| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 10:03 | homunq | quick roll call... |
| 10:03 | bemasc | is here |
| 10:03 | homunq | silbe bemasc lucian iwikiwi subzero BryanWB |
| 10:03 | iwikiwi | yep here |
| 10:03 | lucian | homunq: here |
| 10:03 | silbe | is listening |
| 10:03 | BryanWB | homunq: here |
| 10:03 | homunq | walterbender aa |
| 10:04 | aa | hola! |
| 10:05 | homunq | OK, who wants to run the meeting today? |
| 10:05 | subzero | homunq: here |
| 10:05 | mchua | is here |
| 10:05 | iwikiwi | aa: should we start? |
| 10:06 | homunq | #topic iwikiwi aa karma |
| 10:06 | aa | s/karma/print/ |
| 10:06 | iwikiwi: go ahead :) | |
| 10:07 | iwikiwi | okay, we had been having lots of problems with the moodle side, but thankfully martin had took his time, and we have a clear procedure to follow |
| 10:07 | on the coding side, a coupla bug fixes to print, and making xml-rpc work | |
| 10:07 | blogged it | |
| 10:08 | http://materializingsweetness.wordpress.com/ | |
| 10:08 | I estimate in 2 and half weeks moodle side should be done with good | |
| 10:09 | walterbender | is here |
| 10:09 | lucian | walterbender: hey |
| 10:09 | aa | I think it might take a bit longer |
| 10:09 | but that's ok | |
| 10:10 | iwikiwi | hmm, i guess it could, we need to be in touch with martin regularly |
| 10:10 | homunq | my only recommendation is not to put all the bells and whistles on moodle until you've finished the rest |
| 10:11 | I mean, "finished" the first draft. | |
| 10:11 | get something working then move on for now. | |
| 10:11 | that will also let you block on Martin less - of course, always make time to talk to him when he has time. | |
| 10:12 | aa | homunq: that was my recommendation as well |
| 10:12 | iwikiwi | aa, homunq, so for now I get back to print? |
| 10:12 | aa | but we also want to deliver something that works asap |
| 10:12 | homunq | iwikiwi: get the basics done in moodle |
| 10:13 | aa | and take some feedback |
| 10:13 | homunq | but try to draw the line. |
| 10:13 | iwikiwi | oh okay, i already have a inferior model up |
| 10:13 | that is its under assignments as opposed to directly under modules | |
| 10:14 | so its one more layer down the heirarchy | |
| 10:14 | I could always go back to it as fallback | |
| 10:14 | s/a/an | |
| 10:14 | homunq | ok. |
| 10:15 | aa | writing a module is not that harder than writing an assignment, but thats ok if you already have it |
| 10:15 | homunq | It sounds as if you're doing OK, keep it up |
| 10:15 | #topic lucian walterbender | |
| 10:15 | lucian | homunq: i've been playing around with Browse and how I could integrate SSBs into sugar |
| 10:16 | i have rather primitive 'create ssb' in Browse right now | |
| 10:16 | SSBs are just copies of Browse with an extra toolbar | |
| 10:16 | but i have run into various trouble with trying to replicate an activity | |
| 10:16 | walterbender | (Rainbow) |
| 10:17 | lucian | walterbender: yes, mostly that |
| 10:17 | tomeu | lucian: we can spend some time later in #sugar if you want |
| 10:17 | lucian | after a chat with bemasc, i've decided to allow the SSBs to create copies of themselves |
| 10:17 | basically like curry-ing functions | |
| 10:17 | so users can make an SSB and customise it with sugar-specific functionality | |
| 10:18 | and after customisation, they can create an .xo with all the customisation bundled in | |
| 10:18 | so they can put it on activities.sugarlabs.org or share it | |
| 10:18 | i've blogged about this a bit, i'll blog some more | |
| 10:18 | homunq | how do they customize it? Develop??? |
| 10:18 | link | |
| 10:18 | lucian | honeyweb.wordpress.com |
| 10:19 | homunq: no, they use the extra toolbar in SSBs | |
| 10:19 | they never get to see python code | |
| 10:19 | they can (or will be able to) add userscripts (greasemonkey), userstyles (custom css) and bookmarklets | |
| 10:19 | there will be 'add script' buttons and such | |
| 10:19 | homunq | OK |
| 10:20 | bemasc | (javascripts, css, and javascript, respectively) |
| 10:20 | lucian | yes |
| 10:20 | it will for example allow a user to make a GMail activity without seeing python code or fumbling about with creating .xo files | |
| 10:20 | and functionally, the activity will rival or surpass the existing GMail activity let's say | |
| 10:21 | so for all this to happen, there are still some pieces that need to be solved | |
| 10:21 | greasemonkey, javascript-dbus and global bookmarks (as opposed to the current session bookmarks) | |
| 10:22 | javascript-dbus and global bookmarks i've looked into, it shouldn't be too hard | |
| 10:22 | bemasc | lucian: global bookmarks? |
| 10:22 | oh, you mean stored-in-an-SSB bookmarks. | |
| 10:22 | lucian | bemasc: not really, for Browse |
| 10:22 | bemasc: it's on the Browse roadmap for 0.86 | |
| 10:22 | bemasc | disapproves. |
| 10:23 | lucian | bemasc: i mean bookmarks not stored in the Journal session, but in the activity settings/preferences |
| 10:23 | homunq | i have to agree with bemasc, though not authoritatively. |
| 10:23 | bemasc | Yeah. I think that's a bad idea, but it's not my decision. |
| 10:23 | Anyway, don't let me derail the meeting train. | |
| 10:23 | lucian | http://erikos.sweettimez.de/?p=678 |
| 10:24 | bemasc: alright | |
| 10:24 | for my project, i can just store bookmarks in the SSB itself | |
| 10:24 | but i thought that since the functionality is due in 0.86, it would better to not reinvent it | |
| 10:25 | walterbender | lucian: I remain concerned about how a SSB will store other data in the Journal for access by non-browse activities... |
| 10:25 | homunq | don't depend on future work by anyone. |
| 10:25 | walterbender | lucian: a good set of examples would be helpful |
| 10:25 | lucian | walterbender: like files you mean? |
| 10:26 | walterbender | files or any data format... JSON |
| 10:26 | lucian | walterbender: that's rather easy, SSBs will simply offer download links |
| 10:26 | walterbender | lucian: a working example would be appreciated |
| 10:26 | bemasc | lucian: and sometimes those "downloads" will actually be entirely on the local machine? |
| 10:26 | lucian | walterbender: sure, i'll work on that |
| 10:26 | bemasc: yep | |
| 10:26 | bemasc | cool |
| 10:26 | homunq | OK, sorry, we have to move on. |
| 10:27 | lucian | bemasc: it's how google docs offline works for example |
| 10:27 | homunq | #topic homunq silbe versions |
| 10:27 | link and report? | |
| 10:27 | silbe | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/V[…]atastore/Progress |
| 10:28 | homunq | I saw your benchmarks. |
| 10:28 | silbe | i've been working on a benchmark to help choose a VCS backend |
