Time |
Nick |
Message |
10:39 |
silbe |
order is the same as on the wiki page |
10:39 |
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#topic Webified: Lucian, Walter |
10:39 |
walterbender |
lucian and I are comparing notes on the latest version of Webified... |
10:40 |
lucian |
yes. bookmarklets almost work |
10:40 |
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i'm actually thinking of putting them in their own bar and making them available to Browse |
10:40 |
walterbender |
lucian: http://pastebin.be/19352 |
10:41 |
lucian |
walterbender: it looks alright, it should work. i'll have a look at the bookmarklet reader |
10:41 |
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i've been working on a workaround for getting Gears to work properly |
10:42 |
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i fumbled about a lot, but i think i know what to do now |
10:42 |
bemasc |
that's great news! |
10:42 |
silbe |
lucian: ok, so i guess you'll continue working on that. is there anything you need help with to keep going? |
10:43 |
lucian |
not really, at least i can't think of anything right now |
10:43 |
walterbender |
we have some general issues to sort out about bookmarks above and beyond lucian project |
10:43 |
silbe |
lucian: and have you got anything that can be tried out? |
10:43 |
walterbender |
silbe: git clone webified and try it |
10:43 |
lucian |
silbe: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/webified |
10:43 |
silbe |
ok, good. :) |
10:44 |
lucian |
i'll probably switch from .ini files to the Browse model for storing Bookmarklets |
10:44 |
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but in general, things are going quite well |
10:45 |
silbe |
lucian: ok, so despite needing to sort out the what-kind-of-bookmarks-do-we-want you can still continue working? |
10:45 |
lucian |
silbe: i'll stick to storing bookmarks in the activity preferences for now |
10:46 |
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it can be easily changed later, i want to get the UI and storage sorted out |
10:46 |
silbe |
sounds good. anything left you want to tell us? |
10:46 |
lucian |
not really, just that i'm a bit excited because my SSBs are starting to act like SSBs :) |
10:46 |
walterbender |
lucian: one other issue to sort out at some point: I am uncomfortable that the customize toolbar starts off empty... |
10:47 |
lucian |
walterbender: that will change |
10:47 |
walterbender |
lucian: we can take that topic up later... |
10:47 |
silbe |
so you're even more motivated now? good :) |
10:47 |
lucian |
silbe: yep :) |
10:47 |
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walterbender: sure |
10:47 |
walterbender |
silbe: shall we go onto you? |
10:47 |
silbe |
#topic Version support for datastore: silbe |
10:48 |
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#link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/V[…]ogress#2009-06-16 |
10:48 |
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got a working prototype |
10:48 |
walterbender |
:) |
10:48 |
silbe |
it's not pretty, hasn't got branches, doesn't use a VCS backend, ... |
10:48 |
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but the basic user experience is there |
10:49 |
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you can choose old versions in the details page, change their metadata and resume them |
10:49 |
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otherwise it's invisible to the user |
10:49 |
walterbender |
silbe: how do we try it? |
10:50 |
silbe |
had to break API, but most activities should continue to work as-is |
10:50 |
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walterbender: you need to check out my branch of sugar, sugar-datastore and sugar-toolkit (links on the page i posted) |
10:50 |
walterbender |
silbe: saw the links... thanks. |
10:51 |
bemasc |
silbe: maybe you should mention the API break on sugar-devel, so we can have a detailed discussion. |
10:51 |
silbe |
just remove the current ones in sugar-jhbuild/source and use git clone to get mine |
10:51 |
bemasc |
silbe: (if you think that the API break will persist in your final version) |
10:51 |
silbe |
bemasc: i'm preparing for even more API breaking right now :) |
10:51 |
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will post (for discussion) once i decided on it |
10:52 |
walterbender |
silbe: you should post BEFORE you decide |
10:52 |
bemasc |
silbe: ok. good. |
10:52 |
silbe |
walterbender: decide on what i'm going to propose, not what i'm going to implement |
10:52 |
walterbender |
:) |
10:53 |
silbe |
ok, any question left? |
10:53 |
walterbender |
silbe: I'll try it after I get back from FOSSED tomorrow night |
10:53 |
silbe |
#topic Karma: felipe lopez toledo, bryan berry |
10:54 |
subzero |
