| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 09:06 |
gregdek |
Okey doke. |
| 09:06 |
|
rummages for task list in pockets. |
| 09:07 |
tomeu |
gregdek: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]nuary/011224.html |
| 09:07 |
|
knows gregdek reads email with a month of delay |
| 09:07 |
gregdek |
LOL |
| 09:07 |
|
Not quite a month. :) |
| 09:07 |
erikos |
is here of course |
| 09:07 |
tomeu |
enough so that stuff has fixed by itself or is no longer relevant :p |
| 09:08 |
gregdek |
Right, brilliant, then. |
| 09:08 |
tomeu |
morgs wanted to attend, I guess he will appear in a bit |
| 09:08 |
gregdek |
Sssssh, tomeu, you'll reveal all of my "managerial secrets". ;) |
| 09:08 |
tomeu |
I have been doing that lately :p |
| 09:08 |
gregdek |
Good call. :) |
| 09:08 |
|
All right, then -- I guess the first item is Sugar on a Stick. |
| 09:09 |
|
Which seems to be making tremendous strides, from all I've seen. |
| 09:09 |
|
Is it stable enough to bring the entire world to start testing it? |
| 09:09 |
erikos |
gregdek: yes we miss the latest activities though |
| 09:09 |
gregdek |
Is it because they are not bundled as Fedora packages? |
| 09:09 |
erikos |
gregdek: i want to send a call to fedora-olpc today |
| 09:10 |
|
some are (like imageviewer) |
| 09:10 |
|
some have just not been packaged for F11 yet i think |
| 09:10 |
tomeu |
erikos: is it still an 800 terabyte download? |
| 09:10 |
|
if so, we should provide rsync for the poor souls like me |
| 09:11 |
gregdek |
I have a question about the start page for Browse. |
| 09:11 |
erikos |
tomeu: 641MB |
| 09:11 |
mchua |
speaking of "the entire world testing it," there are some folks in welly here who are doing sugar testing in... *counts* about 30 hours, if there are any requests on things to attack. |
| 09:11 |
gregdek |
Is it set to the Activities page by default? |
| 09:11 |
morgs |
is back :) |
| 09:11 |
gregdek |
mchua: Brilliant! |
| 09:11 |
tomeu |
gregdek: I think that that's up to distros |
| 09:12 |
|
gregdek: or do you think all sugar distros should point to the same webpage? |
| 09:12 |
gregdek |
I do. |
| 09:12 |
erikos |
mchua: excellent - they should look for the latest SoaS announcements then |
| 09:12 |
tomeu |
btw, can we add an action item to trim down the soas image and to add rsync services? |
| 09:12 |
gregdek |
Distros have enough decisions to make, and Sugar is peripheral enough that they won't notice. |
| 09:12 |
tomeu |
two, actually |
| 09:12 |
erikos |
tomeu: sounds good to me |
| 09:12 |
mchua |
ok - erikos, gregdek, can you email test results to testing lists.laptop.org and cc me after this meeting? I'm going to make another attempt to become unconscious. :) |
| 09:12 |
gregdek |
(Yes, we can add that item.) |
| 09:13 |
tomeu |
gregdek: will OLPC get angry if our zillion users bring their wiki down? |
| 09:13 |
gregdek |
tomeu: I hope so. :) |
| 09:13 |
|
Knocking down the OLPC wiki is a success condition. ;) |
| 09:13 |
|
OK, so a couple of threads here: |
| 09:13 |
tomeu |
mchua: sleep well |
| 09:13 |
gregdek |
1. action item to trim down soas. I can add that, and I know sebastian is already working on it. |
| 09:13 |
|
*hug* mchua nite nite! |
| 09:14 |
|
goes to add that right now. |
| 09:14 |
erikos |
mchua: sleep well and save travel |
| 09:14 |
tomeu |
yeah, probably we already have some kickstart recipes for that |