| 10:28 | homunq | Do you have conclusions yet? |
| 10:29 | silbe | there has been further progress (the second run finished just a few minutes ago), still need some memory usage estimation |
| 10:29 | there are a few loosers but no clear winner | |
| 10:29 | it's all about compromises | |
| 10:29 | bemasc | silbe: are you sure you want to use an existing VCS? |
| 10:29 | homunq | what are your considerations besides speed? Do you care about python-ness? |
| 10:29 | silbe | darcs is the fastest but also takes a huge amount of disk space for example |
| 10:30 | homunq | sorry, I meant besides the benchmarkable... |
| 10:30 | silbe | bemasc: not sure yet, but might be the fastest way to go forward |
| 10:30 | tomeu | silbe: I was thinking we would start for something so simple that a vcs would be really overkill |
| 10:30 | bemasc | silbe: I find this approach very surprising, mostly because these VCSs typically have their differential compression algorithms hardwired. |
| 10:30 | homunq | I would ++ at least considering existing options. If you can have a format with existing tools outside sugar, that is worth a fair amount. |
| 10:30 | silbe | a python module would be great, but for the first prototype invoking CLI tools would suffice |
| 10:31 | bemasc | And they use line-based diff, which is useless for us. |
| 10:31 | homunq | bemasc, that is a very good point. |
| 10:31 | (not useless, but it covers small fraction of our use cases) | |
| 10:32 | tomeu | what I thought we would be doing inside the scope of this gsoc is "just" tracking the place of an entry inside its version tree and, perhaps, doing delta compression |
| 10:32 | silbe | actually the current benchmark results point toward inventing our own stuff, but i'd prefer encapsulating that in a module that can be easily replaced |
| 10:32 | homunq | absolutely. |
| 10:32 | bemasc | silbe: I'm all for a nice hard abstraction barrier, if you can make one. That would be really cool. |
| 10:33 | homunq | Inventing own overall (package-ish) format != inventing own diff algorithm and format. |
| 10:33 | lucian | about python-ness, mercurial can be used as a module afaik |
| 10:33 | silbe | homunq: exactly |
| 10:34 | tomeu | lucian: we have a prototype that did exactly that |
| 10:34 | lucian | tomeu: oh |
| 10:34 | tomeu | but had to implement its own scheme for delta compression anyway |
| 10:34 | because hg didn't had that | |
| 10:35 | homunq | OK. silbe, we have to continue this a bit after in #sugar. |
| 10:36 | silbe | To summarize: I think doing our own backend will be best long term, but using an existing VCS in the meantime will allow me to come up with working code faster |
| 10:36 | abstraction => can switch backends later | |
| 10:36 | homunq | (side-note: I'm running the meeting because I don't know if others can #topic....) |
| 10:37 | silbe: OK. In that case, go with whatever is easiest, drop the benchmarks now. | |
| 10:37 | They've told you what you need to know - homegrown is the long-term answer. | |
| 10:37 | silbe | ok |
| 10:38 | homunq | #topic subzero BryanWB |
| 10:38 | subzero | I'm still working with can & can't activity joining versions :S |
| 10:39 | homunq | link? |
| 10:39 | subzero | I have done the animated version and the everything else version, so now I'm having troubles joining both versions into one |
| 10:39 | about the problems: http://karmaproject.wordpress.[…]hat-little-beast/ | |
| 10:39 | the demo (need ff 3.5beta4+): http://karma.sugarlabs.org/can_cant/ | |
| 10:40 | the difficult part is the animation, I need to run js in parallel | |
| 10:40 | Bryan and kbrosnan (#firefox) has directed me to web workers | |
| 10:41 | BryanWB_ | sorry, the Internet just died for last 10 mins in my apt |
| 10:41 | subzero | BryanWB_: np |
| 10:41 | homunq | BryanWB_: you just started. I'll pm you the log of this topic |
| 10:41 | subzero | BryanWB_: I'm talkin homunq about the current problems with animation stuff |
| 10:41 | BryanWB_ | tks |
| 10:42 | homunq | web workers? |
| 10:42 | BryanWB_ | homunq: threads in js ;) |
| 10:43 | subzero | yep, for firefox |
| 10:43 | lucian talked me about WorkerPool (for chrome) | |
| 10:43 | homunq | so, this issue is inevitably browser-dependent? too bad. |
| 10:44 | BryanWB_ | subzero: lucian: i thought web workers were a standard |
| 10:44 | lucian | homunq: no, Gears has WorkerPool |
| 10:44 | BryanWB_: the WebWorkers are standard, but only lastest firefox&webkit have it | |
| 10:44 | subzero | lucian: my mistake, sorry |
| 10:44 | homunq | that's what I meant, each browser has it's own thing, no abstraction layer on top which hides the differences. |
| 10:44 | BryanWB_ | lucian: which is fine, since only the latest browsers support html5 anywars |
| 10:44 | lucian | the WorkerPool in Gears is for older browsers |
| 10:44 | subzero | yes, that's right |
| 10:45 | homunq | oh |
| 10:45 | heh, oops | |
| 10:45 | lucian | so basically WebWorkers in HTML5, WorkerPool in Gears for legacy |
| 10:46 | subzero | afaik |
| 10:46 | homunq | ok. is it doing the right tricks for you? |
| 10:46 | BryanWB_ | homunq: either chrome and mozilla will settle on a standard web worker api or js libraries like jQuery will build an abstraction that works across them |
| 10:46 | homunq | "will" :( |
| 10:46 | subzero | homunq: an approach, since it runs js in parallel but don't modify dom elements |
| 10:46 | homunq | I guess you are on the bleeding edge. |
| 10:47 | subzero | a little.. |
| 10:47 | homunq | only one thread can modify, the others can just look? OK, so sound is in the background, right? |
| 10:48 | BryanWB_: still here, right? | |
| 10:48 | BryanWB_ | is still here |
| 10:48 | subzero | about sound, I think each thead can run its proper sound element |
| 10:49 | lucian | subzero: from what usage of WebWorkers i've seen, people use them for processing data and just return things to the main thread |
| 10:49 | subzero: like John Resig | |
| 10:50 | subzero | lucian: yes, I've seen the same |
| 10:50 | what I think is to process the anited stuff in threads | |
| 10:50 | homunq | anited? |
| 10:50 | BryanWB_ | subzero: and them start/stop them according to user input? |
| 10:51 | subzero | s/anited/animated/ |
| 10:51 | and the master will do the changes in the dom elements | |
| 10:52 | that is what has happened to me... | |
| 10:53 | homunq | sounds a bit clumsy... you'll need some clever hacks, not clean solutions. |
| 10:54 | which makes doing your roadmap/planning especially hard | |
| 10:54 | subzero | I'm thinking how to get something better, the other solution is setTimeOut (js function) |
