| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 10:15 |
BryanWB |
yay! |
| 10:15 |
mchua |
Gah, sorry guys; I thought I could make Sandeep chair so that he could end that last meeting. |
| 10:15 |
BryanWB |
#TOPIC Webified |
| 10:16 |
dogi |
thx mchua |
| 10:16 |
BryanWB |
mchua: yeah tks |
| 10:16 |
lucian_ |
i've polished SSB creation a bit, now bundles get installed properly and creating an SSB works from inside an existing SSB quite well |
| 10:16 |
dogi |
BryanWB, she is admin of meeting too ... like bernie |
| 10:16 |
homunq_ |
wonders if you can fool meeting bot with /nick .... |
| 10:16 |
bernie |
mchua: you didn't follow your own notes on keeping meetings short and focused, eh? |
| 10:16 |
|
:-) |
| 10:17 |
BryanWB |
lucian_: any issues u r having trouble resolving? |
| 10:17 |
bernie |
dogi: am I? where does the meeting bot live? |
| 10:17 |
BryanWB |
bernie: let's stay on topic ;) |
| 10:17 |
dogi |
http://vig.laptop.org/wiki/ind[…]p/Machine:meeting |
| 10:17 |
lucian_ |
BryanWB: I'm not sure how to persist session data |
| 10:17 |
dogi |
vig.sugarlabs.org ??? |
| 10:17 |
BryanWB |
lucian_: u mean via the journal? |
| 10:18 |
lucian_ |
there are things in get_activity_data() that would need to be in the bundle of created SSBs |
| 10:18 |
|
BryanWB: no, that works |
| 10:18 |
|
BryanWB: since I used Browse, it interacts quite well with the Journal |
| 10:18 |
BryanWB |
lucian_: um, i made a hack a while ago but not sure it is the best way |
| 10:18 |
lucian_ |
my problem is that not everything in get_activity_data() would need to be saved |
| 10:19 |
|
s/saved/included in the SSB/ |
| 10:19 |
tomeu |
goes to vig.sugarlabs.org |
| 10:19 |
BryanWB |
lucian_: ok, basically w/ an .xo bundle u can stick the session data somewhere and then have it copied into isolation/#/uid_to_home_dir/ w/ the shell script that launches it |
| 10:19 |
lucian_ |
something like that |
| 10:19 |
|
but i'm worried that it would grow too large |
| 10:20 |
|
if there's a big gecko profile in the session data, for example |
| 10:20 |
BryanWB |
lucian_: It can easily grow too large, esp. if u pick up cruft in the gecko profile |
| 10:20 |
bernie |
dogi: oh, yeah, I'm an admin! thanks |
| 10:20 |
BryanWB |
lucian_: can easily be 50 MB |
| 10:20 |
bemasc |
lucian_: what's in the profile that you don't want? Presumably just caches, right? |
| 10:20 |
lucian_ |
bemasc: at least the caches, yes |
| 10:21 |
|
perhaps private data as well |
| 10:21 |
BryanWB |
lucian_: geck must have naming convention crap that u can use to exclude it |
| 10:21 |
dogi |
wants to vig.sugarlabs.org cname of vig.laptop.org ... :P |
| 10:21 |
lucian_ |
BryanWB: yes, i'll have to look into that some more |
| 10:21 |
dogi |
and cu later ... |
| 10:21 |
bemasc |
lucian_: ok. I believe there are commands in Firefox to drop those things. I bet you can access them through hulahop. |
| 10:21 |
lucian_ |
anyway, I've also made Browse aware of being an SSB or not |
| 10:21 |
BryanWB |
lucian_: the hard part will be automating what part of the profile should persist and what shouldn't |
| 10:21 |
lucian_ |
since the changes are quite small, I figured it's the best way |
| 10:22 |
|
BryanWB: yes |
| 10:22 |
BryanWB |
lucian_: can u give an example of what should persist? |
| 10:22 |
lucian_ |
bookmarks, history, greasemonkey (after I get it to run), gears |
| 10:22 |
|
i think that's about it |
| 10:22 |
silbe |
sdziallas: sdziallas buildslave-fedora-11-32bit.sugarlabs.org (2001:1418:16e:1:5652:ff:fe26:c5e5) created, your ssh key from soasbs2 added, root rights (sudo) granted |
| 10:22 |
BryanWB |
lucian_: that should be straightforward to store |
| 10:23 |
lucian_ |
BryanWB: i'm not sure though, i may be missing some vital stuff that gecko stores somehow |
| 10:23 |
silbe |
sorry :-/ |
| 10:23 |
bemasc |
ok, it sounds like lucian_ is making great progress and has a path forward. |
| 10:23 |
BryanWB |
lucian_: the documentation for mozilla is great though, u should be able to find out relatively quickly |
| 10:23 |
lucian_ |
yep |
| 10:23 |
BryanWB |
bemasc: agreed, onto next one |
| 10:24 |
lucian_ |
i'll also need some design tips |
| 10:24 |
BryanWB |
lucian_: like what? |
| 10:24 |
lucian_ |
but there's a meeting scheduled on thursday to help me with that, among other things |
| 10:24 |
BryanWB |
lucian_: opyadav at #olenepal is a mega design guru |
| 10:24 |
lucian_ |
BryanWB: like what to call/where to place things like 'create ssb', 'add userscript', etc. |
| 10:24 |
mchua |
lucian_: the mozilla folks are extremely friendly esp. for student participation, and design... drop https://cs.senecac.on.ca/~david.humphrey/ a line. |
| 10:25 |
lucian_ |
mchua, BryanWB: thanks, i'll look into that |
| 10:25 |
BryanWB |
lucian_: he might be able to give u tips if u send him an e-mail om _at_ olenepal dot org |
| 10:25 |
|
Webified done? |
| 10:26 |
|
going once . . . going twice . . . |
| 10:26 |
lucian_ |
BryanWB: pretty much, yes |
| 10:26 |
BryanWB |
#TOPIC Groupthink |
| 10:26 |
|
bemasc: how things? |
| 10:26 |
bemasc |
So I posted a new version of my demo. I basically totally rewrote the algorithmic core. It's actually a lot shorter now, and somewhat faster. |