| 09:15 |
gregdek |
2. Get more activities for SoaS, and/or point the browser to the activities page by default. |
| 09:15 |
|
Is there any objection to that, btw? |
| 09:15 |
|
Pointing the browser to [[Activities]]? |
| 09:16 |
morgs |
+1 |
| 09:16 |
tomeu |
sounds good to me |
| 09:16 |
erikos |
gregdek: we might get a new page soon |
| 09:17 |
tomeu |
in the last weeks, I have been hearing problems from people that tried to install a .xo and didn't worked |
| 09:17 |
erikos |
gregdek: when the activities move to sugar labs |
| 09:17 |
tomeu |
because of dependencies on thier base systems |
| 09:17 |
gregdek |
Oooo. |
| 09:17 |
|
Sigh. |
| 09:17 |
tomeu |
erikos: are there any plans on that? |
| 09:17 |
|
addons.s.o should help with that |
| 09:17 |
erikos |
tomeu: right - don't know maybe we can bring it up at the activityteam meeting tomorrow |
| 09:18 |
gregdek |
The question of unmapped dependencies continues to be critical. |
| 09:18 |
morgs |
(BTW talking about packaging activities, we should package olpcgames - the pygame wrapper for Sugar.) |
| 09:18 |
gregdek |
And always will be in the multi-distro world. |
| 09:18 |
erikos |
gregdek: so first item regarding activities - the sucrose ones should all be packaged in fedora and available in soas |
| 09:18 |
gregdek |
erikos: does "should" == "are"? |
| 09:18 |
|
Or do you not know? |
| 09:19 |
erikos |
gregdek: no - that was a 'must' from me ;p |
| 09:19 |
|
gregdek: for example: * chat 62 (is version 47 in F11) |
| 09:19 |
gregdek |
erikos: Got it. |
| 09:19 |
|
OK, so... |
| 09:19 |
|
Here's another question. |
| 09:19 |
tomeu |
about dependencies, I think we should consider all the dependencies of sucrose activities as dependencies of sugar. so we can clearly say if one activity bundle is compatible with sugar 0.84 or not |
| 09:19 |
gregdek |
Are you expecting these to be packaged for F10, F11, or both? |
| 09:19 |
|
tomeu: YES. |
| 09:20 |
morgs |
tomeu: so sugar depends on libabiword, pygame, etc? |
| 09:20 |
tomeu |
morgs: yeah |
| 09:20 |
erikos |
gregdek: for F11 - since we do use sugar from F11 as well |
| 09:20 |
tomeu |
so we can do the same that firefox does |
| 09:20 |
|
or the rest of mozilla apps that have addons |
| 09:20 |
morgs |
(ah, pygame's not required for fructose, but for honey) |
| 09:20 |
gregdek |
erikos: Very good. |
| 09:21 |
erikos |
gregdek: i want to send another note about that to fedora-olpc (since fab for example is still trying to package for example the connect activity) |
| 09:21 |
gregdek |
erikos: Yes, please. |
| 09:21 |
erikos |
gregdek: his power can be used otherwise |
| 09:21 |
|
gregdek: ok |
| 09:21 |
gregdek |
erikos: I would also like to blog about it. |
| 09:22 |
|
Time to make another call for activity packagers, and the fewer we have to concentrate on, the better. |
| 09:22 |
erikos |
yeah about to make a list |
| 09:22 |
|
so this is in glucose: |
| 09:22 |
|
* read 63 () |
| 09:22 |
|
* chat 62 (is version 47 in F11) |
| 09:22 |
|
* terminal 21 |
| 09:22 |
|
* imageviewer 5 |
| 09:22 |
|
* jukebox 6 |
| 09:22 |
|
* turtleart 23 |
| 09:22 |
|
* browse 103 |
| 09:22 |
|
* etoys 99 |
| 09:22 |
|
* write 61 |
| 09:22 |
|
* calculate 28 |
| 09:23 |
|
* log 16 |
| 09:23 |
|
* pippy 25 |
| 09:23 |
gregdek |
Hell yeah. |
| 09:23 |
|
You know what? Let me send the email. Take me two minutes. |
