| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 14:20 |
_sj_ |
ok |
| 14:21 |
|
let's start with xo pools, since people are here specifically to talk about that |
| 14:21 |
|
there's a new Boston pool being used by the cambridge friends' school |
| 14:21 |
|
and for a couple outreach events this month |
| 14:22 |
|
a new pool being started in australia/oceania |
| 14:22 |
|
(without a site yet but planning a formal xo library site) |
| 14:22 |
|
a request for a 10 xo pool from bolivia |
| 14:22 |
|
and a request for a new repair center pool from nepal |
| 14:22 |
|
kiko, can you talk about the bolivia pool? |
| 14:22 |
CanoeBerry |
CH pool too? |
| 14:22 |
|
(Switzerland..) |
| 14:23 |
_sj_ |
yes, and a ch pool, related to a project-contest they are running |
| 14:23 |
yamaplos |
Bolinux pool? you mean Bolixo? Bolixo is 10 broken XO, already received and being worked on, then OLE-Bolivia Teacher Training is 80 (requested) |
| 14:23 |
|
Dunno a request for 10 for Bolivia... |
| 14:23 |
_sj_ |
sorry, that was kiko's request, not the bolinux request :) |
| 14:24 |
|
the bolinux request you put on the agenda is the 80 machine project? |
| 14:24 |
icarito |
_sj_: your lost, kiko and I are in peru |
| 14:24 |
kikomayorga |
hi, the one who knows about the bolivia pool is sebastian (icarito). I´m on the hardware repair centre in Lima, called EscueLab. The laptops are here. Were getting them out. Fixing small customs delay |
| 14:24 |
yamaplos |
NO Bolinux project |
| 14:24 |
|
OLE Bolivia = 80 requested, through the DP form |
| 14:24 |
icarito |
that is not a pool of new machines kiko |
| 14:25 |
|
that is a pool of defect machines |
| 14:25 |
kikomayorga |
right. |
| 14:25 |
icarito |
we are here about possible contributor's program |
| 14:25 |
_sj_ |
icarito, I know you are, I was confused about yama's addition to the agenda |
| 14:25 |
CanoeBerry |
kiko: how much did the customs folk rob you? |
| 14:25 |
kikomayorga |
$38.5 for each broken laptop |
| 14:25 |
CanoeBerry |
insane. |
| 14:25 |
kikomayorga |
that we need tyo be fixed |
| 14:25 |
yamaplos |
sorry, bro, I put it right there where it says "updates and reports", all there is is that those guys are working on them, thanks! |
| 14:26 |
_sj_ |
yama, ok |
| 14:26 |
|
kiko: you are requesting another 10 new machines, yes? |
| 14:26 |
mchua_ |
(Sorry about that, wifi disconnected. Can someone send me backlog from meetbot start?) |
| 14:27 |
|
(wait... meetbot logs automatically. nm.) |
| 14:27 |
kikomayorga |
actually we need a special permission for the xos tyo be exonerated.. yes , i am requesting a lot of new ones.... dont wat to loose time with the taxes issue |
| 14:28 |
_sj_ |
kiko: ok. would the new xos be for a contributor/project pool? |
| 14:28 |
kikomayorga |
yes _sj_ we are requesting 10 working ones |
| 14:28 |
_sj_ |
would they also be for the repairs center? |
| 14:28 |
icarito |
_sj_: we would like to pool machines for contributors |
| 14:28 |
|
i already do this informally here |
| 14:28 |
_sj_ |
great. just making sure. |
| 14:28 |
CanoeBerry |
kiko&icarito: will you be submitting this 10-XO contrib program applic soon? |
| 14:28 |
icarito |
i can pool my xos together with kiko's |
| 14:28 |
kikomayorga |
yes. contributors, of course not for the repair_ YES |
| 14:29 |
|
right, escuelb plans to offer infrastructure to contributors progrmas so , this is a host. |
| 14:29 |
mchua_ |
Are these local pools listed on some wiki page somewhere, with instructions on how nearby people can interact with them? homunq was asking before and neither of us could find much on the subject. |
| 14:29 |
kikomayorga |
we can pool them together |
| 14:29 |
icarito |
for me this pooling is a new thing |
| 14:29 |
|
but its a good idea |
| 14:29 |
|
also I'm sure sugarlabs colombia folks will want to take part |
| 14:30 |
|
and I think its crucial for OLPC |
| 14:30 |
yamaplos |
They have all support I can give them - Icarito and I are planning good stuff to happen in the Peru-Bolivia border area |
| 14:30 |
icarito |
to support these efforts |
| 14:30 |
kikomayorga |
right! |
| 14:30 |
befana |
hi all |
| 14:31 |
CanoeBerry |
aside: thanks dsd_ for rescuing Peter Robinson's Contrib Program XO yesterday -- a donor worked with dsd_ and I to pay for shipping (RT30642) |
| 14:31 |
_sj_ |
kiko, seems good to me. |
| 14:31 |
|
mchua, will post on the agedna afterwards, there's not a single place for them now. |
| 14:31 |
|
there's also an accepted request to send a small pool to RedHat India. |
| 14:32 |
yamaplos |
Icarito and friend Al went to La Paz, met with our folks there, both from OLE and independents, have quite a nretwork of support already. besides of course Icaritos' own established name in the comm |
| 14:32 |
_sj_ |
icarito, how many xo's would you pool with kiko's requested 10? |
| 14:32 |
|
we can follow up outside of this meeting. |
| 14:33 |
yamaplos |
whenever we go to new business: 25 for Fez, Morocco, international school |
| 14:33 |
_sj_ |
I think that's the last pool request out; we can move to open requests. |
| 14:33 |
icarito |
i have 1 b4 and 1 c model with a broken screen that I regularly borrow |
| 14:33 |
kikomayorga |
excelent _sj_, we got instructions from adam to fill out "descriptions on the contributor program" it´s also of course beeing communicated to the public, so there will be interaction with interested people locally, and independently |
| 14:33 |
_sj_ |
let's start with the largest ones. yama is requesting 80 for XO based teacher training |
| 14:34 |
|
can you speak a bit about that? |
| 14:34 |
yamaplos |
Sure! |
| 14:34 |
_sj_ |
kiko: yes -- if you need help filling out the application, talk to adam or me immediately after |
| 14:34 |
kikomayorga |
excelent! |
| 14:34 |
yamaplos |
The big deal is to make things happen re: XO-based teacher training |
| 14:34 |
befana |
hi, i was talking with Werner from educalibre, he has a XO with a broken screen too. He needs to change it |
| 14:35 |
yamaplos |