| 10:27 |
|
It's still not fast enough to write an essay, but it's fast enough for nontrivial uses, so I think it's time for me to move on to another feature. |
| 10:27 |
|
I might come back and try to improve performance later. I believe it should be possible to use a truly "fast" algorithm, but it's a lot of work. |
| 10:28 |
BryanWB |
anyone have an idea for bemasc? |
| 10:28 |
bemasc |
The next feature on my roadmap is persistence (i.e. save/load with the Journal). That's a critical feature, seeing as asynchronous collab is a big part of the project's motivation. |
| 10:28 |
BryanWB |
bemasc: i would love to see a simple version of paint use groupthink |
| 10:29 |
|
bemasc: sounds like u r on track |
| 10:29 |
bemasc |
BryanWB: I agree, though that's not part of my GSoC proposal (the proposal specifically states that I will develop a shared text editing system). |
| 10:29 |
walterbender |
bemasc: I think you should focus on what you are doing... |
| 10:29 |
|
making it simple and robust |
| 10:30 |
BryanWB |
walterbender: +1 |
| 10:30 |
|
and let others add features later |
| 10:30 |
bemasc |
Persistence is not so easy. My original plan for persistence was to use D-Bus's own serialization format, the one Telepathy uses to send bits over the wire, to save files to the Journal. |
| 10:30 |
walterbender |
FYI, we'll be testing it again tomorrow in the collaboration testing session |
| 10:31 |
homunq_ |
and? |
| 10:31 |
bemasc |
Unfortunately, the functions for doing this are sort of buggy/untested. I've gotten one patch into upstream so far, but it still doesn't work. |
| 10:31 |
|
Also, even if it does work, it will require a some new version of libdbus. |
| 10:31 |
|
and dbus-python. |
| 10:32 |
|
So... maybe I should be trying to come up with a fallback serialization method. |
| 10:32 |
BryanWB |
bemasc: i like json, if only because it is the only serialization method i can grok ;) |
| 10:32 |
|
s/method/format/ |
| 10:33 |
bemasc |
BryanWB: hmm. I'll see if json fits into this square hole. Pickle doesn't, unfortunately. |
| 10:34 |
|
The other issue I have run into is that the Journal does not really remember activity sharing parameters correctly. |
| 10:34 |
BryanWB |
bemasc: have u addressed this w/ tomeu or erikos? |
| 10:35 |
bemasc |
So if two people start on a shared document, turn off their computers, go home, work on the document offline, and then come back to school the next day, there's no way for them to merge those two sessions. |
| 10:35 |
|
I filed a bug at dev.sugarlabs.org |
| 10:35 |
|
I'll probably have to fix it myself, though I don't really even know what component it's in. |
| 10:35 |
aa |
bemasc: do you remember the #? |
| 10:36 |
bemasc |
http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/935 |
| 10:36 |
aa |
thx :) |
| 10:37 |
BryanWB |
bemasc: i think we have 25 mins left, do u mind if we wrap up your section and move on to the next project? |
| 10:37 |
bemasc |
next! |
| 10:38 |
BryanWB |
#TOPIC Materializing Sweetness |
| 10:38 |
|
aa: where vamsi? |
| 10:38 |
homunq_ |
I'm sorry, I have to go now. |
| 10:38 |
aa |
no idea, I pinged him |
| 10:38 |
BryanWB |
homunq_: enjoy your trip |
| 10:39 |
homunq_ |
silbe, I am going to Nicaragua. I'll try to make our meeting thursday, but no guarantees at all. |
| 10:39 |
BryanWB |
#TOPIC journal and silbe |
| 10:39 |
silbe |
homunq_: no problem |
| 10:39 |
aa |
homunq_: take care! |
| 10:39 |
silbe |
homunq_: enjoy your stay |
| 10:39 |
lucian_ |
homunq_: bonne voyage! |
| 10:40 |
silbe |
not much progress this week as i'm busy working on the slides for my seminar talk tomorrow. started working on the VCS backend module, though. |
| 10:40 |
subzero |
homunq_: cia |
| 10:40 |
|
ciao* |
| 10:40 |
walterbender |
silbe got distracted by Turtle Art :) |
| 10:40 |
BryanWB |
walterbender: i find it very distracting too ;) |
| 10:40 |
silbe |
creating repo and initial entry is working fine, working on getting a list of versions now |
| 10:40 |
|
walterbender: dumped it for Open Office :-P |
| 10:41 |
BryanWB |
silbe: need anything from humble band of Sugaristas or should we move on to next project? |
| 10:42 |
silbe |
BryanWB: let's move on, i hope to have more to show on thursday |
| 10:42 |
BryanWB |
silbe: cool |
| 10:42 |
|
#TOPIC Karma |
| 10:42 |
|
pretends to be unawares |
| 10:42 |
|
subzero: how is progress? |
| 10:42 |
subzero |
link: http://karma.sugarlabs.org/quadrilaterals |
| 10:43 |
|
thats the quadrilaterals activity |
| 10:43 |
|
I had troubles with buttons, so I created my own version (Karma version ):) |
| 10:43 |
|
It's almost complete |
| 10:43 |
BryanWB |
subzero: looks great, what have u figured out and what problems are u still having? |
| 10:44 |
subzero |
well, I'm using masterHandler for mouse, so it calls all the lsiteners |
| 10:44 |
|
problems: it runs slow on the xo |
| 10:45 |
|
I'm going to test it with epiphany |
| 10:45 |
BryanWB |
subzero: when it tried it out today it was quite slow w/ Firefox 3.5, have u tried it out yourself since we talked last? |
| 10:46 |
subzero |
not yet, I'm in the university, the xo is in my room |
| 10:46 |
BryanWB |