| 09:24 |
|
Are these all in Sugar's git, btw? |
| 09:24 |
erikos |
gregdek: ok - you have a better impact i am sure ;p |
| 09:24 |
|
gregdek: pippy and etoys are not (yet) |
| 09:24 |
gregdek |
OK. |
| 09:24 |
erikos |
gregdek: we have a new maintainer for pippy (yeay) since this week |
| 09:25 |
gregdek |
Who? |
| 09:25 |
erikos |
gregdek: hope we make progress on this end soon now |
| 09:25 |
|
gregdek: bobby (powers) |
| 09:26 |
gregdek |
All right. I will make the call for activities. |
| 09:26 |
|
Anything else about SoaS to talk about? |
| 09:26 |
erikos |
oh no brian jordan - sorry |
| 09:27 |
tomeu |
not from me |
| 09:27 |
erikos |
no - i think i am fine - i will make sure to cc the fedora list |
| 09:27 |
tomeu |
other than I like "Sugar stick" as a name |
| 09:27 |
erikos |
so we can get feedback from them them |
| 09:27 |
tomeu |
from than soas |
| 09:27 |
|
s/from/more |
| 09:27 |
erikos |
tomeu: names always names... |
| 09:27 |
gregdek |
Well, I like lollipop. ;) |
| 09:28 |
|
Because then we can call activity developers "The Lollipop Guild". |
| 09:28 |
tomeu |
ok, let;s move on ;) |
| 09:28 |
gregdek |
Yes. Let's. :) |
| 09:28 |
erikos |
tomeu: if the product is good you can call it spinach and the kids will use it |
| 09:28 |
gregdek |
The Active task list next, yes? |
| 09:28 |
erikos |
yup sounds good |
| 09:28 |
gregdek |
http://sugarlabs.org/go/Develo[…]TODO#Active_Tasks |
| 09:28 |
morgs |
wonders if sugar stick would work on http://www.gumstix.com/ :) |
| 09:29 |
gregdek |
* Importing bugs from OLPC trac to Sugar trac. |
| 09:29 |
|
Any progress on the import tool? |
| 09:30 |
erikos |
nope - maybe tomeu? |
| 09:30 |
tomeu |
gregdek: no, I guess need to talk with m_stone about that? |
| 09:30 |
|
gregdek: do we have the green light from OLPC? |
| 09:31 |
erikos |
tomeu: i think ed gave it in the email |
| 09:31 |
|
gregdek: as ressources are little we focused a bit on soas first |
| 09:31 |
morgs |
Well, they should at least be reported upstream... |
| 09:31 |
tomeu |
ok, I'll ask m_stone if he agrees on giving me access to xml rpc |
| 09:31 |
gregdek |
"Hi, folks - I'm generally inclined to agree with Marco here (gregdek's |
| 09:31 |
|
option #3, with Fedora covered as well). I'd like to get cjb's opinion on |
| 09:31 |
|
whether there's some flag/field we'd like to set in our trac instance when |
| 09:31 |
|
doing the close, so there's a standard way of identifying "bugs that went to |
| 09:31 |
|
SL", etc. |
| 09:31 |
|
" |
| 09:32 |
|
erikos: Agreed. |
| 09:32 |
tomeu |
I guess I could add a tag? |
| 09:32 |
|
no need for a new field |
| 09:32 |
gregdek |
So yes, Ed's take is close the bugs in OLPC, and indicate in the bug that it was moved to SL trac. |
| 09:32 |
erikos |
tomeu: tag sounds good to me |
| 09:33 |
morgs |
and a comment giving the URL of the new bug in d.s.o? |
| 09:33 |
gregdek |
Yep. |
| 09:33 |
tomeu |
ok |
| 09:33 |
gregdek |
In everyone's copious free time, of course. :) |
| 09:34 |
|
All right, it seems clear what needs to be done, so I guess we can move on. |
| 09:34 |
erikos |
agreed |
| 09:34 |
gregdek |
* Restructure the development team wiki. |
| 09:35 |
|
I don't see marco here, and this is his item. |
| 09:35 |
|
Does anyone know if he completed this to his satisfaction? I suspect not. |
| 09:36 |
erikos |
gregdek: don't think so |
