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#sugar-meeting, 2009-05-19

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11:06 SeanDaly First off I'm wondering FGrose or jt4sugar if you have questions about SugarCamp?
11:06 FGrose Saw some reports, waiting for more.
11:06 jt4sugar Will there be a write-up on the multiple topics discussed and direction
11:07 SeanDaly yes Walter will be collating the focus group reports
11:07 briefly, we enumerated all the top-of-mind topics
11:07 then organized those into 4 themes
11:07 marketing and school environment topics were sugggested by mostly the same people so the group was merged
11:08 then we discussed what were the three most important themes to work on
11:08 walterbender is writing up some preliminary notes to send out shortly
11:08 SeanDaly hi walterbender
11:08 jt4sugar Was there a push towards project visualization and mapping our strategy
11:08 SeanDaly after lunch the 9 groups worked on those themes
11:09 and the reports will be collated by walter (I hope to send mine tonight)
11:09 jt4sugar: there was a conscious effort not to "decide" things
11:09 since of course not everyone was there
11:10 rather, to talk about important themes we should focus on next
11:10 I did film some ambient video I hope to send you
11:11 including slow-motion of the flipchart themes :-)
11:11 jt4sugar: concerning marketing strategy,
11:11 walterbender jt4sugar: we need to think about the process of project visualization in the midst of a workshop...
11:11 jt4sugar I agree
11:12 SeanDaly the morning session note-taker (the Australian fellow was his name John? I'm sorry I forgot)
11:12 walterbender jt4sugar: we needed more people with such skills in the room if we were to do it in real time
11:12 SeanDaly took some great notes
11:12 full of marketing ideas
11:12 walterbender SeanDaly: I sent them to you this morning...
11:12 FGrose Was there discussion of Sugar Labs events for the next few months? with perhaps some calendar dates?
11:12 SeanDaly walterbender: yes I saw that many thanks
11:12 FGrose http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]ibutions/OpenSUSE
11:13 SeanDaly FGrose: yes
11:13 jt4sugar walterbender: was hoping to try by video stream but only got small bits&pieces
11:13 SeanDaly I wish to attend LinuxTag in Berlin end of June
11:13 jt4sugar: wifi was very iffy
11:13 at LinuxTag, talk about beta-2 of SoaS
11:13 walterbender plus, we were in breakout groups... we'd have needed nine cameras
11:14 SeanDaly and... the Sugar Labs first birthday :-)
11:14 jt4sugar When you collate reports and I look at video available I"ll put some Mind Maps together
11:15 SeanDaly I would say a key theme that I completely agree with was raised in a discussion with Caroline
11:15 and that is, to target younger kids (say K-8) instead of K-12
11:16 why, because market is open
11:16 we are far better than "competition"
11:16 and the industry has noticed a growth potential, witness the Dell netbook launch today
11:17 another theme I rreally like is we should claim to be the best
11:17 and free too, but I think it serves us to position ourselves as the very best platform for young kids learning
11:17 FGrose And most universally available
11:18 SeanDaly FGrose: yes exactly
11:18 The new netbooks are full of colors, from Dell, from Acer, Asus, everybody
11:19 these manufacturers know the developed world will spend money if it's on a school-by-school, or district-by-district basis
11:19 FGrose good covers for our content and platform
11:20 SeanDaly Dell offers 5 colors for their netbooks and suggested to their pilot schools (I have found one of them) to sort colors by grade
11:20 Sugar will look fantastic on these netbooks and provide an excellent learning experience I am sure
11:21 The headmistress at the Dell pilot school mentioned how useful the machines will be for students who are absent (sick)
11:21 And, they have identified a problem: teachers in class can't run around and see what the kids are doing
11:22 But when you have Sugar you don't need to run around :D
11:22 jt4sugar How do we get Sugar as part of their Ubuntu offering
11:22 FGrose We need to get mesh working on them as well
11:22 SeanDaly jt4sugar: +1
11:22 I have just ordered one of the new Dells this morning the day it went on sale
11:23 I took the 802.11n and touchscreen options
11:23 By the way Ubuntu is standard
11:23 Windows costs extra
11:23 I understand Sugar on Ubuntu is not working so great at the moment
11:24 Perhaps the Dell launch could convince Canonical to support Sugar better?
11:24 jt4sugar May have to turn Dell into a Major Sponsor of Sugar Labs-If they agree they'll help get it working
11:24 walterbender SeanDaly: it is mostly a matter of packaging
11:25 SeanDaly It's my belief Dell could be cajoled into supporting Sugar
11:25 I want to contact their people in the education team
11:26 walterbender SeanDaly: Caroline and I are alredy in touch
11:26 SeanDaly walterbender: Great! I want to boot SoaS on it
11:27 I also have a Dell Mini 10 in the pipeline
11:27 walterbender: I'm not a packaging guru... is it lots of work? on our side, or Ubuntu side?
11:29 walterbender fair amount of work...
11:29 should be able to leverage the debian efforts though
11:29 SeanDaly walterbender: I was afraid so :-/
11:29 walterbender but lots broke with Jaunty
11:29 SeanDaly walterbender: yes you had mentioned that
11:29 but Jaunty is v9 right?
11:30 walterbender yes. 9.4
11:30 jt4sugar walterbender: what route did you take into Dell-education or through a personal contact
11:30 SeanDaly Ubuntu Edition version 8.11
11:30 I just pasted that from the Dell receipt
11:30 FGrose 9.04=2009.April
11:30 walterbender caroline and I have been talking to the Dell education lead
11:30 SeanDaly FGrose: thanks :-)
11:31 jt4sugar They showing some interest?
