| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 16:02 | dogi | agenda |
| 16:02 | hhardy | There's no agenda on the VIG page but I had a topic to discuss |
| 16:02 | dogi | #topic agenda |
| 16:02 | hhardy | Which is, what future VIG projects |
| 16:02 | #topic Agenda | |
| 16:03 | dogi | * future VIG projects |
| 16:03 | * pootle update | |
| 16:03 | * migration to vig.laptop.org | |
| 16:04 | hhardy | is there any report on the state of rt? |
| 16:04 | dogi | * idea.laptop.org and task for vig |
| 16:04 | * rt update | |
| 16:04 | hhardy | that it? |
| 16:04 | dogi | i think so .. |
| 16:04 | hhardy | #topic future VIG projects |
| 16:05 | Pablo Flores from Plan Ceibal in Uruguay came to see me while he was in Boston | |
| 16:06 | I was thinking that places to store images of the machines or user content, school servers and places to serve web content are all needed by most if not all large deployments | |
| 16:07 | I am just wondering aloud if theres a way for VIG to assisst the various country deployments | |
| 16:07 | of course in UY, that's LATU not Ceibal and I don't see them soliciting volunteer help | |
| 16:07 | dogi | hmmm |
| 16:08 | hhardy | I'm thinking as the center shrinks more infrastructure needs migrate out to country level |
| 16:08 | dogi | are u thinking of a main-schoolserver ??? |
| 16:08 | hhardy | or some, at least a working prototype |
| 16:08 | as a live system | |
| 16:09 | dogi | interresting ... |
| 16:09 | http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=19413 | |
| 16:09 | ??? | |
| 16:09 | hhardy | I dont have a specific proposal yet, just wanted to think aloud on it |
| 16:10 | yes thats part of it | |
| 16:11 | dogi | ok |
| 16:11 | hhardy | collaboration is 1, storage and retrieval of machine images is 2, web and blog hosting is 3 |
| 16:11 | they dont necessarily have to be consolidated functions | |
| 16:12 | dogi | i think reubencaron is the person we should involve ... and/or martin |
| 16:12 | hhardy | I guess I would add better tools for local key management |
| 16:12 | unlocking security bricked machines has an impact in UY said Pablo | |
| 16:12 | yes | |
| 16:13 | reubencaron: ping | |
| 16:13 | he's often lurking here | |
| 16:14 | #action talk to reubencaron and martin about a vig-administered schoolserver | |
| 16:14 | #topic pootle update | |
| 16:15 | dogi | has a point to add to agenda: recruting new VIGs |
| 16:15 | hhardy | good one |
| 16:15 | #topic agenda: add recruting new VIGs | |
| 16:15 | #topic pootle update | |
| 16:16 | reubencaron | hhardy: I agree there is a need for what you mention but it is out of the scope of what OLPC and VIG should support |
| 16:16 | dogi | unmadindu: ping |
| 16:16 | reubencaron | hhardy: I believe VIG needs to concentrate on administering the necessary IT functions of OLPC |
| 16:17 | unmadindu | dogi: pong |
| 16:17 | hhardy | I guess I am thinking as more services more out to the perhifery I'd like to see VIG grow along with that |
| 16:17 | unmadindu | I have finally started to take over from _bernie the Pootle instance on t.sl.o |
| 16:17 | dogi | sound great |
| 16:17 | +s | |
| 16:17 | unmadindu | I think we are ready to move (and dev.laptop.org is severely strained, so I think we should do it asap) |
| 16:18 | dogi | ok |
| 16:18 | hhardy | reubencaron: do you think a schoolserver project would be better as an independent initiative? |
| 16:18 | unmadindu | dogi: do you think you can redirect dev.laptop.org/translate to translate.sl.o ? |
| 16:18 | dogi | so i need to change the cnames |
| 16:18 | hhardy | sorry offtopic atm |
| 16:18 | reubencaron | dogi: can we switch topics back to this |
| 16:19 | unmadindu | dogi: fine |
| 16:19 | dogi | ok |
| 16:19 | hhardy | #topic VIG schoolserver? |
| 16:20 | reubencaron | hhardy: It is my understanding that the VIG group was created to a volunteer group that helped maintain the infrastructure needed by OLPC |
| 16:20 | hhardy | reubencaron: schoolserver better as an independent project? |
| 16:20 | reubencaron | hhardy: well I do not think what you are talking about is what we define as schoolserver |
| 16:20 | hhardy | ok |
