| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 18:00 |
mchua |
sweet! Community test meeting time. Who's here? |
| 18:00 |
|
(I know a number of people, like adricnet and lfaraone, are listening in today) |
| 18:01 |
Zoysiamo_ |
Jeffrey Atkinson (Olin college chapter) listening in |
| 18:01 |
mchua |
(And that it's still close to the holidays / 1cc is ridiculously busy crazy right now, so attendance is likely to be a little low tonight) |
| 18:01 |
|
hi, Jeffrey! |
| 18:01 |
cjb |
waves |
| 18:01 |
Zoysiamo_ |
Hi, Mel! |
| 18:01 |
adricnet |
"refactors" rails code on Desktop 5. This chat looks like more fun ;) |
| 18:01 |
mchua |
*grin* hi, adricnet. |
| 18:01 |
EKML |
Edward Murrell (Wellington NZ testing group) |
| 18:01 |
jolson |
Hi, Mel! |
| 18:02 |
mchua |
EKML: hello! I'll be visiting you folks in person in a few weeks :) |
| 18:02 |
|
jolson: greetings, Jason! Glad you could pop in. |
| 18:02 |
|
bpepple, are you around? |
| 18:02 |
EKML |
mchua: Fantastic :) |
| 18:02 |
Zoysiamo_ |
You're such a lucky one, mel... |
| 18:02 |
jolson |
What else am I gonna do, *document?* |
| 18:02 |
mchua |
jolson: also important ;) |
| 18:02 |
dirakx |
hi all.. |
| 18:02 |
mchua |
our agenda, such as it is, is here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Comm[…]etings/2009-01-08 |
| 18:02 |
|
hullo, dirakx! |
| 18:02 |
jolson |
does anything possible to delay documentation another second. |
| 18:03 |
Zoysiamo_ |
Hi EKML -- I love Wellington, but I haven't been there in years |
| 18:03 |
bpepple |
mchua: yup, just got back. |
| 18:03 |
mchua |
w00t, we have a bpepple |
| 18:03 |
EKML |
Tabitha should be along soon I think |
| 18:03 |
mchua |
So our agenda looks like this: |
| 18:03 |
|
# 1 Project updates |
| 18:03 |
|
# 2 Reorg! |
| 18:03 |
|
where the first one is mostly "Brian talks" and the second one is "Everyone jump in and ask questions if you have any" |
| 18:03 |
|
any additions? |
| 18:04 |
|
(I wanted to leave a lot of time for #2, in case; I know the recent news might be of interest/concern to folks here, and want to make sure we have a chance to air things out if needed) |
| 18:04 |
|
(with respect to how it affects QA, in any case - but you guys *are* QA, so...) |
| 18:04 |
dirakx |
agenda looks fien with me. |
| 18:04 |
mchua |
cool. |
| 18:04 |
|
so, # 1 Project updates. |
| 18:05 |
|
Activity testing wrapped up with mad mad props to all our testers from around the globe - Oceania had a great showing of test groups |
| 18:05 |
|
there were some things that we didn't expect to get tested that were tested (NANDblaster, thanks to Joel Stanley & co.) |
| 18:05 |
|
and some things that we still have to test more thoroughly - although these have all gotten some form of cursory testing, the following 14 activities still need a little QA love: |
| 18:06 |
|
Help, the 4 TamTams, Pippy, Turtle Art, Calculate, Measure, Distance, Ruler, Scratch, WikiBrowse English, and Log |
| 18:07 |
|
But overall, it was a great first round - we spent most of our time developing an infrastructure that will make it way easy to test Activities in the future |
| 18:07 |
|
tabitha, hey! great to see you |
| 18:07 |
|
anyway, so 8.2.1 testing... bpepple, any words/thoughts? |
| 18:07 |
tabitha |
Hi Mel, how are you? |
| 18:08 |
mchua |
tabitha: pretty awesome. :) frantic week of catching up from vacation and wrapping up for the New 100% QA Department phase change. ;) |
| 18:08 |
|
right now we've got bpepple on 8.2.1 Friends in Testing - Brian? |
| 18:08 |
bpepple |
mchua: not much to add, but I'm sending a note to our fedora testers later tonight. I was going to send it yesterday, but then I heard about the OLPC changes, and wanted to see if it affected that at all. |
| 18:09 |
mchua |
Friends in Testing is also one of those "Procedures in Progress," so the notion of how we do that is still under construction, so thanks for putting up with that so gamely |
| 18:09 |
|