This appears like a new concept, and should - when if successful, - assure infinite scalability up or down |
| 14:35 |
|
OT Werner and folks have been trying to get XOs since the world was new. Bestest ever grassroot work |
| 14:36 |
|
sj: I guess you'd like them to do an application through DB |
| 14:36 |
_sj_ |
yama, what would be the result shared with others? |
| 14:36 |
yamaplos |
the whole caboodle. |
| 14:37 |
|
I mean, the concept is to interactively (teams of teachers + developers) develop these modules |
| 14:37 |
icarito |
_sj_: a working deployment model (that would be new!) |
| 14:37 |
yamaplos |
that then teachers would use. Development would happen in continuous loops |
| 14:37 |
_sj_ |
werner is doing good work, he can certainly get new XOs. but yama, the communication gap with werner and folks is interesting |
| 14:37 |
mchua |
yamaplos: I believe it was walterbender and carla who did XO-based teacher training in peru, they might be good to poke for ideas/materials/what-they-did/tips |
| 14:37 |
yamaplos |
I know. I call it cultural :-) |
| 14:37 |
_sj_ |
who are the folks? I've met with them a couple times and encouraged them to publish/write about projects |
| 14:38 |
yamaplos |
carla never answered a single email from yours truly |
| 14:38 |
_sj_ |
yama, you say 6 months for the whole project |
| 14:38 |
icarito |
i'm sorry to say i've heard complaints from teachers reg'd carla's approach here |
| 14:38 |
_sj_ |
? |
| 14:38 |
dsd_ |
yamaplos: i think every country does XO teacher training.. this is nothing new |
| 14:38 |
icarito |
no depth at all in the training, done in waterfall model, like the game of telephone |
| 14:38 |
yamaplos |
6 mo thereabouts, yes |
| 14:39 |
icarito |
and worse of all no community and no feedback |
| 14:39 |
|
the feedback i got was from the UGEL people in Puno |
| 14:39 |
yamaplos |
+1 They do it with an expert in front of a room, using centuries old wineskins for new wine. It's not working, and u know it. We need to try something that is XO based |
| 14:39 |
icarito |
this is why they are interested in deploying independently from central ministry |
| 14:40 |
|
"la paz is much closer than lima" |
| 14:40 |
_sj_ |
recent requests:http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cont[…]ebruary_6%2C_2009 |
| 14:40 |
yamaplos |
See? already an international wider-base for working the project together |
| 14:40 |
_sj_ |
we'll just touch on the larger ones |
| 14:40 |
dirakx |
hi all. |
| 14:41 |
cjl |
yamaplos: Are you envisioning using something like waltte3rbender's TAPortfiolio as an XO-based content development/presentation tool? |
| 14:41 |
_sj_ |
yama: we need more detail on your project (and any project that needs more than a few XOs to get started) |
| 14:41 |
yamaplos |
I will need to become more familiar with that |
| 14:41 |
_sj_ |
is there a longer project description online somewhere? |
| 14:41 |
CanoeBerry |
Reminder, add your nickname here is poss: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cont[…]ebruary_6%2C_2009 |
| 14:41 |
yamaplos |
I was blown over on the already built in capacity of XOs to play OGV |
| 14:42 |
|
yeah, in the support list emails as per Ed's request |
| 14:42 |
|
somehow my description from the DB did not port to the wiki |
| 14:43 |
|
the details are strictly following your frame, SJ, sent at 1:14 pm today to the support list |
| 14:43 |
|
I'll get them in the wiki, if you want that, no prob |
| 14:45 |
_sj_ |
thanks yama, I haven't seen mail sent just now to support |
| 14:45 |
icarito |
i would like to propose that this contributors program has clear goals and criteria |
| 14:45 |
kikomayorga |
right,, |
| 14:45 |
icarito |
its difficult to understand who are we contributing to |
| 14:45 |
_sj_ |
icarito, you may have been away during the past two discussions about project criteria |
| 14:46 |
|
agreed. we should have guidelines posted at [[contributors]] |
| 14:46 |
|
for what makes a good / featured / promoted project |
| 14:46 |
yamaplos |
uh, this subject about criteria was in today's agenda? |
| 14:46 |
icarito |
i've had little interest in this program honestly until i heared you're killing everything else |
| 14:46 |
_sj_ |
and how people can weigh in on new proposals, to rate them up / encourgae them for fast support |
| 14:46 |
icarito |
so tis a channel of communication |
| 14:46 |
kikomayorga |
ok! |
| 14:47 |
_sj_ |
we have a certain amount of hardware we can use to support interesting work, and the definition of 'interesting' |
| 14:47 |
kikomayorga |
i think thats for all of us a contribution |
| 14:47 |
_sj_ |
should be guided largely by the community |
| 14:47 |
yamaplos |
OK, bottom line, do you need anything else about this project? |
| 14:47 |
_sj_ |
yama : I'll read your email, thanks. |
| 14:48 |
icarito |
its unclear to me how this should work, no vendor offers this, and it seems to me the only reason to do it is because you're not selling them in the first place |
| 14:48 |
kikomayorga |
(community supported proposals, (digg like?)) |
| 14:48 |
_sj_ |
primarily : can you get started with less? we're unlikely to give so many laptops to a single new project. can you borrow laptops from a local pool for some of this work, or use emulation? |
| 14:49 |
|
kiko: yes, or by consensus about whether projects meet a set of criteria (so, passing a threshold, not being 'most voted for) |
| 14:49 |
kikomayorga |
yeah,, lending hubs? |
| 14:49 |
_sj_ |
cf: the featured images process on wikipedia |
| 14:49 |
dirakx |
_sj_: what are the diffrences between this new contributor program and the last dev program ? |
| 14:49 |
_sj_ |
kiko: yes, and focusing on how to support projects with temporary loans rather than long-term gifts |
| 14:49 |
yamaplos |
emulation would miss the whole concept, and yes, we can do it with less (we're Bolivians, used to shoestring everything) but to assure a reasonable level of success, 80 is a decent number |
| 14:49 |
_sj_ |