subzero: yeah, don't take my work for it, try it yourself |
| 10:46 |
subzero |
BryanWB: I'm wondering how to reduce the amount of required ram |
| 10:46 |
|
BryanWB: ok |
| 10:47 |
BryanWB |
subzero: also, when I ran FF the buttons were huge, i hadn't adjusted it to the screen resolution |
| 10:47 |
|
subzero: perhaps that could have affected it |
| 10:47 |
subzero |
mmm, damn... |
| 10:47 |
BryanWB |
subzero: so 1) finishing activity 2) performance 3) then what? |
| 10:47 |
subzero |
I'll test it today |
| 10:48 |
BryanWB |
subzero: have u slept? in the last 24 hours? i have been talking to u for the last 14 hours |
| 10:48 |
aa |
iwikiwi: welcome! |
| 10:48 |
BryanWB |
iwikiwi: welcome! |
| 10:48 |
subzero |
wiriting the other componets? textfield, drawCircle, and so on |
| 10:48 |
|
BryanWB: nop |
| 10:48 |
iwikiwi |
aa, BryanWB: thanks |
| 10:48 |
BryanWB |
subzero: ha ha |
| 10:48 |
lucian_ |
iwikiwi: hello, mate! |
| 10:48 |
iwikiwi |
lucian_: heya! |
| 10:49 |
BryanWB |
subzero: great progress, have anything else before we move on? |
| 10:49 |
subzero |
BryanWB: I lost time using the XO, so... I tried to do what I say I'll do |
| 10:49 |
|
BryanWB: nope |
| 10:50 |
BryanWB |
#TOPIC printing |
| 10:50 |
aa |
ok, good news is iwikiwi got his XO ;) |
| 10:50 |
iwikiwi |
also, I'm working on a print 'module' atm, the skeleton and settings are there, need to add features |
| 10:51 |
BryanWB |
iwikiwi: how much will u have to hack moodle? |
| 10:51 |
iwikiwi |
BryanWB: This is whats troubling, I cant gauge moodle properly |
| 10:51 |
BryanWB |
iwikiwi: how so? |
| 10:52 |
iwikiwi |
Its really huge, and I cant figure out a few things without live support, which is becoming harder to find |
| 10:52 |
BryanWB |
iwikiwi: yeah, the moodle community seems to communicate primarily thru forums and not chat |
| 10:52 |
aa |
iwikiwi: config files are imported |
| 10:53 |
|
and global $CFG is used throughout |
| 10:53 |
lucian |
subzero: about drawCircle, have you tried cake.js ? |
| 10:54 |
|
sorry, wrong channel |
| 10:54 |
BryanWB |
iwikiwi: perhaps the moodle gsoc participants could help? |
| 10:54 |
iwikiwi |
aa: yeah, I know. I found a skeleton to work on. I am working on that atm. But since maybe I started work on it for only 10 hrs now, I am feeling it akward. |
| 10:54 |
|
BryanWB: well the thing is actually i took help from them and ended up building a assignment plugin. Which had been a moodle devs suggestion |
| 10:55 |
|
and also I had took a 3 and half days break this week due to family issues, I am a bit lagging on this weeks progress other than getting XS to work good for me |
| 10:56 |
BryanWB |
iwikiwi: for me the XS often feels like a timesink and can be very frustrating |
| 10:56 |
iwikiwi |
my dev env had been specifically moodle and apache till now, but martin had adviced i work on xs |
| 10:57 |
BryanWB |
iwikiwi: u should use the xs, but don't let ejabberd problems slow u down at all, that is where time disappears |
| 10:58 |
iwikiwi |
yep, thankfully I have it set up well now. All thanks to finding dabeb online |
| 10:58 |
|
and matching times with him |
| 10:58 |
BryanWB |
we are running out of time folks , i believe marketing meeting starts soon |
| 10:58 |
|
iwikiwi: anything else? |
| 10:58 |
|
aa: have anything to add? |
| 10:59 |
aa |
nope, its been a slow week :) |
| 10:59 |
iwikiwi |
well, I'm worried about my progress with moodle, thats about it |
| 10:59 |
|
highly worried |
| 10:59 |
BryanWB |
iwikiwi: keep at it and u will figure it out |
| 10:59 |
aa |
iwikiwi: count on me, as always |
| 10:59 |
bemasc |
iwikiwi: even if you can't get moodle working, if USB printers work that is a big win. |
| 11:00 |
iwikiwi |
bemasc: about that, I was thinking I focus more on the sugar side and do moodle as a follow up. |
| 11:00 |
|
but I think that will again bring debates and arguments |
| 11:01 |
aa |
the moodle part shouldnt be that hard, it true however that moodle is... not very intuitive |
| 11:01 |
bemasc |
iwikiwi: you and aa are in charge. You don't have to listen to anyone else. |
| 11:01 |
|
anyway, we're out of time |
| 11:01 |
iwikiwi |
okay |
| 11:01 |
BryanWB |
aa: moodle sometimes feels like a big flat mess |
| 11:01 |
|
at least to me |
| 11:01 |
|
sorry mlxsa |
| 11:01 |
|
algo mas? ma od? shto novikovo? Haita? |
| 11:01 |
aa |
with sometimes -> always |
| 11:01 |
BryanWB |
anything more? |
| 11:02 |
SeanDaly |
gar |
| 11:02 |
BryanWB |
#endmeeting |
| 11:04 |
SeanDaly |
has learned how to wave to garycmartin |
| 11:05 |
sdziallas |
is here and waving, too. |
| 11:05 |
SeanDaly |
hi sdziallas |
| 11:05 |
walterbender |
hi SeanDaly |
| 11:05 |
SeanDaly |
sdziallas: this timeslot OK for you? |
| 11:05 |
|
waves to walterbender |
| 11:06 |
sdziallas |
SeanDaly: yup :) because I've no gym today... |
| 11:06 |
SeanDaly |
Mike Lee can't make it today but has said he can help with layout + content of both PDF brochure and Try Sugar docs! |
| 11:06 |
|
Hi jt4sugar! |
| 11:06 |
jt4sugar |
Hello |
| 11:06 |
SeanDaly |
is caroline with us today? |
| 11:07 |
caroline |
yes |
| 11:07 |
SeanDaly |
OK why don't I start with brief roundup of booth swag situation |
| 11:07 |
|
waves to caroline |