ah thanks, bpepple - do you want to talk about that here now, or wait 'till we get to the next thing (discussing those changes at OLPC)? |
| 18:09 |
|
bpepple: (in case you had any other things to bring up about 8.2.1 stuff) |
| 18:09 |
bpepple |
no worries. Is there a preference in having the fedora folks sending the testing results to the devel or test list. |
| 18:10 |
|
mchua: we can talk about that later. |
| 18:11 |
mchua |
bpepple: generally speaking, test results should go to both devel and testing, but everything else QA-related should go to testing |
| 18:11 |
|
(i.e. devel should only get our "here, test results for you!" stuff, or - hopefully more rarely - our "we can't test X until you do Y, please unblock us" emails.) |
| 18:11 |
|
hullo, aly! welcome |
| 18:11 |
tabitha |
NZ is here in force again ;-) |
| 18:11 |
mchua |
indeed. |
| 18:12 |
|
bpepple, does that sound ok to you? |
| 18:12 |
bpepple |
sounds good to me. |
| 18:12 |
aly |
hi |
| 18:12 |
mchua |
bpepple: anything else on 8.2.1 stuff, or do you want to move on to discussion of The Changes? |
| 18:13 |
bpepple |
do you know if they are planning another stage build? It looks like in the prior testing they ran new builds each week. |
| 18:14 |
cjb |
bpepple: yup, think so |
| 18:14 |
bpepple |
cjb: cool, was just wondering. |
| 18:14 |
tabitha |
It would be good to know changes that impact us |
| 18:14 |
cjb |
referring to the 8.2.1 builders in the plural sense is a little optimistic, but Mel will get to that in a sec :) |
| 18:14 |
bpepple |
mchua: that all I had. You can probably move on to The Changes. |
| 18:15 |
mchua |
Yeah, all this build stuff might change moving forward, but for now... |
| 18:15 |
|
w00t, thanks bpepple |
| 18:15 |
|
okay, so... The Changes |
| 18:15 |
|
I'm not sure how much people here have heard about them |
| 18:15 |
|
(incidentally, cjb, I'm glad you're here for this bit) |
| 18:15 |
cjl |
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/The_OLPC_Wiki |
| 18:15 |
mchua |
http://wiki.laptop.org/index.p[…]Wiki&oldid=190351 is probably the best place to start for background |
| 18:15 |
|
cjb beat me to it |
| 18:16 |
|
#LINK http://wiki.laptop.org/index.p[…]Wiki&oldid=190351 |
| 18:16 |
|
(for posterity) |
| 18:16 |
cjb |
actually cjl beat you to it :) |
| 18:16 |
mchua |
b == l :P |
| 18:16 |
|
Has anyone not gotten a chance to read the stuff therein yet? |
| 18:16 |
|
waits |
| 18:17 |
bpepple |
read it yesterday. |
| 18:17 |
mchua |
I figured :) |
| 18:17 |
|
If this is new to anyone and we need to pause to fill in backstory, please holler - though I really can't say I know much more than most of the people here |
| 18:18 |
|
The long and short of it is that there was a massive staff cut, and as one consequence of this we won't have QA staff after tomorrow |
| 18:18 |
cjb |
(as another consequence, we won't really have any developers either) |
| 18:19 |
mchua |
(or non-large-country-deployments support, for that matter) |
| 18:19 |
EKML |
how much development is at OLPC vs the Community these days? |
| 18:19 |
mchua |
I'm one of those who'll be rejoining the community tomorrow, but I do plan on staying involved as a volunteer, especially with QA. ;) |
| 18:19 |
cjb |
I'm still here, but that's about it for people who were working on the OS. We don't know what'll happen with e.g. the 9.1 release; perhaps it'll change such that we help aggregate work from deployments into a single build for everyone to use |
| 18:19 |
mchua |
cjb, want to field that one? |
| 18:20 |
dirakx |
so how is going to manage support for example for uruguay ? |
| 18:20 |
cjb |
EKML: in terms of writing code that closes OLPC bugs, almost entirely OLPC |
| 18:20 |
EKML |
oh |
| 18:20 |
cjb |
dirakx: from the wiki page: |
| 18:20 |
|
With regard to deployments: |
| 18:20 |
|
|
| 18:20 |
|
1. Latin America will be spun off into a separate support unit |
| 18:20 |
|
this means, I think, separate from OLPC |
| 18:21 |
jolson |
oh |
| 18:21 |
cjb |
