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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 10:07 | subzero | hi guys |
| 10:07 | iwikiwi | hey |
| 10:07 | subzero | good morning |
| 10:08 | homunq | roll call: aa bemasc homunq iwikiwi (mchua) subzero silbe walterbender |
| 10:08 | silbe | is there |
| 10:08 | mchua | waves |
| 10:08 | walterbender | here |
| 10:08 | iwikiwi | is here |
| 10:08 | homunq | subzero: Bryan is going to get on a plane in like 3 minutes and his internet is stuttering. |
| 10:08 | walterbender | lucian has been on/off line as he is moving |
| 10:08 | subzero | homunq: thanks, it's good to know it |
| 10:09 | homunq | We need to set up another meeting to talk about final evals, student attendance is welcome but not necessary |
| 10:09 | mentor attendance is | |
| 10:10 | I have friends visiting and wanted to go to the beach in the nat park starting thurs, but I can drive back to some outpost of civilization on Friday if necessary... | |
| 10:11 | since Bryan is going to be on a plane for the next 35 hours, tomorrow is out, so I think Friday is best | |
| 10:11 | I personally would prefer the UTC an hour from now - I forget if that's 1500 or 1600 atm. | |
| 10:11 | how is that for the other mentors? | |
| 10:12 | walterbender | homunq: you mean today? |
| 10:12 | homunq: Fri. won't work for me :( | |
| 10:12 | homunq | walterbender: no, I mean, Friday |
| 10:13 | bemasc | homunq: http://doodle.com/ if you care. |
| 10:13 | homunq | hmmm... OK, I can do Saturday too... it really should be sometime before next monday. On monday at this time is I guess OK, but cutting it really really tight if we have a no-show or something. |
| 10:14 | walterbender | homunq: Saturday? Monday won't work for me either. |
| 10:14 | homunq: why not today? just w/o Bryan? | |
| 10:16 | homunq | walterbender: OK, let's see what we can get done |
| 10:17 | So, let's start with aa and iwikiwi. | |
| 10:17 | iwikiwi | hi |
| 10:17 | homunq | keep it brief please, we have a lot to cover |
| 10:17 | link and status | |
| 10:18 | iwikiwi | well, I posted the bundles on the mls |
| 10:18 | along with a list of bugs | |
| 10:18 | current bugs | |
| 10:18 | plus, readmes | |
| 10:18 | one bug has been rather problematic | |
| 10:19 | its still not clear whether its api related or not | |
| 10:19 | setting the page ranges that is | |
| 10:19 | homunq | aa: are you here? |
| 10:20 | iwikiwi | mozilla makes use of the same newer gtkunixprint api, and it works, i've been fighting with the mozilla code off and then. But sessions with daveb said, there are still a few bugs, so focusing on them atm |
| 10:20 | homunq | iwikiwi: should we move on while you go get us the links? |
| 10:21 | iwikiwi | homunq, http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ugust/018173.html |
| 10:21 | homunq, I hadnt written a blog post relating this yet | |
| 10:22 | homunq | OK, aa is not here I guess |
| 10:22 | moving on to silbe homunq versions... | |
| 10:22 | silbe? | |
| 10:23 | silbe | my prefix support patch that i've been using as a test balloon for the review process has been accepted after about 5 rounds of review |
| 10:24 | i'm now working on rebasing my version support work in somewhat small, easy to review pieces on top of current "upstream" | |
| 10:24 | homunq | <silbe> homunq: not sure. there's nothing on my mind that we can't talk about during the meeting. i'm currently trying to get as much of my changes upstream before the feature freeze on thursday. |
| 10:24 | [08:15] <silbe> homunq: there's no decision yet on whether to include version support in 0.86 or not, tomeu wants the deployers (=> sugar-devel) to make that choice. i haven't sent the mail yet because i wanted to rebase my stuff first so people can try it out. | |
| 10:24 | (sorry silbe, just reposting to save you typing) | |