| 11:07 |
|
Banners: 2 are ordered for LinuxTag and I will leave one with Simon |
| 11:08 |
mchua |
lurking |
| 11:08 |
SeanDaly |
Banners: Mike Lee has done a very nice horizontal adaptation and is having it done for NECC |
| 11:08 |
|
waves to mchua |
| 11:09 |
|
These similar banners will help branding, photos taken at different events wiill show same branding=good |
| 11:09 |
mchua |
NECC/LinuxTax presence == excellent! do they have an url or email pointing to an actual person(s) who'll be on the ball for personally welcoming new contribs from those events? |
| 11:09 |
SeanDaly |
However let me stress that these designs aren't written in stone |
| 11:09 |
|
mchua: I will be manning LinuxTag booth myself over 2 days, with others |
| 11:10 |
mchua |
awesomeness! i think we lose a lot of potentials at that stage because of lack of followup bandwidth, so that's *really* great to hear |
| 11:10 |
SeanDaly |
NECC DC will ne the Sugar Labs DC folk! |
| 11:10 |
|
mchua: I wish to meet developers & distro people, OEMs if there, etc. |
| 11:10 |
caroline |
mchua I agree and my goal was to have a real person for each person type on our contribute page |
| 11:11 |
SeanDaly |
Booth swag - balloons! |
| 11:11 |
caroline |
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]/Getting_Involved |
| 11:11 |
SeanDaly |
If you saw my mail to marketing list, the final proof looks grand |
| 11:12 |
|
will bring 100 branded balloons in different colors to LinuxTag |
| 11:12 |
|
And, can order more at cut rate later |
| 11:12 |
|
Booth swag: Simon talked about a poster |
| 11:13 |
|
i said my hands are a bit too full to work on that and designers occupied too |
| 11:13 |
|
However, a large logo for the booth's back wall wouldn't hurt |
| 11:13 |
|
ideally a poster with the fabulous Mike Lee SoaS photo... |
| 11:13 |
|
Or one of the beauty shots planned for tomorrow |
| 11:14 |
|
But higher priority for me is arranging some T-Shirts |
| 11:14 |
caroline |
I really like the ones with Mike's kid. A human face always attracts attention and the kid + computer tells our story |
| 11:14 |
SeanDaly |
caroline: +1 |
| 11:14 |
|
I would like to open a t-shirt store, |
| 11:15 |
|
and make Sugar iconography supercool to wear about |
| 11:15 |
|
But for LinuxTag I'll be happy if I can just show up with some tees, store can be done later |
| 11:16 |
|
OK now if II may switch gears, |
| 11:16 |
|
some input please about booth demo scenarios? |
| 11:16 |
|
How best to demo Sugar to interested passersby? |
| 11:17 |
|
I had the opportunity to show Sugar on 3 XOs and a Classmate to my son's teacher today |
| 11:18 |
|
I showed Write, and how each Learners could update doc |
| 11:18 |
|
Then, my son and his classmates whisked the XOs away and started Chat & Record ;-) |
| 11:18 |
jt4sugar |
Create Memorize game with pictures from current events |
| 11:19 |
SeanDaly |
jt4sugar: +1 |
| 11:19 |
sdziallas |
sorry, got disconnected :/ |
| 11:20 |
SeanDaly |
sdziallas: wondering about how best to demo Sugar at booth |
| 11:20 |
garycmartin |
SeanDaly: What type of folks do you expect? The average geek may want to see terminal and vim ;-) |
| 11:20 |
sdziallas |
SeanDaly: I'll bring my XO, and we might have others, too... and I'm preparing a special XO version of SoaS |
| 11:20 |
caroline |
I try to engage people in conversation and show them something they are itnerested in. |
| 11:21 |
|
I show the neighborhood to talk about collaboration. |
| 11:21 |
sdziallas |
SeanDaly: of course a "soas-charging station" if somebody brings his usb key, I'd say |
| 11:21 |
caroline |
some people love it when you translate to thier language. |
| 11:21 |
SeanDaly |
garycmartin: LinuxTag crowd will be geekier than NECC for sure, but idea to show typical kids+teacher situation? |
| 11:22 |
mchua |
SeanDaly: bring some of your kids' textbooks and do a "which is more fun: A or B?" comparision |
| 11:22 |
SeanDaly |
sdziallas: dumb question but how shall we network XOs and netbooks? wifi b/g access point? |
| 11:22 |
mchua |
(turtle art activity demoing the same thing as a geometry chapter, say) |
| 11:22 |
SeanDaly |
mchua: that's a good idea... although most of their textbooks are in French :D |
| 11:23 |
mchua |
math books need less translation, usually. |
| 11:23 |
SeanDaly |
mchua: good point |
| 11:23 |
sdziallas |
SeanDaly: good question, I'm not sure of LinuxTag's infrastructure... might be that the wifi is completely bloated and that we'd need network cables (might be a question for erikos) |
| 11:23 |
mchua |
you folks have ethernet-to-usb dongles to bring for that, in case? |
| 11:24 |
caroline |
theoretically you shoudl be able to bring an AP and not connect it to the internet but connect all themachines to it. |
| 11:24 |
|
that wouldbe good to test. |
| 11:24 |
SeanDaly |
sdziallas: I was thinking we would bring our own AP and cable that to the net? |
| 11:24 |
sdziallas |
SeanDaly: if that worked, would be very cool! :) |
| 11:24 |
SeanDaly |
mchua: I have two of the Zoltan thingies, work great with XOs |
| 11:24 |
caroline |
you might do better not cabeling to the net and collaborating locally |
| 11:24 |
SeanDaly |
