| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 09:10 | erikos | gregdek: you were close ;D |
| 09:10 | gregdek | Heh. |
| 09:10 | erikos | guess the coffee needs some more minutes to be digested |
| 09:10 | gregdek | So. How's our buglist? |
| 09:10 | tomeu | #IDEA celebrate that bernie has started to contribute code! |
| 09:11 | erikos | bernie: thanks for taking the right path!!! |
| 09:11 | gregdek | http://dev.sugarlabs.org/query[…]nt&milestone=0.84 |
| 09:11 | tomeu | several good bugs have ben entered recently |
| 09:12 | erikos | tomeu: still we need more testing |
| 09:12 | tomeu: and another soas :( | |
| 09:12 | gregdek | Looks like 20 bugs currently open that are listed as "high". |
| 09:13 | tomeu | right, perhaps the most critical thing right now would be to get good images people can try |
| 09:13 | erikos | tomeu: how about we run a testing sprint this weekend? |
| 09:13 | gregdek | What image will we ask them to use? |
| 09:13 | bernie | tomeu, erikos: I have not even been pressured AT ALL to contribute code :-) |
| 09:13 | that's amazinvg | |
| 09:13 | tomeu | erikos: was planning to be out this weekend :/ |
| 09:14 | morgs | . |
| 09:14 | tomeu | gregdek: you mean if we had one that worked? |
| 09:14 | gregdek | So what's the issue with SoaS right now? |
| 09:14 | tomeu | morgs' work in ubuntu will give us another way for people to try sugar 0.84, though will need first to install jaunty which is as unstable as rawhide |
| 09:15 | morgs | There's another alpha due out in 1 week |
| 09:15 | Should be a little more stable by then | |
| 09:15 | I need to update glucose to the latest releases | |
| 09:15 | Still have some issues like Xephyr | |
| 09:15 | tomeu | morgs: have you thought about making live jaunty images with sugar? |
| 09:16 | so it's as easy as possible for people | |
| 09:16 | morgs | tomeu: I've thought about it but I don't have the bandwidth to download/upload entire images |
| 09:16 | tomeu | same here :/ |
| 09:16 | morgs | Perhaps someone else can do that for the next jaunty alpha? |
| 09:16 | tomeu | morgs: maybe the images can be built in a server? |
| 09:16 | sunjammer? | |
| 09:16 | morgs | I'll see if I can do that |
| 09:17 | erikos | tomeu: oh you do not need to participate |
| 09:17 | gregdek: sebastian is working on generating a new one | |
| 09:17 | gregdek: as well we have candidate 2 tomorrow | |
| 09:17 | http://sugarlabs.org/go/Develo[…]/Roadmap#Schedule | |
| 09:17 | notes to send a reminder for the tarballs after the meeting | |
| 09:17 | tomeu | morgs: even better if you found somewhere else to do it ;) |
| 09:17 | erikos | tomeu: also can you comment on string freeze issue - i have all that stuff ready now |
| 09:17 | tomeu: i mean give me a +1 on the email thread if you think it is worth it | |
| 09:17 | hey morgs | |
| 09:17 | tomeu | erikos: oh, true |
| 09:17 | gregdek | So we are dependent upon Sebastian's next spin for our next testing sprint. Am I hearing that correctly? |
| 09:18 | erikos | gregdek: yes - me and sebastian |
| 09:18 | tomeu | erikos: when do you think we'll get something that works? |
| 09:18 | erikos: and is smaller than 0.5G? | |
| 09:18 | erikos | tomeu: i hope tonight |
| 09:18 | tomeu | nice! |
| 09:18 | erikos | tomeu: current is 350 i think |
| 09:19 | tomeu | erikos: where are those? cannot found them in the links from the wiki |
| 09:19 | erikos | tomeu: well i removed it beacause it was broken |
| 09:19 | tomeu: once it is fixed - that is the size i mean ;p | |
| 09:20 | gregdek | What was the problem? |
| 09:20 | morgs | hey erikos - quick question for you - any objections to me doing a Read release ahead of the next milestone? It doesn't work right now... |
| 09:20 | tomeu | nice |
| 09:20 | erikos | gregdek: no cursor, activities not starting to name a few ;p |
| 09:21 | gregdek | Ouch. Bad indeed. |
| 09:21 | erikos | morgs: go for it - absolutely! |
| 09:21 | gregdek | Well, we are dead in the water until we have a SoaS image that we can drive everyone to. |
| 09:21 | So that's obviously the critical path, as erikos and sdz already know. | |
| 09:22 | A quick question about our top 20 bugs: | |
| 09:22 | erikos | gregdek: yes! |
| 09:22 | tomeu | erikos: do you think I could help speed soas? |
| 09:22 | gregdek | How many of our top 20 bugs do we have a bead on? |
| 09:22 | tomeu | have a bead? |
| 09:22 | gregdek | To say it differently: |
| 09:23 | (sorry, colloquial) | |
| 09:23 | Are we confident that we can fix most of them, or are there some that look tricky, to which we want to give particular focus? | |
| 09:23 | erikos | tomeu: yeah - lets get viewsource in after the meeting and then we look at soas |
| 09:23 | tomeu | gregdek: that one about disk space is tricky :/ |
| 09:23 | erikos: cool | |
| 09:24 | gregdek | ok. Collaboration looks tough, too, just because debugging collab issues require multiple people. |
| 09:24 | Any others that are particularly troubling? | |
| 09:24 | erikos | gregdek: #119 i would like to see fixed |
| 09:25 | gregdek | tomeu: What's the bug id for the disk space bug? |
| 09:25 | tomeu | gregdek: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/172 |
| 09:26 | gregdek | Have you been able to duplicate it? |
| 09:28 | tomeu | gregdek: no, but I'm not sure how we would fix it |
| 09:28 | gregdek: I see the issue with single big files | |
| 09:28 | gregdek: maybe Browse should interrupt downloads when it gets too full? | |
| 09:29 | gregdek | There are a couple of questions. |
| 09:29 | 1. Should we try to "do the right thing" by deleting old stuff? | |
| 09:29 | Or not? | |
| 09:29 | erikos | tomeu: oh, i think our alert does only work for small files |
| 09:30 | gregdek | And 2. can we forecast the size of a download, and simply abort the download if that size is greater than the available space? |
| 09:30 | erikos | tomeu: because it is displayed when 50mb left |
| 09:30 | tomeu | gregdek: 2: yes |
| 09:30 | 1: we should, in the future ;) | |
| 09:30 | gregdek | So seems like we should be doing 2. at a minimum, perhaps. |
| 09:31 | tomeu | if it's backed up and we find a good algorithm for choosing what to forget |
| 09:32 | gregdek | Well, that's the trick. :) |
| 09:32 | So should we focus on 2. to fix 172 for now? | |
| 09:32 | tomeu | sounds good to me |
| 09:32 | that means the work moves from me to erikos ;) | |
| 09:32 | gregdek | LOL |
| 09:33 | erikos | tomeu: actually i hoped some time ago marco would own browse...sigh |
| 09:34 | gregdek | So let me ask this. How much time do you guys have to attack these bugs, versus other things? |
| 09:34 | erikos | gregdek: it should be our full time job the next 10 days |
| 09:34 | tomeu | erikos: but soas comes first, or not? |
| 09:35 | gregdek | Yep. |
| 09:35 | erikos | tomeu: yeah, but i expect that to be done quickly |
| 09:35 | gregdek | All right. |
| 09:35 | tomeu | yeah? awesome! |
| 09:35 | gregdek: so we can focus on bugfixing | |
| 09:35 | erikos | tomeu: well - if everything breaks - we go back to our old kickstart files to get something working out |
| 09:35 | gregdek | So when do we want to push for a Friends In Testing type day? |
| 09:35 | Saturday? Sunday? | |
| 09:36 | erikos | gregdek: i wonder when people have more time |
| 09:36 | it is true that i for example have some family hours that weekend as well | |
| 09:36 | tomeu | maybe do two afternoons like that next week? |
| 09:37 | erikos | monday and tuesday? |
| 09:37 | tomeu | that may accomodate more people? |
| 09:37 | gregdek | Whatever we decide, we need to announce loud and proud with a working SoaS. |