| 10:24 | silbe | saves me some more typing :) |
| 10:25 | i'm going to do the screencast after i finish the rebasing. sdziallas has volunteered to do a custom SoaS build for me as well. | |
| 10:26 | homunq | OK. It is clear to me that you will pass GSoC. |
| 10:26 | silbe | homunq: thanks :-| |
| 10:26 | sdziallas | silbe: yup, I've :) just get me the kickstart files... |
| 10:26 | homunq | good job! why the pipey face? |
| 10:27 | I will do the final eval on Sunday. | |
| 10:27 | silbe: can you be online on Sunday? | |
| 10:27 | silbe | i'll need to figure out how to prepare the tarball/whatever to send to google as i've been doing some branch surgery inside the repo (=> not all intermediate revisions are referenced by a branch) |
| 10:28 | homunq: re. the pipey face: i haven't been able to spend as much time on as i'd planned. | |
| 10:29 | sdziallas: i'd hoped you could do the kickstart files for me - that's exactly what i can't provide without diving into Fedora tools, which i don't have time to do before thursday. | |
| 10:29 | sdziallas | silbe: than just tell me what you need :) |
| 10:29 | homunq | OK, yeah, I understand that. You could have done more, but there's no question you've created value. I have been less of a mentor than I'd planned, too. |
| 10:29 | sdziallas | silbe: doesn't need to be now. at some point is fine. |
| 10:29 | silbe | homunq: not sure about sunday, we're meeting relatives on the weekend :-/ |
| 10:30 | homunq | silbe: OK. I guess actually I mean monday morning from your perspective :) |
| 10:30 | silbe | sdziallas: i just need sugar, sugar-toolkit and sugar-datastore to be pulled from my branch instead of mainline, no other change. |
| 10:30 | homunq: that sounds better :) | |
| 10:30 | sdziallas | silbe: uh :/ |
| 10:31 | homunq | OK, we'll be talking then. |
| 10:31 | silbe | homunq: what time roughly? |
| 10:32 | sdziallas | silbe: I'll need to rebuild the rpms then... |
| 10:32 | silbe | sdziallas: yep. one of the parts i can't do (yet)... |
| 10:32 | homunq | silbe: um, I can stay up until about 3 here, that's 9am UTC I think. |
| 10:33 | next, walterbender and lucian | |
| 10:33 | silbe | homunq: that means 11am for me. quite early (sorry), but no problem (i'll just be a bit sleepy) |
| 10:34 | homunq | meant until the 0900 to 0959 hour. |
| 10:34 | walterbender: have you gotten a recent progress report? | |
| 10:35 | walterbender | homunq: I got a progress report yesterday afternoon |
| 10:35 | homunq | link? |
| 10:35 | walterbender | (should have kept a copy to paste) |
| 10:35 | It was in IRC | |
| 10:35 | homunq | ok |
| 10:35 | walterbender | Basically, webify is finished. |
| 10:36 | homunq | lucian: just in time |
| 10:36 | walterbender | ah. Lucian is here just in time |
| 10:36 | homunq | we were just starting with you |
| 10:36 | and walterbender | |
| 10:36 | walterbender | lucian I was about to repeat what you told me yesterday |
| 10:36 | lucian | sorry about this, somehow my reminder didn't trigger |
| 10:36 | homunq | welcome, go ahead. |
| 10:37 | lucian | in the past week i've been busy moving, very annoying |
| 10:37 | i did get time to finish a prototype of the 'keep offline copy' patch | |
| 10:37 | the GUI needs work, but it works rather well | |
| 10:38 | walterbender | lucian: can you give a summary of the status of the entire project? |
| 10:38 | lucian | walterbender: sure. so far i've implemented support for bookmarklets, userscripts & userstyles |
| 10:39 | all of these can help integrate a web app into sugar more nicely | |
| 10:39 | silbe | lucian: can you remind me what a bookmarklet is in a few words? |
| 10:39 | lucian | i'll need to rebase my work on a newer browse commit (i cloned browse before the tabbed gui work) |
| 10:40 | silbe: small pieces of javascript that can get executed when you click a button. like 'compose' for gmail | |
