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| 00:01 | [scs] | rgs__: mmm.. |
| 00:01 | rgs__: creo que ahora funciona todo, en realidad | |
| 00:03 | rgs__: lo que no sé es dónde poner aquella función que me diste, function irc(){ screen -D -R;} | |
| 00:05 | rgs__: porque en el caso de zatoichi vi que el .bashrc está linkeado a otra parte... supongo que podría mandar a la mierda el link y hacer mi propio .bashrc | |
| 00:07 | rgs__ | [scs]: aver |
| 00:07 | [scs]: .bashrc.local | |
| 00:08 | [scs]: LibreOffice es la suite de oficina que te mostro EG? | |
| 00:10 | [cronos] | rgs__: Symphony, es de IBM |
| 00:11 | rgs__: entre paréntesis ya se comenzó el programa de software libre en Itaipú | |
| 00:12 | rgs__: estoy con algunos informáticos de Itaipú en un curso de gestión de proyectos y son algo linuxeros los tipos | |
| 00:13 | rgs__: creo que por el tema de la particularidad de la tecnología de usina, y su contacto con brasileros, son algo avanzados | |
| 00:13 | rgs__ | [cronos]: vi lo de itaipu + SL |
| 00:14 | crodas: fantastico | |
| 00:14 | [cronos]: ^ | |
| 00:14 | [cronos] | rgs__: hablame nomás a [scs], le puse hilight también desde acá |
| 00:14 | rgs__ | [scs]: ok |
| 00:14 | -> dormir | |
| 00:15 | [cronos] | rgs__: que descanses profesor, mañana es feriado acá, así que hoy salimos con Bacco |
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| 15:10 | rgs__ | morganya: hi ho |
| 15:11 | morganya: we have a long awaited conversation pending :) | |
| 15:13 | morganya | rgs__: hi! yes, sorry. The hotel internet went out on Monday so I wasn't able to chat then. |
| 15:15 | (seemed to happen a lot in Peru!) | |
| 15:17 | rgs__ | morganya: np, so you would be kind enough to set us both on context of what was pending of discussion? |
| 15:19 | morganya | rgs__: sure. :) I've been doing a bit of number-crunching on the Inventario data and would be happy to do the same for the server logs, if there's a way to scrape them ... you were saying they were pretty incomplete in some ways (the XO doesn't log a lot of data) but I think they could still be interesting. |
| 15:19 | rgs__ | morganya: server logs == journal backups ? |
| 15:20 | morganya | rgs__, bernie: for the Inventario data, Bernie was suspecting that there were more boys breaking laptops than girls ... if you divide it out by breakage type, all the numbers are pretty close except for screen breakages, interestingly. |
| 15:20 | rgs__ | morganya: what type of questions are we trying to answer? Or what type of data (or activities) are we looking for? |
| 15:20 | morganya | rgs__: ah, sorry -- server logs = journal backups and/or internet downloads |
| 15:20 | rgs__ | morganya: well.. it follows conventional wisdom.. girls are much more caring than boys! |
| 15:21 | morganya: internet usage patterns are kind of easy cause we have the (Squid) proxy logs | |
| 15:21 | morganya | though it isn't nearly as bad as Bernie suspected. :) |
| 15:22 | for the journal backups, it depends on exactly what data is there, but frequency of use of different activities during/after school would be one good one that has been hard to get from self-reports. | |
| 15:22 | rgs__ | morganya: journal backups provide some meta info but it ain't as rich as it could be... once I did some analysis on what activities were used the most but my method for calculating this was very naive |
| 15:22 | morganya | (of course, plenty of kids erase their journal, but it's still something ...) |
| 15:23 | rgs__ | morganya: let me see if I get the question you are trying to answer.. which activities are used during school time vs home time? |
| 15:24 | morganya | for the internet patterns, one ofmy overarching goals is to deconstruct "games" -- in academic and journalistic circles, "games" has come to be a proxy for "time-wasting," but as part of this work I would really like to enrich this definition by analyzing different types of games. Internet may not seem like a good proxy for this but when so many games are downloaded ... |
| 15:25 | I have qualitative data on use patterns but I would like to triangulate with some quant data on what games get downloaded and what sites are most popular. | |
| 15:26 | for the internet logs, I'm also interested in what sites overall are most popular -- a kind of pop-culture analysis into students' use. | |
| 15:26 | rgs__ | morganya: we've got abundant logs to do that type of number crunching |
| 15:26 | morganya: so, lets wrap up a plan for the internet usage analysis and lets move to Journal analysis afterwards, sounds good? | |
| 15:26 | morganya | for the journals, yeah, what activities are used in school time vs. home time is a good way to put it. :) I may have others -- often with a dataset I kind of play around making different graphs and seeing what data I can extract from it and generate new questions that way ... |
| 15:27 | sure! | |
| 15:27 | rgs__ | morganya: yikes, I am speaking with the next Malcom Gladwell! |
| 15:27 | :p | |
| 15:27 | morganya | (my ideas for the journals are more vague anyway because I'm less sure about what info is there ...) |
| 15:27 | rgs__ | hopes Morgan likes Malcom G. and takes it as a compliment |
| 15:27 | morganya | ha, I wish! :) |