| 09:37 | erikos | sounds good to me |
| 09:37 | gregdek: sure | |
| 09:37 | i think we all agree - we just need to do it now, right? | |
| 09:37 | gregdek | Yep. |
| 09:38 | I don't know that there's much to discuss, in fact. | |
| 09:38 | erikos | right - that would have been my next sentence ;p |
| 09:38 | gregdek | Perhaps there *should* be more to discuss, and I'm not adding enough value. :) |
| 09:38 | But I don't see the need for gratuitous meetings. | |
| 09:39 | erikos | happy to stop here now and get shit done |
| 09:39 | gregdek | Do we agree to try to coordinate testing for Monday and Tuesday afternoon, or do we want to wait for SoaS to stabilize before we decide? |
| 09:39 | erikos | gregdek: we have to have something for that day |
| 09:39 | gregdek: and we will | |
| 09:39 | gregdek | All right. |
| 09:39 | Monday and Tuesday. What times UTC shall we plan for? | |
| 09:40 | I see this as "times we're all in IRC and helping n00bs test for us." | |
| 09:40 | caroline | Can we get an IRC activity on the SoaS image we are testing? |
| 09:41 | erikos | caroline: yes that should be straight forward to do |
| 09:41 | caroline | cool |
| 09:41 | erikos | gregdek: we can start at european time |
| 09:41 | gregdek | Oh, another question: are we doing triage at 11am? |
| 09:42 | I mean, in 90 minutes from now? | |
| 09:42 | erikos | gregdek: 14 UTC |
| 09:42 | gregdek: i mean for next week | |
| 09:42 | gregdek | OK. 14 UTC Monday and Tuesday. 14 UTC until everyone wanders away. Right? |
| 09:42 | erikos | gregdek: and us people can then hop in |
| 09:42 | gregdek: sounds good to me | |
| 09:42 | gregdek | Very good. |
| 09:42 | Let's start chattering now. | |
| 09:43 | erikos | gregdek: yes i have announced the triage meeting |
| 09:43 | gregdek: for 16 UTC | |
| 09:43 | gregdek: in 90 minutes yes | |
| 09:44 | gregdek | Great. |
| 09:44 | So let's call this and I'll be around for the next one. :) | |
| 09:44 | #endmeeting | |
| 09:44 | Oh, I can't. | |
| 09:44 | tomeu | btw, in the future, may make more sense to have first the triage session, then the development meeting |
| 09:44 | gregdek | I'm not the chair. :) |
| 09:44 | tomeu: I like that idea a lot. | |
| 09:44 | erikos: What do you think of switching triage to 14UTC and devel to 16UTC? | |
| 09:45 | erikos | yup we can do this |
| 09:45 | #endmeeting | |
| 11:10 | Good afternoon People of the Triage Team | |
| 11:10 | Roll Call, please! | |
| 11:10 | gregdek | gregdek (lurking for now) |
| 11:11 | garycmartin | erikos: Beep! |
| 11:11 | FGrose | here |
| 11:11 | erikos | hey beepy gary |
| 11:11 | FGrose, aesome you made it as well | |
| 11:11 | hey lurking greg | |
| 11:12 | FGrose, what is your surname btw - was wondering the other day? | |
| 11:12 | tomeu | hi! |
| 11:12 | FGrose | Frederick Grose is my name |
| 11:12 | call me Fred | |
| 11:12 | erikos | ok - cool /me is Simon |
| 11:12 | tomeu | call him Schampijer |
| 11:13 | erikos | tomeu, hey :) |
| 11:13 | walterbender | creating bugs rather than fixing them |
| 11:13 | garycmartin | erikos: (almost missed the time, distracted by alsroot making moon's first clone and merge request :-) |
| 11:13 | erikos | garycmartin, wow! alsroot is awesome |
| 11:13 | tomeu | that's nice from him |
| 11:13 | walterbender | garymartin: a sign of a worthy project |
| 11:13 | erikos | walter seems to be around as well - hello |
| 11:14 | tomeu | "when they start to fork you, it's because you are doing well" |
| 11:14 | erikos | ok lets start |
| 11:14 | garycmartin | walterbender: He's added scaling so the moon fits different screen sizes, just re-testing on XO :-) |
| 11:15 | erikos | garycmartin, cool |
| 11:15 | http://sugarlabs.org/go/User:Erikos | |
| 11:15 | tomeu | wow |
| 11:15 | erikos | here is a link to our current triage list |
| 11:16 | or - our current open bugs | |
| 11:17 | lets look at all the unconfirmed ones | |
| 11:17 | one moment - i can give you probably a better url | |
| 11:18 | http://dev.sugarlabs.org/query[…]=severity&col=sta | |
| 11:18 | tus_field&milestone=!0.86&status_field=Unconfimed | |
| 11:18 | tomeu | tinyurl! |
| 11:19 | erikos | http://tinyurl.com/cxl55y |
| 11:20 | shall we split and go through them? | |
| 11:20 | walterbender | +1 |
| 11:20 | erikos | and if people have questions just ask them on the channel |
| 11:21 | garycmartin | How do we know who's going though which ticket? |
| 11:21 | erikos | categories: |
| 11:22 | [below 100, below 200, below 250, below 300] | |
| 11:23 | [below 350, below 400] | |
| 11:23 | so we have 6 categories | |
| 11:23 | garycmartin, does that work? | |
| 11:23 | FGrose | 350-400 |
| 11:23 | garycmartin | erikos: thanks, makes sense. |
| 11:24 | erikos | is doing below 100 |
| 11:24 | here is the guide: http://sugarlabs.org/go/BugSqu[…]Steps_of_Triaging | |
| 11:25 | tomeu | 100-200 |
| 11:25 | erikos | important is to get the status right http://sugarlabs.org/go/BugSqu[…]ields#Bug_Status_.28Default.3DUnconfirmed.29 |
| 11:26 | so we know if we need more info or something like that | |
| 11:27 | and of course - ask if you have questions | |
| 11:30 | tomeu | only has 2 tickets :p |
| 11:30 | garycmartin | attempts 249-200 |
| 11:30 | erikos | http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/45 do people remove batteries during operation? |
| 11:31 | walterbender | I'll look at 250-299 |
| 11:33 | silbe | erikos: i did in the past. some laptop chargers don't seem to properly stop charging, reducing battery life if left on AC most of the time |
| 11:34 | garycmartin | erikos: not usually I think, but you might in a hot location with reliable power to save battery chemistry or some mains power. I've only removed batteries during use as part of charge cycle testing. |
| 11:34 | erikos | silbe, yeah when i know i a am at the charger i do sometimes as well - but before i trun it on - it is easier ;p |
| 11:35 | garycmartin, ok, testing showed that we still display it indeed | |
| 11:35 | and hal has kicked the entry | |
| 11:35 | FGrose | http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/382, Someone was working on migrating OLPC tickets (with triaging) right? |
| 11:35 | silbe | erikos: depends on whether the battery needs charging. ok, now really gone :) |
| 11:35 | tomeu | FGrose: yeah, but we have logistical issues :/ |
| 11:35 | erikos | silbe, ;p |
| 11:36 | tomeu | bernie: any idea about xml rpc in trac? |
| 11:36 | FGrose | Ok then confirm and look for assignees |
| 11:37 | erikos | FGrose, yes please assign it to me |
| 11:44 | tomeu | starts 300-350 |
| 11:44 | garycmartin | erikos: sanity check please; 203, was going to set bug status to new and distro debian (hard for me to check); and a bit at the end of the report looks like a potential separate sugar fix that needs checking (make another ticket?) |
| 11:45 | erikos | looks |
| 11:45 | FGrose | http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/375, looks reasonable, but I can't confirm, what to do? |
| 11:46 | erikos | garycmartin, new is good since i saw it as well already |
| 11:47 | garycmartin, yeah you are right - one seam to be about the invitation | |
| 11:47 | garycmartin, and the set_active is another issue | |
| 11:48 | garycmartin, the second part is what the bug is about - the first part i think we have filed somewhere else alreday | |
| 11:48 | garycmartin, debian seems right to me as well | |
| 11:49 | tomeu | erikos: is data/NetworkManagerInfo.conf still used? |
| 11:49 | erikos | FGrose, /me looks |
| 11:50 | FGrose, there are screenshots - so i think reasonable to accept it | |
| 11:50 | tomeu, let me check | |