| 09:36 |
gregdek |
Then we'll move on. |
| 09:37 |
tomeu |
yeah |
| 09:37 |
gregdek |
A few bugs punted to 0.86... which we should probably just remove from the TODO and annotate as "blocking 0.86" in trac... |
| 09:37 |
|
...oh, that reminds me. |
| 09:37 |
|
Do we have a mechanism to say "this bug blocks release"? |
| 09:38 |
tomeu |
turns to BugMaster erikos |
| 09:38 |
erikos |
we have a severity blocker |
| 09:38 |
gregdek |
OK. |
| 09:38 |
|
I'll probably ask about this more later. |
| 09:38 |
erikos |
and if this combined with the milestone set to a certain release makes it a blocker for the release i would say |
| 09:39 |
gregdek |
Right. |
| 09:39 |
|
Just important to have a one-click that says "these are the MUSTFIX bugs". I'm sure we'll nail this down. |
| 09:39 |
|
Moving on. |
| 09:39 |
erikos |
and the milestone can only be set by the release team |
| 09:40 |
|
gregdek: yup - we can filter for that |
| 09:40 |
gregdek |
All the other stuff in that TODO is really bug/feature bookkeeping that really belongs in trac. |
| 09:40 |
erikos |
so i guess as an action item - the owner moves it to trac? |
| 09:40 |
gregdek |
I will make sure those bugs are moved into trac, if they aren't already there, by our next meeting. |
| 09:40 |
|
No, I'll take them. |
| 09:41 |
|
I need to get a good feel for how trac works, and this is a good exercise. |
| 09:41 |
|
Busy work. Engineers have enough of that. ;) |
| 09:41 |
erikos |
ok sounds good |
| 09:42 |
gregdek |
The only thing on the TODO list that leaves is activities.sl.o. |
| 09:42 |
|
tomeu: How goes? |
| 09:42 |
tomeu |
gregdek: mchua is taking the lead on it |
| 09:43 |
|
we have several volunteers, but no coordinated effort I know of |
| 09:43 |
gregdek |
Well, then, I guess mchua will sort that out. |
| 09:43 |
|
And I'm sure I'll be talking to her about it. :) |
| 09:43 |
|
changes name on TODO list. |
| 09:43 |
|
All right. |
| 09:43 |
|
So much for the bookkeeping. |
| 09:44 |
|
Anything else we should discuss, or should we just all get back to work? |
| 09:44 |
|
Oh wait... |
| 09:44 |
mchua |
marco == on plane, me == still not sleeping. (productivity, it's kinda addictive.) |
| 09:44 |
gregdek |
was there a third item? |
| 09:44 |
|
Hey mchua! :) |
| 09:44 |
|
Speak of the devil, and the devil appears. ;) |
| 09:44 |
tomeu |
c) Anything that needs to happen before FOSDEM? |
| 09:44 |
gregdek |
While you're here: any comments on activities.sl.o? |
| 09:45 |
|
(thanks tomeu) |
| 09:45 |
erikos |
yup - i think we should be able to get soas into shape to have something to show at FOSDEM |
| 09:45 |
mchua |
yup, they're right here: http://blog.melchua.com/2009/0[…]ctivites-hosting/ |
| 09:45 |
erikos |
an url to give and say - hey try it out |
| 09:45 |
tomeu |
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]nuary/011223.html |
| 09:46 |
|
erikos: yup, an url printed in stickers ;) |
| 09:46 |
erikos |
tomeu: that would actually be cool |
| 09:46 |
|
tomeu: or a button |
| 09:47 |
|
has some fedora stickers he can recompose |
| 09:47 |
|
tomeu: anything else that needs to be ready for FOSDEM? |
| 09:47 |
tomeu |
hmm |
| 09:48 |
|
slides for my talk? :p |
| 09:48 |
gregdek |
Does Sugar have a booth? |
| 09:48 |
erikos |
as Sugar Labs is poor we have no money to hand out cds and dvds |
| 09:48 |
tomeu |
gregdek: we could share one, but nobody volunteered to man it |