so, OLPC won't be managing support for Uruguay any more, although that's a transition that will take time |
| 18:21 |
jolson |
I thought that meant, like, OLPC South |
| 18:21 |
mchua |
but Uruguay will have support |
| 18:21 |
cjb |
(I might be misunderstanding that part.) |
| 18:21 |
|
mchua: right, from someone else.. it's all plans to be determined, I guess |
| 18:21 |
mchua |
nods |
| 18:22 |
dirakx |
cjb: yep but not sure what that means...it's like Uruguay have to support itself...or hire someone to do that yes ? |
| 18:22 |
|
ok cool.. |
| 18:22 |
cjb |
something like that |
| 18:22 |
|
it is unclear |
| 18:22 |
mchua |
dirakx, it sounds like the arrangements are still being worked out (or at least not worked out to the point where they've been publicly announced yet) |
| 18:22 |
|
a lot of very, very rapid changes are happening this week |
| 18:23 |
|
other questions, concerns, thoughts on how this is going to affect our QA community? |
| 18:23 |
tabitha |
so for testers - we still submit bug reports and still send in info to testing lists.laptop.org - but maybe no one will fix stuff? |
| 18:23 |
mchua |
I spoke with Ed, he's happy to have testing managed by community members (in the past, we've only had testing managed by internal people... but then again, we've only had testing managed for one release so far) |
| 18:24 |
|
tabitha: I think it is more like "the people fixing stuff are now all volunteers instead of sometimes being employees" |
| 18:24 |
|
so our strategies for bug advocacy may have to shift a bit |
| 18:24 |
cjl |
tabitha, Activities (that you are testing) wer enever "supported" by OLPC anyway. |
| 18:25 |
tabitha |
so hopefully minimal impact on testers |
| 18:25 |
|
but big impact on core |
| 18:25 |
mchua |
cjl is right - we'd have to ping volunteer maintainers for Activity testing either way ;) |
| 18:25 |
cjl |
testing is done on behalf of activity authors and potential users, those both exist, as does teh infrastructure to report it. |
| 18:25 |
mchua |
tabitha: yes, Activity testing should not be affected in the least - but testing on core OS builds may be, for a couple reasons |
| 18:26 |
Zoysiamo_ |
who will be "in charge" of community qa? |
| 18:26 |
mchua |
* no QA staff - nobody is full-time on testing anymore (I wasn't full-time on QA in the first place) |
| 18:26 |
cjl |
Zoysiamo_: the community. |
| 18:26 |
mchua |
* I am not sure if volunteers have access to large enough testbeds to do, say, 50 XOs + XS testing |
| 18:26 |
cjb |
Zoysiamo_: would you like to be? :) |
| 18:26 |
mchua |
cjl + 1 |
| 18:26 |
Zoysiamo_ |
having experienced fedora-on-xo, I'm very concerned about organization |
| 18:26 |
|
uhhhh... |
| 18:26 |
|
not right now |
| 18:27 |
cjb |
well, the good news is that we have significantly less organization now |
| 18:27 |
Zoysiamo_ |
college is blocking me, unless someone removes that ;) |
| 18:27 |
cjb |
which will decrease the rate of writing buggy code |
| 18:27 |
mchua |
Zoysiamo_ brings up a good point, though; as a very young testing community, we're still figuring out how we operate. |
| 18:27 |
cjb |
sounds like a testing win to me :) |
| 18:27 |
bpepple |
cjb: ;) |
| 18:27 |
mchua |
I've actually been pretty concerned that I've been too heavy in steering this group, and would *gladly* step down from running meetings and the like if someone would enjoy stepping up to do it |
| 18:27 |
|
(but am also happy to continue ;) |
| 18:28 |
|
oooo, cjb, I like. ;) |
| 18:28 |
dirakx |
mchua: we have to think how to move some of this bug fillings to sugar labs,,,to find more people to solve them. at least the ones that are not related to the XO. |
| 18:28 |
mchua |
yes. |
| 18:29 |
|
One thing that I've seen tossed around is that we should be moving Activity testing upstream to Sugar Labs. |
| 18:29 |
cjl |
http://sugarlabs.org/go/BugSquad |
| 18:29 |
Zoysiamo_ |
+1 to mchua |
| 18:29 |
adricnet |
