Sugar meeting

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Time	Nick	Message
16:11	dogi	#topic teach status
16:11	hhardy	can I add links if you startmeeting?
16:11	lfaraone	hhardy: no
16:11	hhardy	ok look slike you have iut
16:11	dogi	ok
16:11	lfaraone	# Status of teach.laptop.org (lfaraone)
16:11		# Identify owners for critical existing services
16:11		* Status of RT ticket handling
16:11		o adric rt spam issue
16:11		* Mission-critical EXISTING services requiring care
16:11		#
16:11		# Migration to W91 and cleaning the Serverroom at 1cc
16:11		* awk: upgrade to 16 GB ram for pootle VM * weka: VMs to move bevor moving weka to W91: firmware, kino, proxy2 * pictures of 1cc server room and W91: http://kuku.laptop.org/1ccw91/
16:11		#
16:11		*
16:11		o
16:12	adric	Um.
16:12	lfaraone	# update the to monitored systems in bigsister on thinker and in the VM on owl (W91)
16:12		#
16:12		# http://www.ubuntu.com/products[…]tion/features/ec2
16:12		# New business
16:12		(so that it's in the meeting log)
16:12	dogi	thanks
16:13		anybody something to add?
16:13		no?
16:13	hhardy	none here
16:13	dogi	then let s have teach.laptop.org upgrade status
16:14		lfaraone ...
16:14	lfaraone	Ok.
16:14		teach is currently on fedora 9.
16:14		It is fully updated, and afaict fully functional.
16:14	dogi	nice :)
16:14	lfaraone	Fedora 9 is EOL in June, so we have until then to upgrade to Fedora 10.
16:14	hhardy	anything new instlaled or just update?
16:14	lfaraone	Assumine we still have teach by that point.
16:15		hhardy: only a 1.2GB yum update.
16:15	hhardy	great gj lfaraone
16:15	lfaraone	hhardy: Thanks.
16:15	dogi	and teach is save in the serverroom ... table rails construction ,,,
16:16	lfaraone	hhardy: The only thing we don't have is reliable backups.
16:16		dogi: we have a UPS right?
16:16	dogi	documentation of what u did?
16:16	hhardy	the tower of babel dogi is constructing in there
16:16	lfaraone	hhardy: or any backups as far as I know.
16:16	dogi	lfaraone, no ... they are not attached to that ...
16:16	hhardy	theres a ups in the rock in 1cc server room not sure whats actually plugged into it needs to be checked
16:16		*rack
16:17	lfaraone	dogi: well, I tar'd /home /etc and /var/www and piped the output to ssh on dev.l.o where it was written to a private file in my home DIR. I since removed the backup.
16:17	dogi	#action dogi: investigate UPS for desktopserver ...
16:17	lfaraone	dogi: all in all teach had about 25GB of data-worth-saving.
16:18	dogi	lfaraone, cool
16:18		further plans? for teach?
16:18	lfaraone	dogi: Currently, none as of now.
16:18		dogi: it's an "open machine" for any tasks people need.
16:19	hhardy	lfaraone, right now you cannot access the machine:teach page on internalwiki right?
16:19	lfaraone	hhardy: correct.
16:19		We _could_ offer it to SL as a fedora shell server for their development.
16:19	hhardy	so thats an issue to address
16:19	lfaraone	(just one idea)
16:19		hhardy: mhm.
16:19	dogi	save the documentation in the file /root/install on teach.l.o
16:20	hhardy	where can/should we put the VIG machine: pages and where should we mirror them
16:20	lfaraone	hhardy: IMHO, we should have all the documentation _on_the_machines_themselves in /root/ and rsynced to some master server.
16:21		hhardy: pure text.
16:21	dogi	lfaraone, +1
16:21	hhardy	the nice thing about wiki is 1 versioned and 2 semantic
16:21	dogi	hmm that a point hhardy
16:21	hhardy	I was talking to ed about making a service: category to associate services with server documentation
16:22		so he could go to service:mail when mail down etc
16:22	lfaraone	hhardy: maybe.
16:22	hhardy	my suggestion is that we move the wiki apges to main wiki and mirror them however people want to do it
16:22	lfaraone	hhardy: Main wiki? wiki.l.o?
