Time |
Nick |
Message |
16:11 |
dogi |
#topic teach status |
16:11 |
hhardy |
can I add links if you startmeeting? |
16:11 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: no |
16:11 |
hhardy |
ok look slike you have iut |
16:11 |
dogi |
ok |
16:11 |
lfaraone |
# Status of teach.laptop.org (lfaraone) |
16:11 |
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# Identify owners for critical existing services |
16:11 |
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* Status of RT ticket handling |
16:11 |
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o adric rt spam issue |
16:11 |
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* Mission-critical EXISTING services requiring care |
16:11 |
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# |
16:11 |
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# Migration to W91 and cleaning the Serverroom at 1cc |
16:11 |
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* awk: upgrade to 16 GB ram for pootle VM * weka: VMs to move bevor moving weka to W91: firmware, kino, proxy2 * pictures of 1cc server room and W91: http://kuku.laptop.org/1ccw91/ |
16:11 |
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# |
16:11 |
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* |
16:11 |
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o |
16:12 |
adric |
Um. |
16:12 |
lfaraone |
# update the to monitored systems in bigsister on thinker and in the VM on owl (W91) |
16:12 |
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# |
16:12 |
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# http://www.ubuntu.com/products[…]tion/features/ec2 |
16:12 |
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# New business |
16:12 |
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(so that it's in the meeting log) |
16:12 |
dogi |
thanks |
16:13 |
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anybody something to add? |
16:13 |
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no? |
16:13 |
hhardy |
none here |
16:13 |
dogi |
then let s have teach.laptop.org upgrade status |
16:14 |
|
lfaraone ... |
16:14 |
lfaraone |
Ok. |
16:14 |
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teach is currently on fedora 9. |
16:14 |
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It is fully updated, and afaict fully functional. |
16:14 |
dogi |
nice :) |
16:14 |
lfaraone |
Fedora 9 is EOL in June, so we have until then to upgrade to Fedora 10. |
16:14 |
hhardy |
anything new instlaled or just update? |
16:14 |
lfaraone |
Assumine we still have teach by that point. |
16:15 |
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hhardy: only a 1.2GB yum update. |
16:15 |
hhardy |
great gj lfaraone |
16:15 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: Thanks. |
16:15 |
dogi |
and teach is save in the serverroom ... table rails construction ,,, |
16:16 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: The only thing we don't have is reliable backups. |
16:16 |
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dogi: we have a UPS right? |
16:16 |
dogi |
documentation of what u did? |
16:16 |
hhardy |
the tower of babel dogi is constructing in there |
16:16 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: or any backups as far as I know. |
16:16 |
dogi |
lfaraone, no ... they are not attached to that ... |
16:16 |
hhardy |
theres a ups in the rock in 1cc server room not sure whats actually plugged into it needs to be checked |
16:16 |
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*rack |
16:17 |
lfaraone |
dogi: well, I tar'd /home /etc and /var/www and piped the output to ssh on dev.l.o where it was written to a private file in my home DIR. I since removed the backup. |
16:17 |
dogi |
#action dogi: investigate UPS for desktopserver ... |
16:17 |
lfaraone |
dogi: all in all teach had about 25GB of data-worth-saving. |
16:18 |
dogi |
lfaraone, cool |
16:18 |
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further plans? for teach? |
16:18 |
lfaraone |
dogi: Currently, none as of now. |
16:18 |
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dogi: it's an "open machine" for any tasks people need. |
