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| 13:10 | scs_scs | rralcala: Anish dice que le llames de vuelta si hace falta |
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| 16:41 | aldoa | car|0s: buenas tardes |
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| 17:42 | bernie | car|0s: buenas |
| 17:43 | car|0s | bernie, hello |
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| 20:36 | m_anish | rralcala1, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rebuilding_OLPC_kernel |
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| 21:59 | m_anish | rralcala, ping |
| 21:59 | rralcala | m_anish: pong |
| 21:59 | m_anish | rralcala, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]ng_custom_kernels |
| 22:08 | rralcala | m_anish: Thank you |
| 22:11 | m_anish | bernie, ping, atm, schools are closed and only testing that can be done would be by edu team... |
| 22:12 | bernie, current plan of action is delivering them a stable tested build by 1 feb, they testing for 1-1.5 wks, reporting issues, we fixing and deliverring a working build by 22 feb | |
| 22:12 | rralcala, ^^ pls comment if i missed anything | |
| 22:13 | bernie | m_anish: it seems too late. |
| 22:14 | m_anish: I think you'd better deliver to them a not-so-stable and not-so-well-tested build sooner, and iterate a few times | |
| 22:14 | m_anish: explain very well to them that you're going to fix a few bugs every time you give them a new test release, until we get something very solid. | |
| 22:15 | m_anish: they might be scared and bothered by this idea that there are "many versions", but that's life. | |
| 22:15 | m_anish | bernie, so instead of one iteration, maybe have two? rralcala what do you think? |
| 22:16 | bernie | m_anish: they should be already used to update their laptops frequently, because we did 2 release cycles last year |
| 22:16 | rralcala: ^^^ do you agree? ^^^ | |
| 22:16 | m_anish: 3-4 iterations seems better to me | |
| 22:16 | m_anish: one release per week, or even more often | |
| 22:16 | m_anish: you can't get 100 things right in just one try | |
| 22:17 | m_anish: also, they need time to test and report bugs, and you need time to fix them. | |
| 22:17 | m_anish | bernie, from what rralcala told me the formadores won't be available to test till beginning of feb! |
| 22:18 | bernie | m_anish: all large sw projects (gnome, kde, ubuntu, fedora, kernel, windows...) have several betas or release candidates before issuing a stable release. |
| 22:18 | m_anish: maybe you can get kids to test | |
| 22:18 | m_anish | bernie, i think what we can do is just give them as stable a build as possible (that doesn't blow up every 5 mins) and have the new features rolled in slowly via the yum updater |
| 22:18 | bernie | m_anish: in my experience, the formadores don't really find many bugs. the kids do. |
| 22:19 | m_anish | bernie, the schools are closed, no kids (acc. to rralcala ) |
| 22:19 | there were some summer camps in dec but they're over now | |
| 22:19 | bernie | m_anish: yes, the updater will let you do the stabilization releases later on. |
| 22:19 | rralcala | bernie: I don't think that they like to do a lot of field testing, as they are with very little time |
| 22:19 | bernie | m_anish: kids in caacupe are often available to test outside school. carla knows a lot of them |
| 22:20 | m_anish | bernie, meanwhile have a pipeline/mechanism upstream to do basic testing of new rpms, which we can 'safely' pass to the edu team? |
| 22:20 | bernie | rralcala: i had this same problem with them last year: they want stability, but they're unwilling to test. I tried to explain that there's no way to ensure things work without testing, but I'm not sure the message got through. |
| 22:20 | m_anish | upstream=dx/mainline |
| 22:20 | bernie | rralcala: testing with kids is a nice alternative strategy. they're very enthusiastic to test new things and they give good feedback. |
| 22:21 | rralcala: and they know how to use sugar better than we do | |
| 22:22 | rralcala | bernie: I dont think so about the message going through, but, about the kids, the idea is to give ED. team a semi-tested build |
| 22:22 | bernie: after their aproval, were going to caacupe with the updater so kids can give us feedback | |
| 22:22 | m_anish | rralcala, maybe 2-3 semi-tested builds better than one? |
| 22:22 | bernie | rralcala: but, tested by whom? we're no good at finding bugs because we don't use the sw like users do |
| 22:23 | rralcala: artificial test plans don't work very well (ask carlos) | |
| 22:23 | rralcala | bernie: I can :) |
| 22:23 | bernie | m_anish: the more interim builds, the better the end quality you'll reach |