16:22	hhardy	aye
16:22	dogi	but for now since have no wiki where all VIG can access let s save the docu on the servers ...
16:22	lfaraone	hhardy: how do we deal with security?
16:23	hhardy	or to teamwiki if we want to pseudo-restrict access
16:23	lfaraone	hhardy: personally, I'm dissatisfied with all mediawiki-based security systems.
16:23	dogi	hhardy, please not teamwiki
16:23	hhardy	lol
16:23	dogi	:)
16:23	lfaraone	hhardy: I highly doubt that any of them would stand up to proper scruteny.
16:24	hhardy	we need ed and dogi to go through the existing pages and edit out anything we don't want public
16:24	lfaraone	hhardy: the simplest way is to use a standalone, open wiki on a HTTPS only server and require HTTP auth/client-side-certs for all who try ti view.
16:24	dogi	#topic Status of RT ticket handling
16:24	hhardy	thats possible
16:24	dogi	sorry
16:25		let s discuss that later ...
16:25	hhardy	look slike meeting wants to talk rt
16:25	dogi	adric
16:25	lfaraone	hhardy: that way we are using tested and resonably secure systems, rather than immature plugins that have big flashing boxes of "WARNING: THIS IS NOT VERY SECURE" above them.
16:26	hhardy	he hes back
16:26	lfaraone	wb, edmcnierney
16:26	hhardy	+1 lfaraone
16:26		discussing how to make the sysadmin docs accessible to VIG but maybe not to whole world
16:26		also on the subject of rt
16:27		how to set RT_SiteConfig.pm:Set($OwnerEmail , 'adriclaptop.org');
16:27	adric	Squeak.
16:27	dogi	hi adric
16:27	hhardy	I don't want it anymore ed not and adric not anyone want to receive and read those?
16:27	dogi	tell us about ur spam problems ...
16:28	adric	I'm getting RT errors in my mail. qed.
16:28	hhardy	rt sends a lot of loggish reports via email
16:28		it wants someone to talk to
16:28		is that too much to ask?
16:28		lol
16:28	lfaraone	hhardy, adric, if I were you, I'd set it to adric+rtl.o to easilly filter.
16:29	hhardy	it might actually want to say somethng like help I am broken one day
16:29	lfaraone	hhardy: or, let's spread the joy and set up a rt-is-sadlists.laptop.org :)
16:29	hhardy	lol
16:30	dogi	:P
16:30	hhardy	another mailing list, somehow if the discussion is long enough, that always becomes that standard olpc answer
16:30	dogi	or use gmail.laptop.org stuff
16:30	hhardy	who will set up a garbage email to send those to?
16:31	lfaraone	hhardy: make it a private no-subscriber list. that way nobody reads them but it's still archived.
16:31	adric	I can but I don't promise to pay much attention to it...
16:32		lfaraone: ++
16:32	dogi	will set up the mail and then send that to hhardy or adric , ok?
16:32	hhardy	adric you see where that line is now? you can fix it approriately
16:32		I am not owning rt I am adric's rt minion
16:32	adric	Er, let me scroll up ..
16:32	hhardy	how to set RT_SiteConfig.pm:Set($OwnerEmail , 'adriclaptop.org');
16:33	adric	Um, yeah, except I foget my blessed sudo paswd again, sigh
16:33		is a bad user.
16:33	hhardy	in /etc/rt3 on rt instance on solar
16:33		emailling you a temp one
16:33	adric	what is Prof N's home email again? Surely thats in the scrollback...
16:34	dogi	lol
16:34	hhardy	done
16:34	adric	Grr, "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error"
16:34	hhardy	sorry try again
16:34	adric	right, got it now..
16:35	dogi	adric, what is the status on rt-new?
16:35	hhardy	any idea on when to upgrade rt?
16:35	adric	No status really. I haven't had a second to work on OLPC stuff since before the staff cuts.. and those affected my motivation to make time.
16:36		But the plan stands.
16:36		Need someone with Postgresql skills to help us extract all of the public-ok data from existing RT and try and get a new RT3.8 runing on that in sandbox
16:36	dogi	adam is asking me nearly every day ...