| 09:48 |
gregdek |
erikos: We should have a station that allows people to put SoaS. |
| 09:48 |
|
Let's make sure that you can get SoaS at the Fedora booth. I will work on this. |
| 09:48 |
tomeu |
gregdek: I think we could ask the GNOME people for a meter of their booth, like last year |
| 09:48 |
erikos |
gregdek: yeah that would be enough i guess |
| 09:48 |
gregdek |
Hey, we can ask lots of folks. |
| 09:49 |
tomeu |
gregdek: that would be great |
| 09:49 |
erikos |
gregdek: excellent - i would like that |
| 09:49 |
|
felt always welcome from Fedora people |
| 09:49 |
tomeu |
but this year I cannot be in the booth, have meetings with mandriva, caixa magica, gdium, etc |
| 09:49 |
mchua |
can someone near fosdem hit a local print shop? stickers are fast and cheap. http://www.stickergiant.com/cu[…]/onetwocolors.php or similar. |
| 09:50 |
gregdek |
God, FOSDEM is gonna be brutal. |
| 09:50 |
|
I'm there for, like, four different things. |
| 09:50 |
|
Sigh. |
| 09:50 |
erikos |
poor greg |
| 09:50 |
gregdek |
LOL |
| 09:50 |
tomeu |
RH tries to do too many things, they should drop everything and focus on sugar |
| 09:51 |
gregdek |
tomeu: Right. Who needs money? ;) |
| 09:51 |
mchua |
would fly to fosdem and help out if last-minute tickets were available. ;) (...yeah, I know....) |
| 09:51 |
erikos |
i am ok to hang out at the booth |
| 09:51 |
tomeu |
right! dirty money! |
| 09:51 |
gregdek |
mchua: Sticker giant is CHEAP! |
| 09:51 |
|
OMG! |
| 09:51 |
erikos |
lets make sure we have soas rock by monday |
| 09:52 |
|
and then we can print stickers |
| 09:52 |
tomeu |
if we decided to get a booth when we get there and succeed, what stuff would we need? |
| 09:52 |
erikos |
must have something first he can be proud of |
| 09:52 |
tomeu |
stickers, an XO, an eeepc, ... |
| 09:52 |
morgs |
thinks it should be Sugar Sticky... :) |
| 09:52 |
tomeu |
business cards? |
| 09:52 |
gregdek |
Business cards would be great. |
| 09:53 |
tomeu |
every new name I hear I like it more than the previous ones |
| 09:53 |
erikos |
yeah - we should talk to christian about it |
| 09:53 |
tomeu |
yeah, everybody as me those when I'm in a booth |
| 09:53 |
erikos |
do we have a logo for them? |
| 09:53 |
tomeu |
s/as/ask |
| 09:53 |
gregdek |
Ah yes. Do we have a logo? |
| 09:53 |
erikos |
if our marketing head does not know that... ;p |
| 09:53 |
tomeu |
we have two logo formats, one of those should work |
| 09:54 |
erikos |
tomeu: url? |
| 09:54 |
tomeu |
erikos: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Logo |
| 09:55 |
erikos |
likes the usage section |
| 09:56 |
gregdek |
All right. |
| 09:56 |
|
I am going to try to get Sugar stickers printed thru Sticker Giant today. |
| 09:56 |
|
They're cheap enough that I'll just do it. |
| 09:56 |
|
The question is shipping, but I'll give it a shot. |
| 09:56 |
erikos |
gregdek: giving an url on itwould be cool |
| 09:57 |
gregdek |
erikos: what url would you like? |
| 09:57 |
|
I favor "join.sugarlabs.org". :) |
| 09:57 |
|
Which we could redirect to wherever. |
| 09:57 |
morgs |
git.sugarlabs.org! :-P |
| 09:57 |
gregdek |
LOL |
| 09:57 |
|
Um, no. ;) |
| 09:57 |
erikos |
yeah - the envisioned landing page :/ |
| 09:58 |
|
gregdek: so i guess sugarlabs.org |
| 09:58 |
mchua |
+1 join.sl.o |
| 09:58 |
erikos |
gregdek: and help christian get the landing page done |
