| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 16:03 | hhardy | agenda follows: |
| 16:04 | * Status of teach.laptop.org | |
| 16:04 | * Identify owners for critical existing services | |
| 16:04 | o Status of RT ticket handling | |
| 16:04 | o Mission-critical EXISTING services requiring care | |
| 16:04 | o Migration to W91 | |
| 16:04 | * New business | |
| 16:04 | dogi | hi all |
| 16:04 | hhardy | lol I'm still here |
| 16:04 | either that was short enough or Dogi fixed the flooding parameters | |
| 16:04 | dogi | :) |
| 16:04 | edmcnierney | Maybe that's our incentive to keep the agenda short! |
| 16:04 | hhardy | #topic Status of teach.laptop.org |
| 16:04 | edmcnierney | (Actually, I did trim it down quite a bit) |
| 16:05 | OK, I know nothing about this topic - anyone? | |
| 16:05 | dogi | no that ticket is still open ,,, hhardy :P |
| 16:05 | hhardy | I can say some things |
| 16:05 | teach was a workstation operated by Michael Stone | |
| 16:06 | it was officially a personal workstaton but over time a number of orphan functions accreted onto it | |
| 16:06 | such as sftp sites for communicating with some of our partners and vendors | |
| 16:07 | checking wiki docs on it | |
| 16:08 | hmmm doc says it is a stub | |
| 16:08 | cjb | and also allowing volunteers without Fedora installs to perform package builds there |
| 16:08 | hhardy | doesn't descibe the users or uses |
| 16:08 | I can't be specific without logging into it but there weem to have been at least a dozen people with root on it last time I was there | |
| 16:09 | plus people from Brightstar and patriot and others with nonprivileged accts | |
| 16:09 | edmcnierney | lfaraone was asking over the weekend if it was OK to upgrade the system. I suggested it would be fine with appropriate notice to everyone, warnings, etc. |
| 16:09 | hhardy | the login banner warned that it was unsupptrted use at own risk etc |
| 16:09 | thats the high level summary | |
| 16:10 | cjb | edmcnierney: let m_stone know and go ahead if no complaints, I guess |
| 16:10 | (he was the previous admin for the machine) | |
| 16:10 | dogi | i did that already |
| 16:11 | edmcnierney | cjb: I think I suggested m_stone was a required notification-person, but the MOTD should announce it widely for a while to others. |
| 16:11 | dogi | Michael Stone |
| 16:11 | to Stefan | |
| 16:11 | ||
| 16:11 | show details 12:17 PM (3 hours ago) | |
| 16:11 | ||
| 16:11 | ||
| 16:11 | Reply | |
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| 16:11 | I believe Luke will do a fine job fixing things up. | |
| 16:11 | hhardy | lol the OLPC bandito |
| 16:11 | dogi | :P |
| 16:11 | edmcnierney | Whew - I'm glad we finally got the flood-test taken care of for this meeting |
| 16:13 | It sounds like we're OK on the upgrade Luke wants to do then, but I think dogi was also finding a better location for the machine, too. | |
| 16:13 | dogi | yes |
| 16:13 | hhardy | +1 manage it as a server |
| 16:13 | dogi | it can be that i have to reboot the machine |
| 16:14 | edmcnierney | We shouldn't have servers sitting out in the garden - there are too many orphan machines out there, and it will get unplugged or walk away (or both). |
| 16:14 | dogi: Are you going to shut it down, move it to the server closet, and start it up again? | |
| 16:14 | dogi | no ed this machine is already in the serverroom |
| 16:15 | but not on a good place | |
| 16:15 | edmcnierney | dogi: Too fast for me, then. Thanks. But in there is much better than outside. |
| 16:15 | hhardy | next item? |
| 16:15 | edmcnierney | Good |
| 16:16 | hhardy | #topic Identify owners for critical existing services |
| 16:16 | 1st subitem is: Status of RT ticket handling | |
| 16:17 | I have given over all but one ticket to Nobody | |
| 16:17 | I need he help Seth get into the google laptop.;org acct | |
| 16:17 | I got into it once for Sharon but not sure if I remember the password | |
| 16:17 | there is a procedure to recover it if need be | |
| 16:18 | edmcnierney | Thanks - so (while I realize there's a lot to be done) does this seem to be in good shape? That is, anything we (VIG) need to do? |
| 16:18 | hhardy | Make sure all vig members can see the sysamdin queue |
| 16:19 | let them volunteer themselves for tickets and ed and dogi decide if its appropriate | |