A careful and exceedingly polite reaiming of all of our ordinance to Sugarlabs seems in order, in this channel and others... |
| 18:29 |
mchua |
Now, in practice, I'm not sure how much this actually gains us; the group of people interested in testing seems to be interested in OS testing, and Activity testing, and etc. all together. |
| 18:30 |
|
(In other words, no matter who's doing it, there is a list of things - Activities, firmware, the OS, Sugar, etc - that need testing to be done for the current Activities on Sugar on the Fedora-based OS on the XO big whonking stack to work.) |
| 18:30 |
Zoysiamo_ |
mchua: it's good to have testers and developers for the same thing under one umbrella, no? |
| 18:30 |
mchua |
(or to be verified working, rather.) |
| 18:31 |
|
Zoysiamo_, sure, but you're assuming that the development is nicely split between upstream/downstream already. ;) |
| 18:31 |
|
adricnet: one of the things you'll notice in the BugSquad link that cjl posted is that BugSquad != QA. |
| 18:31 |
|
They triage. |
| 18:31 |
|
That is all. |
| 18:32 |
|
They triage and they help move things between upstream and downstream. Possibly chip in with a bit of bug advocacy as part of that, as needed. |
| 18:32 |
cjl |
I would point out that it makes very little difference what one calls the group finding the bugs, the important thing is that bugs get filed where developers will see them, some at dev.sl some at dev.l.o |
| 18:32 |
mchua |
cjl + 1 |
| 18:32 |
adricnet |
nods. |
| 18:32 |
mchua |
In other words, Somebody That Isn't The SugarLabs Bug Squad still needs to do the testing. |
| 18:32 |
adricnet |
mchua: +1 |
| 18:32 |
mchua |
(in other words, "yep, that's still us.") |
| 18:33 |
|
I guess my question is "Can anybody see any reason why continuing what we are doing now isn't going to work for this?" |
| 18:33 |
|
Because I have been trying to deliberately do things so that the community test group was *not* dependent on 1cc, as much as possible |
| 18:33 |
adricnet |
Will mchua have more time for QA/bugsquish now? |
| 18:34 |
Zoysiamo_ |
mchua: as long as the Community continues with its efforts |
| 18:34 |
tabitha |
we will keep testing |
| 18:34 |
mchua |
and aside from the "how do we get access to a 50 XO testbed?" question, which right now the answer is "people in Boston can come visit and use the 1cc testbed, and we'll work with edmcnierney to find a longer-term solution," I don't see any reason why not |
| 18:34 |
|
tabitha, rockin'. |
| 18:34 |
cjb |
concurs |
| 18:34 |
mchua |
Zoysiamo_: aye, and that's only a question we can answer - we *are* the community. |
| 18:34 |
cjb |
I'll do what I can to help, too |
| 18:34 |
adricnet |
If there's more mchua available, this could be a positive thing here ;) |
| 18:35 |
tabitha |
lets all have a piece of mchua |
| 18:35 |
mchua |
we *are* QA. It is nobody's paid job to make sure QA gets done; now the responsibility rests on us, if we think it is important enough to take. |
| 18:35 |
Zoysiamo_ |
adricnet: you're banking on a lot ;) |
| 18:35 |
mchua |
tabitha, aly, EKML, you'll get a Mel in person soon :) |
| 18:35 |
EKML |
woo! |
| 18:35 |
|
She can see how easy it is to have a test group. ;) |
| 18:35 |
tabitha |
very excited about getting a Mel in person |
| 18:36 |
mchua |
adricnet, it's pretty probable that my sole main focus is going to be the test community after tomorrow :) |
| 18:36 |
adricnet |
is jealous, generally. |
| 18:36 |
|
mchua: Heh, sounds good when you put it that way :D |
| 18:36 |
aly |
yay that should be fun |
| 18:36 |
cjl |
mchua, acquiring the means of supporting your QA habit is worth spending some time on. |
| 18:36 |
mchua |
in fact, one thing I've been thinking of is going around to visit test groups (starting with oceania, since I'll be there anyway) since I will suddenly have Free Time |
| 18:36 |
|
so if anyone here wants to fire one up or get their fledgling one together and wouldn't mind a visit, lemme know |
| 18:36 |
|
cjl, noted |
| 18:37 |
dirakx |