16:19 |
hhardy |
lfaraone, right now you cannot access the machine:teach page on internalwiki right? |
16:19 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: correct. |
16:19 |
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We _could_ offer it to SL as a fedora shell server for their development. |
16:19 |
hhardy |
so thats an issue to address |
16:19 |
lfaraone |
(just one idea) |
16:19 |
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hhardy: mhm. |
16:19 |
dogi |
save the documentation in the file /root/install on teach.l.o |
16:20 |
hhardy |
where can/should we put the VIG machine: pages and where should we mirror them |
16:20 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: IMHO, we should have all the documentation _on_the_machines_themselves in /root/ and rsynced to some master server. |
16:21 |
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hhardy: pure text. |
16:21 |
dogi |
lfaraone, +1 |
16:21 |
hhardy |
the nice thing about wiki is 1 versioned and 2 semantic |
16:21 |
dogi |
hmm that a point hhardy |
16:21 |
hhardy |
I was talking to ed about making a service: category to associate services with server documentation |
16:22 |
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so he could go to service:mail when mail down etc |
16:22 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: maybe. |
16:22 |
hhardy |
my suggestion is that we move the wiki apges to main wiki and mirror them however people want to do it |
16:22 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: Main wiki? wiki.l.o? |
16:22 |
hhardy |
aye |
16:22 |
dogi |
but for now since have no wiki where all VIG can access let s save the docu on the servers ... |
16:22 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: how do we deal with security? |
16:23 |
hhardy |
or to teamwiki if we want to pseudo-restrict access |
16:23 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: personally, I'm dissatisfied with all mediawiki-based security systems. |
16:23 |
dogi |
hhardy, please not teamwiki |
16:23 |
hhardy |
lol |
16:23 |
dogi |
:) |
16:23 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: I highly doubt that any of them would stand up to proper scruteny. |
16:24 |
hhardy |
we need ed and dogi to go through the existing pages and edit out anything we don't want public |
16:24 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: the simplest way is to use a standalone, open wiki on a HTTPS only server and require HTTP auth/client-side-certs for all who try ti view. |
16:24 |
dogi |
#topic Status of RT ticket handling |
16:24 |
hhardy |
thats possible |
16:24 |
dogi |
sorry |
16:25 |
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let s discuss that later ... |
16:25 |
hhardy |
look slike meeting wants to talk rt |
16:25 |
dogi |
adric |
16:25 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: that way we are using tested and resonably secure systems, rather than immature plugins that have big flashing boxes of "WARNING: THIS IS NOT VERY SECURE" above them. |
16:26 |
hhardy |
he hes back |
16:26 |
lfaraone |
wb, edmcnierney |
16:26 |
hhardy |
+1 lfaraone |
16:26 |
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discussing how to make the sysadmin docs accessible to VIG but maybe not to whole world |
16:26 |
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also on the subject of rt |
16:27 |
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how to set RT_SiteConfig.pm:Set($OwnerEmail , 'adric laptop.org'); |
16:27 |
adric |
Squeak. |
16:27 |
dogi |
hi adric |
16:27 |
hhardy |
I don't want it anymore ed not and adric not anyone want to receive and read those? |
16:27 |
dogi |
tell us about ur spam problems ... |
16:28 |
adric |
I'm getting RT errors in my mail. qed. |
16:28 |
hhardy |
rt sends a lot of loggish reports via email |
16:28 |
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it wants someone to talk to |
16:28 |
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is that too much to ask? |
16:28 |
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lol |
16:28 |