| 16:19 | dogi | adding the server/services to bigsister? |
| 16:19 | hhardy | thats a suggestion |
| 16:19 | edmcnierney | Sorry, which server - rt? |
| 16:19 | hhardy | things like setting up git repositories and mailing lists could well be delegated |
| 16:19 | to VIG | |
| 16:20 | edmcnierney | On the rt topic, I am now getting the emails from "logcheck system account" on rt, notifying me of "rt.laptop.org 2009-01-20 16:02 Security Events", etc. |
| 16:21 | hhardy | thats on the rt server on solar |
| 16:21 | I changed me to you | |
| 16:21 | me or adric can change that if you care to nominate a new owner | |
| 16:21 | edmcnierney | These appear to be extremely verbose but mainly benign, so it's not obvious to me how to scan them to find something nasty. Would it be wise to change me to someone else who's more adept at interpreting them? |
| 16:21 | hhardy | probably |
| 16:21 | nominate Adric | |
| 16:22 | edmcnierney | adric seems to be absent, so that sounds like a good nomination |
| 16:22 | hhardy | lol |
| 16:22 | dogi | :P |
| 16:22 | edmcnierney | hhardy: Can you switch the owner to adric yourself? |
| 16:23 | hhardy | yes we were going to have me keep root there anyway to halp with rt |
| 16:23 | edmcnierney | That would be good, then. He can't possibly do less with those messages than I do, so it will probably be an improvement. |
| 16:23 | hhardy | *help lol |
| 16:24 | edmcnierney | Great - move on to next item? |
| 16:24 | hhardy | #topic Mission-critical EXISTING services requiring care |
| 16:25 | teamwiki? | |
| 16:25 | edmcnierney | This is just a placeholder to see if there's anything that's being critically overlooked. |
| 16:25 | teamwiki's a good thought. I need to check with wad on that (he just left the office, so I'll do it tomorrow) and I can come up with a plan for it (will check with smithbone, too) | |
| 16:26 | CanoeBerry | cjb was looking into bringing teamwiki back online. |
| 16:26 | would be lovely! | |
| 16:28 | hhardy | restarting exim4 on rt |
| 16:28 | edmcnierney | That sounds even better - it seems like it was mainly an issue of coming up with arbitrarily different URLs to avoid googlization |
| 16:28 | cjl | getting teamwiki would be nice, I was working on an RT guide for SG'ers there |
| 16:28 | hhardy | adric is now happy receiver of voluminous mysterious log emails |
| 16:29 | edmcnierney | hhardy: Thanks |
| 16:29 | hhardy | +1 rt guide |
| 16:29 | edmcnierney | hhardy: Does someone in VIG understand the issues about exim4 and what to do about it? |
| 16:29 | hhardy | exim4 is the Mail Transport Agent on the rt vserver |
| 16:30 | its a debian which is unusual for us | |
| 16:30 | I restart it whenever I change the rt settings because its so closely tied to rt | |
| 16:30 | probably doeesn't have to be done | |
| 16:31 | edmcnierney | Oh, I see - thanks. |
| 16:31 | hhardy | just an excessof caution |
| 16:31 | edmcnierney | If there's nothing else urgent, let's move on to the W91 equipment move. |
| 16:31 | hhardy | restarted from init so: /etc/init.d/exim4 restart |
| 16:32 | #topic W91 equipment move | |
| 16:32 | edmcnierney | dogi, can you report on the status at W91? dogi went for the tour on Friday (I had to stay home for an NN meeting) |
| 16:33 | dogi | yes |
| 16:33 | i was on that tour ... | |
| 16:34 | edmcnierney | Sorry - my machine has lost its mind - brb. |
| 16:34 | dogi | and after that i set owl on rails |
| 16:34 | hhardy | edmcnierney: a likely story ;) |
| 16:35 | dogi | and i set up an Sugar/XO with wifi back entrence to W91 |
| 16:35 | hhardy | are you certain this might not create a routing loop? |
| 16:36 | cjl | W91 is a closet at 1CC or MIT hosting? |
| 16:36 | hhardy | cjl: the latter |
| 16:36 | cjl | k |
| 16:36 | dogi | so now if W91 line to medialab is down i can try remotly to find/fix the problem |
| 16:36 | sorry | |
| 16:37 | W91 is one of many Mit hosting buildings | |
| 16:37 | hhardy | yes what did they have to say at tour? |
| 16:37 | dogi | too many things |
| 16:38 | cjl | Highlights? |
| 16:38 | dogi | but it was more a showing what we are able to do tuor |
| 16:38 | hhardy | is there any change as far as w91? |
| 16:38 | dogi | no not for now ... |
| 16:39 | hhardy | ok good |
| 16:39 | so what is the migration plan for w91 which machines are going? | |