sdziallas: I have several APs, David had brought one to SugarCamp Paris he left with me |
| 11:25 |
|
caroline: yes will keep that in mind |
| 11:25 |
garycmartin |
caroline: local collab +1, yes more reliable at least in my testing. |
| 11:25 |
caroline |
if you goto the net it will try to collaborate through the XS in the US. Theoretically if you don't connect to the internet it should default to tlocal. |
| 11:25 |
sdziallas |
SeanDaly: ah, I see. that's cool! I wasn't aware of that... :) |
| 11:25 |
SeanDaly |
As non-XOs I will have: Gen1 Classmate, 2 EeePCs, Acer Aspire One, Dell Mini 10 |
| 11:26 |
walterbender |
I'd recommend have one machine set up for collaboration globally... the rest set up for local collaboration |
| 11:26 |
garycmartin |
caroline: Or just blank out the jabber server in the Network settings, than you can still potentially browse the web if needed. |
| 11:26 |
walterbender |
and some XOs just collaborting through mesh, separate from everything else |
| 11:26 |
SeanDaly |
walterbender: good idea by the way is there any overlap betwenn LinuxTag and NECC? we could collaborate booth-to-booth :-) |
| 11:27 |
mchua |
3 killer sugar features = collaboration, exploration, reflection, so don't forget to talk up the journal-as-portfolio, and view-source. the last section in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Core_principles has a great spiel ( walterbender's I think ) |
| 11:27 |
caroline |
I think its more LinuxTag and FOSSED overlap |
| 11:27 |
SeanDaly |
walterbender: I can bring 7 XOs |
| 11:27 |
jt4sugar |
SeanDaly: will Etexts be on SoaS sticks your demoing-Showing off ability to get Free books in organized fashion could be Big Plus |
| 11:27 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: how much table space do yo have? |
| 11:27 |
bemasc |
Is there any way to set up an ejabberd in Germany? Do you know what the network conditions are going to be like? |
| 11:27 |
SeanDaly |
caroline: remind me, do we have booth at FOSSED, or session or what? |
| 11:27 |
caroline |
Session |
| 11:27 |
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3 hours |
| 11:27 |
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not sure when yeet |
| 11:28 |
SeanDaly |
walterbender: Simon is on that but looks iffy, small square podiums |
| 11:28 |
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In fact we have 1/5 of a large booth |
| 11:28 |
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my plan iis to sort of squat a max with 2 pro banners and two pro balloon trees |
| 11:29 |
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hoping none of my netbooks or XOs sprout legs and walk away :-) |
| 11:30 |
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OK back to scenarii: I like to show Neighborhood View when demoing, shows collab |
| 11:31 |
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TurtleArt basic algo is always a hit |
| 11:32 |
caroline |
programmers love Turtle Art |
| 11:32 |
SeanDaly |
greetngs SMParrish |
| 11:33 |
mchua |
SeanDaly: re: neighborhood view, there's a gorgeous flash story illustration of how that works created by the dc high school kids. i can't find it atm but ffm and jelkner should know where it is |
| 11:34 |
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(also a nice local labs / contributor age distribution / community participation story) |
| 11:34 |
SeanDaly |
By the way, booth will have area for sit-down demos, large screen |
| 11:34 |
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For a 20-minute demo say |
| 11:35 |
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mchua: yes if you can point me to that great |
| 11:37 |
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OK if anyone thinks of other great Activity sharing scenarios, send mail to list pls |
| 11:38 |
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Collaboration, View Source are important differentiators for us - what Sugar has and proprietary competitors in the space do not |
| 11:38 |
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May I talk about the PR flurry? |
| 11:39 |
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PR pros usually say "blitz", but in keeping with the Sugar way of doing things differently, I've coined the term flurry |
| 11:39 |
caroline |
yes ploease! |
| 11:39 |
SeanDaly |
So already last week we enumerated lots of news |
| 11:39 |
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we have a plethora of things to say |
| 11:40 |
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What I want to do is try to jumpstart buzz by making several closely spaced announcements |
| 11:41 |
erikos |
when is the marketing meeting today? |
| 11:41 |
caroline |
_1 |
| 11:41 |
SeanDaly |
To be clear, a press release we do usually has 3 vectors: |
| 11:41 |
caroline |
+1 |
| 11:41 |
SeanDaly |
waves to erikos |
| 11:41 |
erikos |
oh hey SeanDaly! |
| 11:41 |
SeanDaly |
first vector: we publish on press page, world doesn't notice or care |
| 11:42 |
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seconf vector: we release through pr service; some journalists notice and care; PR is well-indexed in search engines when journos look for us later |