| 09:59 |
gregdek |
Well, it won't be done by FOSDEM. |
| 09:59 |
|
thinks. |
| 09:59 |
|
All right. |
| 09:59 |
|
I'm going to drive the sticker stuff and the landing page. |
| 10:00 |
erikos |
gregdek: maybe we can speed things up if we give christian a dead line ;p |
| 10:00 |
|
ourselves as well of course |
| 10:00 |
gregdek |
Always possible. |
| 10:00 |
tomeu |
wasn't he waiting for content from other people? |
| 10:00 |
erikos |
tomeu: yeah think so :( |
| 10:02 |
|
maybe we should sum up - to make clear what acion items we have |
| 10:02 |
|
? |
| 10:02 |
tomeu |
+1 |
| 10:04 |
gregdek |
Sorry. |
| 10:04 |
|
So. |
| 10:04 |
erikos |
takes Soas and [poking fedora people (make the situation clear) if greg has not done so yet] |
| 10:04 |
gregdek |
1. Stickers/business cards. I'm working this out with Mel right now. |
| 10:04 |
|
2. Making SoaS more awesomer, including slimming? |
| 10:05 |
|
3. Another call for Sugar activities to be packaged, gregdek has the list and will put out the call. |
| 10:06 |
erikos |
4. landing page |
| 10:06 |
mchua |
is pushing forth addons.sl.o and Getting Swag To FOSDEM. If testinglists.laptop.org is emailed in the next 24 hours, will get Welly testers to attack anything you want QA-ified. |
| 10:06 |
gregdek |
4. landing page, right. |
| 10:06 |
erikos |
mchua: that would be item 5 since you were late ;p |
| 10:07 |
mchua |
roll landing page into my "swag for FOSDEM" item, since the sticker had better point to an URL that works and looks good... |
| 10:07 |
erikos |
mchua: awesome - christian schmidt is the designer to talk to |
| 10:07 |
|
mchua: and i think we had several calls on iaep for content |
| 10:08 |
gregdek |
mchua: I have already, in my mind. |
| 10:09 |
|
All right. |
| 10:09 |
|
Seems like we have clear marching orders. |
| 10:09 |
|
Any other questions/comments? |
| 10:09 |
mchua |
erikos: i'm going to look for those iaep calls for content, but url pointers would rock too |
| 10:10 |
|
yeah, if you're going to FOSDEM and want business cards, EMAIL ME |
| 10:10 |
erikos |
mchua: yeah i just look for it |
| 10:10 |
gregdek |
mchua: Make that call on the mailing list too. :) |
| 10:10 |
mchua |
and tell FOSDEM people to email me. |
| 10:10 |
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yep, will mailing list as well, but it never hurts esp. since I'm making a print order in 48 hours. |
| 10:11 |
erikos |
mchua: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Market[…]ugar_Labs_website |
| 10:11 |
mchua |
"Deadline for final copy: Dec 8" |
| 10:11 |
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chuckles |
| 10:11 |
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oh boy. |
| 10:11 |
erikos |
mchua: the email was on slobs - forwaded to you |
| 10:12 |
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is embarrased |
| 10:12 |
tomeu |
what can you expect from a slob? |
| 10:12 |
erikos |
;p |
| 10:12 |
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better we get into action now! |
| 10:12 |
gregdek |
Let's ROLL! |
| 10:12 |
erikos |
rome is not lost yet! |
| 10:12 |
tomeu |
:) |
| 10:13 |
mchua |
thanks erikos! |
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(gregdek: #endmeeting when you're ready) |
| 10:13 |
gregdek |
I will endmeeting in 5... |
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