| 22:23 | rralcala | bernie: anyway, they will not do that much testing, and by that they aprove us to go to caacupe with their concern |
| 22:24 | bernie | rralcala: well, if we can fix bugs later on when they appear in the field, it's not a big problem |
| 22:25 | m_anish | rralcala, maybe we can get the kids to do the testing? every effort we make now will probably save us 3x the effort later on. |
| 22:25 | rralcala | bernie: true, It depends very much on the succes of the updater |
| 22:25 | bernie | rralcala: as you said, getting the OS updater done is the highest priority now. |
| 22:26 | rralcala | bernie: ànd also, confirming that it actually works |
| 22:26 | In caacupe condition i mean | |
| 22:27 | m_anish | rralcala, we better have some real good/big rpms to test with by then :) |
| 22:28 | rralcala | m_anish: Yeap, from a 100 Mt away from the AP and with little battery |
| 22:29 | bernie: The idea is: develteam: I think that this build is stable, edteam: We also think that, develteam: Ok were going to update an entire school | |
| 22:29 | bernie: and after that we rely on kids and updater | |
| 22:31 | m_anish | bernie, you said carla knows some kids who could test, she'll be back in a week from vacation. maybe we can start kids testing in parallel to our work then. |
| 22:31 | rralcala, ^^^ | |
| 22:32 | rralcala | m_anish: We can work with kids living on downtown |
| 22:34 | m_anish | rralcala, great! how soon? |
| 22:34 | rralcala, bernie we need to refresh the list of activities with updated versions real soon as well :), i'll work with dfarning on this | |
| 22:37 | rralcala | m_anish: We've to ask carla and see if she can form a group that wants to go to caacupe office to test, we've a ex-formador in the tech team now |
| 22:39 | how do I sign runos.zip and runrd.zip anyone? | |
| 22:40 | m_anish | rralcala, that would be great. I actually wish to go to caacupe more often as well :) |
| 22:40 | has to run :/ | |
| 22:46 | bernie | m_anish: testing in parallel would be good. you can't ever do enough of that... |
| 22:46 | rralcala: oh really? who is it? | |
| 22:47 | rralcala | Juan Guillen |
| 22:47 | bernie | rralcala: the easiest way to sign runos and runrd is letting olpc-os-builder do it as part of the build process |
| 22:47 | rralcala | Ok |
| 22:48 | bernie: I like to generate a build for a 4gb SD Card | |
| 22:48 | bernie | rralcala: enable the "signing" module and configure the .ini file with the deployment keys |
| 22:48 | rralcala | bernie: according to the wiki we CAN boot with security enable, Am i right? |
| 22:48 | bernie | rralcala: I think m_anish already knows how to do that. if not, let me know and I'll try to guide you from here |
| 22:48 | rralcala: but I'm leaving in 30 mins | |
| 22:49 | rralcala | bernie: Ok, Thank you very much |
| 22:49 | bernie | rralcala: yes, our builds, if signed, will boot with security enabled on our laptops |
| 22:49 | rralcala: our keys don't work with other olpc laptops though | |
| 22:49 | rralcala | From SD bay too right? |
| 22:49 | bernie | rralcala: I think so |
| 22:49 | rralcala: yes, most definitely yes | |
| 22:50 | rralcala: as long as everything's signed | |
| 22:50 | rralcala | bernie: Thanks for confirming that |
| 22:50 | bernie | rralcala: for testing, using the external sd card doesn't actually save much time |
| 22:50 | rralcala: it's better to reflash the machine | |
| 22:50 | rralcala: may be different for the XO-1.5 | |
| 22:51 | rralcala | bernie: The idea is to recover machines with storage issues |
| 22:51 | 1.0 | |
| 22:51 | bernie | rralcala: ah yes. good idea then |
| 22:51 | rralcala | bernie: because we?e short on motherboards not to say zero |
| 22:54 | bernie | rralcala: the spare parts did not include some new motherboards? |
| 22:55 | rralcala | bernie: We've used all of them, we have about 250/3800 replaced |
| 22:56 | bernie | rralcala: oh, cool. what's the current situation of broken laptop? |
| 22:56 | rralcala | bernie: And almost everyone has at least a red dot (more that 10 commonly) in the disk check |
| 22:57 | bernie | rralcala: that's not problematic... jffs2 does bad block handling automatically |
| 22:58 | rralcala: when the flash completely dies, it's not due to too many bad blocks. it may be a broken chip or broken CAFÈ (Camera And Flash Ènabler) | |
| 22:58 | rralcala | bernie: Sure, but there are some that won't boot anymore those are the ones that we'd like to reuse with a SD card |
| 23:21 | bernie | rralcala: sure, I think it's a good idea. there were many like that, I remember |
| 23:45 | rralcala | m_anish: ping |
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