dirakx: this is the developers program, but it's been expanded |
| 14:49 |
|
to include people not doing software work |
| 14:50 |
kikomayorga |
exactly |
| 14:50 |
_sj_ |
there is not a separtae developers progrma; the application process for both is being made transparent |
| 14:50 |
dirakx |
_sj_: the dev program was primarily to people doing hardware work.. |
| 14:50 |
_sj_ |
so that projects are posted and discussed poublicly, and only the details about shipping are handled privately |
| 14:50 |
icarito |
_sj_: "expanded" it has been for a while, without a clear definition of what that means, it seems to me its "exploding" |
| 14:50 |
_sj_ |
dirakx: more software developers in the end, actually. |
| 14:50 |
dirakx |
_sj_:hmm ok |
| 14:50 |
_sj_ |
dirakx: but originally, largely hardware and firmware, yes |
| 14:50 |
|
(when you were here :) |
| 14:51 |
dirakx |
:) |
| 14:51 |
_sj_ |
yama, ok. a good point for discussion as we review the criteria for accepting projects. |
| 14:51 |
yamaplos |
sure, so what's next? |
| 14:51 |
dirakx |
so are we wanting to give this program proper goals in light of what OLPC needs more now.. ? |
| 14:51 |
kikomayorga |
how should we understand the dimensions of the lending hubs you need? |
| 14:51 |
_sj_ |
from the agendea: |
| 14:51 |
yamaplos |
I mean, ton get this approved / nixed / reset |
| 14:52 |
|
? |
| 14:52 |
_sj_ |
a pilot in israel has an open rquest for a b2 upgrade. |
| 14:52 |
|
they've already strated a project with their b2s, and we need an update about whether this is useful... |
| 14:52 |
yamaplos |
BTW, here it is, I'll prettify l8r http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/XObased_TT |
| 14:52 |
|
uh, did we have closure on the OLE Bolivia project? |
| 14:52 |
_sj_ |
the project wasn't going to use much of sugar or hardware aspects of the XOs... |
| 14:52 |
dirakx |
_sj_: i really like israel project for me it would be nice to give them new hardware. |
| 14:53 |
yamaplos |
hello?? |
| 14:53 |
cjl |
_sj_: from guysoft, I get the impression that only having B2's is driving them to consider non-sugar installs. |
| 14:53 |
_sj_ |
yama, I'll have to go through your request point by point, but basically |
| 14:53 |
yamaplos |
Am I the only one who notices the previous item is not closed? |
| 14:53 |
_sj_ |
my personal opinion is that it needs more detail in every point |
| 14:53 |
yamaplos |
you kidding! |
| 14:53 |
_sj_ |
"help from outside orgs" means an org other than the one requesting machines. |
| 14:54 |
|
the local team should be able to list specific members. |
| 14:54 |
kikomayorga |
ok.... |
| 14:54 |
yamaplos |
OK, can you point me to a project that fulfills all your requirements, humbly, pretty pretty please? |
| 14:54 |
icarito |
_sj_: ok fuentelibre, sociedad cientifica univ sn andres, apusol/puno, etc |
| 14:54 |
yamaplos |
That's friends! |
| 14:54 |
icarito |
no, that's organizations |
| 14:54 |
yamaplos |
sj: ? |
| 14:54 |
_sj_ |
a specific set of materials or proposals for what teachres would do over the course of 6 months would be a good start. |
| 14:55 |
yamaplos |
You won't get out this easy, SJ, please, show us what is a _good_ proposal |
| 14:55 |
_sj_ |
sure, I'll send some examples |
| 14:55 |
icarito |
you sent 40 to USMP here in peru |
| 14:55 |
yamaplos |
we're waiting |
| 14:55 |
_sj_ |
we've had a longstanding mesh testing relationship with a university and research team in brazil |
| 14:55 |
icarito |
no feedback, no return |
| 14:55 |
_sj_ |
one of the few groups that got literally dozens of laptops for testing |
| 14:55 |
yamaplos |
where's their proposal? |
| 14:55 |
icarito |
they have them testing Windows for gee's sake |
| 14:56 |
_sj_ |
they had a phd student doing his work with the machines, a professor dedicated to them, and lots of previous experience working with the community |
| 14:56 |
|
to gfind out what needed doing and where precisely they could help. |
| 14:56 |
icarito |
that is bs |
| 14:56 |
yamaplos |
NICE! now, where's the proposal? |
| 14:56 |
_sj_ |
they had also done preliminary work along these lines with published results with a few XOs. |
| 14:56 |
icarito |
that is the ministry's private university |
| 14:56 |
|
show me the code |
| 14:56 |
kikomayorga |
(soorry, ned to go for lunch!) i follow up offline, great to meet you all |
| 14:56 |
dirakx |
icarito: yamaplos take it easy. ;) |
| 14:57 |
icarito |
dirakx: take it seriously |
| 14:57 |
|
_sj_: we have had NO feedback from USMP |
| 14:57 |
_sj_ |
I'll find one for you that's been posted to the wiki. |
| 14:57 |
dirakx |
patience |
| 14:58 |
yamaplos |
sj: I dare suspect your lordship is not very consistent in his laws. Apparently there's what he does, and then what he asks. |
| 14:58 |
_sj_ |
adam, can you mention a couple of the others on the agenda while I do? |
| 14:58 |
|
? |
| 14:58 |
icarito |
and only reports by a student they're testing XP on it |
| 14:58 |
_sj_ |
yama, being testy won't help you :) |
| 14:59 |
yamaplos |
SJ, being reasonable hasn't helped yet either. |
| 14:59 |
_sj_ |
and the decision about what projects have priority is a shared one, in which you are an equal contributor. |
| 14:59 |
|
but you're not a very good advocate for your own cause when your only request is for a project larger than any project we've ever accepted, with almost no preparation. |
| 14:59 |
|
sorry. |
| 14:59 |
|
we have to get through the other posted items, and will. |
| 15:00 |
CanoeBerry |
bjordan: do you have an opinion on the Ethiopia 20-laptop center? |
| 15:00 |
yamaplos |
if your guidelines were clearer, we would be understanding each other better. don't blame ME! ;-) |
| 15:00 |
cjl |
_sj_: Has there been any progress on creating an infrastructure for sharing information of Contributor's Program requests and their outcomes? |
| 15:00 |
icarito |
goes to lunch, will follow up on email |
| 15:00 |
kikomayorga |
_sj_,, how many machines o projects do you plan tu support? i mean real projects, beeing documented, followed ansd so on? |