| 10:40 | they live on a separate toolbar in Browse | |
| 10:40 | homunq | lucian: thinking of your total goals for the project at the start, what portion do you think is done? |
| 10:40 | lucian | homunq: pretty much 100% |
| 10:41 | almost, because of the dependency on upstream work for Gears | |
| 10:41 | but i did get to implement creating SSBs, customising them and keeping pages offline | |
| 10:41 | homunq | walterbender: are you ready to have your eval done in time (1700 UTC monday is Final Hour)? |
| 10:41 | walterbender | homunq: sure |
| 10:42 | bemasc | lucian: can you open random zip files now? |
| 10:42 | homunq | walterbender: what do you want to tell lucian about that? |
| 10:42 | lucian | bemasc: yes, i just unzip them and point browse to that path |
| 10:42 | bemasc | lucian: oh, why not just use jar:? |
| 10:43 | lucian | bemasc: because it doesn't really work, at least not all the time |
| 10:43 | bemasc | oh well |
| 10:43 | walterbender | homunq: I don't understand the question |
| 10:43 | lucian | bemasc: there have been some security issues with jar:, so it has bad restrictions |
| 10:43 | bemasc | hmmph |
| 10:43 | lucian | bemasc: same-domain and a certain mime-type |
| 10:44 | bemasc: there is the small issue of cleaning up after which is left open, though :) | |
| 10:44 | homunq | walterbender: I mean, how do you think your evaluation will be? is there anything Lucian can do now to help you or to improve the eval? |
| 10:46 | walterbender | homunq: lucian did a great job this summer |
| 10:46 | homunq: he was also helping out on other projects... | |
| 10:46 | homunq: no complaints :) | |
| 10:47 | homunq | is thinking that a mentor meeting on Saturday at 1500 UTC would still be worth the drive for me, if other people can make it |
| 10:47 | walterbender | I can attend. |
| 10:48 | homunq | OK, move on |
| 10:49 | subzero: you're on | |
| 10:49 | subzero | ok, here is the last stable version of adding up activity: http://karma.sugarlabs.org/kar[…]10_2/lesson3.html |
| 10:49 | homunq | Bryan said "[09:03] <BryanWB> homunq: subzero has a very basic karma activity working." |
| 10:50 | which sounds basically positive. | |
| 10:50 | subzero: any loose ends which you are working on finishing this week? | |
| 10:51 | walterbender | bemasc: I don't see anything in the queue on ASLO |
| 10:52 | bemasc | walterbender: weird. I must have screwed something up. |
| 10:52 | subzero_ | sorry, my internet... |
| 10:52 | iwikiwi | <homunq> subzero: any loose ends which you are working on finishing this week? |
| 10:53 | subzero_ | yeah, the animation part |
| 10:53 | also, there is one problem with the audio | |
| 10:54 | after some "corrects" / "incorrects" it fails (overlapping) | |
| 10:54 | homunq | subzero_: and you can finish both of those this week? Or do you think it would be better to just spend time documenting what you have? |
| 10:54 | subzero_ | and there is a security issue when loading audio when the document is loaded from file:// and not http:// |
| 10:55 | I'm doing audio, but animation will be hard | |
| 10:55 | homunq | bemasc: how about you? you and subzero_ can talk over each other for a minute, sorry, trying to get in under time. |
| 10:55 | bemasc | ok. |
| 10:55 | subzero_ | ok |
| 10:56 | bemasc | I spent the last week writing up documentation for Groupthink. It's available at |
| 10:56 | http://bemasc.net/~bens/groupthink/ | |
| 10:56 | Strictly speaking, this GSoC was about the shared text stuff, which is http://bemasc.net/~bens/groupt[…]ngTree-class.html | |
| 10:57 | homunq | subzero_: You need to have your submission to google complete by 1700 utc monday. I'd definitely suggest freezing new development, regardless of remaining bugs, sometime within the next couple of days |
| 10:57 | bemasc | I already said last week that Pippy 35 has been released with shared editing built in based on Groupthink. |