I'm dealing with the canvas drawing funtion, it works fine with a common pc, but with the XO the performance is really bad |
10:54 |
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I found the problem is "clearing and redrawing" |
10:54 |
bemasc |
subzero: do you know about the difference between css pixels and device pixels? I think <canvas> has both, and they behave very differently. |
10:55 |
subzero |
bemasc: sorry, could you explain me? |
10:55 |
bemasc |
subzero: no, because I don't understand it myself. |
10:55 |
subzero |
bemasc: ok, I'll look fordward it |
10:55 |
silbe |
subzero: have you seen the posts (on sugar-devel and devel laptop IIRC) about the scaling stuff on the XO? 134DPI vs. 200DPI? |
10:55 |
lucian |
bemasc, subzero: i think CSS pixels are before DPI adjustments and device pixels are after |
10:56 |
subzero |
bemasc: I read about browse DPI problems |
10:56 |
bemasc |
lucian: presumably. I think canvas has accessor functions that speak both standards. |
10:57 |
subzero |
lucian: sounds logical |
10:57 |
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well, I have asked in #firefox but currently I don't have a solution |
10:57 |
silbe |
subzero: it might make sense to try out the technique explained in those posts to speed up drawing in Browse |
10:57 |
lucian |
subzero: all i could find right now was this http://bytes.com/groups/javasc[…]ixels-than-canvas |
10:58 |
silbe |
subzero: and maybe asking the author for pointers to documentation |
10:58 |
subzero |
silbe: agreed |
10:59 |
silbe |
ok, sorry to hurry, but IIRC there's another meeting scheduled in 5 minutes, so we should move on |
10:59 |
subzero |
silbe: what I have done is to optimize my code, but at this point css pixels or device pixels could be the solution |
11:00 |
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silbe: ok |
11:00 |
silbe |
subzero: optimizing your own code certainly will help as well :) |
11:00 |
subzero |
lucian, bemasc, silbe: thanks for your help |
11:00 |
silbe |
subzero: so you're ready to continue? or do you need anything else? |
11:00 |
subzero |
silbe: continue please |
11:00 |
silbe |
SeanDaly: sorry, will be a bit delayed, trying to hurry up |
11:01 |
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#topic print support: iwikiwi, aa |
11:01 |
iwikiwi |
aa is missing |
11:01 |
SeanDaly |
no sweat keep going |
11:01 |
iwikiwi |
well anyway, I've made the printerdeviceicon |
11:01 |
silbe |
IIRC you could talk to him yesterday? |
11:02 |
iwikiwi |
which performs well |
11:02 |
walterbender |
iwikiwi: following the progress... seems great |
11:02 |
silbe |
iwikiwi: can you give a quick outline what's currently working? |
11:02 |
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and how (i.e. what does the user need to do)? |
11:03 |
iwikiwi |
silbe: well, currently there is a way to convert odts to pdfs |
11:03 |
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and ofcourse directly print to printspooler |
11:03 |
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and, show those updates on the deviceicon |
11:04 |
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plus a way to cancel them |
11:04 |
silbe |
iwikiwi: small side question: do you output PDF/A-1 or full-featured PDF? i've recently discovered OOo can output the former now, which would be great to use (=> looks the same everywhere) |
11:05 |
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iwikiwi: how does a user achieve that? |
11:05 |
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print button in Write, resume with special print activity, ...? |
11:06 |
iwikiwi |
silbe: I am not sure i understand pdf/a-1 and full-featured pdf. But cups-pdf can do a fully featured pdf provided we have anything but abiword 2.6.8 |
11:06 |
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silbe: also, for the time being printing is possible only through the print activity |
11:06 |
silbe |
iwikiwi: PDF/A-1 is a subset of normal PDF that ensures the document will look the same everywhere. no javascript, no transparencies, ... |
11:07 |
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iwikiwi: so the user opens the entry with a print activity? or start up the print activity and use the object chooser? |
11:07 |
iwikiwi |
its the latter |
11:07 |
SeanDaly |
I believe PDF/A is an ISO standard too |
11:08 |
walterbender |
iwikiwi: any plans to do the former? |
11:08 |
silbe |
ok |
11:08 |
iwikiwi |
walterbender, actually im discussing with tomeu right now about it |
11:08 |
SeanDaly |
Hi JT_4sugar |
11:08 |
silbe |
SeanDaly: it is - used by large digital archives |
11:08 |
iwikiwi |
the plan right now is to deliver a fully featured printing scenario |
11:08 |
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I have two options: |
11:08 |