| 15:00 |
|
in poeru? |
| 15:00 |
yamaplos |
or anyehere? |
| 15:00 |
CanoeBerry |
SJ wrote about Ethipia: "not very specific, though a promising topic. start smaller? needs feedback. |
| 15:00 |
|
" |
| 15:01 |
cjl |
CanoeBerry: Wher eare you reading this? |
| 15:01 |
kikomayorga |
we can see how to scale up, or promote.. locally |
| 15:01 |
CanoeBerry |
SJ gone for a min.. |
| 15:01 |
|
We're reading the request within projectdb.olpc.at |
| 15:01 |
yamaplos |
How do you get there? |
| 15:01 |
cjl |
And that is at present a completely closed system. |
| 15:02 |
CanoeBerry |
That's why we're getting rid of it :) |
| 15:02 |
yamaplos |
meanwhile... |
| 15:02 |
CanoeBerry |
ProjectDB data will be moving to RT |
| 15:02 |
cjl |
Unsrestandable th asome aspects need to be keot confidential, but no visibility mechanism to replace it wit hjsut yet. |
| 15:02 |
CanoeBerry |
SJ back in ~2min.. |
| 15:02 |
cjl |
CanoeBerry: And who is to get access t othe ContribProg RT queue? |
| 15:02 |
dirakx |
yamaplos: let us remember that OLPC is the only foundation AFAIk that has helping done this projects and donates hardware to them..so let's be patient. |
| 15:02 |
CanoeBerry |
bjordan's reading the Ethiopean proposal.. |
| 15:03 |
yamaplos |
Now, a moment ago SJ asked if I had my stuff in a wiki page. is that a Yama Requisite, or across the board? |
| 15:03 |
|
OK dirakx, sorry, lowering my flag |
| 15:03 |
kikomayorga |
but we need an idea of scale,, first... idont doubt we can make a list of contributors,, up to a larger size... just, what are we pointing at? |
| 15:03 |
cjl |
yamaplos: deep cleansing breaths |
| 15:03 |
dsd_ |
what ethiopian proposal? |
| 15:03 |
yamaplos |
:-) |
| 15:04 |
CanoeBerry |
In future, ppl will email contributors laptop.org, likely from a snazzy WebUI that cleans up the form currently at ProjectDB. |
| 15:04 |
|
dsd_ hopefully to look over the 20-laptop proposal too.. |
| 15:05 |
dsd_ |
where can i look? |
| 15:05 |
|
is it related to the govt project in ethiopia? i guess not.. |
| 15:06 |
_sj_ |
back |
| 15:07 |
CanoeBerry |
cjl: i hope all SG get vayring degrees of access to the new "contributors" queue |
| 15:07 |
befana |
hi, i have a question, ,if we send a project, maybe for training teachers, and i't sucesfully, it's possible to scale it? |
| 15:07 |
_sj_ |
a good proposal from hilaire: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cont[…]m/June_27%2C_2008 |
| 15:07 |
befana |
there'll be some way to negociate with OLPC for less than 1000 laptops after the proyect? |
| 15:07 |
yamaplos |
I motion that all project have to be put in public display (wiki) to be considered |
| 15:08 |
cjl |
yamaplos: As much as the points you make about not having a process to follow and not having well-publicized criteria are true, you hopefully accept that the immediate goal of today (and realistically the next few meetings) should be to gain some clarity on what they are generally so that all proposals can compete on a fair playing ground. |
| 15:08 |
_sj_ |
this time next week, new projects proposals will all be on the wiki, and we can start discussing them there... |
| 15:08 |
dirakx |
i would like to see the outcome of isoa in the classrooms. |
| 15:08 |
yamaplos |
so all can know what we talking about |
| 15:08 |
|
cjl: I am ALL for that, exactly. Level playing field,I'am totally in agreement |
| 15:08 |
dirakx |
the followup is crucial here.. |
| 15:10 |
mchua |
I'm having trouble following what concrete steps have been proposed to move this forward in the next week, and by whom and by when. |
| 15:10 |
_sj_ |
If you want to suggest criteria for what makes a great project, please do so. |
| 15:10 |
|
I started a page here : http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cont[…]_program_criteria |
| 15:10 |
yamaplos |
I mean, that's my proposals in a nutshel: clear requisites, transparency, precisely so all can have a reasonable chance to make their case and that all decision-makers and community know what is going on |
| 15:10 |
mchua |
Would it be useful to have people list the action items they've committed to on the meeting wiki page, or somewhere else, so we have some way of tracking who's taken what responsibility, so people can follow up? |
| 15:11 |
_sj_ |
we'll need to update the submission form text to tell people their proposals will be put there... |
| 15:11 |
_bjordan |
...and email the submitters of the current projects saying we'll put their proposals there or they won't be considered |
| 15:11 |
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s/projects/submissions |
| 15:12 |
dirakx |
hey..we should do one thing in order to get transparency..can we get the SG to vote at least the most involved people ? |
| 15:12 |
_sj_ |
kiko : a point person might be enough for a small project |
| 15:12 |
dirakx |
so the proposals in the wiki get voted and decided there. ? |
| 15:12 |
CanoeBerry |
In partic, bjordan speaks of posting the 16 projects under consideration... |
| 15:13 |
_sj_ |
the CP is currently designed for projects requiring a few laptops. |
| 15:13 |
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anything requiring more than 10 gets special attention, requests for feedback, discussion at these regular meetings, &c. |
| 15:13 |
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befana : it's definitely possible to scale projects; that's preferred to starting from scratch |
| 15:13 |
dirakx |
_sj_: do we have a limit of laptops that can be delivered that way ? |
| 15:14 |
yamaplos |
dirakx: +1 |
| 15:15 |
dirakx |
i have the opinion that in SG are the ''core'' contributors and developers .. |
| 15:15 |
_sj_ |
let's continue this discussion of the criteria to the wiki |
| 15:15 |
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since all of that needs defining. |
| 15:16 |
CanoeBerry |
How many more projects can we review before ending this mtg? |
| 15:16 |
_sj_ |
