| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 08:59 | mchua | Meeting minutes will be at http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]0090614_0858.html |
| 08:59 | Guest67225 | what time do u leave? |
| 08:59 | mchua | and a meeting log will be at http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]0090614_0858.html |
| 08:59 | Guest67225: ...right about now, actually. | |
| 08:59 | Agenda is at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC[…]lippines/Meetings | |
| 09:00 | and how to use meetbot is http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot | |
| 09:00 | that's why I'm dumping a lot of links here ;) | |
| 09:00 | #chair Guest67225 | |
| 09:00 | #chair sandeep_c | |
| 09:00 | sandeep_c: now you should also be able to #endmeeting | |
| 09:01 | sandeep_c | drinking from a firehose...we'll make it work |
| 09:01 | mchua | I'll have my phone with me in the car if you guys need anything... 847.970.8484 (call or text) |
| 09:01 | but I think y'all will be totally fine | |
| 09:01 | sandeep_c | ok..thanks Mel |
| 09:02 | mchua | thanks, sandeep_c! |
| 09:06 | rletada | Hi |
| 09:06 | Am I in the right place? | |
| 09:06 | sandeep_c | yes |
| 09:06 | rletada | happy belated birthday |
| 09:07 | how was china? did u get to hike? | |
| 09:07 | sandeep_c | thanks |
| 09:07 | yes and yes | |
| 09:07 | btw, mel had to leave so she set up a bot for logging and minutes | |
| 09:08 | Meeting minutes will be at http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]0090614_0858.html 20:57mchuaand a meeting log will be at http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]0090614_0858.html | |
| 09:11 | rletada | ahhh ok. dis is my first time using this.. |
| 09:11 | sandeep_c | #topic Introductions |
| 09:12 | CherryW | hello |
| 09:12 | rletada | wheres everyone else? |
| 09:12 | sandeep_c | hi all. my first time here and i'm 'chair' since Mel had to leave |
| 09:13 | CherryW | Oh there you are |
| 09:13 | I was in another room #sugar_meeting. sorry too early for me | |
| 09:13 | is Marife here? | |
| 09:13 | sandeep_c | meeting log will be at http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]0090614_0858.html |
| 09:14 | mafe | Mabuhay! :) |
| 09:14 | rletada | hi! |
| 09:14 | sandeep_c | hi mafe! |
| 09:14 | CherryW | oh hey Marife...there you are! |
| 09:15 | mafe | hello @rletada @cherryW @sandeep_c :) and to all... |
| 09:15 | sandeep_c | for first time users: how to use meetbot is http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot |
| 09:15 | CherryW | Hi Everyone! |
| 09:15 | rletada | sorry sandeep, didnt see your message |
| 09:16 | sandeep_c | no worries..let's wait five min? |
| 09:16 | rletada | sure |
| 09:16 | CherryW | ok |
| 09:16 | sandeep_c | i'm practicing during the next few messages..pls ignore |
| 09:17 | #info Introductions | |
| 09:19 | rletada | Jerome is on his way home |
| 09:20 | sandeep_c | Ok..let's start |
| 09:20 | rletada | he will be attending shortly.. |
| 09:20 | CherryW | Mel attending? |
| 09:20 | sandeep_c | I'll go through the agenda, anyone feel free to add items to the minutes by typing #info |
| 09:21 | Mel had to leave | |
| 09:21 | she has set us up with a bot for minutes and a log | |
| 09:22 | rletada | ahhh I see..ok |
| 09:22 | ok shall we proceed? | |
| 09:22 | sandeep_c | I'll go through the agenda on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC[…]lippines/Meetings |
| 09:23 | Everyone know each other? | |
| 09:24 | rletada | well Ive spoken to every single one of you |
| 09:24 | but shall we do quick intro for the sake of the minutes? | |
| 09:24 | CherryW | sure |
| 09:24 | rletada | go ahead Cherry! |
| 09:25 | CherryW | Still thinking |
| 09:26 | rletada | hmm, i am not sure if my connection is acting up |
| 09:27 | sandeep_c | i can read yoiu |
| 09:27 | rletada | ahh ok.. |
| 09:27 | CherryW | Well, my name is Cherry and I'm a self proclaim geek. I initially joined OLPC Philippines for the purpose of sharpening my programming skills as well as learn how open source development organizations work. |
| 09:28 | rletada | great, my name is Ryan, and I am researcher studying mass evictions/displacement of urban poor communities due to infrastructure development project in the philippines. |
| 09:28 | sandeep_c | pls type #info prior to the message for it to be captured in the minutes. |
| 09:28 | CherryW | Though this is not the role I'm currently seeing myself in, I'm excited to see that I can be a apart of this organization from its inception (or early inception) I should say. |
| 09:28 | rletada | ahhh I see..still getting use to it |
| 09:29 | #info great, my name is Ryan, and I am researcher studying mass evictions/displacement of urban poor communities due to infrastructure development project in the philippines. | |