| 10:54 | homunq | how can you address that? |
| 10:55 | can the main thread sleep on some flag that the other ones set? | |
| 10:55 | BryanWB_ | subzero: how does flash handle this kind of stuff? and can web workers do something similar? |
| 10:55 | homunq | because if it's polling, that would kill you IMO |
| 10:56 | subzero | homunq: about sleep the main thread, I think it's not possible... |
| 10:56 | mchua | notes that marketing mtg is due to start soonish |
| 10:56 | subzero | BryanWB_: it runs animation in parallel |
| 10:56 | BryanWB_ | subzero: flash does? |
| 10:57 | homunq | mchua: yes |
| 10:57 | #topic bemasc | |
| 10:57 | assimd is not here | |
| 10:57 | bemasc | Hi all. Lots to report. |
| 10:57 | subzero | BryanWB_: yes, that's why you can do a lot of actions whit that |
| 10:57 | homunq | (I hope that we'll continue to chat after in #sugar) |
| 10:57 | link | |
| 10:57 | subzero | BryanWB_: I mean, multitouch |
| 10:58 | bemasc | no link. You can see the git log I guess... |
| 10:58 | homunq | You don't have to write much, but try to have some report to link here. |
| 10:58 | bemasc | Last night, after midnight, I got a restructured version of my operational transformer working. |
| 10:58 | homunq | oooh |
| 10:59 | what does that mean? | |
| 10:59 | bemasc | It passes my unit tests and shows a 60-fold speedup in my benchmark. |
| 10:59 | homunq | wow |
| 10:59 | well, carry on then | |
| 10:59 | bemasc | SharedTextDemo-1 started to get slow after you'd typed a few lines. Hopefully, this version should be fast enough for a whole essay. |
| 10:59 | homunq | another 60 for next week :) |
| 10:59 | garycmartin | bemasc: so we can look forward to seeing a faster 'sharedtextdemo' then? |
| 11:00 | bemasc | garycmartin: hopefully by tomorrow. |
| 11:00 | Also, I found a bug in libdbus, and got them to patch it. Once fixed, it will allow automatic persistence for all groupthink-using apps. | |
| 11:00 | garycmartin | bemasc: fab. (I'm very interested in using your backend to add colab to other activities) |
| 11:00 | bemasc | So activity authors never have to think about the datastore; groupthink will handle serialization/deserialization for them (if they wish). |
| 11:01 | homunq | yay! groupthink goes beyond groupthink, to rethink! |
| 11:01 | that is great news. | |
| 11:01 | OK, I think we have to yield the room. | |
| 11:01 | let's continue after-chat in #sugar. | |
| 11:01 | bemasc | yep |
| 11:02 | homunq | any last-minute words? |
| 11:02 | 5 | |
| 11:02 | 4 | |
| 11:02 | 3 | |
| 11:02 | 2 | |
| 11:02 | 1 | |
| 11:02 | #endmeeting | |
| 11:05 | jt4sugar | Nice work on boot sequence and banner! |
| 11:05 | SeanDaly | Sebastian is in class I'd really rather he be here to talk about the SoaS release name, he will be available after 19h UTC, could we meet again later after this hour on other topics? |
| 11:05 | jt4sugar: I'm really happy with it | |
| 11:05 | caroline | good morning |
| 11:06 | SeanDaly | Tomorrow i drop by the printer's to choose the roll-up style (entry level to save roros) |
| 11:06 | caroline | I am available for the next 2 hours then out for 2 or 3 hours. |
| 11:06 | garycmartin | caroline: hi |
| 11:06 | SeanDaly | waves to caroline |
| 11:06 | caroline | Are we tabling release name until Sdz can make it? |
| 11:06 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly: as long as its 3:30pmET or after |
| 11:07 | mchua | is around but quiet |
| 11:07 | SeanDaly | needs to convert UTC to ET |
| 11:07 | Hi mchua | |
| 11:07 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: by 'release name' are we meaning 'release version number'? |
| 11:07 | SeanDaly: or will it have a name as well? | |
| 11:07 | SeanDaly | garycmartin: I'm giving the idea away already :-/ |
| 11:08 | garycmartin | waves to mchua |
| 11:08 | SeanDaly: You just seep marketing information! | |
| 11:08 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: my converter says 19h UTC = 15h EDT so sometime in that hour OK? |
| 11:09 | seeping or sleeping? | |
| 11:09 | usually better ideas after sleeping | |
| 11:09 | Why don't I mention the idea then we can discuss it later | |
| 11:09 | mchua | SeanDaly, is there an agenda posted somewhere? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/M[…]ing_Team/Meetings looks a mite dated. ;) |
| 11:10 | SeanDaly | mchua: see marketing invitation |
| 11:10 | caroline | 3pm? |
| 11:10 | I'll maybe a bit late. Probably 3:30pm I'll be home again. | |
| 11:10 | SeanDaly | caroline: 3pm or 3:30 thereabouts |
| 11:11 | mchua | ah yes, http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]-June/001393.html. thanks! |
| 11:11 | jt4sugar | 20 utc sounds like it would be good |
| 11:11 | SeanDaly | struggling to keep wiki updated |
| 11:11 | jt4sugar: should be possible | |
| 11:12 | shall I expose idea, or move to next item? | |
| 11:12 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: go fo it! |
| 11:12 | SeanDaly | The idea behind "beta-1" and "v1" for SoaS was to simplify our arcane numbering system |
| 11:13 | you know and I know that fedora 11 is under Sugar v0.84, but that's complicated to explain | |
| 11:13 | SoaS releases will likely be on 6-month rythm related to Fedora | |
| 11:14 | that menas we get up to v6 pretty quick, in only 3 years | |
| 11:14 | s/menas/means | |
| 11:14 | mchua | (btw, caroline, jt4sugar, SeanDaly, others thinking of a later meeting: http://whenisgood.net/wZRM6R and http://whenisgood.net/wZRM6R/results/5XHrUZ. I won't be around this afternoon, so http://whenisgood.net/wZRM6R/edit/5XHrUZ for whoever picks up on organizing this - SeanDaly by default, I believe.) |
| 11:15 | SeanDaly | We had bandied about idea of sugar logo in boot animation |
| 11:15 | likes whenisgood | |
| 11:15 | And, our logo changes color | |
| 11:16 | advantage of logo staying same color for a version=Learners, parents, teachers can identify it from boot color | |
| 11:16 | Tomeu talked about flavors | |
| 11:16 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: +1 |
| 11:16 | SeanDaly | So, why not name SoaS versions as flavors, based on the boot logo color? |
| 11:17 | Example: v1 SoaS= "Sugar on a Stick - Strawberry" | |
| 11:17 | v2 SoaS= "Green Apple" | |
| 11:17 | caroline | In the next 3 years we will likely have SoaS based on things other then Fedora adding more need for naming. |
| 11:18 | SeanDaly | caroline: the name, like "v1", "v2", is meant to be independent of F11/v0.84, or F12/v0.86, or SuSE/v0,92 or whatever |
| 11:18 | caroline | also an actual implementation will need a flavor of XS for sure and probably a flavor of VM support. Like creating an ice cream sunday :) |