11:31 SeanDaly walterbender: If II can support you with photos or video of the machine running Sugar?
11:31 walterbender SeanDaly: that'd be great... post it all to dailymotion
11:32 SeanDaly About DailyMotion, do we have an account? Should I open one?
11:32 an org account different from personal account
11:32 walterbender SeanDaly: you can use the one I just created, sugarlabs.
11:32 SeanDaly walterbender: cool!
11:33 I hope someone can point me to the screen recorder activity, is it working?
11:33 walterbender SeanDaly: I used xvidcap
11:34 SeanDaly walterbender: not too difficult to use?
11:35 I had previously seen this page about xvidcap: #LINK http://linuxondesktop.blogspot[…]ovie-of-your.html
11:36 while we're thinking about that I wanted some input about beauty shots
11:36 walterbender SeanDaly: there is also http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/scr[…]t/Screencast-1.xo
11:36 SeanDaly walterbender: Ah yes that's the Activity I heard about
11:36 I'll try that asap
11:36 I know a lot about transcoding, metadata etc.
11:37 but not about screen recording (yet ;-)
11:37 So about beauty shots: the Sugarlabs branded sticks for sure
11:37 But also Sugar running on netbooks
11:38 I like the idea of 6 netbooks showing the Home View
11:38 other ideas for beauty shots?
11:38 by the way the photographer wants to photoshop the screenshots in, otherwise too complicated to shoot
11:39 seems OLPC did it like that too
11:39 FGrose 6 netbooks in neighborhood view
11:39 around activities
11:39 SeanDaly FGrose: great idea, they will see each other
11:39 jt4sugar Shots of ebook reader with netbook running Soas
11:40 SeanDaly jt4sugar: I had an idea for an ebook shot
11:41 there is a project working with coomic books for ebooks
11:41 in a small photo, will look more inviting for kids than just text
11:42 Carol had mentioned that possibility too on the IAEP list a week ago
11:42 things kids want to read
11:43 jt4sugar SeanDaly: A shot with a popular nursery rhyme showing on screen would be nice
11:43 SeanDaly jt4sugar: yes a good idea
11:43 One of my favorites was Banbury Cross :-)
11:44 FGrose Co-edited in Write (different colors) or annotations from students
11:45 SeanDaly I also had a wild idea: having Turtle Art write the sugar logo
11:46 FGrose SeanDaly: Always try to show some collaboration, if possible. TA can I believe
11:47 SeanDaly FGrose: yes I agree
11:47 jt4sugar SeanDaly: A Turtle Art-Tutorious tutorial on how you do it would be very cool
11:48 SeanDaly jt4sugar: I haven't done it yet
11:48 walterbender promised to look into taking the SVG vector lofo file and possibly converting it to segment instructions
11:48 s/lofo/logo
11:50 jt4sugar SeanDaly: I know-just think about using Tutorious as you do
11:50 SeanDaly jt4sugar: thanks for the tip
11:52 Should we show XOs in the beauty shots?
11:52 FGrose Yes
11:52 SeanDaly I think yes, since the XO remains our main platform
11:52 and is well-known
11:52 and very photogenic
11:53 could be cool to show collaboration between an XO and a netbook
11:53 FGrose Netbooks become proper siblings or visa versa
11:53 SeanDaly FGrose: +1
11:54 jt4sugar The more collaboration we can show is a big plus
11:54 SeanDaly jt4sugar: it's a key differentiator of our platform
11:55 jt4sugar SeanDaly: +1
11:55 SeanDaly hey I just found another Dell pilot school
11:55 will mail to marketing list
11:56 jt4sugar SeanDaly: should be a key selling point to manufacturers
11:56 SeanDaly they are using software called ePals Classroom Match for collaboration
11:56 #LINK http://www.epals.com/groups/ab[…]ssroom-match.aspx
11:56 walterbender I know the ePals team...
11:58 SeanDaly walterbender: ask them about the Ann Richards School for Young Women Leaders (Dell pilot USA)
11:58 what's interesting is, the UK pilot was done at a girls' school too
11:58 walterbender the Anne Richards?
11:58 SeanDaly #LINK http://www.sacredh.lbhf.sch.uk/index.htm
11:59 #LINK http://www.prdomain.com/compan[…]/200952071605.htm
11:59 interesting that ePals markets connectivity between continents prominently
12:00 Many teachers like to think about classrooms far apart working together
12:00 jt4sugar Ann Richards was Governor of Texas I believe
12:01 SeanDaly jt4sugar: I believe the Dell charitable foundation for education is based in Texas
12:01 jt4sugar SeanDaly: makes sense
12:01 SeanDaly I need to run soon, shall we discuss anything else?
12:02 jt4sugar I have phone call with Deb Socia-pilot school Thursday 9:30am send me any ideas you would like me to discuss
12:03 SeanDaly jt4sugar: great! are you bringing any machines, or sticks? what's your approach?
12:03 i mean, post-phone call :-)
12:04 jt4sugar I will leave that up to Caroline who will follow up after my call-I'm in Michigan so by phone for now
12:05 SeanDaly jt4sugar: ok cool
12:05 OK I'm going to close the meeting in a minute
12:05 walterbender jt4sugar: Deb and I are overdue for a get-together... remind her when you speak with her :)
12:06 SeanDaly #endmeeting

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