| 16:39 | cjl | How many machines does OLPC have at W91 now? |
| 16:39 | dogi | first awk |
| 16:39 | hhardy | that is a 1u ibm box with 2 gb ram |
| 16:40 | dogi | that is to change to 8gb |
| 16:40 | edmcnierney | Hmm. Sorry - I'm back, but seem to have lost my backlog - carry on. |
| 16:40 | dogi | and the ilo is still not working |
| 16:41 | hhardy | #LINK http://meeting.laptop.org/olpc[…]0090120_1603.html |
| 16:41 | edmcnierney | Oh, right - thanks. |
| 16:41 | dogi | has somebody experience with ibm redbook stuff? |
| 16:42 | the next machine is weka | |
| 16:42 | but bevor moving weka we have to move the proxy | |
| 16:43 | cjb | do we have control of the laptop.org DNS yet? |
| 16:43 | edmcnierney | cjb: I asked mbletsas about that and he replied that MIT manages it and he only relays requests on to the network team there. |
| 16:44 | cjl | edmcnierney: what about all the doamins for which mbletsas is listed as admin contact in a whois? |
| 16:44 | edmcnierney | This seemed very slightly implausible, but it was clear that that was the answer I was going to get that day. I need to do more investigation. |
| 16:45 | hhardy | [meeting minutes are posted now] |
| 16:45 | edmcnierney | cjb: Yes, those are all on my to-do list. We have quite a number of odd domains floating about with only one person listed as both technical and admin contacts |
| 16:45 | cjl | Hate to see one come up for renewal and get squatted |
| 16:45 | edmcnierney | I will follow up with mbletsas if I need to get more info after I complete the list of contacts that need updating. I don't think that's a problem. |
| 16:45 | cjl | speaking with British accent, many people make that mistake |
| 16:46 | cjb | cjl: hm? |
| 16:46 | hhardy | especially cjb :) |
| 16:46 | edmcnierney | I did a quick renewal check - something's due in March, I think, so it's not critical but needs to be handled promptly. |
| 16:46 | hhardy | not sure its a mistake tho |
| 16:46 | cjb | hhardy: One would certainly hope not ;-) |
| 16:47 | hhardy | cjb: Surely not sir! |
| 16:47 | cjb | yeah, laptop.org expires in two months |
| 16:47 | edmcnierney | That would be it, then. |
| 16:47 | cjl | then there is laptopfoundation, etc. etc. etc. |
| 16:47 | edmcnierney | Presuming, of course, you mean the domain registration for laptop.org expires in two months, and not something more sinister. |
| 16:47 | dogi | xogiving |
| 16:48 | cjb | :) |
| 16:48 | cjl | I had hunted a bunch down at one point when I was doing my investigation of who you shady characters were. . . |
| 16:48 | hhardy | beware the Ides of March |
| 16:49 | edmcnierney | So I own the DNS cleanup tasks. I'll report back if I need help. |
| 16:49 | cjl | edmcnierney: If I find my notes, I'll send them to you. |
| 16:49 | edmcnierney | cjl: Thanks. |
| 16:50 | hhardy | any new business? |
| 16:50 | edmcnierney | None from me! |
| 16:50 | cjl | some continuing points I'd like to touch on |
| 16:50 | hhardy | #topic New Business |
| 16:51 | cjl | Pootle. Bernie has unfortunately fled the country ahead of the INS agents. |
| 16:51 | hhardy | it would be more unfortunate if he were not ahead of them... |
| 16:52 | edmcnierney | I did speak to Bernie about what we could/should do to support Pootle and other sl infrastructure. |
| 16:52 | cjl | I'm not sure how in touch he will be, but there is not a solid future (final) home for Pootle at SL. Dogi has kindly built a little sandbox, whcih will have it's uses, but not be a fianl resting place. |
| 16:52 | dogi | dogi pts/1 kuku.laptop.org Tue Jan 20 16:49 still logged in |
| 16:52 | bernie pts/1 217.133.10.139 Tue Jan 20 01:26 - 01:48 (00:21) | |
| 16:52 | sayamind pts/1 122.173.177.20 Sun Jan 18 06:19 - 13:23 (1+07:04) | |
| 16:52 | cjl pts/1 ool-45735eb0.dyn Sat Jan 17 22:56 - 23:41 (00:44) | |
| 16:53 | that is "last" on pootle VM | |
| 16:53 | cjb | perhaps OLPC can help SL find a machine to host the migrated Pootle on |
| 16:53 | hhardy | awk? |
| 16:53 | cjb | which pootle VM? |
| 16:53 | oh, the new sandbox thing | |
| 16:53 | dogi | bingo |
| 16:53 | edmcnierney | I've asked dogi to start the work to (a) move all public-facing services to W91 and (b) help normalize what runs on what machines there. All of that is in support of finding a machine to host the Pootle services for SL |
| 16:53 | cjb | VM's aren't very good for pootle, it uses as much CPU as it can get |