| 11:51 | tomeu, it should, why? concrete bug? | |
| 11:52 | tomeu | erikos: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/307 |
| 11:52 | I cannot see in the Makefile how it is installed | |
| 11:53 | erikos: also, it's not in the dist tarball | |
| 11:53 | erikos | tomeu, oh it is nm-user-settings now |
| 11:53 | tomeu | erikos: so we need to remove it from git |
| 11:53 | I can do it now | |
| 11:54 | erikos | tomeu, yup - thanks |
| 11:55 | tomeu | erikos: ok if I assign that bug to you? |
| 11:55 | erikos | tomeu, ok |
| 11:57 | walterbender | erikos: any ideas about #284? |
| 11:58 | garycmartin | erikos: 208's over my head as well, other than perhaps 'need more info' |
| 11:59 | erikos | looks |
| 12:00 | walterbender, we need a gnash expert :/ | |
| 12:00 | walterbender, i am to old for that fancy stuff :) | |
| 12:00 | garycmartin | erikos: my guess is sugar still has a bunch of 'animation' type events that end up trying to talk to things that have been destroyed else where. |
| 12:01 | erikos | garycmartin, yeah sounds like - move it to new |
| 12:02 | garycmartin | walterbender: so you're not planning a SWF exporter for TurtleArt then, oooh, shame ;-b |
| 12:02 | erikos | garycmartin, we can maybe only try to ask sascha if he can narrow it down |
| 12:02 | garycmartin, when it happens to provide a testcase | |
| 12:03 | garycmartin, maybe move it to new - and ask kindly about that? | |
| 12:03 | walterbender | FGrose: re #297, with jhbuild on Ubuntu I get the proper behavior |
| 12:03 | garycmartin | erikos: thanks. |
| 12:04 | erikos | walterbender, seriously - we need someone that looks in all those flash/gnash things |
| 12:04 | FGrose | walterbender: yes, seems to occur in SoaS only then |
| 12:05 | walterbender | FGrose: doesn't seem to be an issue with the XO builds either... |
| 12:05 | erikos | FGrose, then it should go into the Soas component |
| 12:05 | FGrose | walterbender: right. SoaS |
| 12:05 | walterbender | erikos: what happened with Rob at FOSDEM? |
| 12:06 | erikos | walterbender, i had no chance to talk to him - maybe tomeu did? |
| 12:06 | tomeu | walterbender: talked about some extensions to gnash, but didn't actually coded anything |
| 12:07 | walterbender: would make a nice gsoc project | |
| 12:07 | walterbender | tomeu: any suggestions re triage on the gnash/flash related bugs in the meantime? |
| 12:08 | tomeu | which # is that? |
| 12:08 | walterbender | #284 |
| 12:09 | tomeu | walterbender: that one doesn't look at all related to sugar |
| 12:09 | erikos | tomeu, hmm 328 |
| 12:09 | tomeu | walterbender: should be only in OLPC's and in whatever tracker adobe has |
| 12:10 | or maybe in the kernel bugzilla | |
| 12:10 | walterbender | tomeu: we should confirm that Sugar can with webcams though... |
| 12:11 | tomeu | walterbender: you mean activities? |
| 12:11 | walterbender | re #328, I am good at making those :) |
| 12:11 | tomeu | walterbender: as sugar itself doesn't use cameras |
| 12:11 | erikos: I thought I was doing 300-350? | |
| 12:12 | erikos | tomeu, i just saw it that you triaged it |
| 12:12 | walterbender | tomeu: yes. does Record work outside of the XO environment? If not, is it a packaging issue (version of gstreamer) or a Sugar issue? |
| 12:12 | erikos | tomeu, i mean if we agree that we can not have a new string - we can move it to 0.86 |
| 12:12 | tomeu | erikos: sure |
| 12:13 | walterbender: I don't think there's much we can do in sugar to fix that | |
| 12:13 | erikos | tomeu, on the other hand if we would have a patch today... unmadindu will be happy |
| 12:13 | walterbender | tomeu: it is related to the discussion about packaging, I suppose. |
| 12:13 | tomeu | walterbender: that's the benefit of using stuff maintained upstream, we don't get to fix it |
| 12:13 | walterbender: you mean about .xo bundles? | |
| 12:14 | walterbender | tomeu: it is the reason I dropped sensor support for Turtle Art |
| 12:14 | tomeu | erikos: yeah, that's why it's tentatively targeted at 0.84 |
| 12:14 | FGrose | http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/374, which activity has the new color chooser? |
| 12:14 | erikos | FGrose, Write |
| 12:15 | tomeu | walterbender: I think that generally available .xo bundles should only have hard dependencies on stuff that is considered part of the sugar platform. but they have soft dependencies (with a sensible fallback) on other stuff that the author anticipates that may be available |
| 12:15 | s/they have/they can have | |
| 12:15 | erikos | FGrose, the component is set correctly here - if you mean that - or did you want to verify? |
| 12:16 | FGrose | verifying |
| 12:16 | erikos | ok - cool |
| 12:17 | tomeu | erikos, walterbender: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Develo[…]rojectIdeas#Gnash |
| 12:19 | erikos | nice |
| 12:19 | FGrose | Write fails to open in SoaS, I've seen the new chooser someplace else, no? |
| 12:21 | erikos | FGrose, yeah - i wonder if this is filed already that Write does not start |
| 12:21 | FGrose, no only write | |
| 12:21 | FGrose, the interesting part is that it produces no logs | |
| 12:21 | tomeu | ok, I'm done |
| 12:22 | erikos | tomeu, how do i debug Write best when i have no logs? with gdb? |
| 12:22 | tomeu | erikos: yeah, I think you can just do sugar-launch -g Write |
| 12:22 | or similar | |
| 12:22 | it will launch write inside gdb | |
| 12:24 | erikos | tomeu, -d (nice) |
| 12:26 | tomeu, do you take http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/72 ? | |
| 12:26 | tomeu, or move it to 0.86 | |
| 12:26 | tomeu | erikos: will take it |
| 12:27 | erikos | assigned! |
| 12:27 | guys we are making great progress with the list! | |
| 12:29 | lets try to bring trac on sugarlabs down! | |
| 12:30 | FGrose | http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/359, confirm on account of log, assignee? |
| 12:31 | erikos | FGrose, i think we did not move analyze to git and trac yet, or? |
| 12:33 | FGrose | could I have report permissions in trac for learning's sake? |
| 12:34 | erikos | FGrose, you mean admin rights? |
| 12:34 | it is not in git | |
| 12:34 | and not in trac | |
| 12:34 | wonder if we should reject the request | |
| 12:34 | FGrose | no just report permissions,http://dev.sugarlabs.org/wiki/TracPermissions |
| 12:38 | erikos | i don't really understand what the report thingy can do? |
| 12:38 | what reports would you get - how would you use it? | |
| 12:38 | FGrose | allow SQL queries |
| 12:38 | mchua | is actually here and interested in testing setup, but distracted by a few simultaneous tasks atm. ping if needed |
| 12:39 | erikos | FGrose, can you file a ticket for bernie for that? |
| 12:39 | FGrose, infrastructure component | |
| 12:39 | FGrose | ok i'll make the case there, thanks |
| 12:40 | erikos: "wonder if we should reject the request" was this referring to #359? | |
| 12:41 | erikos | FGrose, yes |
| 12:41 | http://sugarlabs.org/go/BugSqu[…]g_is_not_in_Sugar | |
| 12:41 | FGrose, i guess you can paste that there | |
| 12:41 | FGrose | ok |
| 12:42 | erikos | FGrose, it might tell us something about Sugar however :/ |
| 12:42 | the bug i mean | |
| 12:42 | FGrose, ok lets do this | |
| 12:42 | FGrose, ask for better logs at least | |
| 12:43 | FGrose, with debug enabled: http://sugarlabs.org/go/BugSquad/GetLogs | |
| 12:43 | FGrose, sounds good? | |
| 12:43 | FGrose | ok |
| 12:43 | erikos | mchua ok |
| 12:43 | garycmartin | curses as he gets to triage 5 of his own tickets... |
| 12:44 | mchua | is working through the IRC bugs trying to verify/patch them |