| 09:29 | CherryW | #info Well, my name is Cherry and I'm a self proclaim geek. I initially joined OLPC Philippines for the purpose of sharpening my programming skills as well as learn how open source development organizations work. Though this is not the role I'm currently seeing myself in, I'm excited to see that I can be a apart of this organization from its inception (or ear |
| 09:30 | sandeep_c | #info Sandeep here. Been interested in OLPC since Red Hat joined the initiative in 2005. Very happy to see progress in the Philippines, my home! |
| 09:30 | rletada | #info I believe in the vision of OLPC and what it can do for the less-privileged peoples of the philippines, so thats why i am here.. |
| 09:30 | where is mafe byda way? | |
| 09:31 | CherryW | she's here...just turned idle |
| 09:31 | rletada | ahhh ok, didnt know that was an option |
| 09:31 | anyways, if mafe or anyone else would like to introduce themselves? | |
| 09:32 | sandeep_c | no response...mafe can do an intro when she's back |
| 09:32 | rletada | ok great.. |
| 09:33 | CherryW | intro...sandeep? |
| 09:33 | mafe | #info I'm mafe in the past I've worked as a teacher then cross-over into IT now i'm pursuing a PM cerification. Been mostly involved in Open Source advocacy in the Philippines ...doing events and training to universities... |
| 09:33 | rletada | sandeep did his.. |
| 09:33 | ahh great! | |
| 09:34 | sandeep_c | even happier to know that we have open source advocates here! |
| 09:35 | mafe | #info im currently into Open Education and been participating in OLPC HQ as volunteer ... |
| 09:36 | sandeep_c | Good to know. How long are you at OLPC HQ? |
| 09:36 | mafe | 5 months... |
| 09:36 | sandeep_c | Ok. Hope to catch up in person when you get back |
| 09:37 | mafe | im happy to know that a group is about to start in the PI |
| 09:38 | sandeep_c | we're getting there...proceeding to next item |
| 09:38 | mafe | I always believe in sharing, learning and technology... |
| 09:38 | sandeep_c | #info 2. Update on Action Items |
| 09:39 | rletada | well I sent everyone drafts of possible mission statements for the organization |
| 09:39 | mafe | yes...have you noted some of our comments...? |
| 09:40 | sandeep_c | #info rletada sent everyone drafts of possible mission statements for the organization |
| 09:40 | rletada | #info we can use these draft mission statements as a basis of discussion as we define who we are as organization |
| 09:40 | CherryW | #info Worked with an initial draft for Division of Labor. |
| 09:41 | mafe | which one from the draft has more votes....or comments? |
| 09:41 | rletada | #info once we get into discussing model for deployment, I also created an organizational map that can be possibly used as a framework, or at least used for a basis of discussion |
| 09:42 | CherryW | #info Still working on names for the organization. Will post this in wiki and try to poll members. |
| 09:42 | rletada | #info well there was really no clear winner. Only options 2 and 3 were discussed in the email thread |
| 09:42 | mafe | #info which one from the draft has more votes....or comments? |
| 09:42 | sandeep_c | So what are the names left? |
| 09:42 | CherryW | #info count me in for option 2 |
| 09:43 | rletada | ahh ok, if you guys, I can explain my thought process |
| 09:43 | CherryW | The list is constantly changing. |
| 09:43 | mafe | #info hahaha I forgot which one I chose... |
| 09:43 | rletada | and why I chose certain wording, |
| 09:43 | and why they different from one another | |
| 09:44 | sandeep_c | What's option 2 and 3...sorry been away for the past 4 days |
| 09:44 | rletada | but I guess we can talk about this when we go to the next agenda item |
| 09:45 | CherryW | #info I do propose for a more expanded vision with a vehicles on how we're planning to deliver the mission. |
| 09:45 | #info Immediate one would be OLPC/Sugar driven. | |
| 09:45 | rletada | #info Option 2:Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities in technologically underserved and economically disadvantaged communities through open source, technological innovations for the empowerment of Filipino youth. |
| 09:46 | #info option 3 - Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities through open source technological innovations for the benefit of Filipino youth. Drawing from a childs natural talents and intellectual prowess, we seek to empower children to become agents of change towards the betterment of themselves and their communities. | |
| 09:47 | CherryW | #info Anyone think "technological innovations" is too broad/narrow? |
| 09:47 | mafe | I'm fine with the Option 2 ...anything that evolve around this... |