| 11:43 |
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third vector: we send press release to our targeted mailing list |
| 11:43 |
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This third vector is extremely efficient and most press coverage comes from there |
| 11:43 |
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But, sending several press releases close together to the list is not such a great idea. |
| 11:44 |
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Also sending PR through service has a cost each time too. Not major, but still. |
| 11:44 |
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So my suggestion is we do a press release in all three vectors as soon as possible, |
| 11:45 |
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then another datelined LinuxTag Berlin, |
| 11:45 |
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another datelined NECC DC and/or FOSS ED? |
| 11:45 |
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not sure of events week dates |
| 11:46 |
caroline |
NECC starts when FOSSED ends |
| 11:46 |
SeanDaly |
we could even do a fourth timed foor GUADEC |
| 11:46 |
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caroline: OK for FOSSED then |
| 11:47 |
walterbender |
I have the podium at GUADEC on the 4th |
| 11:47 |
SeanDaly |
so, a mix of some with all 3 vectors and soome not |
| 11:47 |
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walterbender: the ideal opportunity for you to say: "this morning, we announced..." |
| 11:48 |
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Coverage of keynote becomes more topical; aside from long-term strategy etc. there is "news" |
| 11:48 |
bemasc |
yeah, but there's no news |
| 11:48 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: or "this week we announced..." |
| 11:49 |
SeanDaly |
bemasc: we are overflowing with news, the question is how best to promote |
| 11:49 |
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walterbender: +1 |
| 11:49 |
walterbender |
bemasc: we have a great new collaboration model :) |
| 11:49 |
SeanDaly |
For sure, i would like SoaS v1 Strawberry release at LinuxTag |
| 11:50 |
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And, i think Nexcopy partnership at FOSSED - caroline what do you think? |
| 11:50 |
caroline |
when are we doing the Gould Grant |
| 11:50 |
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I need that annouced so I can work Harvard partnerships and local donations |
| 11:51 |
SeanDaly |
caroline: mayybe Gould grant better at FOSSED, and Nexcopy at NECC DC? |
| 11:51 |
jt4sugar |
Sugar Roadshow release-what events will be at-Looking for developers and Teacher testers for SoaS strawberry-Gould grant for Pilots |
| 11:51 |
caroline |
yes sooner better for Gould Grant |
| 11:52 |
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and it goes with the teacher conference better I think. |
| 11:52 |
SeanDaly |
jt4sugar: my concern with "roadshow" term is that we're not actually going out on the road... just covering separate events with excellent coordination :-) |
| 11:53 |
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OK can we try to hang dates on those three annnouncements? |
| 11:53 |
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remind me pls FOSSED dates? |
| 11:54 |
jt4sugar |
SeanDaly: Sugar Summer Tour? |
| 11:54 |
SeanDaly |
jt4sugar: actually Ii think it might serve us to "sugarize" the name |
| 11:55 |
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like, "Sugar Rodeoshow" or "Sugar Summer-school Tour" |
| 11:56 |
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sdziallas, when is SoaS v1 Strawberry release date? |
| 11:56 |
sdziallas |
SeanDaly: it was scheduled for June 24 (first day LinuxTag, right?)... |
| 11:57 |
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I'm planning to make the final images on June 20 (which is this Saturday) |
| 11:57 |
SeanDaly |
OK June 24th first day of LinuxTag sounds good to me |
| 11:57 |
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sdziallas: you mentioned special XO version, that may generate lots of excitement - are you confident about it, or is it iffy? your call |
| 11:58 |
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caroline: is FOSSED June 24-26th? |
| 11:58 |
sdziallas |
SeanDaly: I'm going to build today a preview for everybody! I've already tested it on my XO here and am really confident about it. |
| 11:58 |
SeanDaly |
sdziallas: very exciting! |
| 11:58 |
sdziallas |
:) |
| 11:59 |
erikos |
sdziallas, ohhhh |
| 11:59 |
caroline |
:) |
| 11:59 |
erikos |
sdziallas, with usb stick? |
| 11:59 |
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sdziallas, or flashing on nand? |
| 11:59 |
SeanDaly |
caroline: we will want to refer to SoaS in Gould PR |
| 11:59 |
sdziallas |
erikos: NAND! but mtd also mentione usb keys... |
| 11:59 |
SeanDaly |
what day is your session? |
| 12:00 |
erikos |
sdziallas, NAND is all fine - I have a presentation on thursday - could test it there |
| 12:00 |
sdziallas |
erikos: cool! :) |
| 12:00 |
SeanDaly |