| 11:18 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: I sent a green start logo in the boot anim this time, "Sugar on a Stick - Gooseberry"? ;-) |
| 11:18 | SeanDaly | caroline: I think the ice cream metaphor can really serve us |
| 11:18 | jt4sugar | Strawberry Fedora-Strawberry Ubuntu etc. Version+distro |
| 11:18 | SeanDaly | garycmartin: +1 |
| 11:19 | jt4sugar: if SoaS doesn't boot into distro I would hesitate to put distro in | |
| 11:19 | Distro is hidden from users for simplicity | |
| 11:19 | But, of course can be mentioned in press | |
| 11:19 | caroline | this method gives us a lot of options for the future and I think we are not sure how the future will play out. |
| 11:20 | so options are a good thing. | |
| 11:20 | SeanDaly | although teachers, parents, Learners not likely to care |
| 11:20 | caroline: yes that's how II feel | |
| 11:20 | Let's think about this & discuss later with Sebastian OK? | |
| 11:20 | lots of other topics to be covered | |
| 11:21 | OK re Gould grant / Gardner pilot | |
| 11:21 | we need to define angle | |
| 11:21 | Is angle "yay we got a grant"? | |
| 11:22 | is angle "serious pilots work in school"? | |
| 11:23 | caroline | I liked egg head colleges bring the latest learning technologies back to the US |
| 11:23 | walterbender | I like the angle that we are interested in making it work for learning, not just work |
| 11:23 | mchua | suggests "grassroots movement of volunteers make serious pilot work in school" |
| 11:23 | SeanDaly | caroline: I think that's a good way to demarcate Sugar Labs difference from OLPC - SL more universal orientation |
| 11:24 | mchua | (since it seems like education is incredibly tied to "institutions are the only things that work for us!") |
| 11:24 | caroline | I dont like the make it work angle when we haven't even started yet. |
| 11:24 | SeanDaly | caroline: Gardner as public school means quotes have to be cleared with board of ed, right? |
| 11:24 | walterbender | mchua: how about grant to pilot how grassroots deployments can make an impact |
| 11:24 | caroline | mchua, I like that for the end of summer or midle of next fall. |
| 11:24 | mchua | ooh, walterbender +1 |
| 11:24 | SeanDaly | I feel the grant has to be in there |
| 11:24 | caroline | Sean, yes, we have to go through the burocracy. |
| 11:24 | SeanDaly | Grants, funding are always good indicator that project is serious |
| 11:25 | mchua | and then followup after we have success, like caroline mentioned |
| 11:25 | caroline | yes, the grant has to be there. |
| 11:25 | SeanDaly | caroline: are we concerned about the timeframe? how much? |
| 11:25 | We happen to be in the enviable position of bursting with news | |
| 11:25 | caroline | We will deal with however long it takes. |
| 11:26 | jt4sugar | Angle should be to reach out to community for help? Community can replicate this opportunity by.... |
| 11:26 | caroline | This will help us get volutneers, bring the rest of harvard online etc. But we will get as far as we get this summer and then do the rest in the fall. In the long run what we do this summer vs fall is not that critical. |
| 11:26 | jt4, I feel like we need a success to replicate first. | |
| 11:27 | SeanDaly | any one of the following could generate a press release: SoaS version - GCompris integration - Dailymotion channel - One year old, grant & pilot arrive - |
| 11:27 | caroline | Well the Grant + Pilot can pay its own press releease fees ;) |
| 11:28 | SeanDaly | I myself am not too worried about finding contributors; |
| 11:28 | as visibility rises, pool of potential contributors will too | |
| 11:28 | i am concerned about getting feedback from schools | |
| 11:29 | GCompris can really help us with that I think. | |
| 11:29 | caroline | Saying that we are trying it in a school should be the best way to get others to try it. |
| 11:29 | SeanDaly | caroline: +1 |
| 11:30 | caroline | Well we can control the GCompris press release. Should we write both, and figure it will take 2 weeks at least to get approval from BPS and put out the GCompris one first. |
| 11:30 | SeanDaly | And, we need to "tell" that story - video students |
| 11:30 | caroline | Sean, I think that is for the before Fall press release. |
| 11:30 | SeanDaly | Ideally, I would like to do a press release soon mentioning NECC, FOSSED, LinuxTag |
| 11:31 | caroline | let me step back, how many and how fast can we put them out? and what is our limiting factor? |
| 11:31 | SeanDaly | then, at the end of the month, 1 or 2 releases datelined NECC/FOSSED/LinuxTag |
| 11:31 | caroline: GCompris could be whipped up in no time | |
| 11:31 | Nexcopy partnership should be ready at end of month | |
| 11:31 | caroline | Sean, how many can we put out in June? |
| 11:32 | SeanDaly | caroline: one soon, one or two others at end of month |
| 11:32 | depends what subjects are | |
| 11:32 | jt4sugar | The "Sugar Summer Tour"-Events first-Gcompris following events-Soas late summer |
| 11:33 | SeanDaly | For example, "we are one year old" is not standalone PR, but will be mentioned in a release about something else |
| 11:33 | caroline | Lets aim for first week of July for Pilot annoucement. But I think that means we need to write it this week. |
| 11:33 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: hola, a tour usually means we go around? |
| 11:34 | caroline | Do the GCompris activities all work? |
| 11:34 | SeanDaly | caroline: ok to start drafting Gould/Gardner PR this week |
| 11:34 | garycmartin | caroline: I've not done any testing myself yet... |
| 11:34 | SeanDaly | When ii saw those GCompris messages this morning I almost fell out of my chair with excitement |
| 11:35 | walterbender | I've tested most of them... they work |
| 11:35 | caroline | Sean, thanks. I think until its approved it is just wasting our time to try to plan when we release it. We have no control. |
| 11:35 | SeanDaly | GCompris is very well known in Europe |
| 11:35 | walterbender | but the Sugar integration is pretty minimal at this stage |
| 11:35 | SeanDaly | caroline: not to worry, we have plenty of other news in the pipe |
| 11:35 | jt4sugar | Events-Maybe "The Sugar Roadshow" is better |
| 11:36 | SeanDaly | walterbender: surely true, but the important thing is that it demonstrates how FOSS educontent can be "sugarized" and even better over time |
| 11:36 | jt4sugar: I like the Sugar Roadshow (Sugar Rodeoshow?) | |
| 11:37 | to continue re nexcopy, | |
| 11:37 | They will set up a minisite, collect USB sticks | |
| 11:37 | walterbender | SeanDaly: another story is Sugar Labs Colombia |