| 09:47 | sandeep_c | #info Do we limit ourselves to underserved and disadvantaged? |
| 09:48 | rletada | #info that is a great point sandeep |
| 09:48 | CherryW | #info I agree with Meg on option 3. The second sentence is too wordy. But did you want to say "constructivist" approach to learning? |
| 09:49 | rletada | #info if you notice, this is one difference between the proposed statements. As I wrote these mission statement, I truly kept in mind, what were are values/principles are as an organization.. |
| 09:50 | mafe | yes ..me too i find it too wordy |
| 09:50 | rletada | #info what are we and what we are not - what will drive our organization - one clear value/principle that we all seem to agree upon is that we are open source, |
| 09:50 | sandeep_c | #info How about 'Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities through open source, technological innovations and _______ for _______' |
| 09:51 | mafe | can we look for another term for underserved |
| 09:53 | sandeep_c | Reason I'm not too comfortable with underserved -- it could be through can-afford kids that the OLPC gets piloted in the Philippines |
| 09:53 | CherryW | #info I like Sandeep's wording. We can put an expanded version in the vision statement that say's "our immediate goal is to provide opportunities to underserved and economically...." |
| 09:53 | rletada | #info - another value we might want to think about is "inclusiveness'..if we are an inclusive group, then we cannot just limit this to just the underprivileged..check out or google "inclusive excellence" or achieving academic excellence through diversity or inclusiveness regardless of race.class, gender, etc |
| 09:54 | #info - not to be too academic, but its something to think about since its an emerging philosophy in liberal arts/academia.. | |
| 09:54 | but anyways | |
| 09:55 | mafe | im thinking about like an open learning opportunities...for every filipino kids... |
| 09:55 | sandeep_c | Open learning as in on-line? |
| 09:55 | mafe | focusing on less privileged kids |
| 09:56 | CherryW | #info no. Open learning as in open source. |
| 09:57 | #info Sugar doesn't have to be on-line to avail of free sources/ text books, materials that an open community worked on. | |
| 09:57 | mafe | @sandeep it's just one way of saying our framework... |
| 09:58 | open source din ...because Open Education is another advocacy... | |
| 09:58 | :) | |
| 09:58 | sandeep_c | #info -- Got it. So we agree on 2 things in the mission: open source and tech. innovation. Is the third item learning innovation ie this will not limit us to constructivist |
| 09:59 | rletada | i dont think that will limit us |
| 09:59 | mafe | but the constructivist thing ....is I think will be very helpful to Filipino children.... |
| 09:59 | but yes I agree it will not limit us | |
| 09:59 | CherryW | #info I'm hoping for some level of constructivism. Having grown up in Phil. system...things are fed by adults |
| 10:00 | sandeep_c | #info How's this: "Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities through open source, technological innovations and constructivist learning for ______?" |
| 10:00 | CherryW | #info Sugar works best on a constructivist approach |
| 10:01 | #info Filipino youth? | |
| 10:01 | rletada | but yes what about other innovation that doesnt neccessarily directly use the constructivist philosophy...like the Nintendo DS or shiftables.. |
| 10:01 | mafe | @ryan what was your overall draft for the mission |
| 10:01 | you have like a summary of all..the draft option | |
| 10:02 | rletada | this one: option 4: Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities in technologically underserved and economically disadvantaged communities through open source, technological innovations for the benefit of Filipino youth. Drawing from a childs natural talents and intellectual prowess, we seek to empower children to become agents of change towards the b |
| 10:02 | CherryW | Well....Nintendo DS is played independently by the child...right? Have to look into this more. |
| 10:03 | rletada | Option 1: Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities through open source, technological innovations for the empowerment of Filipino youth |
| 10:03 | #info how bout for empowerment of Filipino youth | |
| 10:03 | mafe | im not really into that...im after the DS interface that can be applied to XO |
| 10:04 | XO is already a great machine...we just need to enhance some activities that's appropriate to Filipino setting... | |
| 10:05 | CherryW | would the teachers be feeding the lessons? I think as long as the teaching method encourages more student input.. |
| 10:06 | also, can we affect DS apps...would it be considered open source? | |