sdziallas: I like booting Classmate from SD-Card, just leave it in there all the time |
| 12:00 |
daveb |
yeah USB/SD should work the same. |
| 12:00 |
sdziallas |
SeanDaly: that's cool! :) |
| 12:01 |
SeanDaly |
caroline or walterbender: FOSSED session the 24th? |
| 12:02 |
caroline |
24th or 25th |
| 12:02 |
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they haven't told us yet |
| 12:02 |
SeanDaly |
#LINK http://www.fossed.com/sessions |
| 12:03 |
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i would like to do a press release prior to Events Week, |
| 12:03 |
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mentioning we will be at events |
| 12:04 |
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but news in that PR could be: GCompris running in Sugar (possible angle we seek contributors to better sugarize e.g. collab) |
| 12:05 |
caroline |
Seems like Gould Grant and FOSSED and GCompris and LinuxTag go together |
| 12:05 |
SeanDaly |
NECC is June 28- July 1 |
| 12:06 |
caroline |
NECC and Nexttag |
| 12:06 |
SeanDaly |
GUADEC is July 3 -July 11 |
| 12:07 |
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yes Nexcopy at NECC seems like a good fit |
| 12:09 |
caroline |
the only fly in the ointment is we don't know how long between writing and BPS approval for the Gould Grant release |
| 12:09 |
SeanDaly |
caroline: yes i've been concerned about that too and unfortunately have been unable to advance quicker |
| 12:10 |
caroline |
well we can make our plans then adjust. |
| 12:11 |
sdziallas |
goes quickly grabbing some food, will be back in some minutes |
| 12:13 |
SeanDaly |
Idea: how about: SoaS June 24th datelined LinuxTag onsite+PR+mailing, Gould grant June 25th datelined FOSSED onsite+PR+mailing, Nexcopy June 28 datelined NECC DC? |
| 12:13 |
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onsite+PR+mailing |
| 12:14 |
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then, onsite only we have: Local Labs, GCompris, Dailymotion channel? |
| 12:15 |
caroline |
sounds reasonable |
| 12:16 |
SeanDaly |
what I'd like is for a first release asap mentioning our presence at events be onsite+PR+mailing |
| 12:16 |
caroline |
should we have a friends PR list that we send everything too, of people who won't mind the volume? |
| 12:17 |
SeanDaly |
caroline: i've been thinking about that, i don't mind centralizing on my global list where I differentiaite "journalist" "educator" "other" |
| 12:18 |
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actually June 28th is a Sunday, press release should be for Monday 29th instead |
| 12:20 |
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wondering how to kick off flurry |
| 12:21 |
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feel like I don't see forest because of the trees |
| 12:21 |
caroline |
it feels like we are still working on our We Are Alive message |
| 12:22 |
SeanDaly |
caroline: yes, true... is that still appropriate? My instinct is yes |
| 12:22 |
caroline |
yes |
| 12:22 |
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I agree. The next message is This Works In Schools and we aren't there yet. |
| 12:23 |
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or maybe thats not next but its where we want to be going. maybe there is a way point on the way to that message. I'm not sure. |
| 12:23 |
SeanDaly |
What I like about GCompris is: it shows off ASLO. It shows we have an open platform and can leverage FOSS. It shows there is work to do and we need volunteers. And it brings great Activities like Chess :-) |
| 12:23 |
jt4sugar |
Weaving the "We Need Help" message into the We are alive message is important to get to This works in schools |
| 12:24 |
SeanDaly |
jt4sugar: +1 |
| 12:24 |
caroline |
+1 |
| 12:24 |
SeanDaly |
What i donn't like about GCompris is: no collaboration i think, no view source I think |
| 12:25 |
caroline |
and on Sugar no Teacher backend yet, wheras that does exist on Linux I think. |
| 12:25 |
SeanDaly |
different angles are possible... for example, I understand work has been done to run Flash content more easily? |
| 12:25 |
caroline |
Sean, not working yet |
| 12:25 |
walterbender |
jt4sugar: I have been thinking about your call for ideas for the Writers |
| 12:25 |
SeanDaly |
caroline: not sure I understood re: backend |
| 12:26 |
caroline |
I need to get lunch before my next meeting, be back and forth to the keyboard |
| 12:26 |
SeanDaly |
What about Read Etext Gutenberg project connection? could be interesting announcement too? |
| 12:26 |
jt4sugar |
walterbender: your thoughts |
| 12:27 |
walterbender |
jt4sugar: I think that we want them to bring known approaches to Sugar--we can follow up with technical support |
| 12:27 |
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e.g., their model of how peer editing should... |
| 12:27 |
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other types of writing exercises... |
| 12:27 |
garycmartin |
SeanDaly: Flash, yes tomeu has made a gtk widged out of Gnash so that Flash content can be made into activities. I've not dabbled much yet but it lowers the barrier to content creators/authors (though does not mean any old lump of clunky Flash code will work, much of it is very shabby coding). |