we have to continue but we have to begin separating stuff..upstream/downstream, activities, hardware and the like,,and people should be aware of the separation, between sl and OLPC. |
| 18:37 |
tabitha |
just need money mchua, just need money |
| 18:38 |
cjl |
tabitha: and bandwidth, money does mchua no good without a fat pipe :-) |
| 18:38 |
mchua |
dirakx: yes. any thoughts on how we can move that separation upstream/downstream forward? |
| 18:38 |
dirakx |
i mean just to have the right places where the bugs could have more eyes to be solved.. |
| 18:38 |
|
mchua: that has to be discussed with all the people..marco simon, cjb etc etc.. |
| 18:39 |
cjl |
It is worth looking over teh git.sl.o to see what projects have migrated so far. |
| 18:39 |
dirakx |
cjl: that's a start. |
| 18:39 |
tabitha |
met Ian Thomson earlier this week - he wants volunteers for 8 deployments across Pacific - I am trained educator but I dont have the $$$$ to take month off - can probably do it if someone pays my airfares and accommodation, but who will do that... not enough money around these days. |
| 18:39 |
mchua |
lives cheaply, sleeps on couches... anything's possible. |
| 18:40 |
adricnet |
Okay I gotta get in traffic. Ganbatte, minnasan! Cheers. |
| 18:40 |
mchua |
see you, adricnet ! |
| 18:40 |
dirakx |
adricnet: bye. ;) |
| 18:40 |
mchua |
tabitha, I've found that if you have an open timeline and a really good proposal, and talk with a lot of people, things start happening... if you're keen on this, I'd love to help you out. |
| 18:40 |
tabitha |
awesome |
| 18:41 |
cjl |
testers should always familiarize themselves with the habits of developers, that elusive species that leaves behinds bugs (the preferred food of the QA junkie). |
| 18:41 |
mchua |
In general, if anyone wants to do anything testing-related and thinks "man, but I need resource X to do this," Ping The Mailing List, and we can start calling down heaven and earth to make it happen. |
| 18:41 |
tabitha |
lots of us have good employers willing to give us time off (some even might get vaguely paid time off) so we are part way there |
| 18:41 |
mchua |
bugs, nom nom. |
| 18:42 |
|
dirakx: i'm not sure more discussions will help much (diminishing returns) - I think what we need to do is to just start acting as if the structure we wanted is the one that exists, after a certain point. |
| 18:42 |
|
(though we should certainly keep talking with all the people you've mentioned!) |
| 18:42 |
|
so, I... have a thought on how we might be able to pull this off along slightly more organized lines, though I will disclaim that it is rather incoherent since I just came up with it |
| 18:43 |
|
we've started to have a lot of community members informally taking responsibility for various bits of the stack, QA-wise |
| 18:43 |
|
what if we just made that formal for a period of time? |
| 18:44 |
tabitha |
is listening |
| 18:44 |
bpepple |
sounds like a good idea. |
| 18:44 |
mchua |
for instance, Activities (the stack's top level) - tabitha, aly, EKML, you folks have virtually been driving Activity testing ever since... heck, before we started these meetings. |
| 18:44 |
EKML |
points at Tabitha as the driver. |
| 18:44 |
|
(I just show up) |
| 18:45 |
tabitha |
points back at EKML and cracks whip |
| 18:45 |
EKML |
ow! |
| 18:45 |
tabitha |
I am happy to keep being involved and no amount of restructuring will stop me from believing OLPC has a good vision |
| 18:45 |
mchua |
what if you and the welly testers were The Activity Testing People, and took on the responsibility - maybe with... I dunno, overlapping 6 month or so terms - of Making Activity Testing Happen? |
| 18:45 |
|
and so on down the stack. |
| 18:46 |
Zoysiamo_ |
* is glad to pass of organization to the experienced bunch |
| 18:46 |
|
oops |
| 18:47 |
EKML |
er |
| 18:47 |
mchua |
Zoysiamo_: you assume that we are more experienced than you. ;) |
| 18:47 |
tabitha |
would like to talk more with mchua offline to be sure she understands exactly what is being asked |