| 10:06 | sandeep_c | #info I like the revised Option 1. Can we can insert "learning" so that it reads --- ...technological and learning innovations <- this would capture new thoughts about learning |
| 10:07 | mafe | Im talking about this...Our vision is to transform Filipino youth into 21st century learners, who are digitally literate, critical thinkers, and productive members of society through open source technology. In doing so, learners will be better prepared to tackle the challenges of an increasingly competitive job market and globalised world as well, as become |
| 10:07 | rletada | ahhh alright..the proposed vision |
| 10:07 | mafe | this was the proposed vision |
| 10:07 | yup | |
| 10:08 | sandeep_c | test |
| 10:08 | mafe | im just hesitant to these words transform |
| 10:08 | rletada | yea, inserting that would be great..it balances the "technology aspects" and emphasizes our educational aspect |
| 10:08 | "we are not a laptop project, we are education project" | |
| 10:08 | mafe | yes.. |
| 10:08 | sandeep_c | Yes |
| 10:09 | mafe | same with OLPC mission |
| 10:09 | sandeep_c | Ok..Do we have the mission Ryan? |
| 10:09 | CherryW | #info I like the revised option 1 as well. |
| 10:09 | mafe | ok so what's the final mission |
| 10:09 | CherryW | we can talk about expanding the vision later. |
| 10:10 | mafe | ry..did you get all the suggestion...:) i like sandeep technological and learning innovation |
| 10:10 | rletada | #info Our mission is to enahnce educational opportunities through open source, technological innovations and learning for the empowerment of Filipino youth. |
| 10:10 | CherryW | Jerrome can chime in on whether Nin. DS has some level of open sourceness to it. |
| 10:10 | rletada | sorry |
| 10:11 | #inf Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities through open source, technological and learning innovations for the empowerment of Filipino youth. | |
| 10:11 | how bout that? | |
| 10:11 | CherryW | works for me |
| 10:11 | mafe | let's put aside the DS and thing first |
| 10:11 | sandeep_c | Don't mean to nitpick...would "youth in the Philippines" be more inclusive than "Filipino youth?" |
| 10:12 | mafe | I agree... |
| 10:12 | rletada | agreed.. |
| 10:12 | CherryW | agreed |
| 10:12 | rletada | ok so here it is: |
| 10:12 | sandeep_c | drumroll... |
| 10:13 | rletada | #info Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities through open source, technological and learning innovations for the empowerment of youth in the Philippines. |
| 10:13 | sandeep_c | #info Agreed. |
| 10:13 | rletada | What do you think guys? |
| 10:13 | CherryW | does this include the young at heart? At what grade level are we limiting this to? sorry...nitpicking as well. |
| 10:13 | We can talk about it on vision. Sorry. | |
| 10:13 | mafe | the youth is something that Im not comfortable with |
| 10:14 | rletada | children? |
| 10:14 | mafe | how about children |
| 10:14 | we're on the same phase | |
| 10:14 | CherryW | I like youth.. we just have to figure out the maximum grade on vision. |
| 10:14 | mafe | filipino children |
| 10:14 | jsgotangco | youth is classified till age of 35 in the philippines |
| 10:14 | mafe | yep |
| 10:14 | rletada | really? hmm |
| 10:15 | jsgotangco | yup that makes me still young |
| 10:15 | :) | |
| 10:15 | mafe | seconded :) |
| 10:15 | i like filipino children... | |
| 10:15 | CherryW | :-) I'm still youthful. No seriously do we then include early college courses or do we stop at elementary/HS? |
| 10:15 | mafe | in PI children is until age 18 and 21 |
| 10:15 | lol | |
| 10:16 | jsgotangco | youth is generally associated with something political here |
| 10:16 | mafe | let's concentrate on the critical foundation |
| 10:16 | which is pre-school to elementary | |
| 10:16 | high school they have more freedom to explore learning | |
| 10:17 | on their own | |
| 10:17 | CherryW | ok...this will set up apart from other programs inthe Philippines. |
| 10:17 | agree | |
| 10:17 | sandeep_c | From OLPC wab page: " The mission of One Laptop per Child (OLPC) is to empower the children of developing countries to learn by providing one connected laptop to every school-age child |
| 10:17 | jsgotangco | there are organizations locally focusing on high school because they are potential workers after |
| 10:17 | (like gilas and smart schools) | |
| 10:17 | mafe | right |
| 10:18 | rletada | ok shall we replace youth with children |
| 10:18 | jsgotangco | in my previous work at the foundation, we focus on children until age 12 |
| 10:18 | mafe | i agree |
| 10:18 | CherryW | I agree with children |
| 10:19 | mafe | yep let's focus on 5-12 or 13 |
| 10:19 | sandeep_c | agree...we don't need to define 'children' now |