| 12:44 | erikos, is there a preferred environment/setup for testing? | |
| 12:44 | (for 0.84) | |
| 12:44 | erikos | mchua, we use the latest Soas |
| 12:44 | garycmartin, haha | |
| 12:44 | garycmartin, i would reject all of them ;p | |
| 12:45 | garycmartin, shall i take yours? | |
| 12:46 | garycmartin, just had to triage one I was reporting and even owning :) | |
| 12:48 | garycmartin | erikos: thanks, it's fine, I think I can use the soas3 image to retest most of them. Though I'm kinda worried soas2.img has just bricked my B4.... Hmmmmm, well it's doing something, but hiding behind a frozen dcon boot screen. |
| 12:50 | erikos | garycmartin, outch :/ |
| 12:53 | ok i done mine | |
| 12:53 | mchua | thanks erikos. I reckon I'll set myself up for testing after my fedora install then. |
| 12:53 | erikos | mchua, awesome |
| 12:54 | FGrose, did you understand that i add the info to #359? | |
| 12:54 | FGrose | no |
| 12:54 | erikos | ok :) |
| 12:55 | FGrose | look at what I just posted |
| 12:55 | erikos | Now - very nice answer! |
| 12:56 | you can move it to needinfo | |
| 12:56 | FGrose | will cc accept nicks as well as email addresses? |
| 12:57 | erikos | nicks if they are listed as users in trac |
| 12:58 | FGrose | such as in the reassign list? |
| 12:58 | garycmartin | stops panic, OFW check game key forced the dcon to unfreeze. |
| 12:58 | erikos | FGrose, yes |
| 13:03 | FGrose | http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/357, assignee? |
| 13:07 | erikos | FGrose, you can give it to me |
| 13:08 | FGrose | erikos: ok, also cc's only trigger on next edit I believe |
| 13:11 | got to leave soon, any other agenda items? | |
| 13:12 | erikos | FGrose, no, it is just more fun to triage together - that was today purpose |
| 13:12 | FGrose, in general - one can always come to #sugar regarding triage questions | |
| 13:12 | FGrose | Ok, it helped. See you later, thanks! |
| 13:12 | erikos | I think we really got a lot done today - thanks everyone! |
| 13:14 | garycmartin | erikos: thanks for the help, just slowly re testing my last 5 tickets now :-) |
| 13:15 | erikos | garycmartin, ;) many new people as well around lately - really like that spirit |
| 13:23 | FGrose | 45 down to 20 hits on query so far. leaving... |
| 13:24 | tomeu | yeah, has worked very well, thanks all! |
| 13:38 | erikos | tomeu, please add yourself here http://sugarlabs.org/go/BugSquad/Contacts |
| 13:38 | tomeu, you are a full member now! | |
| 13:39 | has to tell the others next week | |
| 13:42 | tomeu, write does work for you in sugar-jhbuild? | |
| 13:43 | tomeu, i don't seam to get any useful traceback | |
| 13:59 | tomeu | erikos: is the process crashing? or just hangs? |
| 14:01 | erikos | tomeu, just hangs |
| 14:01 | dbus times out after some time | |
| 14:01 | tomeu, we have this on soas as well | |
| 14:01 | tomeu | erikos: have heard about it in #abiword |
| 14:02 | erikos: do you have everything updated? | |
| 14:02 | erikos | tomeu, well i use system libabiword |
| 14:02 | tomeu | erikos: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/356 |
| 14:03 | erikos | looks excited |
| 14:04 | aaaaaaawsome!!! | |
| 14:07 | walterbender | erikos: is the bugsquad meeting over yet? |
| 14:09 | erikos_ | walterbender: yeah - mainly |
| 14:10 | walterbender: we can keep on discussing bugs in #sugar | |
| 14:23 | erikos | walterbender, we need to talk about #388 |
| 14:23 | walterbender, is my way to reproduce what you meant? | |
| 14:28 | walterbender | erikos: yes. but with one more detail. |
| 14:28 | the color you chose is now the color for future typing. | |
| 14:29 | erikos: and sometimes different text gets highlighted while in the dialog: this gets the new color. | |
| 14:29 | erikos | walterbender, can you comment on the ticket your findings, looks like it is the color picker itself |
| 14:30 | walterbender | I think it must be the color picker somehow interacting with text selection |
| 10:15 | caroline | hi |
| 10:23 | walterbender | g'morning |
| 10:24 | is the marketing meeting at 11 EST? | |
| 10:34 | mchua | walterbender: yep |
| 10:46 | SeanDaly | mchua, are you here? |
| 10:47 | mchua | hi, SeanDaly! Yep, I'm here |
| 10:47 | caroline | hi Sean |
| 10:47 | mchua | Do you want to talk here, or in a pm (private message)? |
| 10:47 | SeanDaly | Hi Caroline! |
| 10:48 | mchua: I'd prefer private... to discuss new marketing concept | |
| 10:48 | is it possible to do private with Caroline too? (still an IRC newbie) | |
| 10:49 | mchua | SeanDaly: I don't know of a way to do a 3-way private, but we can get a channel to ourselves. |
| 10:49 | SeanDaly | hmmm I don't know how to do that? |
| 10:49 | mchua | SeanDaly: Did you get my pm? (Look for another channel tab/list with my nick on it) |
| 10:50 | SeanDaly: Also, have you registered your nick with Freenode? (If the answer to that is "huh?" we should probably do that now.) | |
| 10:50 | SeanDaly | my answer is "huh"? |
| 10:51 | mchua | okay. :) then the first thing you want to type is "/msg NickServ identify <password>" (no quotes) where <password> is a password that you want to set for your account |
| 10:51 | SeanDaly | I'm using Colloquy on a Mac but I don't see a tab for pm |
| 10:51 | mchua | That will register your nick with the IRC server, which is kinda like reserving it (and password protecting it) |
| 10:52 | hm, I'm not sure how colloquy does pms. *looks it up in the background* | |
| 10:52 | SeanDaly: in the meantime, type "/join #mchua" (no quotes) and we'll get started | |
| 10:52 | SeanDaly | It said "NickServ: SeanDaly is not a registered nickname." |
| 11:07 | mchua | SeanDaly: meeting start time? |
| 11:09 | SeanDaly: #startmeeting whenever you're ready | |
| 11:09 | jt4sugar: hey there! | |
| 11:09 | jt4sugar | Hello |
| 11:09 | mchua | bounces in excitement for the marketing meeting |
| 11:10 | SeanDaly | Hi everyone I am here shall we start? |
| 11:10 | caroline | ok now she is really bouncing :) |
| 11:10 | tomeu | hi! |
| 11:10 | mchua | is sitting next to caroline right now |
| 11:10 | SeanDaly | #startmeeting |
| 11:10 | mchua | Argh - okay, SeanDaly, go ahead, it's logging anyway. |
| 11:10 | SeanDaly | oops mchua II think you started it ;-) |
| 11:11 | OK did annyone get a chance to see my mail and/or the meeting wiki page? | |
| 11:11 | mchua | (ah, the current meeting owner is erikos for triage. oh well. we'll just share logs.) |
| 11:11 | did! | |
| 11:11 | http://sugarlabs.org/go/Market[…]s#Upcoming_Agenda | |
| 11:12 | SeanDaly | I'll hust jump in, topic 1 : SL press-contactable |
| 11:12 | The basic idea being journalists have a phone number to call, in addition to an e-mail | |
| 11:12 | mchua | would also like to add one item to the end of the list, if we have time - marketing foci for both this release (0.84) and next release (6 mo from now) |
| 11:13 | falls quiet and listens to SeanDaly now ;) | |
| 11:13 | SeanDaly | Google's beta Grand Central looks interesting but will not forward to non-US numbers |
| 11:13 | mchua: great idea | |
| 11:14 | So I thought of a solution: If I can get a prepaid GSM SIM card (I was in NYC in January & I saw Deutsche Telekom offers them) | |
| 11:14 | Advantage: USA number, US-based journalists (possibly the majority) not disoriented | |
| 11:14 | Advantage: works around the world | |
| 11:15 | Disadvantage: roaming $$$ | |
| 11:15 | walterbender | what is the overhead of having multiple numbers? |
| 11:15 | SeanDaly | If I'm not mistaken Grand Central can handle more than one number |
| 11:16 | walterbender | so we could have local numbers in the US and Europe and elsewhere? |