| 10:57 | silbe | homunq: i'd thought that was yesterday 17 UTC? |
| 10:57 | bemasc | I sent an announcement to the Telepathy list too; maybe someone there will try it out. Anyway, I'm done. |
| 10:57 | subzero_ | homunq: ok, I'm working around the audio overlapping bug |
| 10:58 | homunq | silbe: that is Google's suggestion, not absolutely firm. |
| 10:58 | bemasc | My only concern is: who is going to write my evaluation? |
| 10:58 | homunq | bemasc: good question. |
| 10:58 | walterbender | bemasc: in a pinch, I can do it |
| 10:58 | silbe | homunq: ah, ok! great, then my upstream merge work will be included as well. not that it matters anyway. :) |
| 10:58 | homunq | the absolute drop-dead date is this coming monday. |
| 10:59 | subzero_ | homunq: silbe: good to know it |
| 10:59 | homunq | scorche: I know that you volunteered as a mentor, are you here? |
| 10:59 | bemasc | walterbender: can you? I'm not even sure what the rules are. |
| 10:59 | iwikiwi | homunq, btw, what all things should the documentation consist of? "where, what and how to use" and code documentation as well? does the code doc have to be written as docstrings or can i put a page discussing them on the wiki? |
| 11:00 | homunq | bemasc: yes, he can. |
| 11:00 | iwikiwi: docstrings preferred. | |
| 11:00 | bemasc | homunq: for an Activity? |
| 11:01 | homunq | iwikiwi: everything counts, but consider how it is most useful and accessible for future developers building on what you've done. |
| 11:02 | bemasc: um, what difference does Activity or Glucose make? | |
| 11:02 | iwikiwi | homunq, okay, right. btw, I just cant seem to get an XS development set up. And there seems to be a bug in the authentication, aa doesnt have a dev for XS set up either. |
| 11:02 | bemasc | homunq: I was thinking of user documentation, I guess. Anyway, don't let me interrupt. |
| 11:03 | subzero_ | bemasc: I thought of developer documentation |
| 11:03 | homunq | bemasc: ah, I had crossed threads for you. Yeah, iwikiwi, user docs should be on the web of course. |
| 11:05 | bemasc: for your mentor issue: I think it's time to switch your mentors. Basically, anyone's eligible. walterbender is fine, but if you can think of someone else so that walterbender is not doing two... | |
| 11:05 | bemasc | homunq: I'll leave the headhunting to you. |
| 11:05 | silbe | iwikiwi: you might get admin rights on schools.sugarlabs.org. see the chat log for #sugar and talk to caroline and daveb. |
| 11:05 | bemasc | presumably it has to be someone who's somehow "registered"? |
| 11:06 | homunq | nah, we can register someone starting now. |
| 11:06 | bemasc | ok |
| 11:06 | iwikiwi | silbe, that would be great. |
| 11:07 | homunq | bemasc: is there anybody who's been giving good comments on your stuff, is up on what you've done? |
| 11:08 | bemasc | I think the only person who's really looked at it is m_stone. |
| 11:08 | homunq | m_stone: ping, do you think you could be the official GSoC mentor for bemasc? |
| 11:09 | I will follow up on this. | |
| 11:09 | bemasc | homunq: it may be that assimd is willing to do it, though I haven't spoken to him very recently. |
| 11:09 | walterbender | (I've played with it quite a bit, but I haven't dug into the code) |
| 11:10 | homunq | bemasc: that is the issue. I will give assimd a chance, but it is time to have a replacement lined up in case he doesn't respond fast enough. |
| 11:10 | bemasc | ok |
| 11:10 | homunq | I will follow up on this issue in both directions. |
| 11:10 | bemasc | thank you |
| 11:11 | homunq | I will also try to wrangle all the mentors to a meeting Friday 1500 UTC. |
| 11:11 | I mean, Saturday, sorry. | |
| 11:11 | and that's I think it for now. Anybody have anything to add? | |
| 11:11 | 10...9... | |
| 11:12 | #endmeeting |
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