16:36	adric	Poor Adam...
16:37	dogi	:P
16:37	adric	No sarcasm. He works really really hard for the Mission, and the Organization keeps pulling the ship out from under him.
16:37	hhardy	adric I suggest bernie
16:38	adric	Can we just hand it to SL? f they want it they have it, given the events..
16:38	hhardy	we need an orderly transition
16:38	lfaraone	adric: give what?
16:38		adric: RT?
16:38	hhardy	we can't give rt to them I dont think
16:38		we can maybe give trac I think tho
16:38	adric	Not unti the non-public stuff is out of there?
16:39	lfaraone	adric: there still is a support-gang...
16:39	hhardy	dogi can you #IDEA trac to Sugar Labs? pls
16:39	adric	lfaraone: I know and I don't know where it fits .. not that it/we ever fit all that well.
16:39	lfaraone	hhardy: Lemme get this straight, I thought OLPC is still doing _development_
16:39	dogi	#IDEA trac to Sugar Labs
16:40	lfaraone	hhardy: albiet non-sugar devel, but they still need trac.
16:40	hhardy	lfaraone you have to ask ed about that
16:40		lfaraone: you have to ask ed about that
16:40	adric	I was going to nominate Ed, but he's been nice so far..
16:40	lfaraone	edmcnierney: I'm pretty sure you want trac still, right?
16:40	hhardy	I don't know what the current plans are going forward
16:40		edmcnierney: ping?
16:40	dogi	#topic
16:40	cjb	Hi.
16:41	dogi	#topic Migration to W91 and cleaning the Serverroom at 1cc
16:41	hhardy	wave cjb
16:41	cjb	SL are migrating Sugar bugs over to SL's Trac
16:41		they'll leave notes on the OLPC bugs saying what the new address for the bug is
16:41	dogi	http://kuku.laptop.org/1ccw91/
16:41	cjb	no change other than that, so nothing for VIG
16:41	hhardy	we still have need for olpc trac also?
16:41	cjb	yes
16:41	dogi	yes
16:41	hhardy	ok
16:41	lfaraone	That's what I thought...
16:43	hhardy	what about w91 etc?
16:43	dogi	http://kuku.laptop.org/1ccw91/1CC W91 027.JPG
16:43		first download.l.o
16:44		i don t have access there ...
16:44	hhardy	have to talk to cscott I think
16:44	cjb	I do
16:44		(got it yesterday)
16:44	dogi	a that XO (laptop) server needs to be moved ,,,
16:45		cjb: cool
16:45	cjb	which server would you like to move it to?
16:46	dogi	jabber.laptop.org is the next serverdesktop which has to be moved
16:46		cjb, download is not in a ideal place there on top of the rack ...
16:47		http://kuku.laptop.org/1ccw91/1CC W91 008.JPG
16:47		i want to move it to the tables ...
16:48	hhardy	the best place for download might be at w-91
16:48	lfaraone	Vis-a-vis teach, if it isn't used and is hosted at W91, would we be able to donate its services to SL?
16:48	dogi	in all now we have 12 desktop/laptop server which needs ur love
16:48	hhardy	teach is a desktop its not really suitable for w-91
16:48	cjb	dogi: right, but tell me what machine you want to serve as its replacement
16:48	lfaraone	hhardy: ah, not familiar with the center.
16:48	cjb	the reason we used an XO is that there weren't any spare servers
16:49		(oh, same machine, different place, okay)
16:49	hhardy	these pictures we are seeing are of the OLPC server room in 1cc
16:49	dogi	+1
16:49	adric	hhardy: Would it be really bad to aim RT at the VIG mailing list?
16:49	cjb	adric: yes
16:49	lfaraone	adric: I'd unsubscribe.
16:49		adric: in less than 30 seconds
16:49	dogi	me too
16:49	_bernie	urgh I was out for dinner
16:49	lfaraone	adric: or your money back
16:50		hey _bernie
16:50	hhardy	-2 adric
16:50	adric	I'm about to unsubscribe from .l.o over this myself . so I understand
16:50	cjl	wakes up and looks around. . .