| 11:38 | SeanDaly | load Sugar onto them, and send them to us - recycling donated sticks! |
| 11:38 | walterbender: what can we tell about SL CO? haven't followed closely I'm afraid | |
| 11:39 | walterbender | the first local Sugar Lab |
| 11:39 | caroline | We also have Tux Paint up on the Activities Portal. |
| 11:39 | walterbender | doing deployments in Colombia |
| 11:39 | and orgaizing teachers and feedback to the community | |
| 11:39 | SeanDaly | walterbender: part of our PR should be about XO-1.5 refresh |
| 11:40 | F11/v0.84 similar to SoaS | |
| 11:40 | caroline | hmm ok so we have lots of news. How do we decide priority? Who do we need to convice of what right now? |
| 11:40 | SeanDaly | caroline: buzz buzz buzz |
| 11:40 | Or, put another way | |
| 11:40 | caroline | by whom saying what? |
| 11:41 | SeanDaly | attending the events will raise our visibility - some people bound to blog/twitter/photo |
| 11:41 | caroline | What is most important right now? Journalist knowing we are alive? getting the message to techie teachers and parents? Attracting developers? |
| 11:41 | SeanDaly | caroline: message stays on-strategy: SoaS first version, not classroom-ready but try-it-out ready |
| 11:42 | that is the main message; other messages are: Sugar is VERY alive & kicking | |
| 11:42 | caroline | by that criteria the Events news is more important then Gcompris and SL Columbia news. Right? |
| 11:43 | SeanDaly | caroline: I don't really look at it that way |
| 11:43 | Journalists, bloggers can't tell in advance what is newsworthy | |
| 11:43 | Main news is: SoaS is here for you to try | |
| 11:44 | At events, we show it | |
| 11:44 | in PR, we talk about it | |
| 11:44 | What's in SoaS will be in XO-1.5 refresh | |
| 11:44 | "the second million Learners" | |
| 11:44 | caroline | ok so based on that what order should we dish out our news? |
| 11:45 | SeanDaly | caroline: next press release (for next week) which topic is not super-important |
| 11:45 | could be GCompris or another | |
| 11:45 | But, it sets the stage for Event Week at the end of the month | |
| 11:46 | jt4sugar | caroline: I think we need the all of the above strategy-each press release should ask University Computer Science programs and Education schools to contact us |
| 11:46 | SeanDaly | And, during that week we announce SoaS first release version, nad hopefully grant+pilot |
| 11:46 | sdziallas | waves :) |
| 11:46 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: +1 |
| 11:46 | hi sdziallas! | |
| 11:46 | jt4sugar | First should be event release saying were looking for developers others to test drive Soas |
| 11:46 | caroline | Sean, what is the limiting factor for press releases. Is it money? Is it timing, ie you just don't put out more then one a week or people ignore you... |
| 11:47 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: actually i would like to target "technically adept teachers" |
| 11:47 | caroline: :D money plays a role, but $200 for 3 categories is affordable | |
| 11:47 | mchua | technically adept? or technically adventurous? (Though the two overlap quite a bit.) |
| 11:47 | jt4sugar | A line or two about both should cover both camps |
| 11:48 | SeanDaly | If no news, silly to publish |
| 11:48 | But, if lots of news, cascade builds buzz | |
| 11:48 | If we keep pounding differentiators, | |
| 11:48 | caroline | right now no news is not our problem :) |
| 11:48 | mchua | (on that note, whatever PR we come out with for this should totally be taken to NECC.) |
| 11:49 | SeanDaly | mchua: yes exactly in fact PR should be datelined berlin, |
| 11:49 | caroline | So in your idea world it sounds like we put one out week of June 15th, then June 22nd, then after July 8th? |
| 11:49 | SeanDaly | and/or DC, and/or maine |
| 11:49 | caroline: yes july 8th could set us up for Walter's keynote | |
| 11:50 | caroline | Can we do 5 press releases between now and July 12th? or is that rediculuous? |
| 11:50 | SeanDaly | June very active, normal if July/Aug less active, then Sept. very active again |
| 11:50 | caroline: not ridiculous, if "news" in each one | |
| 11:50 | garycmartin | thinks walterbender should switch his phone to silent ring this time ;-) |
| 11:50 | jt4sugar | Event release should ask for Developers and Tech adept teachers to test drive Soas and to help sugarize GCompris and ITalc to create realtime feedback loop for teachers and classroom |
| 11:51 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: agree totally |
| 11:51 | the cumulative effect of releases is brand building, keepàing us in the news | |
| 11:52 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly: Follow on realeases should target Soas push for fall |
| 11:52 | caroline | ok so I count 4 stories: |
| 11:52 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: yes exactly |
| 11:52 | caroline | - Sugar Labs Columbia |
| 11:52 | - Open Source programs on Activities Portal - GCompris and Tux Paint | |
| 11:52 | - Events Week and Release | |
| 11:52 | - Gould Grant and GPA Pilot | |
| 11:52 | is that right? | |
| 11:52 | SeanDaly | but, we should decide if fall push is on SoaS infrastructure, or next release |
| 11:53 | How much can we say about SL Columbia? | |
| 11:53 | mchua | ...wow, that's awesome. next time gregdek and i talk with brand folks I'll see if we can get any RH press goodness around all this (with the "RH <3 education!" and the "Fedora helps!" angle, or something.) |
| 11:53 | SeanDaly | mchua: would be very helpful! |
| 11:54 | caroline: Nexcopy too! | |
| 11:54 | mchua | How much is SL Columbia saying about itself? Admittedly, I haven't been stellar about keeping up, but I think I could stand to hear more updates from them too. |
| 11:54 | SeanDaly | caroline: often, the trick is not to space out PR, but |
| 11:54 | to set the stage, then wallop 'em with 2-3 in a row | |
| 11:55 | caroline | - Walter gives Keynote in Canary Islands and in Maine - Is that a separate release or part of Events Week? |
| 11:55 | SeanDaly | part of events week (week after I think? need to update wiki cal) |
| 11:55 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly: A add on paragraph in each release highlighting a local lab would be a great feature-Colombia first-DC second, etc |
| 11:56 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: yes, that's exactly how I see it |
| 11:56 | sdziallas | runs to grab some food and is back in 5 minutes for more discussion ;) |
| 11:56 | SeanDaly | Fits in with Sugar v0.84 on XO-1.5 refresh |
| 11:56 | For example, June 24th could be Nexcopy! | |
| 11:56 | June 25th, GCompris! | |