lfaraone |
hhardy, adric, if I were you, I'd set it to adric+rt l.o to easilly filter. |
16:29 |
hhardy |
it might actually want to say somethng like help I am broken one day |
16:29 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: or, let's spread the joy and set up a rt-is-sad lists.laptop.org :) |
16:29 |
hhardy |
lol |
16:30 |
dogi |
:P |
16:30 |
hhardy |
another mailing list, somehow if the discussion is long enough, that always becomes that standard olpc answer |
16:30 |
dogi |
or use gmail.laptop.org stuff |
16:30 |
hhardy |
who will set up a garbage email to send those to? |
16:31 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: make it a private no-subscriber list. that way nobody reads them but it's still archived. |
16:31 |
adric |
I can but I don't promise to pay much attention to it... |
16:32 |
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lfaraone: ++ |
16:32 |
dogi |
will set up the mail and then send that to hhardy or adric , ok? |
16:32 |
hhardy |
adric you see where that line is now? you can fix it approriately |
16:32 |
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I am not owning rt I am adric's rt minion |
16:32 |
adric |
Er, let me scroll up .. |
16:32 |
hhardy |
how to set RT_SiteConfig.pm:Set($OwnerEmail , 'adric laptop.org'); |
16:33 |
adric |
Um, yeah, except I foget my blessed sudo paswd again, *sigh* |
16:33 |
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is a bad user. |
16:33 |
hhardy |
in /etc/rt3 on rt instance on solar |
16:33 |
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emailling you a temp one |
16:33 |
adric |
what is Prof N's home email again? Surely thats in the scrollback... |
16:34 |
dogi |
lol |
16:34 |
hhardy |
done |
16:34 |
adric |
Grr, "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error" |
16:34 |
hhardy |
sorry try again |
16:34 |
adric |
right, got it now.. |
16:35 |
dogi |
adric, what is the status on rt-new? |
16:35 |
hhardy |
any idea on when to upgrade rt? |
16:35 |
adric |
No status really. I haven't had a second to work on OLPC stuff since before the staff cuts.. and those affected my motivation to make time. |
16:36 |
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But the plan stands. |
16:36 |
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Need someone with Postgresql skills to help us extract all of the public-ok data from existing RT and try and get a new RT3.8 runing on that in sandbox |
16:36 |
dogi |
adam is asking me nearly every day ... |
16:36 |
adric |
Poor Adam... |
16:37 |
dogi |
:P |
16:37 |
adric |
No sarcasm. He works really really hard for the Mission, and the Organization keeps pulling the ship out from under him. |
16:37 |
hhardy |
adric I suggest bernie |
16:38 |
adric |
Can we just hand it to SL? f they want it they have it, given the events.. |
16:38 |
hhardy |
we need an orderly transition |
16:38 |
lfaraone |
adric: give what? |
16:38 |
|
adric: RT? |
16:38 |
hhardy |
we can't give rt to them I dont think |
16:38 |
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we can maybe give trac I think tho |
16:38 |
adric |
Not unti the non-public stuff is out of there? |
16:39 |
lfaraone |
adric: there still is a support-gang... |
16:39 |
hhardy |
dogi can you #IDEA trac to Sugar Labs? pls |
16:39 |
adric |
lfaraone: I know and I don't know where it fits .. not that it/we ever fit all that well. |
16:39 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: Lemme get this straight, I thought OLPC is still doing _development_ |
16:39 |
dogi |
#IDEA trac to Sugar Labs |
16:40 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: albiet non-sugar devel, but they still need trac. |
16:40 |
hhardy |
lfaraone you have to ask ed about that |
16:40 |
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lfaraone: you have to ask ed about that |
16:40 |
adric |
I was going to nominate Ed, but he's been nice so far.. |
16:40 |
lfaraone |
edmcnierney: I'm pretty sure you want trac still, right? |
16:40 |
hhardy |
I don't know what the current plans are going forward |
16:40 |
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edmcnierney: ping? |
