes
10:45 walterbender JT4sugar: I think we want to focus on Chuck and the Association, not Nicholas and the Foundation at this particular juncture.
10:45 SeanDaly I would have suggested 1.8 instead of 1.75 ;-) shorter is better
10:45 walterbender: fully agree - a good occasion to communicate the difference
10:45 walterbender Chuck is delivering real hardware to real kids
10:45 sdziallas SeanDaly: no XO-3,14159265?
10:46 walterbender Nicholas is spreading the meme
10:46 SeanDaly walterbender: yes I had worked from talking points I prepared just before the Inquirer.net interview in that vein
10:46 walterbender XO-e (natural log)
10:46 sdziallas walterbender: LOL!
10:46 SeanDaly sdziallas: :D
10:46 "XO-Pi"
10:46 JT4sugar walterbender, +1
10:47 SeanDaly XO-3i (imaginary number)
10:47 cjb walterbender: the codename for 1.75 is "Zeno"
10:48 SeanDaly For the PR: I haven't prepared a draft yet, but if we can agree on the draft soon, Chuck and Walter can greenlight it
10:48 walterbender cjb: when are beta machines available?
10:49 SeanDaly this flurry of news about OLPC and Sugar Labs will help Blueberry launch
10:49 cjb walterbender: we're getting 1.5 finished first; I'd say at least four months away
10:49 walterbender SeanDaly: I need to run in a minute... anything else you need me for?
10:50 SeanDaly cjb: laid hands on my first B2 (Lionel's)... sweet
10:50 walterbender cjb: good to know. looking forward to it.
10:50 sdziallas walterbender: put a quick cloudberry vote in, that is ;)
10:50 SeanDaly walterbender: Just the matter of a name for the next Sugar on a STick :-)
10:50 walterbender sdziallas: you know my vote is yes.
10:50 SeanDaly I heard Cloudberry and I love the name
10:50 has that unexpected effluvience so important in marketing
10:51 sdziallas :)
10:51 SeanDaly and Cloud very buzzful buzzword ;-)
10:52 sdziallas nods... SeanDaly: I'd like to make that the focus of SoaS v3, but we'll see.
10:52 SeanDaly Are we able to say Cloudberry it is? last time there was looooong discussion about the flavor name
10:52 walterbender it is a lovely shade of orange
10:52 fwiw
10:53 sdziallas walterbender, SeanDaly: maybe we should look which Sugar logo to use?
10:53 SeanDaly: I'd say... let's GO for it :)
10:53 walterbender gotta head downstairs... I will hopefully be back on-line in a few minutes
10:53 SeanDaly my invite mentioning this on the agenda only went out today. So if someone just absolutely prefers another flavor....
10:54 JT4sugar If we had deals to back up student journals into the "Cloud" it would really be a worthy name
10:54 SeanDaly http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo
10:54 the orangiest one we used for Strawberry already
10:54 sdziallas JT4sugar: yes, definitely!
10:55 SeanDaly: I'd guess either that:
10:55 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]Logo_white_10.png
10:55 or that, no?
10:55 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]Logo_white_09.png
10:56 SeanDaly sdziallas: yes, one or other could work
10:56 especially since Gary had mentioned desire in the past for a greenish Gooseberry ;-)
10:56 walterbender we could ask Christian for new colors for Cloudberry... plenty of time
10:56 sdziallas SeanDaly: I like the first one more, but that's personal preference, because I feel the blue fits better.
10:56 walterbender: oh, yeah, right!
10:57 SeanDaly yes although Christian said last time I asked that these combos had been very specially selected ;-)
10:57 I need to run now myself
10:58 for Cloudberry why don't we post idea to the marketing and soas lists
10:58 sdziallas SeanDaly: +1!
10:59 SeanDaly But I think I would need lots of convincing to do a different name for v3 :-)
10:59 any other topics to discuss today?
10:59 JT4sugar On OLPC-SL joint PR: The key message for Sugar Labs seems to be "Sugar's on Board on all XO builds and just keeps getting better" and by the way did we mention the access to over a million free books
11:00 SeanDaly JT4sugar: yes and there are other topics I want to get in: "following Uruguay's recent distribution to every student...."
11:01 re Cloudberry: there could be a cloud on the horizon though: http://www.cloudberrylab.com/d[…]ge=explorer-azure
11:02 ok end of meeting going once...
11:03 going twice...
11:04 #endmeeting

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