| 11:56 | caroline | Ok, so based on all of this what is your instinct about when we should release the PRs and what should e in them? |
| 11:56 | SeanDaly | June 26th, SoaS! |
| 11:57 | one is datelined Cambridge, the other Wash DC, the other berlin - shows we are "everywhere" | |
| 11:57 | caroline | Cool |
| 11:58 | ok so you thnk we should release as many as we can in a short period of time? | |
| 11:58 | SeanDaly | Note: eReleases/PR newswire, but we won't want to send 3 PR's in 3 days to the mailing list |
| 11:58 | caroline: it's always a case-by-case thing, also | |
| 11:58 | caroline | We can hopefully add the GPA pilot and grant into the series if you want and the stars are with us. |
| 11:58 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly: Might want to think about a link in press release to a Newsletter type page that can go into depth on each aspect mentioned-layered approach |
| 11:59 | sdziallas | also notes that he can have additionally a SoaS on XO-1 image ready in time. |
| 11:59 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: I hesitate to take on further docs, we still have the PDF brochure and "Try Sugar" to get ready ASAP |
| 12:00 | sdziallas: great! will have some XOs with me at LinuxTag | |
| 12:00 | caroline: the "art" of buzz is very, very difficult | |
| 12:00 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: cool! I'll bring mine, too ;) |
| 12:00 | bbiab | |
| 12:00 | walterbender | sdziallas: did you see Tomeu's reply to the person who asked about installing SoaS images onto their laptop? |
| 12:00 | SeanDaly | "blooming" with news in Events Week is designed to push journalists into noticing us |
| 12:01 | caroline | sounds great |
| 12:01 | SeanDaly | All the news is good: we recycle sticks for schools with Nexcopy, we have first official version of SoaS, |
| 12:02 | we got a grant and are doing pilot, have opened a Dailymotion channel, | |
| 12:02 | caroline | We have our first grant, our first local lab, |
| 12:02 | When in DC Lab going to be press ready? | |
| 12:02 | SeanDaly | GCompris activities become Sugar Activities, |
| 12:03 | caroline: come again? | |
| 12:03 | caroline | There is a DC Sugar Labs in the making I believe |
| 12:03 | when that becomes "official" we may want to release on that too. | |
| 12:04 | If we can get it into the local news it may reach soome of the people who work for Dept. of Ed and other relevant governmental types. | |
| 12:04 | SeanDaly | caroline: yes indeed and if you remember OLPC France is discussing starting one too |
| 12:04 | caroline | Not sure what being official looks like. |
| 12:04 | SeanDaly | although some members felt that would be "turning their backs on OLPC and the XO" |
| 12:04 | caroline | We also have the "High School Students make a Difference" story. Which again has the potential to hit DC news papers. |
| 12:05 | SeanDaly | still some communication to do... my mantra is: Sugar success good for OLPC, OLPC success good for Sugar |
| 12:05 | caroline: yes and there was that intermediate school to video? if they are still around this summer? | |
| 12:05 | walterbender | I tried to be very positive about OLPC in my interview yesterday :) |
| 12:06 | caroline | Sean, I think that will happen but I would plan on having it done in August. |
| 12:06 | who were you interviewed by yesteray? | |
| 12:06 | SeanDaly | not worrying about walterbender being positive about OLPC |
| 12:06 | walterbender | SeanDaly: the LWN article should come out tomorrow |
| 12:06 | SeanDaly: well, they lost their way for a while | |
| 12:06 | SeanDaly | walterbender: is sub-only though I think? |
| 12:07 | walterbender: they still have serious image problems which need to be overcome; | |
| 12:07 | walterbender | SeanDaly: yes, but subscribers can post individual articles publically |
| 12:07 | SeanDaly | XO-1.5 refresh will do wonders to change OLPC's image since quashes the myths |
| 12:07 | jt4sugar | walterbender: Thats why their good friend Sugar is around to get them sailing in the right direction |
| 12:07 | SeanDaly | New Sugar version is at heart of XO-1.5 refresh |
| 12:08 | walterbender | SeanDaly: and I think that we'll hear next week that Linux is in the 2.0 plans as well |
| 12:08 | SeanDaly | caroline: the concept is, we are fishing |
| 12:08 | walterbender | (since it is ARM-based) |
| 12:08 | SeanDaly | our "bait" is juicy bits of news |
| 12:09 | we can't know in advance what will interest journalists/bloggers | |
| 12:09 | But we can be sure SoaS is high up on the list | |
| 12:09 | And, when a journalist/blogger (i could also say community leader or funder) | |
| 12:10 | hits our press page and our site, they see right away that there is lots of advancement & activity | |
| 12:10 | caroline | Sean, also we need a bunch of different sorts of people to pay attention so we need to spread out lots of different types of bait. |
| 12:10 | SeanDaly | taken all together, it encourages buzz |
| 12:10 | isforinsects | walterbender: you better connects re XO-2 than I do. |
| 12:11 | SeanDaly | caroline: in terms of targeting, we have specific messages to reach technically adept teachers |
| 12:11 | isforinsects | Oh right, the arm conference is next week. |
| 12:11 | SeanDaly | But, a great many observers are watching occasional news about us and so far we are building without missteps |
| 12:12 | controversies are much more newsworthy i'm afraid, but | |
| 12:12 | raising visibility also increases ease of recuiting contributors, funders, partners, distros and soon I hope OEMs | |
| 12:13 | Here's something: you may have seen all the buzz coming out of Taipei last week | |
| 12:13 | there was news every day of interest to us | |
| 12:13 | sdziallas | walterbender: nope? on the ML or IRC? |
| 12:13 | SeanDaly: I'm back. | |
| 12:13 | SeanDaly | For example, MS OEM chief tried to rename "netbook" |
| 12:13 | caroline | I thought there were a number of good points in the Myth vs Reality article. Includng that Initial Buzz gets you in the door but hard solid continued effort is needed to get you in the schools. We want to get in the schools. |
| 12:14 | SeanDaly | ok sdziallas :-) |
| 12:14 | garycmartin | sdziallas: it was ML, about using anaconda to try and install Soas (untested) |
| 12:14 | SeanDaly | renaming "netbook" widely ridiculed in the press |
| 12:14 | sdziallas | garycmartin: ah, didn't see that... well, anaconda... not sure about it ;) |
| 12:14 | SeanDaly | For sure, SiaS runs on "netbook" :D :D |
| 12:15 | caroline: without a doubt, we need to deliver the goods | |
| 12:15 | that means not only the stick, | |