| 16:21 | reubencaron | hhardy: I believe what you mean is a centralized repository of what deployments need, correct? |
| 16:22 | hhardy | VIG was really the result of greg Dekoenigsberg and Kim pushing to move more functions out to the community and me enthusiasically agreeing |
| 16:22 | dogi | reubencaron, i think now we are doing OLPC and OLPC/Sugarlabs related stuff |
| 16:23 | hhardy | it has always had a role in administering some core services but the first and foremost role was to channal community support and ideas into OLPC |
| 16:23 | reubencaron | hhardy: dogi right, but I believe we should be trying to slim down infrastructure i.e. no more VMs and push more out to the community |
| 16:23 | hhardy: that is news to me | |
| 16:24 | hhardy | on the VIG page it says: The spirit of OLPC includes one core thing: the community. This includes everyone, from the children and their families to their teachers and everyone who are collaborating towards the success of the project. |
| 16:24 | reubencaron | hhardy: you don't think the wiki serves much of what you described? |
| 16:25 | hhardy | not in terms of people actually doing them VIG was for hands on setting up and administering services |
| 16:25 | reubencaron | hhardy: they contribute to the project through "We are looking for a few good sysadmins to assist with our public-facing infrastructure." |
| 16:25 | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/VIG#Infrastructure_gang | |
| 16:26 | hhardy | wiki is fine for a slow kind of talking shop but it doesnt get things done |
| 16:26 | reubencaron | Make the sysadmin's job easier |
| 16:26 | Improve the infrastructure systems through "many hands/many minds" | |
| 16:26 | Strengthen ties with the community | |
| 16:26 | hhardy | yes I wrote thefirst version of that |
| 16:27 | reubencaron | hhardy: I know, just focusing you on what I believed the intent of VIG to be, regardless, we are off topic now |
| 16:27 | the better question is | |
| 16:27 | hhardy: you don't think the wiki serves much of what you described? | |
| 16:28 | hhardy | the answer is VIG has never been only about supporting existing infrastructure |
| 16:28 | although I personally agree that is a worthy priority | |
| 16:28 | no I don't | |
| 16:29 | VIG is a place for sysadmins to actually do things | |
| 16:29 | wiki is a place to talk about talking about doing things | |
| 16:30 | dogi | feels about wiki the same ... |
| 16:31 | reubencaron | hhardy: from the comment I am working from: |
| 16:31 | collaboration =jabber.laptop.org | |
| 16:31 | storage and retrieval of machine images=download.laptop.org | |
| 16:31 | web=laptop.org wiki.laptop.org | |
| 16:31 | blog hosting=blog.laptop.org | |
| 16:31 | hhardy | download is pretty limited in space it mgiht be nice to give it anther few disks |
| 16:31 | reubencaron | I think VIG should focus on maintaining those and other core OLPC systems, not recreating the wheel |
| 16:32 | hhardy: well there that is an action item ;) | |
| 16:32 | i meant :) | |
| 16:32 | hhardy | it certainly cant let a teacher save a custom image for a class much less an individual childs work |
| 16:32 | #action: more disk for download | |
| 16:32 | reubencaron | hhardy: why should OLPC ever support hosting of a specific deployments custom image? |
| 16:33 | hhardy | I think it is more interesting to host a prototype of such a service which can be replicated |
| 16:33 | the same with a distributed form of key management | |
| 16:34 | I agree we havent the resources to host entire world for these functions | |
| 16:34 | reubencaron | hhardy: we already have a prototype of what can be replicated, XS |
| 16:34 | hhardy | I dont want to scare you reubencaron: I understand there are basic services to maintain |
| 16:35 | reubencaron | hhardy: now I am confused of what you are proposing. let's think about it a bit more a talk next week? |
| 16:35 | hhardy | My thought is it would be nice for VIG to have a project to work on together |
| 16:35 | reubencaron | hhardy: thanks |
| 16:35 | hhardy | so far we have adric over there doing rt, and noah over there doing trac, and unmanindu over here doing pootle |
| 16:36 | dogi | pootle? |
| 16:36 | hhardy | no? |