| 11:16 | tomeu | maybe we should have one contact in the US and another for the rest of the world? |
| 11:16 | SeanDaly | And we could foor example list one number for US and the second for Europe (or by timezone, etc.) |
| 11:16 | walterbender | no roaming charges' |
| 11:16 | SeanDaly | Of course, the question is who answers the phone :D |
| 11:17 | bernie | SeanDaly: I'm setting up asterisk, a pbx, on sunjammer |
| 11:17 | SeanDaly | As I said I'm willing to be frontline for UTC 0800 to 2100 every day |
| 11:17 | I've heard great things about asterix, my friends at FSFE use that I think | |
| 11:17 | bernie | SeanDaly: and in the US I've used diamondcard to get a gateway to PSTN |
| 11:18 | works fairly well | |
| 11:18 | SeanDaly | bernie: hmm don't know that |
| 11:18 | mchua | Trying to state the problem we're attempting to find a solution to right now - "journalists need a frontline phone number to call, with immediate pickup and consistent basic information and the ability to tell them about/introduce/make contact with figures they may want to interview"? |
| 11:18 | bernie | they are the dudes behind ekiga, I think. |
| 11:18 | SeanDaly | Of course, I don't want something complicated requiring maintenance, etc. |
| 11:18 | mchua: Quite! | |
| 11:18 | mchua | With the assumption that the journalists (for now) all speak English, but may be in any time zone? |
| 11:19 | SeanDaly | mchua: yes |
| 11:19 | bernie | ok, I could set up an extension to ring several clients on our laptops |
| 11:19 | SeanDaly | I speak French very fluently, and some Russian ;-) |
| 11:19 | By the way I have little experience with VOIP solutions so maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree | |
| 11:19 | mchua | further assumes that consistency and professionalism in whoever answers the phone is paramount (meaning we may need a standard reference page / basic training for the folks who answer the phone, on how to handle journalists) |
| 11:20 | SeanDaly | mchua: yes, exactly. Unfortunately, there is a fish-feeding effect; a widely rread article generates 5 more calls, which generates 20 more, etc. |
| 11:20 | mchua | so, here's a thought: we don't need 24-hr connectivity. We need connectivity during hours such that each time zone would have at least 1-2 of those hours fall within 9am-6pm in their zone. |
| 11:20 | SeanDaly | In the happy event there is news of course |
| 11:20 | mchua | nods |
| 11:21 | I don't see the fish-feeding event as a problem if we have a good standard reference page and a few well-trained phone-answerers on standby during listed hours. | |
| 11:21 | bernie | mchua: that's not easy... it rules out all our hackers basically :) |
| 11:21 | SeanDaly | I would venture that reaching the US/CA and European press will alrready mean very wide coverage |
| 11:22 | Again, I don't want a big gas factory, just an easy-to-understand phone number foor journalists | |
| 11:22 | mchua | bernie: I think that hackers should probably not be answering the phone much, unless they're *super* keen on doing marketing stuff (code knowledge won't necessarily make them better phone answerers,basically.) |
| 11:23 | walterbender | In my experience, the frenzy is not constant, but driven by us (with press releases) and occasional excternal events, such as OLPC news... |
| 11:23 | SeanDaly | It's likely the volume would be quite low... until the day there is "bug news" e.g. SoaS released |
| 11:23 | walterbender | so we could be prepared to have the phones manned when we expect high volume |
| 11:23 | SeanDaly | s/bug/big |
| 11:23 | walterbender: yes | |
| 11:23 | walterbender | or bug... that gets slashdotted |
| 11:23 | mchua | Which means we should try to have this system up and ready in 2 weeks, for 0.84 prerelease noise. |
| 11:24 | SeanDaly | mchua: yes, that's why on top of the agenda :D |
| 11:24 | mchua | *grin* |
| 11:24 | SeanDaly | We'll use the SFC address for the letterhead |
| 11:24 | walterbender | and I think we can find a small number of people to answer phones in that window... I will volunteer, for example. |
| 11:25 | SeanDaly | bernie: can asterix forward a call to any number? |
| 11:25 | We have other items to discuss, I propose we expand on this listwise, OK? | |
| 11:26 | If you saw my mail yesterday II have identified 70-odd education-themed recipients of SL PR | |
| 11:27 | mchua | SeanDaly, would you mind if I popped in in 2 min with a draft action items/gameplan list for the phone thing? (but yeah, moving on +1) |
| 11:27 | SeanDaly | mchua: go aahead |
| 11:28 | mchua | list of PR recipients: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ruary/000337.html |
| 11:28 | is wikifying | |
| 11:29 | SeanDaly | Concerning educators for PR: i'd like to send in other languages too, es/fr/de/pt... I can do French, & I think we could find volunteers on the IAEP list to do the other languages? |
| 11:29 | walterbender | if we give enough notice |
| 11:30 | SeanDaly | It sounds ambitious but it's not: the elevator pitch will be done beforehand and only the "news" will need to be ttranslated |
| 11:30 | Working up a release just needs some planning: a timetable. | |
| 11:30 | tomeu | we already have translators team |
| 11:30 | I think unmadindu can set up pootle (our translation platform) for that | |
| 11:30 | SeanDaly | tomeu: ahh! they won't mind doing the occasional release? |
| 11:31 | tomeu | SeanDaly: I think it can work out, we need to ask |
| 11:31 | maybe unmadindu will be around later today | |
| 11:31 | SeanDaly | typically, in subject line our PR e-mail would say "[SL PR-en] SugarLabs announces...." |
| 11:31 | unmadindu | is around :) |
| 11:32 | SeanDaly | By the way silly question is it "Sugar Labs" or "SugarLabs" ?? |
| 11:32 | unmadindu | we can definitely translate if translators get to know about them in advance (say by a week) |
| 11:32 | walterbender | with the space |
| 11:32 | dfarning | Sugar Labs-- with a space and each word capitalized |
| 11:33 | SeanDaly | walterbender, dfarning: thanks |
| 11:33 | Now I know I promised to work on the elevator pitch but the educators PR list turned out to be longer than I thought | |
| 11:34 | So i'll get to that very soon | |
| 11:36 | dfarning: if we could move to the next topic, could you briefly describe Ambassadors? | |
| 11:36 | and mchua: LoCo teams? | |
| 11:37 | mchua | SeanDaly, is there anything you need help on or open problems that need ideas for solutions? |
| 11:38 | dfarning | the ambassador program coordinates volunteers to staff conference booths. |
| 11:38 | mchua | Status updates are easier to do on email, getting volunteers for tasks is harder not-in-real-time. ;) |
| 11:38 | SeanDaly | mchua: my main concern is preparing the press release for 0.84, my second is working on SoaS |
| 11:39 | mchua | Ubuntu LoCo teams are https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams, "LoCo project is here to help groups of Ubuntu fans and enthusiasts work together in regional teams to help advocate, promote, translate, develop and otherwise improve Ubuntu." Think of them as Ubuntu user groups based around geographic regions. |
| 11:39 | SeanDaly | dfarning: ahh I understand better... booth-manning is time-intensive yet vital work |
| 11:39 | mchua | Anyone can start one, run one, join one. They also provide local presence for conference booths, like dfarning mentioned with Fedora, but it seems that's less of a focus. |
| 11:39 | SeanDaly | It seems to me there are lots of OLPC+Sugar enthusiast groups... |
| 11:39 | caroline | what is involved in setting up an ambassador program |