| 12:15 | garycmartin | sdziallas: just having a go on an XO and Soas now. First issue is anaconda is not on Soas so I'm just yum installing it... |
| 12:15 | SeanDaly | but reliable means to create/clone one, |
| 12:15 | documentation, | |
| 12:15 | alternatives (virtualization), and so on | |
| 12:15 | sdziallas | garycmartin: for SoaS on the XO(-1), I'm going to have a special solution ready in a few days :) |
| 12:16 | garymartin: maybe even today, depends on how far I get. | |
| 12:16 | garycmartin: btw, great work with the sample content for the journal!! | |
| 12:16 | SeanDaly | in fact, we need to keep in the back of our minds how to regenerate buzz in the fall |
| 12:16 | Release of XO-1.5 refresh could be very helpful with that | |
| 12:17 | walterbender | sdziallas: email... I'll forward the thread |
| 12:17 | garycmartin | sdziallas: cool, and thanks, glad you liked. |
| 12:17 | caroline | We should have video of kids and SoaS in the fall. |
| 12:17 | sdziallas | walterbender: okay, thanks! :) (I'm a bit behind my e-mail...) |
| 12:17 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: can we talk a little about release name? |
| 12:18 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: sure! |
| 12:19 | SeanDaly | you may remember my goal in establishing a "v1" was to have a super-simple numbering system everyone understands... "F11/v0.84" complicated for teachers |
| 12:19 | sdziallas | nods |
| 12:20 | SeanDaly | at the same time, if code is ready, even if infrastructure is not, now is indeed the right time to generate buzz during events week (NECC / LinuxTag / FOSSED) |
| 12:20 | we had the idea to associate a Sugar logo color to a SoaS version; will help | |
| 12:20 | sdziallas | nods again |
| 12:20 | SeanDaly | learners, teachers, parents identify version |
| 12:21 | Tomeu brought up "flavors" | |
| 12:21 | I think is brilliant idea | |
| 12:21 | sdziallas | this idea gets a big +1 from me :) it's easy to realize and really good for identification. |
| 12:21 | SeanDaly | extends "Sugar on a Stick" imagery |
| 12:21 | For example, June release could be "Sugar on a Stick- Strawberry" | |
| 12:22 | next release "green Apple", or "Gooseberry" | |
| 12:22 | caroline | June is a good month for stawberries :) |
| 12:22 | sdziallas | Yay, codenames! :) |
| 12:22 | feels like SoaS is getting mature (most big distros have codenames, right?) | |
| 12:22 | walterbender | June is a good month for Bratwurst!! |
| 12:22 | SeanDaly | If we keep names simple flavors kids know, I think we will have something great |
| 12:22 | mtd | SeanDaly: we're still going to call them "version", right? "flavor" has no concept of an order, but "version"/"release" does. |
| 12:22 | sdziallas | walterbender: LOL! |
| 12:23 | mtd | mmm, bratwurst. |
| 12:23 | SeanDaly | mtd: yes indeed, and that info will be there, but will not be the main thrust of the marketing |
| 12:23 | sdziallas | walterbender: if you were coming to Germany, I'd get you a good Bratwurst :) |
| 12:24 | SeanDaly | worried we will have onion crisp ice cream flavor |
| 12:24 | Call me silly, but initial releases could be fruits from top-ten ice-cream flavors | |
| 12:25 | mtd | SeanDaly: let me clarify: "new SoaS version: Strawberry" seems a good combination of cute + clarity; "new SoaS flavor: Gooseberry" does not imply that Gooseberry is an improvement upon Strawberry. |
| 12:26 | SeanDaly | mtd: yes I understand you but keep in mind if we are on 6-month cycle, |
| 12:26 | mtd | SeanDaly: sorry, let me not distract with this pedantry. |
| 12:26 | SeanDaly: it's a very minor point. | |
| 12:26 | SeanDaly | in only three yyears we will be up to v6 |
| 12:26 | mtd: it's a valid point | |
| 12:27 | some name codewords alpha sort, but hard :-) | |
| 12:27 | I like fruits as flavors because 1) wholesome 2) natural 3) contain... Sugar! | |
| 12:28 | Now, matching flavors to the 12 official logo variants may not be easy, but | |
| 12:28 | we can sort that out | |
| 12:29 | erikos | SeanDaly, is this marketing meeting? |
| 12:29 | SeanDaly | erikos: hi yes but i think we're through unless anything else? |
| 12:29 | erikos | SeanDaly, did you cover Linuxtag? |
| 12:30 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: OK for SoaS v1 with a flavor name? |
| 12:30 | garycmartin | One-Strawberry, Two-Gooseberries, Three-..., "and a partridge in a pear tree." |
| 12:30 | SeanDaly | erikos: yes discussed press releases we have lots of news |
| 12:30 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: +1 :) |
| 12:30 | SeanDaly | I rather like strawberry as a first one, but i don't think we have a logo that color |
| 12:30 | mtd | SeanDaly: I understand tomeu's point to be that the colours had names, so the order of the colours would determine the version names, and we'd have no more debates about what they were besides choosing an order to the colours. Now you seem to be re-opening that "What do we call the versions" to significant interpretation. |
| 12:31 | SeanDaly | Not a big issue as long as first name is simple |
| 12:31 | erikos | SeanDaly, and about the banner, flyers, poster, tshirts, sticks etc |
| 12:31 | SeanDaly | mtd: actually I wouldn't want compound names like Tomeu said... need to be concise... if kids can think up flavor, it's simple enough |
| 12:31 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: red + red logo works well for Strawberry. |
| 12:31 | erikos | SeanDaly, has this been discussed already (maybe in mailing list as well) |
| 12:32 | SeanDaly | garycmartin: do we have one like that? can't visualize |
| 12:32 | mtd | now we seem to beback again, except we've decided that the names should be flavours that are also colours. |
| 12:32 | erikos | SeanDaly, sorry if I am a bit late on this :/ |
| 12:32 | hey garycmartin | |
| 12:32 | SeanDaly | mtd: idea is color related to version |
| 12:32 | erikos: i have ordered booth banner and tomorrow will decide if i should get 2 | |
| 12:32 | mtd | a double-barrrelled name is not a killer - c.f. "Snow Leopard" |
| 12:33 | erikos | SeanDaly, excellent! |
| 12:33 | mtd | but yeah of course it could be truncated |
| 12:33 | SeanDaly | mts: yes, but was preceded by six big one-named cats |
| 12:33 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: red + res, yes it's official :-) it's logo v06 |
| 12:33 | SeanDaly | in any case I prefer arguing about colors/flavors than numbers :D |
| 12:33 | garycmartin | waves to erikos! |
| 12:34 | SeanDaly | Can we go with logo 06 "Strawberry" for this release? |
| 12:34 | we can disagree all summer over the next one (joke) | |
| 12:34 | erikos: I want to order swag from spreadshirt | |