16:40 |
dogi |
#topic |
16:40 |
cjb |
Hi. |
16:41 |
dogi |
#topic Migration to W91 and cleaning the Serverroom at 1cc |
16:41 |
hhardy |
wave cjb |
16:41 |
cjb |
SL are migrating Sugar bugs over to SL's Trac |
16:41 |
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they'll leave notes on the OLPC bugs saying what the new address for the bug is |
16:41 |
dogi |
http://kuku.laptop.org/1ccw91/ |
16:41 |
cjb |
no change other than that, so nothing for VIG |
16:41 |
hhardy |
we still have need for olpc trac also? |
16:41 |
cjb |
yes |
16:41 |
dogi |
yes |
16:41 |
hhardy |
ok |
16:41 |
lfaraone |
That's what I thought... |
16:43 |
hhardy |
what about w91 etc? |
16:43 |
dogi |
http://kuku.laptop.org/1ccw91/1CC W91 027.JPG |
16:43 |
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first download.l.o |
16:44 |
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i don t have access there ... |
16:44 |
hhardy |
have to talk to cscott I think |
16:44 |
cjb |
I do |
16:44 |
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(got it yesterday) |
16:44 |
dogi |
a that XO (laptop) server needs to be moved ,,, |
16:45 |
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cjb: cool |
16:45 |
cjb |
which server would you like to move it to? |
16:46 |
dogi |
jabber.laptop.org is the next serverdesktop which has to be moved |
16:46 |
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cjb, download is not in a ideal place there on top of the rack ... |
16:47 |
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http://kuku.laptop.org/1ccw91/1CC W91 008.JPG |
16:47 |
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i want to move it to the tables ... |
16:48 |
hhardy |
the best place for download might be at w-91 |
16:48 |
lfaraone |
Vis-a-vis teach, if it isn't used and is hosted at W91, would we be able to donate its services to SL? |
16:48 |
dogi |
in all now we have 12 desktop/laptop server which needs ur love |
16:48 |
hhardy |
teach is a desktop its not really suitable for w-91 |
16:48 |
cjb |
dogi: right, but tell me what machine you want to serve as its replacement |
16:48 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: ah, not familiar with the center. |
16:48 |
cjb |
the reason we used an XO is that there weren't any spare servers |
16:49 |
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(oh, same machine, different place, okay) |
16:49 |
hhardy |
these pictures we are seeing are of the OLPC server room in 1cc |
16:49 |
dogi |
+1 |
16:49 |
adric |
hhardy: Would it be really bad to aim RT at the VIG mailing list? |
16:49 |
cjb |
adric: yes |
16:49 |
lfaraone |
adric: I'd unsubscribe. |
16:49 |
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adric: in less than 30 seconds |
16:49 |
dogi |
me too |
16:49 |
_bernie |
urgh I was out for dinner |
16:49 |
lfaraone |
adric: or your money back |
16:50 |
|
hey _bernie |
16:50 |
hhardy |
-2 adric |
16:50 |
adric |
I'm about to unsubscribe from .l.o over this myself . so I understand |
16:50 |
cjl |
wakes up and looks around. . . |
16:50 |
adric |
but I have this vi window opena nd I'me not closing it until I aim it something other than my primary mailbox (which gets enough mail, thanks) |
16:50 |
dogi |
adric, https://www.google.com/a/lapto[…]ault<mplcache=2 |
16:50 |
lfaraone |
adric: point it at a filter |
16:50 |
adric |
seconds cjl's self-nomination |
16:51 |
lfaraone |
adric: or, as dogi said, to gmail. :) |
16:51 |
dogi |
we need only define a new email box there |
16:51 |
adric |
what is the gmail box from that mess? |
16:51 |
lfaraone |
adric: gmail.l.o |
16:51 |
adric |
oh. Lol |
16:51 |
lfaraone |
adric: anyemailyouwant gmail.l.o |
16:52 |
adric |
rt@ ? Can someone add that please? |
16:52 |
dogi |
lfaraone, no but nearly |
16:52 |
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yes |
16:52 |
lfaraone |
dogi: I smell an #ACTIONITEM |
16:52 |
hhardy |
don't call it rt |
16:52 |
|
rt knows itself as that |
16:52 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: why not? |
16:52 |
adric |
rt-solar ? |
16:52 |
hhardy |
call it rt-admin or something |