| 11:40 | mchua | SeanDaly: Most of them use the OLPC branding right now. There aren't a lot of formal SL local labs, afaik. But the OLPC groups are generally enthusiastic about helping out. |
| 11:40 | dfarning | Not sure the is gregdk's program |
| 11:40 | s/the/that/ | |
| 11:40 | mchua | Well, for university chapters at OLPC, what I did (insanely minimal) |
| 11:41 | * announced "hey, you can make a uni chapter" to any student/prof who asked | |
| 11:41 | * made a uni chapter wiki page (which is way different now) that said "you can make a uni chapter" | |
| 11:41 | SeanDaly | I saw an Events page on the marketing wiki... I'm sure there's a couple more to add before June... when there is a concrete event it's usually a little easier to call out for volunteers |
| 11:41 | mchua | * and listed current chapters (someone needs to ping them regularly to get updates / make connections) |
| 11:41 | * and ideas for activities that uni chapters could do, and how to start with each | |
| 11:42 | SeanDaly | A great activity would be a SoaS install party |
| 11:42 | mchua | ...and seriously, that was it. And then it was a lot of just behind the scenes encouraging of interested students, constant followup. |
| 11:42 | onds | |
| 11:42 | er, nods | |
| 11:42 | can't type | |
| 11:42 | tomeu | unmadindu: how should we give notice to the translators once we have a text to translate? |
| 11:43 | mchua | I'll also note that I had no authority whatsoever to start a uni chapters program. I was a random volunteer who thought it was ridiculous that student groups felt like they needed permission from Somebody to begin. So I gave them permission. (Apparently it doesn't really matter /who/ tells you you can do it, just that somebody does.) |
| 11:43 | unmadindu | tomeu: via the l10n mailing list, but we need to figure out a workflow (preferrably based on git first) |
| 11:43 | SeanDaly | I suppose each group has a webpage (even someone's personal page), collecting links is a logical first step |
| 11:44 | tomeu | unmadindu: are there already plans to move the l10n mailing list to sugarlabs? |
| 11:44 | unmadindu | tomeu: not yet, but can be done. first we have to move pootle (should happen by today/tomorrow) |
| 11:45 | SeanDaly | internationalization=i18n or I10n? |
| 11:45 | mchua | dfarning: who's driving the creation/formation/encouragement of Local Labs? |
| 11:45 | dfarning | Rafeal is now |
| 11:45 | mchua | SeanDaly: i18n - internationalization = i<18-letters>n |
| 11:46 | tomeu | l10 == localization |
| 11:46 | l10n | |
| 11:46 | rafael is dirakx | |
| 11:46 | SeanDaly | Ah the old lI ambiguity ok thanks ;-) |
| 11:46 | dfarning | bith the OLPC refocus we have to some degree let local labs slide until we find out what organizations like olpcfriends are doing. |
| 11:46 | tomeu | unmadindu: sounds good, I don't think there si any rush |
| 11:46 | dirakx | hi |
| 11:46 | :) | |
| 11:46 | mchua | dfarning: thanks. dirakx, deployments == local labs, or would you rather focus on one or the other and have somebody else take the other part and work together with you? |
| 11:46 | unmadindu | tomeu: ok :) |
| 11:47 | mchua | olpcfriends as a community org is somewhat dormant at the moment, I think there's more of a focus on the OLPC community release team. so a local labs focus would not step on any toes. |
| 11:47 | SeanDaly | re Local Labs: logically, co-existent (coincident) with OLPC? With the added aspect of running Sugar on other hardware too? |
| 11:47 | dirakx | mchua: for now we can work together in deployment and local labs,,, |
| 11:48 | SeanDaly | I mean local OLPC groups |
| 11:48 | dirakx | needs to do anothe rmeeting of deployment team |
| 11:48 | SeanDaly: that's the idea.. | |
| 11:48 | tomeu | btw, despite the olpc refocus, there's still the conception in some places like olpc-sur that sugarlabs is trying to steal relevance to olpc |
| 11:49 | dirakx | SeanDaly: it has been proposed that local Labs focus more on educational aspects.. |
| 11:49 | SeanDaly | tomeu: it's perfectly understandable that it's a sensitive issue |
| 11:49 | dfarning | I don't know, I Just wanted to let the deployment politics die down. |
| 11:49 | tomeu | but I personally don't think it's a good use of walterbender's time to keep asking olpc for a joint statement, FWIW |
| 11:49 | SeanDaly | dirakx: very interesting |
| 11:50 | dirakx: and logical, since education happens in the Activities | |
| 11:50 | dirakx | tomeu: that's truth unfourtunately. |
| 11:51 | tomeu: but we need to clarify that, with time i guess.. | |
| 11:51 | mchua | is a bit lost - SeanDaly, what topic are we on right now? |
| 11:51 | SeanDaly | mchua: Ambassadors |
| 11:51 | mchua | Oh, okay. Thanks! |
| 11:51 | SeanDaly | and by extension, local groups, from whom could spring forth Ambassadors |
| 11:52 | dirakx | how is fedora's Ambassadros project ?...what can we learn from it and/or adapt ?.. |
| 11:53 | SeanDaly | Re OLPC/Sugar dichotomy, from a marketing point of view a possible solution would be: "Sugar, available on a variety of platforms, but at its full potential on the OLPC XO-1" |
| 11:54 | mchua | I'd like to take on Local Labs nurturance as a project, with ambassadors as one potential important subset to explore within that. Would that be ok? |
| 11:54 | tomeu | SeanDaly: that won't piss off other potential bundlers of sugar on hw platforms? |
| 11:54 | SeanDaly | At a booth, the focal point is really the XOs |
| 11:54 | caroline | Is SJ still doing Friday meetings of the university groups? |
| 11:54 | We shoudl coordinate with him | |
| 11:54 | SeanDaly | tomeu: are we that far along? |
| 11:54 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly:look at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/University_program |
| 11:54 | SeanDaly | mchua: sound good to me |
| 11:54 | mchua | (Working really, really closely with dirakx and the Deployment team, and Sean and the Marketing team for the upcoming 0.84 push.) |
| 11:54 | tomeu | SeanDaly: we have already had vendors showing interest on that |
| 11:55 | SeanDaly | tomeu: thanks for the heads-up |
| 11:55 | jt4sugar: thanks I'm on that page now yes lots of groups! | |
| 11:55 | sdziallas | drops in lately |
| 11:55 | dfarning | SeanDaly; I do _not_ recommend singling out the XO as a preferred platfom. |
| 11:55 | mchua | will follow-up on the marketing list and with SeanDaly and dirakx re: ambassadors and Local Labs post-meeting. |
| 11:55 | walterbender | lots of groups on a web pae... so what :( |
| 11:56 | mchua | dfarning + 1 |
| 11:56 | dirakx | mchua: your proposal seems fine to me..each local lab could have it's own ambassador. |
| 11:56 | mchua | walterbender: yeah, part of the Local Labs gameplan I'm writing out is "so! someone should regularly ping these groups!" |
| 11:56 | dirakx | mchua: ok..follow-up later ;). |
| 11:56 | SeanDaly | dfarning: I'm a newbie and haven't had contact with OLPC so... I'm not sure yet what all the issues are |
| 11:57 | walterbender | mchua: let's grab a few minutes to talk about this off line... |
| 11:57 | tomeu | should that ambassador also double as the point of contact with the global SL? |
| 11:57 | dirakx | +1. |
| 11:57 | he/she should be the one that feedbacks/helps global SL.. | |
| 11:58 | mchua | tomeu: that's a great idea - I'll start a local labs wikipage and put it in and send stuff to the lists after this meeting |
| 11:58 | tomeu | SeanDaly: I have worked for two years for them and I don't know yet what the issues are ;) |
| 11:58 | SeanDaly | dfarning: but I do understand the need for Sugar to be branded as a separate thing |