JT_4sugar |
Hello all |
11:09 |
silbe |
JT_4sugar: sorry, we're a bit delayed - gsoc meeting still running |
11:09 |
iwikiwi |
1) go with the printing libs provided within evince and abiword libs |
11:09 |
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2) go with the following approach: |
11:10 |
walterbender |
iwikiwi: wouldn |
11:10 |
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t it be a simple matter of mimetypes? |
11:11 |
JT_4sugar |
silbe, Quite alright |
11:11 |
iwikiwi |
export files from Write and Read, and connect those with gtkprint through the set source file method, and select gtk printing options. which also means use the code ive written already |
11:12 |
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walterbender: well, now that the filter exists, printing from print spooler odts isnt impossible |
11:12 |
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the odts* |
11:12 |
silbe |
iwikiwi: i'd suggest moving that topic over to #sugar so we can discuss it at length |
11:12 |
iwikiwi |
right |
11:13 |
silbe |
iwikiwi: anything else you want to add to the meeting log? :) |
11:13 |
iwikiwi |
silbe: nope, nothing else |
11:13 |
silbe |
#topic Groupthink: bemasc, assim |
11:14 |
bemasc |
hey |
11:14 |
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I got saving and loading working, without any developer work required. It's all automatic. |
11:14 |
silbe |
bemasc: still didn't get around to try it out (and probably won't for some time), but been watching your progress :) |
11:14 |
bemasc |
It's not totally robust, but it's working in the demo. |
11:15 |
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This means that the next step is to work on automerging after offline edit ("asynchronous collab"), which is the real purpose of this whole exercise. |
11:15 |
silbe |
ok, sounds like enough for a diploma thesis ;) |
11:15 |
bemasc |
That's constrained partly by my code but mostly by Sugar itself, so I'll be hacking on the Journal/datastore and maybe presence service. |
11:16 |
walterbender |
lucian: do you think anything in webified would have broken regular downloads? |
11:16 |
bemasc |
that's all. |
11:16 |
silbe |
bemasc: what exactly do you intend to change on the journal code? |
11:16 |
walterbender |
cannot seem to download bemasc 's new version |
11:17 |
bemasc |
silbe: when launching an entry that was kept from a shared session initiated by another user, it needs to retain the sharing scope and shared session identity of the original initiator. |
11:17 |
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walterbender: http://dev.laptop.org/~bemasc/SharedTextDemo-3.xo ? |
11:17 |
silbe |
ok, let's talk about that in #sugar as well |
11:18 |
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any last words? |
11:18 |
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11:18 |
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11:18 |
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11:18 |
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#endmeeting |
11:19 |
SeanDaly |
any marketers made it besides us? |
11:20 |
garycmartin |
beep! |
11:20 |
sdziallas |
looks around, lurking and ready for big discussions ;) |
11:20 |
SeanDaly |
waves to garycmartin |
11:20 |
garycmartin |
waves back |
11:20 |
SeanDaly |
waves to sdziallas |
11:20 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: I am here |
11:20 |
sdziallas |
waves back, too :) |
11:20 |
SeanDaly |
waves to walterbender |
11:21 |
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OK maybe just a few words about tomorrow's press release |
11:21 |
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since it will be published around 8:00AM EDT (early afternoon LinuxTag time) I feel it's best if I do the targeted mailing to journalists tonight |
11:22 |
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or more precisely, as much as II can, because we are over 500 contacts now |
11:22 |
tomeu |
is pingable |
11:22 |
SeanDaly |
I have the translations in de & es |
11:22 |
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waves to tomeu |
11:22 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: I will be at FOSSED all day tomorrow, but hopefully on line and with my cell |
11:23 |
sdziallas |
SeanDaly: de is done? cool! |
11:23 |
SeanDaly |
sdziallas: yes Markus stepped up |
11:23 |
sdziallas |
SeanDaly: ah, great :) |
11:23 |
SeanDaly |
expecting italian tonight and I will complete Ffrench after help from Bastien of olpc-france |
11:24 |
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Christian who is very busy with baby :D will upload tthem to the site tonight |
11:24 |
bernie |
SeanDaly: the SoaS pic is amazing |
11:24 |
SeanDaly |
Hi bernie! yes my photographer friend does amazing work |
11:25 |