| 12:27 |
walterbender |
they are the experts, not us |
| 12:28 |
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garycmartin: and lucian's work will lower barriers too. |
| 12:28 |
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SeanDaly: we will have a series of Browse-related announcements this summer |
| 12:29 |
SeanDaly |
garycmartin: my concern with GCompris and flash content is: we throw open the gates to tons of great content, but add piles of uneven code (+ graphic experience) |
| 12:29 |
caroline |
when I tested Gnash today it did not work on the X4o and it only showed some of the content on a website with a flash about volacanos |
| 12:29 |
SeanDaly |
A difficulty with Flash iis that Adobe is motivated to add exotic proprietary or encumbered codecs in with each new version |
| 12:30 |
sdziallas |
is back |
| 12:30 |
SeanDaly |
walterbender: sounds good |
| 12:30 |
garycmartin |
SeanDaly: correct, we hit the quantity vs. quality problem (actually GCompris has put us there already). |
| 12:30 |
tomeu |
SeanDaly: ASLO is intended to help you make the good more accessible than the bad stuff |
| 12:30 |
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that's why it has reviews, featured content, etc, etc |
| 12:30 |
SeanDaly |
hi tomeu, good point |
| 12:30 |
tomeu |
battling with browse as well |
| 12:31 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: we will have the IFE content available (which all runs in GNASH) |
| 12:31 |
caroline |
I think we shoudl follow Apple iphone apps strategy on quality vs quantity. Lots of quanity but people review to help you find the qalty |
| 12:31 |
walterbender |
caroline: you mean the AMO strategy :) |
| 12:31 |
SeanDaly |
About quantity vs. quality: having large quantity is positive |
| 12:31 |
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walterbender: IFE? |
| 12:31 |
tomeu |
btw, mozilla is having trouble reviewing all the extensions. they have a queue of several weeks |
| 12:32 |
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we'll get there, eventually ;) |
| 12:32 |
SeanDaly |
And, having quality bubble to top is good strategy, similar to Apple Dashboard widgets and iPhone apps |
| 12:32 |
garycmartin |
caroline: Gnash testing. Thats what I mean about "heaps of clunky Flash code out there" It will never run well on XO-1 type hardware. But if you develop Flash for XO hardware then you have a fine platform. |
| 12:32 |
caroline |
Can we steal their "There's an App for That" line? |
| 12:33 |
SeanDaly |
against stealing marketing stuff, but |
| 12:33 |
walterbender |
caroline: we want to say: you can write an app for that |
| 12:33 |
SeanDaly |
in favor of "creative borrowing" like musicians do it |
| 12:33 |
caroline |
walter +1 |
| 12:34 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: IFL... Innovations for Learning |
| 12:34 |
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SeanDaly: the Teachermate s'ware |
| 12:34 |
caroline |
That shoudl be part of our GCompris story, that not only are we takig wht already exists but its an example of how we are creatig a platform that teachers and students can add to and share what they create. |
| 12:34 |
SeanDaly |
walterbender: ok |
| 12:35 |
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If we do a GCompris press release, we can put ASLO as the angle! |
| 12:35 |
caroline |
Sugar, everyone is a creator |
| 12:36 |
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a 6 year old can create a lesson using Memorize |
| 12:36 |
SeanDaly |
and address content question: "more and more Activities, now necessary to simplify choice" |
| 12:36 |
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also FOSS leverage angle (always a differentiator): adapted from Mozilla |
| 12:36 |
caroline |
Sean, not a this week issue as we don't have any real teachers picking apps this week. |
| 12:37 |
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Also we have some technical work to do, with upgrades and integration into the XS so that teachers can pick apps for thier students, probably months away. |
| 12:37 |
SeanDaly |
caroline: what I want is a nice small bit o' news which will raide antennae of journos pre-events |
| 12:37 |
caroline |
right, |
| 12:37 |
SeanDaly |
s/raide/raise |
| 12:38 |
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we will mention SoaS for very soon too |
| 12:38 |
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kind oof like priming the carburetor, but I understand people don't drive cars with carbs anymore |
| 12:39 |
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I may need another day to mull this over... |
| 12:40 |
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anyone else have a topic before we wrap it up? |
| 12:41 |
jt4sugar |
walterbender: Sorry-missed your comments-flaky connection today |
| 12:41 |
SeanDaly |
going once... |
| 12:43 |
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going twice... |
| 12:43 |
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gone! |
| 12:43 |
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#endmeeting |