16:50	adric	but I have this vi window opena nd I'me not closing it until I aim it something other than my primary mailbox (which gets enough mail, thanks)
16:50	dogi	adric, https://www.google.com/a/lapto[…]ault&ltmplcache=2
16:50	lfaraone	adric: point it at a filter
16:50	adric	seconds cjl's self-nomination
16:51	lfaraone	adric: or, as dogi said, to gmail. :)
16:51	dogi	we need only define a new email box there
16:51	adric	what is the gmail box from that mess?
16:51	lfaraone	adric: gmail.l.o
16:51	adric	oh. Lol
16:51	lfaraone	adric: anyemailyouwantgmail.l.o
16:52	adric	rt@ ? Can someone add that please?
16:52	dogi	lfaraone, no but nearly
16:52		yes
16:52	lfaraone	dogi: I smell an #ACTIONITEM
16:52	hhardy	don't call it rt
16:52		rt knows itself as that
16:52	lfaraone	hhardy: why not?
16:52	adric	rt-solar ?
16:52	hhardy	call it rt-admin or something
16:52	lfaraone	hhardy: rt-debug?
16:52	hhardy	yea
16:52	dogi	please not rtl.o
16:52	adric	solar-rt ?
16:52	dogi	bingo
16:54		so then to W91
16:54		http://kuku.laptop.org/1ccw91/1CC W91 041.JPG
16:55		i m upgrading awk.laptop.org to 16GB
16:55		so that that machine is kvm capable
16:55	hhardy	is a 64 bit system?
16:56	dogi	it is no an amd
16:56	adric	dogi: please, which address did you create for rt ?
16:56	dogi	but still
16:56		rt.mogidi.net
16:56	adric	lfaraone: Remind me to ask later how you made IRC do bold.
16:56	hhardy	[this week's minutes are now posted at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC[…]_Minutes_and_Logs ]
16:57	lfaraone	adric: sure.
16:57	hhardy	7 minutes to 5
16:57	adric	dogi: email address ?
16:57	cjl	adric: http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/faq/#colors covers tah tpretty well
16:58	dogi	#topic DNS
16:58	adric	cjl,lfaraone : hmm,k
16:59	dogi	hhardy: am I right that u are able to run a DNS server?
16:59	hhardy	that I know how?
16:59	adric	dogi: Please, did you create a mailbox, or should I aim this at you?
16:59	dogi	or 2 :P
16:59	hhardy	adric give him till after the meeting
17:00		trying to do too much during meeting leads to chaos
17:00	dogi	adric, yes ask me after the meeting
17:00	adric	Fine.
17:00	dogi	cause we dont have direct DNS access for now
17:00	lfaraone	hhardy: is awk in use?
17:01	hhardy	I know named very well, and gated, these days suggest using tinydns tho
17:01	dogi	and i want to ask if we are able do run DNS by ur self
17:01		what do we need for that ... DNS system?
17:01	hhardy	anyone with a routable address can act as source of authority for a domain
17:02		generally speaking
17:02	dogi	yes
17:02	cjb	dogi: what are you proposing be run?
17:03		(and where?)
17:03		confused
17:03	hhardy	right now medai.mit.edu is the source of authority for the laptop.org domain
17:03	dogi	cjb, for now my plan is to ask medialab if we can access their dns, but if that don t works
17:04	hhardy	and it is owned by mbletsas
17:04	dogi	i only wanted to know if we could/would do
17:04		dns by ur own systems
17:04	hhardy	we could host it but I am not volunteering to set it up or run it
17:04		I will advise
17:04	dogi	lol
17:05	_bernie	dogi: for the DNS, I'm very experienced. I can handle that.
17:05		dogi: I have a dozen of domains already
17:05	dogi	_bernie, thx
17:05	_bernie	with several slaves
17:05	lfaraone	_bernie: /me organizes a slave rebellion.
17:05	dogi	#topic kvm on thinker
17:05	cjl	5
17:07	hhardy	I'm Spartacus!
17:07	dogi	lol
17:08		today I started to install all kvm related packages on thinker
17:08	hhardy	actionitem Bernie to assist with DNS?
17:08	dogi	ups
17:08		#action Bernie to assist with DNS
17:09		i hope by tomorrow it is a kvm server ...