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Tomorrow evening should have beauty shots of XOs and netbooks with USB keys |
11:25 |
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But, I need to make up screenshots and that's some work |
11:25 |
bernie |
SeanDaly: we should have pictures like these rotating on our front page every week/month |
11:25 |
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apple style |
11:26 |
SeanDaly |
bernie: yes actually in general Ii feel we coould have a more inviting homepage but there are other priorities, in particular the common navbar |
11:26 |
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which Christian will try to complete very soon |
11:27 |
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I'm hpoing this prress release gets coverage |
11:27 |
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s/hpoing/hoping |
11:27 |
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sdziallas: I checked Release Notes page this afternoon it was blank, will it be populated by tonight do you think? |
11:28 |
sdziallas |
SeanDaly: I'm in the progress of finishing it right now... maybe I'll ask for some eyes in some minutes |
11:28 |
SeanDaly |
I saw that Simon uploaded brochure text which looked good to me, walterbender has read it |
11:29 |
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I'm trying to put together a nice one too and get it printed tomorrow |
11:29 |
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Mike Lee had said might be able to do a Try Sugar orientation flyer |
11:29 |
sdziallas |
SeanDaly: btw, the CD cover art is also impressive :) |
11:30 |
SeanDaly |
I've had a mental image of a cool flyer in my head for awhile :D |
11:30 |
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sdziallas: yes, the booth banner work we did is being leveraged already! Mike did a horizontal banner too |
11:31 |
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I opened the banners last night and it is really thrilling to see those Activity icons so big |
11:31 |
sdziallas |
is curious to see that at LinuxTag |
11:32 |
SeanDaly |
By the way I finally opened a Flickr account for my Sugar photos (couldn't figure out how to open a "non-personal" account) |
11:32 |
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#LINK http://www.flickr.com/photos/39656470@N02/ |
11:33 |
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I'd like to talk about Nexcopy press release for NECC if I may |
11:34 |
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You may have seen that Google is now promoting AllForGood now |
11:34 |
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on their homepage |
11:35 |
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Perhaps there's a community service angle we coould develop, such as asking people to collect old sticks to recycle? |
11:36 |
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there was a slashdot post a month or two ago a guy had a couple of hundred 1Gb USB sticks and rather than chuck them (!) he proposed sending them out as Christmas cards |
11:38 |
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The main angle I want to develop with Nexcopy partnership press release is, support doesn't have to be funding |
11:38 |
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i understand Caroline loaded the first SoaS images on the Nexcopy machine :-) |
11:39 |
caroline |
hi, sorry I'm late |
11:39 |
SeanDaly |
waves to caroline |
11:39 |
caroline |
on the community service, anyone know if our ads are getting sent out? |
11:39 |
SeanDaly |
I'm mentioning Nexcopy |
11:40 |
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caroline: which ads? haven't followed closely your actions there |
11:40 |
sdziallas |
caroline: hey hey ;) |
11:40 |
caroline |
http://www.volunteermatch.org/[…].jsp?orgid=100683 |
11:41 |
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Mike advised us to make volunteer match the home for our volunteer ads and that they would get syndiated |
11:41 |
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as of yesterday they were not showing up on searches though. |
11:41 |
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I'm about to leave for maine so I won't be albe to follow up. |
11:41 |
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I put in 6 ads for Boston SoaS deployment based volunteer types. |
11:41 |
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We could use more virtual volunteer ads. |
11:42 |
SeanDaly |
caroline: it's a USA thing & I'm very occupied with LinuxTag so I haven't delved deeper |
11:42 |
caroline |
It might be worth a shot putting in some really specific ones for the kinds on geeks we are looking for. |
11:42 |
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yeah, we are all hosed this week. |