| 15:27 | yes, very much :) | |
| 15:27 | rgs__ | morganya: so, no rocket science for the internet logs: |
| 15:28 | morganya: you need | |
| 15:28 | 1) permission from pyedu to access them (trivial) | |
| 15:28 | 2) with a bunch [B2) with a few lines of Ruby/Python | |
| 15:28 | we'll be able to toss the data into a DB and run a few queries | |
| 15:29 | and then you'll have to do some hand classification | |
| 15:29 | morganya | rgs__: yeah |
| 15:29 | rgs__ | (i.e.: this set of URLs are math games, etc.) |
| 15:29 | morganya: sounds correct? Am I missing something? | |
| 15:29 | morganya | rgs__: that sounds about right! |
| 15:29 | rgs__ | morganya: [scs] should be able to answer #1 |
| 15:29 | [scs]: ^ | |
| 15:30 | morganya: I suspect they'll want there name on your Pulitzer-winning reports | |
| 15:30 | morganya | ha, of course :) |
| 15:30 | rgs__ | *their |
| 15:30 | morganya: I still have access to school servers, so once we've got [scs]' blessing we can start parsing & crunching the logs | |
| 15:31 | [scs]: ^ | |
| 15:31 | morganya | I should send you some of the breakage graphs, if you're interested, too ... I'm hoping to draw up a document that PyEduca would be interested in publishing about it. |
| 15:31 | rgs__: awesome. :) thank you for your help. | |
| 15:31 | rgs__ | morganya: and that wont get OLPC pissed off (again) ! |
| 15:31 | morganya | yeah :( |
| 15:31 | rgs__ | morganya: haven't done anything yet, but you are welcome |
| 15:31 | morganya | I certainly hope not!!! |
| 15:32 | (not my intention at all, anyway ;)) | |
| 15:32 | rgs__ | morganya: so I'll let you reach scs and wake him up from his crazy party of yesterday |
| 15:32 | morganya | haha :) |
| 15:32 | rgs__ | morganya: in parallel we can discuss the Journal |
| 15:32 | morganya | I'll chat with him later today |
| 15:32 | (since it's a holiday, I'm actually typing from bed :P) | |
| 15:32 | rgs__ | morganya: so, about the anatomy of Journal entries |
| 15:33 | morganya: (happy you - I am working hard from Trento's University visitor's office :p ) | |
| 15:33 | morganya | hehe |
| 15:33 | rgs__ | morganya: each entry has a metadata file associated |
| 15:33 | morganya: which is basically a hash serialized in JSON format (that is, trivially parseable since JSON just rocks and its the best serialization format ever) | |
| 15:33 | bernie: ^ | |
| 15:34 | morganya: let me fetch an entry so we can disect each key/value pair | |
| 15:34 | morganya | ok |
| 15:35 | rgs__ | morganya: we've got the following fields (all of them, mostly, self-descriptive): |
| 15:35 | activity activity_id buddies checksum description icon-color keep mime_type mtime preview progress timestamp title title_set_by_user uid | |
| 15:35 | morganya: things that those values tell us: | |
| 15:35 | 1) what (activity) | |
| 15:36 | 2) when | |
| 15:36 | morganya | ooh! sharing data would be *fascinating* too! |
| 15:36 | (if that's what buddies is) | |
| 15:36 | rgs__ | 3) who (used alone or collaborating with others) |
| 15:36 | 4) did he set a title or he didn't | |
| 15:36 | 5) ... | |
| 15:36 | morganya: (yup - that is what buddies is AFAIK) | |
| 15:36 | morganya | what is progress? |
| 15:36 | rgs__ | morganya: I suspect its a field use for downloaded stuff |
| 15:37 | morganya | keep = whether it was saved? |
| 15:37 | ah yes | |
| 15:37 | and timestamp would be the last time it was touched? or last saved? or created? | |
| 15:38 | ah, there's timestamp and mtime | |
| 15:39 | so mtime is probably last modified, and timestamp is one of the other two (maybe = ctime) | |
| 15:40 | rgs__ | morganya: thinks so (keep == saved) |
| 15:40 | morganya: sorry - gotta run . can we resume this later? :( (sorry sorry) | |
| 15:40 | morganya | sure! |
| 15:40 | this was already very helpful. thanks! | |
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| 18:34 | bernie | rgs__: yes, I agree json kicks xml's ass 42 times |
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| 19:00 | rgs__ | morganya: i am back |
| 19:01 | morganya | rgs__: hi! |
| 19:02 | [scs] is sitting nearby at Carla's house, reading, Marx&Engels | |
| 19:04 | op, actually, it's Weber | |
| 19:11 | rgs__ | morganya: Weber is cool, although I know him superficially |
| 19:11 | morganya: great activity for a Holiday though | |
| 19:11 | morganya: I am planning on getting Noam Chomsky's latest book (Hopes and Prospects) | |
| 19:11 | morganya: sigh.. got to get a shower now because there is a party I have to join from the students here in the dorm of the University of Trento | |
| 19:12 | morganya | rgs__: I haven't seen that one yet myself! |
| 19:12 | rgs__ | morganya: so.. can you drop me a line (rgs AT rieder.net.py) with questions about the fields on the metada of Journal entries? |
| 19:12 | morganya: and how/what you'd like to deduce of them | |
| 19:12 | morganya: I work much better asyncronously (via email) :p | |
| 19:12 | morganya: and sorry for so much latency in our conversations | |
| 19:15 | morganya | rgs__: no problem! I often work better that way myself. Easier to remind myself of the context of a conversation. :) |
| 19:17 | rgs__ | morganya: nice! I'll wait for your lines then |
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