16:52 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: rt-debug? |
16:52 |
hhardy |
yea |
16:52 |
dogi |
please not rt l.o |
16:52 |
adric |
solar-rt ? |
16:52 |
dogi |
bingo |
16:54 |
|
so then to W91 |
16:54 |
|
http://kuku.laptop.org/1ccw91/1CC W91 041.JPG |
16:55 |
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i m upgrading awk.laptop.org to 16GB |
16:55 |
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so that that machine is kvm capable |
16:55 |
hhardy |
is a 64 bit system? |
16:56 |
dogi |
it is no an amd |
16:56 |
adric |
dogi: please, which address did you create for rt ? |
16:56 |
dogi |
but still |
16:56 |
|
rt.mogidi.net |
16:56 |
adric |
lfaraone: Remind me to ask later how you made IRC do bold. |
16:56 |
hhardy |
[this week's minutes are now posted at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC[…]_Minutes_and_Logs ] |
16:57 |
lfaraone |
adric: sure. |
16:57 |
hhardy |
7 minutes to 5 |
16:57 |
adric |
dogi: email address ? |
16:57 |
cjl |
adric: http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/faq/#colors covers tah tpretty well |
16:58 |
dogi |
#topic DNS |
16:58 |
adric |
cjl,lfaraone : hmm,k |
16:59 |
dogi |
hhardy: am I right that u are able to run a DNS server? |
16:59 |
hhardy |
that I know how? |
16:59 |
adric |
dogi: Please, did you create a mailbox, or should I aim this at you? |
16:59 |
dogi |
or 2 :P |
16:59 |
hhardy |
adric give him till after the meeting |
17:00 |
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trying to do too much during meeting leads to chaos |
17:00 |
dogi |
adric, yes ask me after the meeting |
17:00 |
adric |
Fine. |
17:00 |
dogi |
cause we dont have direct DNS access for now |
17:00 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: is awk in use? |
17:01 |
hhardy |
I know named very well, and gated, these days suggest using tinydns tho |
17:01 |
dogi |
and i want to ask if we are able do run DNS by ur self |
17:01 |
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what do we need for that ... DNS system? |
17:01 |
hhardy |
anyone with a routable address can act as source of authority for a domain |
17:02 |
|
generally speaking |
17:02 |
dogi |
yes |
17:02 |
cjb |
dogi: what are you proposing be run? |
17:03 |
|
(and where?) |
17:03 |
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confused |
17:03 |
hhardy |
right now medai.mit.edu is the source of authority for the laptop.org domain |
17:03 |
dogi |
cjb, for now my plan is to ask medialab if we can access their dns, but if that don t works |
17:04 |
hhardy |
and it is owned by mbletsas |
17:04 |
dogi |
i only wanted to know if we could/would do |
17:04 |
|
dns by ur own systems |
17:04 |
hhardy |
we could host it but I am not volunteering to set it up or run it |
17:04 |
|
I will advise |
17:04 |
dogi |
lol |
17:05 |
_bernie |
dogi: for the DNS, I'm very experienced. I can handle that. |
17:05 |
|
dogi: I have a dozen of domains already |
17:05 |
dogi |
_bernie, thx |
17:05 |
_bernie |
with several slaves |
17:05 |
lfaraone |
_bernie: /me organizes a slave rebellion. |
17:05 |
dogi |
#topic kvm on thinker |
17:05 |
cjl |
5 |
17:07 |
hhardy |
I'm Spartacus! |
17:07 |
dogi |
lol |
17:08 |
|
today I started to install all kvm related packages on thinker |
17:08 |
hhardy |
actionitem Bernie to assist with DNS? |
17:08 |
dogi |
ups |
17:08 |
|
#action Bernie to assist with DNS |
17:09 |
|
i hope by tomorrow it is a kvm server ... |
17:09 |
|
i will upgrade the docs on internalwiki |
17:10 |
|
questions? |
17:10 |
|
#topic update the to monitored systems in bigsister on thinker and in the VM on owl (W91) |
17:11 |
hhardy |
I would like to hand over maintaining bigsister to VIG also I will help whoever wants to take it to understand |
17:12 |
dogi |
hmm |
17:12 |
hhardy |
theres essentially only one configuration file you need to worry about unless you want to get fancy |
17:13 |
cjb |
dogi: cool. thinker's just doing big sister at the moment, and you want to offer kvm hosting on it? |
17:13 |
dogi |
bingo |
17:13 |
_bernie |
hhardy: I have exactly 0 experience with bigsister, but I was looking for something like that for sugarlabs |