11:42 |
SeanDaly |
that link is asking me for a pwd |
11:43 |
caroline |
yes you have to create an account and then I an add you as a manager |
11:43 |
SeanDaly |
OK i'll try to remember |
11:44 |
caroline |
http://www.volunteermatch.org/[…]rch/org100683.jsp |
11:44 |
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there is the public view |
11:45 |
SeanDaly |
caroline: that's cool! |
11:45 |
caroline |
thanks |
11:45 |
SeanDaly |
So that rejoins my question about Nexcopy press release |
11:45 |
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namely, |
11:45 |
caroline |
now with luck that is supposed to goto server.gov and youtube etc. |
11:46 |
SeanDaly |
since there is a contribution/public service aspect to Nexcopy's effort, |
11:46 |
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I was wondering if we could work in a community aspect, |
11:46 |
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such as collecting sticks |
11:46 |
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or, just mentioning in passing this listing |
11:47 |
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good for NECC I think |
11:47 |
caroline |
seandaly, maybe see how the site works out then decide later |
11:47 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: I think we want to make a big deal of getting communities organized around schools... |
11:48 |
SeanDaly |
walterbender: yes but what is locus, focal point? |
11:48 |
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we could say: "help us test in schools" |
11:48 |
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but there's a learning curve... |
11:48 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: I think the site that will turn your used USB collection drive into something that can hep a school is poweful |
11:49 |
SeanDaly |
walterbender: yes I agree it's always great to have a URL to give out, hopefully minisite will be ready |
11:49 |
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greg had mentioned wanting to do later a "thermometer" as in fundraising drives |
11:50 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: yes. I suggested that schools or organizations could set them up... |
11:50 |
SeanDaly |
reminder, part of the goal with this next release is to "push" the previous one (tomorrow's) |
11:50 |
JT_4sugar |
The practical question becomes how many can we/or they actually burn? Per hour per day. Do we hire someone. Burning sticks then loading content on to them was time consuming for the 15 I did for Professors at Computers & Writing Conference UC-Davis this past weekend |
11:51 |
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community funding around a nexcopy machine may be way to go |
11:51 |
SeanDaly |
JT_4sugar: Nexcopy makes multiple USB loaders |
11:51 |
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their offer is to collect sticks, load Sugar on them for us, send to us for distribution |
11:52 |
JT_4sugar |
Understand |
11:52 |
SeanDaly |
nexcopy would be delighted though if we said it was a good solution for schools to prepare batches of sticks :-) |
11:52 |
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caroline how did you find the machine? easy to load multiple SoaS ? |
11:53 |
caroline |
complex but great when it works |
11:53 |
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hard to get right, but works well when you do. |
11:53 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: this one seems rushed to me and with too many external dependencies |
11:53 |
caroline |
yes, we don;t seem ready yet. |
11:53 |
JT_4sugar |
can they be burned with image that has things loaded in Journal? |
11:53 |
caroline |
They can copy a stick exactly |
11:54 |
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I'm painfully trying to make a good master right now. |
11:54 |
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its not being easy today |
11:54 |
SeanDaly |
walterbender: we have no hard commitments to Monday 29th date |
11:55 |
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we could hold off, but my concept was to have something connected to NECC, mention DC local lab |
11:55 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: then we should see how things go with Greg over the weekend. |
11:55 |
SeanDaly |
and one-two punch with tomorrow's release |
11:56 |
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walterbender: 3-day (negotiable to 2-day) lead time with eReleases though |
11:56 |
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But, NECC end when? |
11:56 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: I love the strategy... but I worry we don't have the content ready |
11:56 |
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SeanDaly: 1 July |