| 10:19 | rletada | #info Our mission is to enhance educational opportunities through open source, technological and learning innovations for the empowerment of the children in the Philippines. |
| 10:20 | mafe | can we use FIlipino children |
| 10:20 | CherryW | this limits the ethnicity to Filipino...we have immigrants in the Phil. |
| 10:20 | rletada | yea exactly |
| 10:20 | mafe | okies |
| 10:20 | agree | |
| 10:21 | sandeep_c | thank you..i have been included:) |
| 10:21 | rletada | hahaha!! |
| 10:21 | So we have a mission statement? | |
| 10:21 | mafe | hahahaha! sorry ...i don't mean to ... |
| 10:21 | shoot | |
| 10:21 | sandeep_c | no worries...i'm more Filipino than Ryan:) |
| 10:21 | CherryW | You're an adopted Pinoy! Isn't your better half pinoy? |
| 10:21 | rletada | exactly! |
| 10:22 | bernie | what meeting is this? |
| 10:22 | rletada | no really, Sandeep is right..he is more Filipino I am.. |
| 10:22 | sandeep_c | Yes Cherry...Bernie: 'OLPC Philippines' |
| 10:23 | bernie | oh good |
| 10:23 | we'll move to #sugar-meeting2 then... conference rooms are for free here | |
| 10:23 | rletada | thanks |
| 10:23 | bernie | ppound, chrowe: -> #sugar-meeting2 |
| 10:23 | rletada | alright, so its final then..can I get the confirmation then? |
| 10:23 | CherryW | so we have a final draft? Do we present it first to OLPC listing or do we move to vote to finalize it with the group |
| 10:23 | mafe | that would be awesome...thanks @bernie |
| 10:24 | CherryW | thanks bernie |
| 10:24 | #info Move to approve final draft of mission statement. All in favor? | |
| 10:25 | sandeep_c | #info Yes |
| 10:25 | rletada | #info yes |
| 10:25 | mafe | #info hayk |
| 10:25 | jsgotangco | what's with the hash tag |
| 10:25 | for logging? | |
| 10:25 | CherryW | yep |
| 10:26 | sandeep_c | how to use meetbot is http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot |
| 10:26 | CherryW | jerome what's your vote? |
| 10:27 | jsgotangco | #info yes |
| 10:28 | CherryW | Are we going to talk about visions today or shall we move to teams? |
| 10:28 | sandeep_c | #info So we have a mission!! Should we move to agenda 3.1 Name? |
| 10:28 | CherryW | #info Move to strike logo out of the agenda for a later meeting. |
| 10:28 | mafe | yay! |
| 10:29 | CherryW | It's premature. |
| 10:29 | rletada | #info I think we should wait on that.. |
| 10:29 | sandeep_c | #action Strike logo from agenda. |
| 10:30 | rletada | #info we still have a lot of possible names on the list that we need to narrow down, lets open it to everyone for voting or for any suggestions.. |
| 10:31 | mafe | #info agree... |
| 10:31 | sandeep_c | #topic Names |
| 10:31 | CherryW | #info Are you moving to strike "Names" out of the agenda Ryan? |
| 10:31 | mafe | #topic what about with names? |
| 10:32 | rletada | #info yes |
| 10:33 | sandeep_c | Everyone agree to move names to next meeting? |
| 10:33 | CherryW | #info Let's try to brainstorm the names off-line, I'll set up a poll on wiki for the top 5. |
| 10:33 | a week from now...is that good? | |
| 10:33 | sandeep_c | #info OK |
| 10:33 | CherryW | #info I second that. |
| 10:33 | rletada | #info ok |
| 10:34 | CherryW | Should we talk about models then? |
| 10:34 | rletada | sure, I think the teams would be part of the model |
| 10:34 | jsgotangco | hmmm |
| 10:34 | sandeep_c | #agreed Take Names off agenda for off-line brainstorm |
| 10:35 | CherryW | penny for yoru thoughts Jerome? |
| 10:35 | jsgotangco | hash tags distract me a lot that's all :) |
| 10:36 | sandeep_c | Sorry dude...there must be an easy way but i don't know how:( |
| 10:36 | mafe | lol |
| 10:36 | jsgotangco | hehe |
| 10:36 | its a debian meetbot, no choice | |
| 10:36 | rletada | hahah |
| 10:36 | CherryW | oh well. let's move to the next topic shall we? |
| 10:36 | sandeep_c | hash coming up... |
| 10:37 | mafe | where are we? |
| 10:37 | CherryW | Models |
| 10:37 | sandeep_c | #info Agenda item 4 - Model to adopt |
| 10:37 | #info There are 4 samples -- everyone has the list? | |
| 10:38 | mafe | ok model...my take is either wave or olenepal |
| 10:38 | CherryW | #info I need clarification on number 4: Boston Models |
| 10:39 | mafe | but since Olenepal is really a huge thing...then i'll go for wave similar... |
| 10:39 | CherryW | Anyone know what they're doing in Boston? |
| 10:40 | mafe | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Boston_pilots |
| 10:40 | jsgotangco | no sorry |
| 10:40 | rletada | can I get a clarification on what type of model are we talking about here |
| 10:40 | are we talking about organizational model | |
| 10:40 | or are we talking about deployment model | |
| 10:40 | ? | |
| 10:40 | jsgotangco | for simplicity and having more scalable, I prefer waveplace |
| 10:41 | mafe | me too... |
| 10:42 | sandeep_c | Good point Ryan...the models we have are all deployment-related. |