| 18:47 |
mchua |
tabitha, noted - maybe this is something we can work out in person while I'm with you folks at LCA/in welly, too? |
| 18:47 |
EKML |
yah |
| 18:47 |
cjl |
tabitha: I think she is basically asking you to keep on doing what you have been doing. |
| 18:48 |
mchua |
tabitha: basically what cjl said, only just formally taking on the role. ;) |
| 18:48 |
|
we can work it out over the next few weeks too. |
| 18:48 |
EKML |
at the risk of really my mis-understanding; I'm inclined to say that if you start asking Tabitha to organize people outside of Welly, it's not going to happen |
| 18:49 |
|
revealing* my mis-understanding |
| 18:49 |
cjl |
EKML she cracked that whip and I jumped .. . |
| 18:49 |
EKML |
Since from what I've heard/observed, people outside of the local contactability can float away easily |
| 18:50 |
mchua |
nods |
| 18:50 |
|
So, taking on the responsibility to get testing of $foo_component can mean several things, right? |
| 18:50 |
|
1. you test it yourself |
| 18:51 |
|
2. you get people around you to come and test under your supervision |
| 18:51 |
|
3. you get people to test it |
| 18:51 |
|
(I'm trying to draw these widening circles here) |
| 18:51 |
EKML |
yah |
| 18:51 |
mchua |
for instance, OLPC-the-organization could have done QA by going "OK! We have some staff! They're going to do ALL our testing in the office! That is all!" |
| 18:51 |
|
and that's... most of what we did for 8.2.0 |
| 18:52 |
EKML |
Did it work? |
| 18:52 |
mchua |
no, way too few people :) |
| 18:52 |
EKML |
figured :p |
| 18:52 |
mchua |
too few people-hours to run all of the tests well and report them *and* bug devs about them, imho |
| 18:52 |
|
so then we went "Oh. Okay, that's not possible. Volunteers!" |
| 18:53 |
|
(Well, the actual story is more complicated, but that's a good enough approximation for the purposes of this discussion.) |
| 18:53 |
EKML |
yeah |
| 18:53 |
|
I think I'm familiar with the problem. |
| 18:53 |
tabitha |
well we have group that can do big-ish tests and with potential of another ten XOs coming (fingers crossed this is still happening) we can do tests with 20 XOs |
| 18:53 |
Zoysiamo_ |
is out. Let me know what I should be doing, I'd be glad to help. |
| 18:54 |
EKML |
:/ |
| 18:54 |
tabitha |
I will struggle to do much outside of New Zealand as it is being in faces that makes the difference |
| 18:54 |
mchua |
I think the important thing is not so much who has the responsibility or how it's divided, but that there /is/ some clear notion of who's responsible for what, and until what time that is effective (and if anything remains nobody's responsibility, what those things are and how they can be picked up) |
| 18:54 |
EKML |
agrees |
| 18:54 |
tabitha |
But I can help the "top volunteer" in each location if that helps |
| 18:54 |
mchua |
that does |
| 18:55 |
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we're running short on time (though I'm happy to stay longer /come back tomorrow / go onto email if people have burning discussions they want to continue) |
| 18:56 |
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Our next big date to hit is Monday - this coming Monday, Jan. 12 |
| 18:56 |
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that's when http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2#QA happens |
| 18:56 |
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"the format's a bit unusual, as this started as "Mel and Ed should have a meeting to talk about QA going forward," ran into "But there's no time, and the community should be involved anyway," and rapidly turned into "well, why don't we just invite everyone else and have it at XOCamp?"" |
| 18:56 |
EKML |
heh |
| 18:56 |
mchua |
I'll do my best to get that filmed/transcribed/an IRC backchannel so that anyone who wants to can participate |
| 18:57 |
cjl |