| 11:58 | tomeu: :d :d | |
| 11:58 | dfarning | OLPC and SL have history. I am hoping that a new generation of post conflict leadrs step up and take us forward. |
| 11:58 | dirakx | mchua: thanks for your help on this. :) |
| 11:58 | SeanDaly | i mean :D :D |
| 11:58 | tomeu | mchua: I started this page, but the items listed are not really local labs: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/Places |
| 11:59 | mchua | tomeu: awesome, thanks! |
| 11:59 | dirakx | has benn very busy trying to sert up .co local Lab..news later ;). |
| 11:59 | been. | |
| 11:59 | tomeu | mchua: it's main purpose was to start ogranizing a process for receiving feedback from the real world |
| 11:59 | SeanDaly | feedback is absolutely vital |
| 11:59 | mchua | feedback++ |
| 12:00 | tomeu | the only interest I got from latina america was dirakx's .co |
| 12:00 | :( | |
| 12:00 | walterbender | the NSF proposal I am finishing up over the next 24 hours will address some of this need as well |
| 12:00 | tomeu | but I plan to keep pushing |
| 12:00 | dirakx | tomeu: me too.. |
| 12:00 | we have to keep on pushing. | |
| 12:00 | tomeu | yup |
| 12:00 | mchua | SeanDaly: anything else we need for ambassadors before I start running with that on local labs (beginning with finding out more about what's going on)? |
| 12:00 | walterbender | we will probably not get the grant, but in the process of writing the proposal I am building very substantial bridges at many universities that we can cultivate |
| 12:01 | SeanDaly | I think we've advanced on the Ambassadors front |
| 12:02 | May I talk SoaS? | |
| 12:02 | My contact at Pantone is out until next week | |
| 12:02 | someone (tomeu?) said Emtec could be receptive? | |
| 12:03 | walterbender | my contact at Belkin gave a polite not at this time last night :( |
| 12:03 | sdziallas | wonder about Kingston... |
| 12:03 | SeanDaly | I have an unanswered question: would SL accept co-branded corporate sticks? (it's usually a case-by-case issue anyway) |
| 12:03 | walterbender | why not? |
| 12:03 | caroline | yes we will |
| 12:04 | tomeu | who has better contacts with emtec, gdium, etc? |
| 12:04 | SeanDaly | Another approach is to seek regular plain old money, with which we could get some very nice SL branded sticks |
| 12:04 | caroline | also the office supply stores |
| 12:04 | walterbender | JT and I have that in mind as well |
| 12:04 | tomeu | SeanDaly: perhaps you could talk and maybe meet with patrick sinz? he's in france, afaik |
| 12:05 | walterbender | oui |
| 12:05 | SeanDaly | In Paris? I visit Paris 1-2 times per month |
| 12:05 | jt4sugar | I am meeting with Marjorie Ringrose-Exec Dir. Social Venture Partners Boston tomorrow |
| 12:05 | walterbender | SeanDaly: oui |
| 12:05 | tomeu | SeanDaly: ok, if nobody else volunteers, I can introduce you to patrick by email |
| 12:06 | walterbender | jt4sugar: still working on proposals for you |
| 12:06 | SeanDaly | tomeu: merci beaucoup ! |
| 12:06 | jt4sugar | walterbender: Thanks |
| 12:06 | dfarning | I would prefer if you did not push patrick on this yet |
| 12:07 | SeanDaly | I saw a site selling fancy machines for flashing 20 sticks at a time... requires Windows XP |
| 12:07 | walterbender | dfarning: OTOH, having Sean meet Patrick would be a very good thing |
| 12:07 | dfarning | our relationships with gdium is more valuable as a distribution mechanism at this point |
| 12:07 | caroline | http://www.staples.com/sbd/con[…]/localgiving.html |
| 12:07 | SeanDaly | Flashing sticks is a minor problem compared to getting hundreds of 'em |
| 12:07 | dfarning | meet very good:) |
| 12:07 | caroline | looks like we can goto local staple stores and talk to the manager. Maybe I'll give this a try. |
| 12:07 | walterbender | dfarning: yes. much more important than free USB sticks |
| 12:09 | SeanDaly | Concerning SoaS I had asked on a list to get some idea of how ready it is... and the silence was deafening ;-) but as I understand it we are not far? |
| 12:09 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: well... |
| 12:10 | mchua | raises hand |
| 12:10 | sdziallas | It isn't really bad, so F10 is booting and so on, but we'll be moving to soas-2 (F11) somewhat soonish. |
| 12:10 | SeanDaly | My understanding is that a likely stable stick will live end of May on Fedora 11... and there is lots of work with other distributions... |
| 12:10 | caroline | today is not a happy day for me. the lates SoaS is not booting but I'm hoping to make progress once the meeting ends. |
| 12:10 | sdziallas | caroline: oh? :/ |
| 12:10 | walterbender | mostly ubuntu, AFAIK |
| 12:10 | caroline | it was looking pretty good last week. |
| 12:10 | sdziallas ticket 450 | |
| 12:10 | SeanDaly | I hope to organize a bootable stick this week |
| 12:11 | mchua | so, regarding getting sticks for marketing... (1) let's not mix this up with specific dev status/news: so long as we're confident a working SoaS will be ready by the time we want to pass out sticks, it's fine. |
| 12:11 | sdziallas | well, I'm planing to push a snapshot based on F11 very soon, so that we can check how well it works with soas-2 |
| 12:11 | mchua | this shouldn't be that complicated, really. |
| 12:11 | SeanDaly | mchua: I'm just not sure when that will be :-) |
| 12:11 | mchua | we need to know (1) how many sticks we need (2) when (3) for what. |
| 12:11 | caroline | Sean could you help us put together a brochure to support us as we goto local office supply stores looking for small donations of sticks? |
| 12:11 | mchua | caroline, you mentioned that our first target is ~100 sticks by April for a conference? |
| 12:11 | sdziallas | points to LinuxTag |
| 12:11 | carline: I'll check that... | |
| 12:11 | caroline | yes |
| 12:11 | mchua | sdziallas: is that earlier than april? |
| 12:12 | SeanDaly | mchua: Caroline mentioned last week a project in the fall |
| 12:12 | sdziallas | mchua: nope, in late june... much time until then. |
| 12:12 | mchua | SeanDaly: okay, but fall is after april. :) |
| 12:12 | SeanDaly | LinuxTag is in June I think? |
| 12:12 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: yep :) |
| 12:12 | caroline | http://spreadsheets.google.com[…]VKzfbn5mlXg&hl=en |
| 12:12 | mchua | Okay, so there's 100 needed in April and then we have at least a month or so after that to recover, get a second batch in. |
| 12:12 | let's ignore everything but the first batch for now. | |
| 12:12 | 100 sticks, they're... what, $10 USD each, maybe? | |
| 12:13 | That's $1000. | |
| 12:13 | Not a horrible amount. | |
| 12:13 | caroline | FossEd is 4/10 |
| 12:13 | tomeu | dfarning, walterbender: ok, I let you decide who introduces SeanDaly to patrick |
| 12:13 | SeanDaly | Less than $10 |
| 12:13 | mchua | Okay, less than $1000 - even better! |
| 12:13 | SeanDaly | For $10 we get very fancy sticks with SugarLabs logos |
| 12:13 | mchua | So let's just focus right now on somebody getting 100 branded sticks to caroline by 4/1, so there's time to flash. |
| 12:13 | SeanDaly | I have looked at half a dozen supplier sites |
| 12:14 | walterbender | tomeu: it isn't a matter of who, it is a matter of the context. |
| 12:14 | mchua | And in the background, if there are more negotiations going on, that's awesome - but this is our first concrete deadline. |
| 12:14 | tomeu | walterbender: well, I think that can you better decide |
| 12:14 | walterbender | tomeu: I'd like Patrick and Sean to talk more strategically than just about USB keys... |
| 12:14 | tomeu | makes sense |