17:09		i will upgrade the docs on internalwiki
17:10		questions?
17:10		#topic update the to monitored systems in bigsister on thinker and in the VM on owl (W91)
17:11	hhardy	I would like to hand over maintaining bigsister to VIG also I will help whoever wants to take it to understand
17:12	dogi	hmm
17:12	hhardy	theres essentially only one configuration file you need to worry about unless you want to get fancy
17:13	cjb	dogi: cool. thinker's just doing big sister at the moment, and you want to offer kvm hosting on it?
17:13	dogi	bingo
17:13	_bernie	hhardy: I have exactly 0 experience with bigsister, but I was looking for something like that for sugarlabs
17:14	hhardy	didn't sl set up munin recently?
17:14	_bernie	hhardy: indeed, but it has a slightly different usecase
17:15		hhardy: munin has nice detailed graphs, but lacks a high level summary of all servers
17:15		and alarms
17:15	hhardy	sure if you want to assist with maintaining bs for olpc the configuration is easily transportable to another setup once you understand it
17:16	_bernie	if nobody else commits to take over bigsister, I'll give it a shot
17:16		hhardy: the "once you understand it" part scares me :-)
17:16	hhardy	dogi bernie would need root to maintain bs on thinker do you want to put it on a vm?
17:17		if you mess up you probably get all purples
17:17	_bernie	hhardy: lol
17:17	dogi	hhardy: yes and :P
17:18	hhardy	I dont know maybe secret stuff is going there lol
17:18	_bernie	the thing monitoring all VMs running in yet another VM is a bit funny, but ok
17:18	hhardy	bernie are you in italy now?
17:18	dogi	#topic link of the week: # http://www.ubuntu.com/products[…]tion/features/ec2
17:18	_bernie	hhardy: yep
17:19	dogi	#topic new business
17:19	_bernie	and looking for ways to come back to the US with a better visa next time
17:19	hhardy	my 50th birthday party tomorrow is my only new business 7-9 pm at charlies kitchen in harvard square
17:20	dogi	:P
17:20		i will be there
17:20	adric	congrads on your escape _bernie
17:20	cjb	oh, I had something
17:20		SL was hoping we could donate a server to them
17:20	hhardy	awesome see if wife wants to invite friends :)
17:21		that was to dogi not cjb lol
17:21	_bernie	adric: from the US? actually I was forced to leave by immigration law :-)
17:21	cjb	but Ed said he wanted a catalog of our servers first
17:21		and which ones are not in use
17:21	hhardy	dogi is there a box that would be possible to donate to sl?
17:22	cjb	dogi was working on that catalog, I think?
17:22		hhardy: we already know there's at least one spare box
17:22	dogi	jupp
17:22	hhardy	there's the invetory on google docs
17:22		that has most of the server room equipment
17:22	_bernie	dogi: did we find some more ram for it?
17:22	hhardy	incl serial numbers and the like
17:22	cjb	dogi: so, which machines are spare?
17:23	dogi	<dogi> http://kuku.laptop.org/1ccw91/1CC W91 041.JPG
17:23		<dogi> i m upgrading awk.laptop.org to 16GB
17:23	cjb	hhardy: yeah, the problem isn't that we don't think we have a spare, but that Ed wants to knoe about _every_ spare before accepting that we're going to donate one
17:23	dogi	but for that i need to flash the bios ...
17:23	cjb	so, we need a current catalog of exactly which machines are free.
17:23		dogi: do we have this now?
17:23	dogi	the ram
17:23		yes
17:24	cjb	no.
17:24		the catalog of which machines are free.
17:24	dogi	axo
17:24		no ... not finished ...
17:24	cjb	since the blocker is getting Ed's permission, not having more RAM
17:25		okay, fine. so for next time we should add to the agenda that we're still waiting on a list of machine status.
17:25	_bernie	thanks
17:25		a physical machine would be very appreciated.
17:25	hhardy	cjb: added to proposed agenda
17:25	cjb	thanks
17:25	dogi	#action catalog of which machines are free
17:26	cjb	_bernie: that's the plan, yeah
17:26	dogi	#endmeeting

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