mchua: bjordan and holt and I are updating the CP submission form to allow poublic posting |
| 15:16 |
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and posting the 16 projects currently under consideration |
| 15:16 |
yamaplos |
What happened to the 25 for Fez, Morocco? |
| 15:17 |
_sj_ |
I'd like to review the AASDO request |
| 15:17 |
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and the 25 for Fez |
| 15:17 |
CanoeBerry |
Brian concurs w/ SJ on AASDO |
| 15:17 |
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Ethipia needs more review.. |
| 15:18 |
yamaplos |
what is AASDO? |
| 15:19 |
CanoeBerry |
bjordan & sj concur AASDO multimedia telecenter needs smaller test 1st |
| 15:19 |
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(Ethiopia..) |
| 15:19 |
yamaplos |
URL? |
| 15:20 |
mchua |
_sj_: ok - that's the kind of todo I was suggesting be posted - just added it to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cont[…]2009#Action_items, if you'd like them listed there. |
| 15:20 |
yamaplos |
Neat! Thankee |
| 15:20 |
_sj_ |
AASDO is a project to build telecenters for media development |
| 15:20 |
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and OCW courseware sharing |
| 15:20 |
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(posted to the agenda page) |
| 15:21 |
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not clear they know how they would use XOs in their telecenter, or what the results would be. |
| 15:21 |
CanoeBerry |
I will contact the 16 groups asking if they need help web-posting their proposals, which they will need to do in order to be considered. |
| 15:21 |
_sj_ |
might be interesting if it was able to develop an active relationship with ethiopian deployments. |
| 15:21 |
CanoeBerry |
But we can still continue with our regular review.. |
| 15:22 |
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FEZ? |
| 15:22 |
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yamaplos: want to introduce the topic? |
| 15:23 |
yamaplos |
sure. It's this couple here in Austin that started a school in Fez |
| 15:23 |
CanoeBerry |
25 laptops, they want for 10 months. |
| 15:23 |
yamaplos |
It's a multilingual school, they work English and French besides Arab |
| 15:24 |
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I gave them general idea on what's what (AFAIKnew...:-() |
| 15:24 |
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Wahat I see as the most interesting thing is the multiculturality of the thing, see kids working in English (and even French with a simple Language change - reboot) |
| 15:25 |
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I can assure a certain level of follow up in getting them to report back, since I have known these people for quite a while |
| 15:25 |
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By now the school is being run by locals, these Austinites (private entrepreneurs, my perception is that they have their own income) are on an advisory role |
| 15:26 |
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as a sideline, 6 years ago I was offered to go teach there... |
| 15:26 |
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questions? |
| 15:27 |
CanoeBerry |
SJ's wiki reaction :\"needs detail. How would results be shared? |
| 15:27 |
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" |
| 15:27 |
yamaplos |
We'll need to define across the board how we expect results to be shared, yes |
| 15:28 |
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I am a bit obsessive about expecting everybody to share results, one of my pet peeves on the CP as is extant |
| 15:28 |
CanoeBerry |
What else should I ask them to fill out in their proposal when I ask them to web-psot it? |
| 15:28 |
_sj_ |
they seem interested to follow up, that's certain. |
| 15:28 |
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there aren't other communities in morocco yet, so this wouldn't currently be part of a local pool... |
| 15:28 |
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basic details updated at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cont[…]09#Open_proposals |
| 15:29 |
yamaplos |
It might be interesting to encouyrage rthem to open up their trial to have other people come see. AFAIK, they have a rather open attitude, plenty of government officials in the International school, as youy may imagine |
| 15:30 |
CanoeBerry |
great, i may call them |
| 15:30 |
_sj_ |
we need a general way to close the loop with requestors who haven'treally worked witn xos before. |
| 15:31 |
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sending them one to get started sometimes helps. |
| 15:31 |
yamaplos |
That's where the Xo-based teacher training comes in :-) plug |
| 15:31 |
_sj_ |
I was sad to discover that the peres center never used the 30 B2s that they got for a project a long time ago. |
| 15:31 |
yamaplos |
Sure, a scalability model is always a good idea. I can provide them one of my own until this gets rolling |
| 15:31 |
dirakx |
that 30 could have being used to repair centers. |
| 15:32 |
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s/to/for |
| 15:32 |
_sj_ |
we might start with 1 for mh. to find out more about what he has in mind, and see what multilingual work might be needed |
| 15:32 |
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there's some technical work needed in localization and with arabic-support testing; |
| 15:32 |
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not sure if that's of interst to them or would impact their use. |
| 15:32 |
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if they're not interested in that, I wonder if this would be so helpful to others. |
| 15:33 |
yamaplos |
My understanding is that they'd be glad to use it for Arabic, but this might get used first for English/French |
| 15:33 |
_sj_ |
good for discussion on-wiki. |
| 15:33 |
yamaplos |
also, Arabic Kbd? |
| 15:33 |
CanoeBerry |
I'm going to move these 16 projects into RT's 'helplaptop.org' queue in the interim. |