11:57 |
SeanDaly |
we could do the following: see how it goes this weekend |
11:57 |
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decide on Monday if we want a release last day of NECC, or later |
11:58 |
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I like NECC because: rendez-vous of educators before summer break |
11:58 |
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large concentration of tech-aware too, cf EduBlogger the Saturday |
11:59 |
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it almost doesn't mattter if the PR is skinny compared to tomorrow's which is fat, |
12:00 |
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main idea is to get people thinking "lots of action at SL... new software, grant, partnerships, stuff for schools" |
12:00 |
JT_4sugar |
caroline, Loaded my sticks Journal with "Colorful Look at Sugar" "SugarCampNov2008 Mind Maps" "FLOSS Sugar Manual PDF" --Browse page with link to online FLOSS Sugar Manual--Downloaded Etexts and a book in each also(Shakespeare, Aristotle,Twain) |
12:00 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: assuming all goes well, let's spin the recycle site as a way to prepare for deployments this fall as oppose to more testing |
12:01 |
SeanDaly |
walterbender: yes II agree |
12:01 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: we could announce that I had yet another NSF propsal rejected :( |
12:01 |
SeanDaly |
We can talk up scenarios of how schools could deploy SoaS |
12:01 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: we could announce the start of the summer SOaS pilots |
12:02 |
SeanDaly |
walterbender: sorry to hear that |
12:02 |
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yes remind me there's Gardner, what's the other one(s) ? |
12:02 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: well, I just submitted another one... have to have on in the oven at all times :) |
12:02 |
JT_4sugar |
Announce summer pilots + push for recycle sticks to create more Fall Pilots |
12:03 |
SeanDaly |
JT_4sugar: +1 |
12:03 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: Fredrick middle school, where the kids will be making how-to videos |
12:03 |
SeanDaly |
walterbender: ah yes great |
12:04 |
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You know I really think we could put those in a press release as a stellar example of a school doing real stuff |
12:05 |
JT_4sugar |
Create A Pilot Program for Your Community through Nexcopy "Recycle and Sugarize A USB" Partnership |
12:06 |
SeanDaly |
JT_4sugar: yes along those lines - can work as we stress that we are a nonprofit |
12:07 |
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no one will know whhat Sugarize means, but the "recycle a USB stick for your school" could be agreat theme that catches on |
12:09 |
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OK why don't I work up a draft we can all look at and see how we feel about it? |
12:10 |
walterbender |
+1 |
12:10 |
JT_4sugar |
+1 |
12:11 |
SeanDaly |
OK now for a flyer I will be working more on one tonight |
12:11 |
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i've been blocked by learning curve of layout software |
12:11 |
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had originally plannned to do it over the weekend but was sidetracked by 33 Learners :D |
12:12 |
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anything else we need to discuss? |
12:12 |
garycmartin |
SeanDaly: Should have done the layout with TurtleArt ;-) |
12:13 |
caroline |
LOL |
12:13 |
SeanDaly |
:D |
12:13 |
JT_4sugar |
Do we want to try and get in MarketLab project at MIT-Sloan this fall |
12:13 |
walterbender |
JT_4sugar: we have one at Babson this fall |
12:15 |
JT_4sugar |
Ok-would you like them to work on a different aspect or in coordination with Babson. May be able to extend reach and coverage-One does dveloping nations One does Industrialized nations |
12:16 |
sdziallas |
has got to run for dinner, will be back in ten minutes, though. |
12:17 |
SeanDaly |
sdziallas: we're almost done II think |
12:17 |
sdziallas |
SeanDaly: ah, okay ;) |
12:17 |
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is looking forward to the press releases! |
12:18 |
SeanDaly |
OK anything else, marketers? |
12:19 |
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going once... |
12:19 |
JT_4sugar |
SeanDaly, Cheers for the Great Work! |
12:19 |
SeanDaly |
JT_4sugar: aw shucks I do my best |
12:20 |
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let's see how tomorrow turns out |
12:20 |
JT_4sugar |
Very well I'm sure |
12:21 |
SeanDaly |
going twice... |
12:22 |
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gone |
12:22 |
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