| 10:42 | mafe | then we can just creat our deployment model basing from some successful dep that happened around olpc |
| 10:42 | jsgotangco | i thought that was the idea :P |
| 10:42 | CherryW | The boston deployments seem to be headed by the teachers themselves?? I just read it quickly. |
| 10:43 | mafe | ok (pano ba yang icon na yan jerome):) |
| 10:43 | so do we stick to waveplace... | |
| 10:44 | CherryW | #info Boston Model: These teams work with deployment schools through a loop team (short for in-the-loop team) which coordinates and facilitates projects, contracts, and contact between loop teams |
| 10:44 | sandeep_c | It allows for a 'cloud' that supports various deployments depending on the degree required |
| 10:44 | rletada | hey guys, I just sent u an email |
| 10:44 | CherryW | #info continuation.. "and the deployment classrooms under the direction of the deployment leader (a teacher at the deployment school). " |
| 10:45 | forgot the first part:"The Boston pilot system is based on a coalition of local support teams, independently functioning groups dedicated to performing a particular role (for example, laptop repair, server administration, or curriculum consulting) for deployment in a given geographic area." | |
| 10:46 | rletada | #info its what I had in mind, taking into conversation our conversation regarding community, the OLPC headquarters structure, waveplace deployment, as well as aspects of deployment models from Worldwide Workshop Organization |
| 10:46 | CherryW | isn't this what we want to do? |
| 10:47 | Ryan...your last "info" is that from your e-mail? | |
| 10:47 | mafe | my take is we cannot really adopt certain deployment model like of a developing country for one we have a unique or different culture & environment... |
| 10:47 | CherryW | or should I say with regards to your e-mail or is it with regards to Boston Model? |
| 10:47 | rletada | that regarding a powerpoint from my email |
| 10:48 | mafe | maybe a mixture of certain deployments that's adaptable for us... |
| 10:48 | rletada | its a lot to take in..but what do you guys think, I can explain certain things.. |
| 10:48 | and its certainly not final - its just a possible framework.. | |
| 10:49 | mafe | @rletada...I like the small -medium dep |
| 10:49 | isn't why we like wave | |
| 10:49 | rletada | yea its what waveplace is doing |
| 10:49 | and what World Wide Workshop is doing as well | |
| 10:50 | mafe | and we have also the flexibility on the tech |
| 10:50 | and tools | |
| 10:50 | CherryW | is this how Boston is doing it? It looks simmilar |
| 10:50 | mafe | Wave is |
| 10:50 | rletada | #info each region or small to regional deployment are supported by local organizations/ a board of directors that will ensure sustainability through continuous fundings/ and other forms of partners |
| 10:51 | mafe | im also studying OLPC france grassroots |
| 10:51 | jsgotangco | my connection is crap at the moment |
| 10:51 | lagging hard | |
| 10:51 | might drop | |
| 10:52 | mafe | ok me too... |
| 10:52 | CherryW | #info Would there be a need then for an "encompassing" organization? |
| 10:52 | #info If so, what would be it's role? | |
| 10:53 | rletada | #info the blue aspects is how most of these formal organizations are structured..its jsut an example.. |
| 10:53 | CherryW | Sorry...I can't open the document in it's original form. |
| 10:53 | sandeep_c | Ryan: Is there another format? Pls send me later... |
| 10:54 | rletada | umm yes, hold on |
| 10:54 | CherryW | Powerpoint is not letting me do so. I could only see the text. |
| 10:54 | mafe | open it in google docs |
| 10:54 | che | |
| 10:54 | CherryW | hmmn...that's what I'm doing...I tried both html and download. |
| 10:54 | mafe | recap what we've agreed on? |
| 10:55 | open it as google docs are you using gmail? | |
| 10:56 | rletada | I am sending it as a jpg |
| 10:56 | CherryW | hmnm...no option for google docs...just says "html" and "download" |
| 10:56 | thanks | |
| 10:57 | rletada | sent! |
| 10:57 | sandeep_c | #info Ryan re-sending model document. Let's have a hard stop at 11. |
| 10:57 | CherryW | please post on wiki as well |
| 10:57 | rletada | ok will do |
| 10:57 | CherryW | what time is it there? |
| 10:57 | mafe | yes... |
| 10:58 | sandeep_c | Same time but pm |
| 10:58 | sorry...10:57PM | |
| 10:58 | mafe | can you post that to wiki as like the boston wiki |
| 10:58 | CherryW | ah ok. |
| 10:58 | rletada | post the document? |
| 10:59 | mafe | @sandeep you're thinking of my time...:) |
| 10:59 | yes... | |
| 10:59 | sandeep_c | We can extend a bit until we get clarification on the model... |
| 10:59 | mafe | would you like me to structured it in wiki |
| 10:59 | i can do that | |