| 15:33 |
_sj_ |
we might be able to get them arabic keybds if they were taking part in arabic testing |
| 15:33 |
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there rae a limited # of those |
| 15:34 |
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last proposal to consider: the Bolivia Project |
| 15:34 |
yamaplos |
I'd say that's not their highest interest, would it be yours that they work Arabic mostly? |
| 15:34 |
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OK doc, now I know what that is |
| 15:35 |
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may I? Theres' this Canadian private donor who funds huge projects in Bolivia, he tends to want to be rather discrete about his work |
| 15:35 |
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I've been talking with him re: 3.000 units |
| 15:35 |
_sj_ |
I'm not sure re: whether the arabic work is most interesting. |
| 15:36 |
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if they aren't thinking of being a class of testers, with the ability to install and try new builds of os and activities, it's likely not that important |
| 15:36 |
yamaplos |
But he'd like to do a smallish test with his people first. he's got all our (OLE- Bolivia) support, but right now our units are tied up, and until SCELinux comes in with repaired from the mangled pile, we're stuck |
| 15:36 |
_sj_ |
SCELinux? |
| 15:36 |
yamaplos |
Schoolyear begins this next week |
| 15:37 |
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SCELinux is the Repair Center guys, Bolixo |
| 15:37 |
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Nice kids, trying desperately to get them an internet connection you wouldn't believe how hard it is |
| 15:38 |
_sj_ |
yama, go on - I'm having trouble following |
| 15:38 |
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[note: this is not the Bolivia Project I was mentioning, which is a proposal that has come in and is on the agenda... once Yama is done :) ] |
| 15:38 |
yamaplos |
sorry. |
| 15:38 |
dirakx |
can confirm what yama is aying |
| 15:38 |
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saying |
| 15:39 |
yamaplos |
OLE Bolivia=80 OLPC Leigh=10 |
| 15:39 |
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sj: dunno which one or is there another? |
| 15:39 |
_sj_ |
Leigh |
| 15:40 |
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perhaps it is what you're talking about :) |
| 15:40 |
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go on. there's this private donor... |
| 15:40 |
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he wnats to do a small test. |
| 15:40 |
yamaplos |
sure, that's the Canadian guy I was just talking about |
| 15:40 |
_sj_ |
this is the 100 XO test? |
| 15:40 |
CanoeBerry |
The 10 XO app over 12 months. |
| 15:40 |
yamaplos |
nope, 10 units. To eventually do 3.000 |
| 15:40 |
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ÿCanoeBerry: yop |
| 15:40 |
_sj_ |
they say they have 100 units lined up |
| 15:41 |
CanoeBerry |
Confusing yes. |
| 15:41 |
_sj_ |
where are those coming from? |
| 15:41 |
yamaplos |
ASAIK they want 10 to test via Contributors, 100 to pilot, 3.000 at full steam |
| 15:41 |
CanoeBerry |
OK |
| 15:42 |
yamaplos |
He asked that I lend him my personal ones to leave in the villages, I'm afraid cannot do |
| 15:42 |
CanoeBerry |
How much time does he want to put in this, as a prof doctor? |
| 15:43 |
yamaplos |
I was hoping the Repair Center would have some, but connectivity is stopping us from working on repairs, the wiki is in English, they do not understand English, I would help if I could connect with them... |
| 15:43 |
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He's personally going down there for 2 weeks right now |
| 15:43 |
CanoeBerry |
OK |
| 15:43 |
yamaplos |
But he has a massive organization, with 1/2 mill donations per year or more |
| 15:44 |
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Originally they tried to buy these as G1G1, but the program closed before they did it |
| 15:44 |
CanoeBerry |
SJ's away. We need to wrap up very soon, as we are the only ppl in the office not cleaning up. |
| 15:44 |
yamaplos |
$1/2 mill |
| 15:44 |
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OK, say yes to all and we'll all love you |
| 15:45 |
CanoeBerry |
Office-wide cleanup, need to run ASAP... |
| 15:45 |
yamaplos |
so.... |
| 15:45 |
_sj_ |
ok, thanks |
| 15:46 |
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I'd like to know where the 100 machines are coming from |
| 15:46 |
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and how we can help make the described proposal more concrete. |
| 15:46 |
yamaplos |
They're buying them, if you let them :-) |
| 15:46 |
_sj_ |
we have a lot of "get interest" proposals for using hardware that ends up disappearing into the void |
| 15:46 |
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not for lack of good faith |
| 15:46 |
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but b/c people get busy. |
| 15:46 |
yamaplos |
Won't happen in my watch, SJ |
| 15:47 |
_sj_ |
so, setting the balance properly at the start helps a lot. |
| 15:47 |
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yama, I need you to help me write criteria and guidelines for others to follow |
| 15:47 |
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since you can't watch everyone :0 |
| 15:47 |
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:) |
| 15:47 |
yamaplos |
I will help |
| 15:47 |
_sj_ |
I strongly encourage adding to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cont[…]_program_criteria |
| 15:47 |
yamaplos |
I need you to help us too... ;-) |
| 15:47 |
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I already did, in the talk page for now |
| 15:47 |
_sj_ |
and helping reorgainze the CP page directly (for those here) |
| 15:48 |
yamaplos |
OK, what do we tell Leigh? |