tabitha: Coordinating with people like greebo that can do their own local whip-cracking is about all anyone can be expected to do, (beyond the reach of your local whip). |
| 18:57 |
tabitha |
happy to do that cjl |
| 18:57 |
mchua |
what would be very helpful, before that conversation, is if people could help lengthen the list of questions there - and write up proposed answers to them, and put forth ideas |
| 18:57 |
dirakx |
ok my proposal is to begin moving all the activity testing to Sl at least the top level sugar related part..i guess our QA people is prepared to dicern between only XO related stuff and only sugar stuff... |
| 18:57 |
mchua |
basically, when we sit down, we want to have as many questions, concerns, ideas, etc. as possible out on the table |
| 18:57 |
dirakx |
but ok let's save this for another time.. |
| 18:58 |
EKML |
yah |
| 18:58 |
mchua |
dirakx: go, go, edit! http://wiki.laptop.org/index.p[…]n=edit§ion=27 |
| 18:58 |
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what other time? ;) |
| 18:58 |
dirakx |
ok..:) |
| 18:58 |
EKML |
I have to go crack the whip of my psudeo-peons in a little bit |
| 18:58 |
mchua |
I plan on sending that request out to the mailing list, and trying to ping people individually before Monday as much as I can |
| 18:58 |
dirakx |
since everyone is going.. |
| 18:58 |
tabitha |
other time = next friday? |
| 18:58 |
mchua |
Probably after tomorrow night because I have to wrap up the rest of my employee stuff at OLPC tomorrow |
| 18:58 |
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well, we have 4 days to get all of those questions and such ready before the talk with Ed |
| 18:59 |
dirakx |
i'll edit that page..:) |
| 18:59 |
mchua |
thanks dirakx! |
| 18:59 |
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I know things might seem kinda fuzzy right now, but remember, we *can* keep doing what we're doing |
| 18:59 |
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and still be ok - actually, still be fantastic |
| 18:59 |
dirakx |
mchua: thanks for this..- |
| 18:59 |
mchua |
so yeah, 8.2.1 and Activity testing will continue; we'll likely add Sugar testing to the mix at some point soon |
| 19:00 |
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dirakx: no, thank you all for coming tonight; it's been very helpful |
| 19:00 |
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I was just telling Adam that I was happy about the changes - we have been having, basically, all community testing in deed, but not in word |
| 19:00 |
tabitha |
cool, we will start thinking about how we use sugar labs bugsquad more |
| 19:00 |
mchua |
and now we're doing it "in word" as well, which is awesome |
| 19:00 |
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tabitha: fantastic |
| 19:00 |
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tabitha: simon is the person to talk to about that, in #sugar |
| 19:01 |
tabitha |
thanks Mel |
| 19:01 |
mchua |
I have a request - since I'm going to be swamped for the next 24 hours, can someone else post notes this time? |
| 19:02 |
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(as in, I literally do not think I will have internet access between now and 5pm EST tomorrow, that doesn't need to be spent on Things That Aren't Community Testing) |
| 19:02 |
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(this involves grabbing the logs from meeting.laptop.org, updating the meeting wiki page with a link to the logs + a brief summary + any action items, and then mailing the link for the wiki page out to the testing list.) |
| 19:03 |
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I really have to run now, but if someone could grab that while I'm away, that would be totally wonderful) |
| 19:03 |
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thanks, everyone I'm going to #endmeeting and scramble out |
| 19:03 |
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y'all rock |
| 19:03 |
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#endmeeting |