| 10:59 | rletada | sure |
| 10:59 | no problem | |
| 11:00 | CherryW | I'm concerned about having two main groups on top |
| 11:00 | sandeep_c | In the model, who are we? |
| 11:00 | mafe | which one |
| 11:00 | CherryW | in ryan's model |
| 11:00 | mafe | i don't think it's 2 groups |
| 11:00 | rletada | well it really depends on what do you want to be part of |
| 11:00 | I really suggest that you guys watch the sugarcamp youtube | |
| 11:01 | regarding community | |
| 11:01 | CherryW | ok...please clarify again what the orange part does? the Arrows |
| 11:01 | rletada | the two groups on top are the two different types of communities that exist |
| 11:01 | one on cyberspace and one in the philippines.. | |
| 11:01 | mafe | if i'm interpreting it right...it's just showing the groups that will be on top of this..but still will work as one |
| 11:02 | rletada | regarding ownership, our capacity will really be based on two of these communities.. |
| 11:02 | CherryW | The top BD/advisory board is their unifying group? |
| 11:03 | each sub-functionality from each of the 2 groups have a representative to the board of directors? | |
| 11:03 | mafe | should Ryan put another name on top of that...like OLPC-Ph |
| 11:03 | CherryW | let's log this conversation...might be beneficial for clarification |
| 11:03 | mafe | so there will be no confusion |
| 11:03 | CherryW | OLPC-PH (working title)? Let's not forget the "other" organization. |
| 11:04 | rletada | ok great , sandeep are we still stopping this meeting at 11 |
| 11:04 | CherryW | curious as to how that name was registered. |
| 11:04 | mafe | for the moment since we don't have yet an agreed name |
| 11:04 | CherryW | but that's another topic |
| 11:05 | sandeep_c | #info Let's stop at 11. |
| 11:05 | rletada | #info for me to give proper context regarding this model, I suggest everyone watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ3Ge9YeAys |
| 11:05 | CherryW | #info I have further questions. Would somebody stay for an off-line discussion? |
| 11:05 | sandeep_c | #info We'll need some time to digest this until the next meeting. |
| 11:05 | rletada | #info at least the first 3 parts of that |
| 11:06 | #info it will give you an idea of how the communities will play a vital role | |
| 11:06 | CherryW | #info. Thanks Ryan. |
| 11:06 | rletada | #info Sandeep, shall we at least set a tentative date for our next meeting? |
| 11:07 | sandeep_c | Understood. When do we want to continue the discussion? |
| 11:07 | CherryW | #info Should we set a proposal for the next meeting's time frame? |
| 11:07 | rletada | How bout sometime in the middle of this week or this coming weekend |
| 11:08 | #info I also have a meeting with Tim Falconer of Waveplace this Thursday, if anyone wants to join, please feel free to doso | |
| 11:08 | CherryW | #info ryan The Boston pilot system is based on a coalition of local support teams, independently functioning groups dedicated to performing a particular role (for example, laptop repair, server administration, or curriculum consulting) for deployment in a given geographic area. |
| 11:08 | #info sorry | |
| 11:08 | #info Ryan suggested mid of next week to next weekend as a time frame for next meeting. | |
| 11:09 | mafe | @ryan im interested on that ...I believe they're like an hr from my place |
| 11:09 | about wave meeting | |
| 11:09 | rletada | sure, I will send you the details..I am trying to learn as much about their model |
| 11:09 | sandeep_c | Ryan and I are meeting with Charles on June 25. Can we meet on July 1 -- and still continue clarifications via email? |
| 11:09 | rletada | and organizational structure..and their history |
| 11:10 | CherryW | Do we have a vote for next weekend? |
| 11:10 | mafe | @sandeep great |
| 11:10 | what's the time? | |
| 11:10 | sandeep_c | Can't..Going out of town. |
| 11:10 | CherryW | ah ok. |
| 11:11 | rletada | ok |
| 11:11 | CherryW | I can do sooner than July 1st |
| 11:11 | sandeep_c | While we're on the topic, is the preference to have regular meetings on Sunday or mid-week? |
| 11:11 | mafe | ok but let's continue the communication as Sandep suggested |
| 11:11 | CherryW | Anytime's fine with me. |
| 11:12 | rletada | I would prefer mid-week |
| 11:12 | mafe | me too.. |
| 11:12 | CherryW | me too |
| 11:12 | although Sundays early am is good for me too. | |
| 11:13 | mafe and Ryan....do you have time to brainstorm names? | |
| 11:13 | sandeep_c | Ok. So is it June 24 or July 1? |
| 11:13 | rletada | June 24 |
| 11:13 | CherryW | i can do june 24 6am again |
| 11:13 | mafe and Ryan....do you have time to brainstorm names? | |
| 11:14 | rletada | yea little bit more time |
| 11:14 | also for our next meetingL can split up different organizations | |