| 12:14 | mchua | SeanDaly, thoughts? I'm being somewhat forceful here, but these are really all proposals. ;) |
| 12:15 | SeanDaly | mchua: I really like the idea of getting 100 sticks done by April 1st |
| 12:15 | mchua | SeanDaly: okay, that's the next deadline for The Swag Project, then. ;) |
| 12:15 | tomeu | I also like the idea of smaller, doable, milestone |
| 12:15 | caroline | I'm willing to go in person to office supply stores to beg. |
| 12:15 | sdziallas | caroline: ticket 450 points me to an invalid number :/ |
| 12:16 | SeanDaly | I can finance upfront but of course my pockets are not super-deep :-) |
| 12:16 | caroline | I just wonder if there is some sort of marketing material that would increase my odds of success |
| 12:16 | tomeu | I guess we could ask for targeted donations for this? |
| 12:16 | caroline | sorry #421 |
| 12:17 | SeanDaly | caroline: marketing much easier if sticks are in hand, they will "personify" the existence of Sugar |
| 12:18 | caroline | Sean, when I go into a store and talk to the manager, what should I say? what should I give him? |
| 12:18 | SeanDaly | just the act of booting a machine up with a stick is like visually, you are adding something to the computer |
| 12:18 | sdziallas | caroline: ah, thanks :) |
| 12:18 | SeanDaly | caroline: you mean before asking for a donation? |
| 12:19 | caroline: I see your point... we need a PDF brochure outlining the mission, with some screencaps, and a nice photo of a stick | |
| 12:19 | caroline | yes exactly |
| 12:19 | jt4sugar | caroline: Say 1/2 sticks for shows 1/2 of sticks for High schoolers to hack-Service learning |
| 12:20 | caroline | jt4 and sticks for doing afterschool lessons with kids. |
| 12:20 | SeanDaly | Sticks will run off like hotcakes if they are reliable |
| 12:20 | tomeu | maybe sticks could be stuck to a brochure? |
| 12:20 | caroline | tomeu, we need the brochure to get the sticks :) |
| 12:21 | SeanDaly | As a deliverable I will sketch a 2-page brochure & we will work on what should be in it |
| 12:21 | caroline | thanks |
| 12:21 | tomeu | caroline: hmm, wonder if won't be easier to get the initial money from community donations instead of from external people |
| 12:21 | as we have the chicken egg problem | |
| 12:21 | caroline | we just need something that the assistant manager can bring to the manager who is no doubt not there when we step in :) |
| 12:21 | SeanDaly | And, that should be done by the 0.84 release (!) |
| 12:22 | caroline | tomeu, let me get a brochure. goto a few stores, see what sort of response I get. |
| 12:22 | If I strike out we can pass the hat internally. but we need to not do that too much if we can help it. | |
| 12:22 | tomeu | caroline: sure |
| 12:22 | SeanDaly | The brochure is really just the elevator pitch, elaborated & illustrated |
| 12:22 | caroline | and it makes us "real" |
| 12:22 | walterbender | but with some SoaS bullets too. |
| 12:23 | SeanDaly | An advantage we have iis that the SoaS footprint is small - the sticks will be cheaper |
| 12:23 | caroline | 1GB is pretty small stick these days |
| 12:23 | walterbender | SeanDaly: Caroline has a list of 10 advantages |
| 12:23 | a Top-10 List | |
| 12:23 | caroline | I do? |
| 12:23 | SeanDaly | The brochure should communicate that we are "alive & kicking" and I think should include a call for volunteers & donors |
| 12:23 | caroline | from my "Improve Learning" |
| 12:24 | "Reduce Costs" doc? | |
| 12:24 | walterbender | caroline: you are doing it wrong... |
| 12:25 | 10. Improve Learning | |
| 12:25 | mchua | caroline, SeanDaly: http://sugarlabs.org/go/MarketingTeam/Swag - draft |
| 12:25 | walterbender | 9, Reduce Cost |
| 12:25 | SeanDaly | And I would like to put pride of place to screen captures showing the richness of Sugar |
| 12:25 | walterbender | 8. :) |
| 12:25 | jt4sugar | Support the Sugar on a Stick Test Drive program-Help us improve learning |
| 12:26 | SeanDaly | Re swag: I have also investigated branded lanyards (= small straps) which could 1) hold a SoaS 2) be a shoulder strap for an XO |
| 12:26 | walterbender | 1. Peace on Earth |
| 12:26 | caroline | :). |
| 12:26 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: yes that can work if the release date is announced... and we keep to it |
| 12:26 | mchua | SeanDaly: awesome, add it to http://sugarlabs.org/go/MarketingTeam/Swag ;) |
| 12:27 | SeanDaly | We're running over but mchua you wanted to talk about 0.86 release marketing? |
| 12:27 | mchua | SeanDaly: We can save that for next week. |
| 12:27 | SeanDaly | We do have quite a full plate ;-) |
| 12:28 | mchua | SeanDaly: between this week and next week, I'd like to get a well-defined list of marketing projects and their statuses (statii?) listed on the wiki page, so it's easier to keep track of what is going on |
| 12:28 | SeanDaly: can work with you on that immediately after meeting if you'd like - I think I'm mostly done with it by now | |
| 12:28 | SeanDaly | mchua: +1, I only edited the wiki for the first time this week so I'll get up to speed with that |
| 12:29 | mchua | Awesome. This will be a baptism by fire, then. ;) I'll pass my wiki ninja skillz to you. |
| 12:29 | SeanDaly | just one comment, I prefer to talk about goals & deliverables than tasks... a deliverable can be broken down into a dozen tasks & I need time to do rather than note what i'm doing :-) |
| 12:30 | OK shall we stop here? I think mchua you are holding the scepter this time | |
| 12:30 | tomeu | can I slide one last topic? |
| 12:30 | or can be left for next week | |
| 12:30 | SeanDaly | tomeu: shoot |
| 12:31 | tomeu | it's about publishing some kind of stories about people that have done cool stuff in the sugarlabs community |
| 12:31 | mchua | deliverables are great. feel free to ignore my yammering about tasks at any time. :) |
| 12:31 | tomeu | so other people get the feeling that they don't need to be or do anything special in order to contribute |
| 12:31 | can be a short interview, for example | |
| 12:31 | SeanDaly | tomeu: do we know folk with such stories? |
| 12:32 | tomeu | SeanDaly: you! |
| 12:32 | my favorites are caroline and dfarning | |
| 12:32 | SeanDaly | tomeu: as you know I am a journalist & interviewer |
| 12:32 | jt4sugar | Sugar Labs community member of the week? |
| 12:32 | tomeu | because they appear one day from the air and have done really awesome contributions |
| 12:32 | SeanDaly | But interviewing myself is going a bit far :D |
| 12:32 | tomeu | SeanDaly: we have lots of lovely stories like that |
| 12:33 | aleksey lim would be a nice and recent one | |
| 12:33 | caroline | I hope we can shortly create a program where people can do Sugar Play with groups of kids and get press about it. |
| 12:33 | tomeu | heh, that's a good idea |
| 12:33 | SeanDaly | I am equipped to record phone interviews & of course in person |
| 12:33 | caroline | we need a good word for it "Sugar Labs" is over used. Sugar Lessons is too strucutred. |
| 12:33 | erikos_ | #endmeeting |
| 12:34 | mchua | trying to think in terms of deliverables like SeanDaly here, would a good one be to have a list of, say, 5 short stories/interviews/profiles online by the 0.84 release date so that we can point people to it as fun supplementary promo / join this community stuff? |
| 12:34 | SeanDaly | It's crazy how much exposure a popular YouTube video can generate |
| 12:34 | mchua | erikos_: I think you have to /nick erikos first |
| 12:34 | caroline | yeah we need a viral video :) |
| 12:34 | tomeu | SeanDaly: I guess interview by email could do? not sure how mchua interviewed bernie long ago |
| 12:34 | erikos | #endmeeting |