17:14 |
hhardy |
didn't sl set up munin recently? |
17:14 |
_bernie |
hhardy: indeed, but it has a slightly different usecase |
17:15 |
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hhardy: munin has nice detailed graphs, but lacks a high level summary of all servers |
17:15 |
|
and alarms |
17:15 |
hhardy |
sure if you want to assist with maintaining bs for olpc the configuration is easily transportable to another setup once you understand it |
17:16 |
_bernie |
if nobody else commits to take over bigsister, I'll give it a shot |
17:16 |
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hhardy: the "once you understand it" part scares me :-) |
17:16 |
hhardy |
dogi bernie would need root to maintain bs on thinker do you want to put it on a vm? |
17:17 |
|
if you mess up you probably get all purples |
17:17 |
_bernie |
hhardy: lol |
17:17 |
dogi |
hhardy: yes and :P |
17:18 |
hhardy |
I dont know maybe secret stuff is going there lol |
17:18 |
_bernie |
the thing monitoring all VMs running in yet another VM is a bit funny, but ok |
17:18 |
hhardy |
bernie are you in italy now? |
17:18 |
dogi |
#topic link of the week: # http://www.ubuntu.com/products[…]tion/features/ec2 |
17:18 |
_bernie |
hhardy: yep |
17:19 |
dogi |
#topic new business |
17:19 |
_bernie |
and looking for ways to come back to the US with a better visa next time |
17:19 |
hhardy |
my 50th birthday party tomorrow is my only new business 7-9 pm at charlies kitchen in harvard square |
17:20 |
dogi |
:P |
17:20 |
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i will be there |
17:20 |
adric |
congrads on your escape _bernie |
17:20 |
cjb |
oh, I had something |
17:20 |
|
SL was hoping we could donate a server to them |
17:20 |
hhardy |
awesome see if wife wants to invite friends :) |
17:21 |
|
that was to dogi not cjb lol |
17:21 |
_bernie |
adric: from the US? actually I was forced to leave by immigration law :-) |
17:21 |
cjb |
but Ed said he wanted a catalog of our servers first |
17:21 |
|
and which ones are not in use |
17:21 |
hhardy |
dogi is there a box that would be possible to donate to sl? |
17:22 |
cjb |
dogi was working on that catalog, I think? |
17:22 |
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hhardy: we already know there's at least one spare box |
17:22 |
dogi |
jupp |
17:22 |
hhardy |
there's the invetory on google docs |
17:22 |
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that has most of the server room equipment |
17:22 |
_bernie |
dogi: did we find some more ram for it? |
17:22 |
hhardy |
incl serial numbers and the like |
17:22 |
cjb |
dogi: so, which machines are spare? |
17:23 |
dogi |
<dogi> http://kuku.laptop.org/1ccw91/1CC W91 041.JPG |
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<dogi> i m upgrading awk.laptop.org to 16GB |
17:23 |
cjb |
hhardy: yeah, the problem isn't that we don't think we have a spare, but that Ed wants to knoe about _every_ spare before accepting that we're going to donate one |
17:23 |
dogi |
but for that i need to flash the bios ... |
17:23 |
cjb |
so, we need a current catalog of exactly which machines are free. |
17:23 |
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dogi: do we have this now? |
17:23 |
dogi |
the ram |
17:23 |
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yes |
17:24 |
cjb |
no. |
17:24 |
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the catalog of which machines are free. |
17:24 |
dogi |
axo |
17:24 |
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no ... not finished ... |
17:24 |
cjb |
since the blocker is getting Ed's permission, not having more RAM |
17:25 |
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okay, fine. so for next time we should add to the agenda that we're still waiting on a list of machine status. |
17:25 |
_bernie |
thanks |
17:25 |
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a physical machine would be very appreciated. |
17:25 |
hhardy |
cjb: added to proposed agenda |
17:25 |
cjb |
thanks |
17:25 |
dogi |
#action catalog of which machines are free |
17:26 |
cjb |
_bernie: that's the plan, yeah |
17:26 |
dogi |
#endmeeting |