| 12:34 | caroline | If I add the BroadCom drivers to create an iso for GPA does it become STrawberry-Rubarb? |
| 12:34 | SeanDaly | isforinsects: I think you said you could talk to them? |
| 12:35 | caroline: not sure I want to go there | |
| 12:35 | caroline | ;) |
| 12:35 | sorry, I like to cause trouble | |
| 12:35 | SeanDaly | no kids I know like Rhubarb, they consider it a grownup plot to deprive them of tastu ice cream |
| 12:35 | mtd | SeanDaly: I'm not sure how much cleaer I can say it: tomeu's point was there needn't be discussion. Just pick an order and the names are determined. No arguing necessary. Or even discussion. |
| 12:35 | SeanDaly | s/tastu/tasty |
| 12:35 | caroline | well it has that yucky not quite free drivers in it |
| 12:35 | mtd | strawberry +1 |
| 12:36 | SeanDaly | caroline: we're going to reinvent an industry |
| 12:36 | erikos | liked Rhubarb as a kid |
| 12:36 | caroline | strawberry +1 |
| 12:36 | einvent an industry +1 | |
| 12:36 | +r | |
| 12:36 | SeanDaly | erikos: me too wasn't very often |
| 12:36 | sdziallas | strawberry +1 from me, too ;) |
| 12:36 | mtd | SeanDaly: why don't you just pick a random order and colour/flavour names and we're done :) |
| 12:36 | erikos | SeanDaly, ;) |
| 12:37 | caroline | I think something seasonal is good. |
| 12:37 | SeanDaly | caroline: winter in Southern Hemisphere |
| 12:37 | garycmartin | will send sdziallas openeing red logo frames for boot anim (progress bar version?) |
| 12:37 | mtd | caroline: don't go imposing your northern seasons on people :) |
| 12:37 | caroline | when we release in the winter in the north we choose southern fruits like Kiwi |
| 12:37 | SeanDaly | caroline: I lived in Russia and Russians prefer ice cream in October not August |
| 12:38 | mtd | s/your/our/ |
| 12:38 | sdziallas | garycmartin: re boot screen - everything worked just fine! :) thanks a lot... so yeah, would be cool! (progress bar is my favorite, too, not sure what others think) |
| 12:38 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: I'm sorry to say i'm agnostic since I preferred my little color wheel :D |
| 12:39 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: that's fine :) different opinions are allowed here, right? ;) |
| 12:39 | SeanDaly | anyone prefer progress bar, or ring o' dots for boot anim? |
| 12:40 | caroline | Where can I see the progress bar? |
| 12:40 | SeanDaly | advantage of ring is, closer to XO experience |
| 12:40 | sdziallas | hints at: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/M[…]ng_Team/Boot_Logo |
| 12:40 | SeanDaly | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/M[…]Animation_of_Eben.27s_Above_Design |
| 12:41 | caroline | I like the ring of colored dots |
| 12:41 | SeanDaly | What I'd really like is for Sugar logo to be on XO-1.5 refresh boot, but |
| 12:41 | who could II speak with about that? | |
| 12:42 | related topic was, school logo / distro logo placed in About My Computer page with copyright & license | |
| 12:43 | isforinsects | maybe a fedora remix logo on the right, and a sugarlabs logo on the bottom left? |
| 12:43 | cjb | I'd like to see a new animation design for 1.5, but I dunno if it'll happen |
| 12:44 | we'll have plymouth, which means we can do full algorithmic animation | |
| 12:44 | not just sequences of images | |
| 12:44 | SeanDaly | isforinsects: we thought about that in the boot anim mega-thread, but prefer the "unity" of Sugar logo in the middle preceding Xo |
| 12:45 | I myself don't like the fedora logo in the corner, not because it's Fedora but because I find it distracting even small & grey... would have preferred in center, and consecutive | |
| 12:45 | cjb: could you briefly explaiin algorithmic anim ? | |
| 12:46 | cjb | SeanDaly: it means you write a program to do the bootanim |
| 12:46 | rather than supplying a sequence of images | |
| 12:46 | here, there's an example on youtube | |
| 12:46 | SeanDaly | cjb: we were wondering about that |
| 12:46 | I guess advantage is to save space? or to link to boot sequence events, or both? | |
| 12:47 | cjb | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G27F2hBbTTs |
| 12:47 | no, the advantage is that it looks better. | |
| 12:47 | SeanDaly | watching YouTube |
| 12:48 | that's cool I had read about that on the plymouth list, but hadn't seen it | |
| 12:48 | caroline | oh no! The planet is going to explode! |
| 12:49 | SeanDaly | For my part, simple & fast is best, combats negative perception of OLPC/Sugar as "slow" |
| 12:49 | caroline | <-- Watched the Star Trek movie this weekend :) |
| 12:49 | SeanDaly | OK shall I wrap up meeting? |
| 12:50 | I guess we don't need to get together again later | |
| 12:50 | sdziallas | wonders what decision has been made regarding the boot screen |
| 12:50 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: you're right, I'm being too agnostic :-) |
| 12:51 | I favor ring, myself | |
| 12:51 | sdziallas | which one now? the one with colors? ;) |
| 12:51 | is continuously getting confused. | |
| 12:51 | SeanDaly | whatever Gary sent you... which was in line with Eben/Christian recommendations |
| 12:52 | I believe Eben wanted bar and Christian was for either | |
| 12:53 | sdziallas | is also interested in knowing if we're legally okay with using the XO logo |
| 12:53 | SeanDaly | Shall I throw out a vote message on the lists, response by tomorrow? i'm not sure anyone feels very strongly for one over the other |
| 12:53 | garycmartin | has his tinfoil hat on so thinks he is safe from boot anim toxic fallout. |
| 12:53 | caroline | Can we get the vote down to two or three specific choses? |
| 12:54 | SeanDaly | caroline: two choices, progress bar or grey-dot ring |
| 12:55 | garycmartin: dots were gery , right? | |
| 12:55 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: both were all grey, only colour in each was the logo at start. |
| 12:56 | SeanDaly | I like ring because: iconic, similar to OLPC |
| 12:56 | would like to find a tinfoil hat | |
| 12:57 | OK I propose to submit the two to a vote on the lists | |
| 12:57 | Gary, are these final two variants both on the wiki page? | |
| 12:58 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: yep |
| 12:59 | SeanDaly | garycmartin: Ring is this one right?: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/M[…]Boot_With_Overlap |
| 13:00 | needs to leave very soon | |
| 13:01 | ok counting down going once | |
| 13:01 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: yep that's the ring version. |
| 13:01 | SeanDaly | garycmartin: ok thanks |
| 13:02 | going twice | |
| 13:02 | #endmeeting |