| 16:36 | dogi | yes |
| 16:36 | hhardy | yes talk more next week |
| 16:36 | reubencaron | hhardy: thanks |
| 16:36 | dogi | sorry |
| 16:36 | hhardy | whats the next agenda item, scolled off |
| 16:36 | *scrolled | |
| 16:37 | dogi | but pootle is the thing i want to go on |
| 16:37 | hhardy | #agenda pootle |
| 16:37 | dogi | unmadindu, ping |
| 16:37 | unmadindu | pong |
| 16:37 | hhardy | #topic pootle |
| 16:38 | unmadindu | dogi: so, as I was suggesting, do you think we can coordinate this tomorrow ? The steps are: |
| 16:38 | dogi | pootle.l.o and translate.l.o cname of translate.sl.o |
| 16:38 | unmadindu | 1. Announce the transition, and downtime of a few hours (to be safe) |
| 16:38 | 2. Shutdown dev.laptop.org Pootle and redirect it to | |
| 16:38 | translate.sugarlabs.org (we have quite a few translators who do not | |
| 16:38 | read the mailing list regularly, so this should reduce confusion) | |
| 16:38 | 3. Rsync all relevant data | |
| 16:38 | 4. Reindex the data for the new Pootle installation (this takes time, | |
| 16:38 | and hence the 12 hour window) | |
| 16:38 | 5. Startup Pootle on translate.sugarlabs.org | |
| 16:38 | 6. Pray :-) | |
| 16:39 | hhardy | people would probably like 24 hours notice |
| 16:39 | dogi | point 2 |
| 16:39 | unmadindu | hhardy: yes - so if I send out a notice today, we can do the transition tomorrow |
| 16:39 | dogi | redirect to translate.l.o not sl.o |
| 16:40 | unmadindu | dogi: but we don't have a pootle instance that is useful on translate.l.o :-( |
| 16:40 | dogi | for the 2 facing service |
| 16:41 | translate.l.o will be cname of translate.sl.o | |
| 16:41 | unmadindu | dogi: sounds fine. (note that the 2 facing service is not set up yet) - but it should not be a major issue immediately |
| 16:41 | dogi | so u can intercept tr.l.o for the other face? |
| 16:42 | ok | |
| 16:42 | unmadindu | dogi: I think I can |
| 16:42 | dogi | then i will ask today for the dns changes |
| 16:42 | unmadindu | dogi: fine thanks :-) |
| 16:43 | dogi: we would need to coordinate on the specific time on which to point d.l.o/translate to t.l.o | |
| 16:43 | dogi | and if they work tomorrow we will go by my plan otherwise redirect directly to tr.sl.o.ok? |
| 16:43 | unmadindu | dogi: sounds fine |
| 16:44 | dogi | ok |
| 16:44 | unmadindu | dogi: will you be around tomorrow at this time ? |
| 16:44 | so that I can ping you after d.l.o/translate is taken down, so that it can be redirected ? | |
| 16:44 | dogi | sure ... maybe a little bit earlier ... have a meeting tomorrow ... |
| 16:45 | fine | |
| 16:45 | unmadindu | dogi: 12:00 EST ? |
| 16:45 | dogi | +1 |
| 16:45 | unmadindu | super - thank you very much :-) |
| 16:45 | dogi | #action change dns for pootle |
| 16:46 | no thank u :) | |
| 16:47 | #topic new VIGs | |
| 16:47 | hhardy | #topic new VIGs |
| 16:47 | dogi | we need to do 2 things |
| 16:48 | first define easy tasks ... maybe using idea.laptop.org | |
| 16:49 | and then ask support gang to vote for that ideas | |
| 16:49 | and by that we can ask them to join .. | |
| 16:49 | hhardy | so maybe you will talk on the Sunday call about this? |
| 16:49 | dogi | bingo |
| 16:49 | hhardy | it is a good idea to try |
| 16:50 | dogi | but first we need to define that easy tasks ... |
| 16:50 | hhardy | #action Dogi to have Adam make time for VIG idea.laptop.org discussion on Sunday |
| 16:51 | dogi | #action hhardy has to help us ... :P |
| 16:51 | hhardy | administering the VIG mailing list and administering idea are two things |
| 16:51 | dogi | ;p; |
| 16:52 | lol | |
| 16:52 | hhardy | you want me to write Adam and ask that he make time for you? |
| 16:53 | dogi | no we need a list of task for which we could ask for help |
| 16:53 | hhardy | setting up activity hosting used to be something but it seems to have almost doed out since January |
| 16:56 | dogi | #action fill idea with 10 example ideas |
| 16:58 | hhardy | #topic rt update |
| 16:58 | dogi | :) |
| 16:59 | there is a new VM set up right now | |
| 16:59 | first point of 3 is finished ... i m stocked by the 2nd point | |
| 17:00 | more next week | |
| 17:00 | hhardy | #topic new business |
| 17:01 | #endmeeting |