| 15:49 |
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These guys would purchase the 10, if given the chance |
| 15:49 |
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I'd make you a check right now, knowing they would reimburse me |
| 15:49 |
dsd_ |
i dont think money is the issue |
| 15:49 |
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the contributors prg exists for things like this |
| 15:50 |
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and its probably easier for OLPC to give for free |
| 15:50 |
_sj_ |
can we ask them to publish their ideas for the future? |
| 15:50 |
cjl |
I'd like to float something personal for comment. I am considering making a one XO request. You may (or may not) know that I've taken an interest in and made some effort to contribute to I18n/L10n in various ways. |
| 15:50 |
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I have my G1G1, but my interest is in QA of completeness of I18n/L10n where having two side-by-side would be quite an advantage. |
| 15:50 |
_sj_ |
if this whole process, including engaging the teachers, who the communities are, &c is not private |
| 15:50 |
yamaplos |
Sure, if everyone is asked the same thing. SOmeone said level field... |
| 15:50 |
cjl |
I've made attempts to accomplish this with SoaS standing in for the second XO, but the divergence of the Sugar streams (and current challenges with adding additional Activities to SoaS) makes this less than ideal. |
| 15:50 |
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Is it your impression that such a request (when made through projectdb channels) would be viewed favorably? |
| 15:50 |
_sj_ |
and ppl are not shy about their intent to do a larger project in the future, it would be more convincing. |
| 15:50 |
cjl |
Deliverables would be Trac tickets pointing out requested improvements in I18n on the developer side and requests for focused translation of specific strings on the L10n side. |
| 15:51 |
_sj_ |
I don't see how they expect to move to their larger project |
| 15:51 |
yamaplos |
move over, SJ. I second cjl |
| 15:51 |
_sj_ |
and the communities in question do not obviously have anyone local to support them |
| 15:51 |
CanoeBerry |
cjl: yes |
| 15:51 |
cjl |
yamaplos: not looking for a second, jsut testing water |
| 15:51 |
yamaplos |
sj, are you doing this on purpose, or does it simply come natural? |
| 15:52 |
_sj_ |
cjl: definitely |
| 15:52 |
cjl |
wil lwork to write up[ according to newly publsihed criteria . . . |
| 15:52 |
_sj_ |
yama: we've never yet had a successful return on machines given for local awareness raising :) |
| 15:52 |
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you and dirak vouch for this fellow, so that's good, and I like the goal of the proposal |
| 15:53 |
yamaplos |
That's not MY fault, if ever there was one thing you could blame on me, OLPC give-aways is not one |
| 15:53 |
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I've gone on record critisizing them, since the famousn 100 Australian |
| 15:53 |
CanoeBerry |
All the Criteria of what make a good project need to be expanded & tightened up.. plz add here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cont[…]_program_criteria |
| 15:54 |
yamaplos |
But I support you wholeheartedly in tracking down and repo all stuff that never made it back |
| 15:54 |
_sj_ |
so, I'd accept and ask for them to set up a public page for sharing their materials (From the education team mentioned, for the deployment proposal they say they have in place, updates about the towns) |
| 15:54 |
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yama: you say they are famously private about their work; if you can work with them to overcome this that would be great. |
| 15:54 |
yamaplos |
For that we'll need full disclosure of where that stuff was given , to whom, etc. |
| 15:55 |
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They are private in the sense they don't crow about their achievements. They donate without waiting for a photo op |
| 15:55 |
_sj_ |
it's not about repo. it's about setting good standards for others to follow. |
| 15:55 |
yamaplos |
besides that, we have agreed to work together in technical, deploy, teacher training, ertc. |
| 15:55 |
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I actually do HOPE they will fund some of my work eventually :-) |
| 15:56 |
_sj_ |
great. |
| 15:56 |
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is there any new business? |
| 15:56 |
yamaplos |
OK, what was approved / denied / sent back??? |
| 15:56 |
dirakx |
i have to proposed something for Sugarlabs co but that would be for our next meeting. |
| 15:57 |
yamaplos |
sj: re:repo, some accountability IS necessary, not only going forward but also looking back |
| 15:57 |
_sj_ |
can we agree on : declining Knee Replacement |
| 15:57 |
yamaplos |
but there's priorities, like setting up procedures for the future |
| 15:57 |
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agreed |
| 15:57 |
_sj_ |
but asking if it would be useful for them to have 1 for development |
| 15:57 |
yamaplos |
sure |
| 15:58 |
_sj_ |
aasdo : asking how they would use XOs -- sounds like they need one to work with first |
| 15:58 |
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and putting them in touch with an ethiopian XO group |
| 15:58 |
yamaplos |
ceratinly that linkage is vital. support one |
| 15:58 |
mchua |
I'd like to request that people post whatever actions they're committing to for the next week with regards to the contributors program here, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cont[…]2009#Action_items, so we have something to check in on next week to find out about our moving-forward progress. |
| 15:58 |
_sj_ |
starting a conversation with the am. school of Fez about whether they'd want to do some sort of testing / work with local developers (content or code) |
| 15:59 |
yamaplos |
I guess that's a bit above their heads, I believe they want to work content |