| 11:14 | and learn about their different deployment models? | |
| 11:14 | CherryW | #info Proposed next meeting June 24th same time. |
| 11:14 | rletada | like someone get OLE Nepal, I will get waveplace |
| 11:14 | sandeep_c | #info Agenda 5. Next meeting scheduled for June 24, 9PM Manila time (6AM PST) |
| 11:15 | rletada | someone tackle OLPC Australia? |
| 11:15 | mafe | ok |
| 11:15 | i'll get it... | |
| 11:15 | :) | |
| 11:15 | CherryW | cool! |
| 11:16 | sandeep_c | Do you have OLE Nepal Cherry? |
| 11:16 | CherryW | #info Move to end this meeting. All in favor? |
| 11:16 | I'll take OLE Nepal | |
| 11:16 | mafe | yes |
| 11:16 | sandeep_c | yes |
| 11:16 | rletada | yes |
| 11:16 | sandeep_c | #endmeeting |
| 11:17 | mafe | ok great day & night thanks... |
| 11:17 | CherryW | do you want to stay here or move to gmail? |
| 11:17 | mafe | bye! |
| 11:17 | rletada | we can move to gmail |
| 11:17 | sandeep, I will contact you soon | |
| 11:17 | to get your thoughts on that document, and about charles.. | |
| 11:18 | have a great night | |
| 11:18 | CherryW | same to all |
| 11:18 | sandeep_c | Ok..Thanks all! |
| 11:18 | CherryW | mafe are you joining? |
| 10:01 | homunq_ | Hi people |
| 10:01 | BryanWB | homunq_: hello jefe |
| 10:01 | homunq_ | can somebody else run the meeting today? |
| 10:02 | I am getting on a bus to Nicaragua in 80 minutes. | |
| 10:02 | BryanWB | homunq_: i can do it |
| 10:02 | homunq_: is there a place i should stick the minutes? | |
| 10:03 | homunq_ | just do startmeeting and endmeeting |
| 10:03 | BryanWB | starmeeting |
| 10:03 | homunq_ | the minutes are logged by time. |
| 10:03 | bernie | BryanWB: with a hash in front of it |
| 10:03 | homunq_ | you need #startmeeting with the hash and the t |
| 10:03 | bernie | BryanWB: on on! |
| 10:04 | BryanWB | homunq_: and they get dumped to the wiki? |
| 10:04 | bernie: nerdy nipples! on on! | |
| 10:04 | bernie | haha |
| 10:04 | homunq_ | the bot tells you the URL of the minutes list |
| 10:04 | when you #endmeeting | |
| 10:04 | bernie | homunq_: dogi set it up, he rocks |
| 10:04 | BryanWB | homunq_: |
| 10:04 | homunq_: ok | |
| 10:05 | dogi: tks dogi | |
| 10:05 | if you are here pls say "aye" | |
| 10:06 | roll call | |
| 10:06 | subzero | hey guys, what's up? |
| 10:06 | BryanWB | aa: welcome |
| 10:06 | aa | hi! |
| 10:07 | BryanWB | aa: is vamsi around? |
| 10:07 | bemasc? walter? lucian? silbe? | |
| 10:07 | silbe | is listening |
| 10:08 | lucian_ | is around |
| 10:08 | BryanWB | lucian: walterbender u r up |
| 10:09 | what's the status since last week | |
| 10:09 | lucian_ | i've polished SSB creation a bit |
| 10:09 | walterbender | is here |
| 10:09 | lucian_ | now bundles get installed properly and creating an SSB works from inside an existing SSB quite well |
| 10:09 | the version increases and all that | |
| 10:10 | walterbender | +1 |
| 10:10 | homunq_ | BryanWB: you still didn't #startmeeting |
| 10:10 | BryanWB | homunq_: damn |
| 10:10 | #startmeeting | |
| 10:10 | lucian_ | i can just paste what i said |
| 10:10 | BryanWB | bemasc: welcome |
| 10:10 | homunq_ | #help |
| 10:10 | BryanWB | #help |
| 10:10 | walterbender | wonders who left the meeting on... |
| 10:11 | homunq_ | meeting, help |
| 10:11 | grrr. | |
| 10:11 | lucian_ | can't someone else end that meeting? |
| 10:11 | homunq_ | #endmeeting |
| 10:11 | nope | |
| 10:11 | BryanWB | is sorry that is he is clueless to irc meta-management |
| 10:11 | subzero | homunq_: maybe bernie?? |
| 10:11 | homunq_ | OK, forget it. |
| 10:11 | let's just meet. | |
| 10:11 | bernie | #endmeeting |
| 10:11 | not me | |
| 10:11 | walterbender | #endmeeting |
| 10:11 | homunq_ | heh |
| 10:12 | BryanWB | #endmeeting |
| 10:12 | lucian_ | #meetingyousuck |
| 10:12 | walterbender | j'accuse Sean :) |
| 10:12 | BryanWB | let's all #endmeeting |
| 10:12 | subzero | bernie: sorry, I thought you were something like root |
| 10:12 | bernie | mchua: you! |
| 10:12 | BryanWB | subzero: bernie is root |
| 10:12 | subzero | #endmeeting |
| 10:12 | bernie | dogi: when the bot gets stuck, is there some admin command we can use to recover? |
| 10:13 | subzero | BryanWB: :o |
| 10:13 | dogi | hi bernie |
| 10:13 | bernie | BryanWB: it's not mine, it's dogi's |
| 10:13 | BryanWB | bernie: u r the root of all roots |
| 10:13 | bernie | dogi: can you override mel's #startmeeting on #sugar-meeting? |
| 10:13 | dogi | sure by restarting it |
| 10:14 | #endmeeting | |
| 10:14 | look it is the same for me | |
| 10:14 | hi BryanWB u are the master of meeting bot | |
| 10:15 | bemasc | dogi: we need a #endmeetingminus9 command... but for now, could you just restart it? |
| 10:15 | oh | |
| 10:15 | BryanWB | dogi: ?? |
| 10:15 | #endmeeting | |
| 10:15 | mchua | #endmeeting |