| 16:54 | cjl | cjb I think SL would be interested in such a possibility |
| 16:54 | hhardy | cjb: +1 its a hog |
| 16:54 | cjl | and RAM |
| 16:54 | edmcnierney | I pushed back on Bernie a bit, as he was quite eager to get a server set up. I would very much like to do that, but I want to understand (a) all our services and (b) all our servers so we can make a global allocation decision rather than one at a time. |
| 16:54 | cjb | so I wouldn't put it on a machine that hosts VMs without serious cpu and memory limits |
| 16:54 | cjl | Ther are some anticipated improvements in the 1.3 Django rebase expected soon, but it's not oput yet. |
| 16:55 | hhardy | it uses at least up to 1.7 gb of ram |
| 16:55 | cjl | edmcnierney: That is an understandable point of view |
| 16:55 | edmcnierney | I'm sure we can help - we've got an awful lot of hardware - we just need to get a comprehensive plan together. I don't think that's incredibly hard; it's just a bit of work. |
| 16:56 | cjl | and quite reasonable in the face of a continued willingness to host the existing Pootle instance until everything shakes out. |
| 16:56 | dogi | i had to restart pootle on crank twice last 10 days |
| 16:56 | hhardy | #topic Pootle |
| 16:57 | cjl | I beleive the urgency that is felt about a Pootle migration is everyone on all sides acknowledging it's importance. |
| 16:58 | hhardy | 5 minutes to 5 |
| 16:58 | edmcnierney | Oh, thanks - I do need to leave at 5 to catch the train. |
| 16:59 | hhardy | is there an action item regarding Pootle? |
| 16:59 | cjb | cjl: I don't think I understand why it would be urgent |
| 16:59 | for one thing, it's not appropriate for the migration to be needed "urgently" while SL does not have a machine to put it on. That doesn't make any sense. | |
| 16:59 | cjl | edmcnierney: I believe that some messign around on the sandbox VM tha dogi has provided will be productive and that as long as Pootle has a home at OLPC until a proper fostering can be arranged, then I think that will be great. |
| 17:00 | edmcnierney | cjl: Yup, I think that's the plan. |
| 17:00 | cjb | agreed |
| 17:00 | dogi | +1 |
| 17:00 | hhardy | +1 |
| 17:00 | cjl | cjb I belevie with hte layoffs at OLCP, the loss of contractors and admins, there was room for some concern about the infrastructure. Those fears can be somewhat allayed. |
| 17:01 | hhardy | better safe than sorry tho |
| 17:01 | cjl | Best done wit hcelar discussion amongst all stakeholders and in a carefully planned manner. |
| 17:01 | cjb | sure. we don't want to run that infrastructure anymore, so it's in everyone's interest to hand it off to someone like SL |
| 17:02 | let's wait until they're ready to take it, though :) | |
| 17:02 | edmcnierney | cjl: Actually, although we're certainly short-staffed, it's even MORE important for us to maintain infrastructure so a broader OLPC-friendly community can take advantage of it. |
| 17:02 | hhardy | cjl: is that a euphemism for "blind panic"? :p |
| 17:02 | edmcnierney | That means keeping servers/bandwidth/etc. available so folks can do their own things on them. |
| 17:02 | cjl | cjb, I think some urgency (on bernie's part) may have to do with his leaving the country and wanting things squared away. |
| 17:02 | cjb | oh. sure. |
| 17:02 | I wonder how SL sysadminning will happen with Bernie out of the country | |
| 17:03 | maybe I should volunteer for some of the physical access stuff or something. | |
| 17:03 | edmcnierney | cjl: Yes, and that's what I resisted a bit, as we really weren't quite ready to do that. Bernie needs to learn to schedule his travel around layoffs better. |
| 17:03 | cjl | cjb: he has identified back ups for various functions, but I'm sure his presence will be missed |
| 17:03 | hhardy | #LINK http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/systems |
| 17:04 | edmcnierney | I need to take off, folks - I'll read the log tonight, so send any tasks my way if needed. Thanks. |
| 17:04 | cjl | cjb: I think additional hands to contribute to tha work would be welcome. |
| 17:04 | evening ed | |
| 17:04 | hhardy | now is the time go give ed work! bwahaha |
| 17:04 | L) | |
| 17:05 | anything further? | |
| 17:05 | cjl | nope |
| 17:05 | Oh, did the SSH ticket get closed for adric? | |
| 17:05 | hhardy | #endmeeting |