| 15:59 |
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can they have 3? |
| 15:59 |
_sj_ |
they didn't mention that |
| 16:00 |
CanoeBerry |
yamaplos: I will review http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Cont[…]_program_criteria with Ed so that he can help fine tune, eg. if ~100 laptop proposals are too high, as he has indicated, etc. |
| 16:00 |
yamaplos |
they mentioned internet and etc, see the proposal you uploaded yourself |
| 16:01 |
_sj_ |
yes, that's not developing content :) |
| 16:01 |
yamaplos |
training our teachers to use them first for a period of two months. Then we would like to do a project with our multi-lingual 5th grade students in which we teach them to harvest information off the internet and us this information for a world cultures fair or other appropriate presentation. |
| 16:01 |
_sj_ |
having kids find materials online for a cultural presentation may be interesting though. |
| 16:01 |
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I wouldn't approve anything for that proposal atm but start a conversation |
| 16:02 |
yamaplos |
OK, u the boss. I'll ask to be in the loop |
| 16:02 |
_sj_ |
right. would that fair or presentation be useful to other schools? |
| 16:02 |
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who would benefit from it? |
| 16:02 |
yamaplos |
we can ask |
| 16:02 |
_sj_ |
are there other local groups that might build on the work they are doing? I just don't see how this helps the larger XO community. |
| 16:02 |
yamaplos |
it's the multicultural thing |
| 16:03 |
_sj_ |
I'm just stating my opinion here. |
| 16:03 |
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we need a simple way for anyone to weigh in on the project page. |
| 16:03 |
yamaplos |
I know of no trial or test working that line |
| 16:03 |
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sure |
| 16:03 |
_sj_ |
I don't want mine to weigh more heavily than others -- but most people engaging in the conversation right now |
| 16:03 |
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have a personal vested interest in seeing one project or another succeed. |
| 16:03 |
mchua |
puts herself down for checking in on the public usage interface for the boston-area loaner pool and reporting back (as she is hoping to run Sugar test sprints with the CFS kids late this month / early next) |
| 16:03 |
_sj_ |
which isn't quite what I'd like to see the CP becom |
| 16:03 |
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e* |
| 16:03 |
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I want it to be a resource for projects *that help the global community of XO users* |
| 16:04 |
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so even if you're going to do something amazing for 50 students |
| 16:04 |
yamaplos |
OTOH, a solid system of partnerships does make sense |
| 16:04 |
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avoids the "ÿwe've never yet had a successful return on machines given for local awareness raising" |
| 16:05 |
_sj_ |
it's not always the best use of this particular pool of machines. we have to prioritize the diff projects that come up. (there's nothing /wrong/ with the XOs for Knee Replacement Healing Devices proposal... it just won't help anyont but a very very small community) |
| 16:05 |
yamaplos |
These guys have a solid-er accoutabily, genre microloans, than anyone else we've considered, except of course Leigh, who is in my burough |
| 16:05 |
_sj_ |
leigh : accept pending having a place for them to share details of their work; make sure they are comfortable with that |
| 16:06 |
yamaplos |
u right, more return for machines to the MH than to the Knee... |
| 16:06 |
CanoeBerry |
Great, can we wrap up for now, it being 4pm? Continuing Sunday 4pm and other places. |
| 16:06 |
_sj_ |
xott : wait for more information; see if a smaller project will work; can it get started now? |
| 16:06 |
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I think that's all we discussed. |
| 16:06 |
mchua |
is just waiting to #endmeeting |
| 16:06 |
yamaplos |
let's |
| 16:06 |
_sj_ |
I'll just mention on the new business front |
| 16:06 |
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Caryl Bigenho wanted to be here |
| 16:07 |
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to talk about how to help support small school pilots, whether there's an overlap with CP projects |
| 16:07 |
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and I'll note that we do regularly have people wanting to do small school projects submit a CP app. |
| 16:08 |
dirakx |
what is the lowest request of mchines there ? |
| 16:08 |
_sj_ |
we've not accepted them to date -- usually they don't offer anything that other school,s can build on, and are very much focused on working with one specific school, doing assessments or reviews over time. |
| 16:08 |
yamaplos |
so two machines taken care of this meeting? One Knee, one AASDO? |
| 16:08 |
_sj_ |
typically 15-30 machine requests. |
| 16:08 |
dirakx |
ok |
| 16:08 |
_sj_ |
I wonder if there's a way to define a process for getting 1 or 2 xo's for development while running/planning a small project |
| 16:08 |
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when teachers are making new materials |
| 16:09 |
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or developping thigns for sugar as part of their effrort. this is open for public discussion. |
| 16:09 |
CanoeBerry |
And finally, to those not part of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support_Gang please apply (just 1 quick phone call) if you want to help us review full proposals and beyond. |
| 16:09 |
yamaplos |
if trained the OLE Bolivia way, sure |
| 16:09 |
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good to see y'all. Over / out |
| 16:10 |
_sj_ |
yama : and leigh, and many of the smaller projects |
| 16:10 |
CanoeBerry |
Bye! |
| 16:10 |
mchua |
#endmeeting |