Time |
Nick |
Message |
16:00 |
adric |
yikes. EZ-Cheez |
16:00 |
hhardy |
yeah we lived on that and Tang and Space Food Sticks |
16:00 |
|
so we could go to Mars |
16:00 |
|
ok to the business at hand |
16:00 |
|
#TOPIC |
16:01 |
adric |
yep. Tang barcodes got me a map of the Solar System. |
16:01 |
hhardy |
#AGENDA |
16:01 |
|
* new business? |
16:01 |
|
* how to distribute fedora spin (750 MB download) |
16:01 |
|
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC |
16:01 |
|
* owl and swan migration |
16:01 |
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* database backups, and high availability options for db |
16:01 |
|
* hhardy: ask noah status of trac |
16:01 |
|
* dogi: to document meeting bot on wiki |
16:01 |
|
* dogi: present olpcbox "User VIG" |
16:01 |
|
* adric: rt status and issues |
16:01 |
mchua |
thought we solved the flooding problem last week |
16:02 |
adric |
Looks solved, booted him right out. :) |
16:02 |
hhardy |
argh bot kicked me for flooding |
16:02 |
|
lol |
16:02 |
dogi |
hi |
16:02 |
|
ups |
16:02 |
hhardy |
bad bot |
16:02 |
dogi |
#agreed bad bot |
16:02 |
hhardy |
I was a pirate for Halloween and I got so much fun from saying argh I seem to keep saying it |
16:03 |
|
arghhh! |
16:03 |
adric |
Yarr. |
16:03 |
cjl |
no botsnacks for meeting |
16:03 |
hhardy |
so there is now a fedora OLPC spin |
16:03 |
|
Jim gettys wants us to distribute it |
16:03 |
|
I suggested using torrent and he agrees in principle |
16:04 |
edmcnierney |
do we know why we need to do this? |
16:04 |
hhardy |
is this a project which a VIG person or people want to step up for? |
16:04 |
dogi |
* mchua and dogi: internalwiki |
16:04 |
|
* mchua: gforge |
16:04 |
hhardy |
edmcnierney: yes |
16:05 |
dogi |
this was mssing |
16:05 |
hhardy |
ok dogi noted |
16:05 |
edmcnierney |
ok - why? I can download F10 torrents already. |
16:05 |
hhardy |
lfaraone had a nice proposal written up about using torrent |
16:06 |
adric |
hom much infrastructure does this require ? |
16:06 |
hhardy |
ed, you have to ask jg why he's particularly concerned about us needing to host it |
16:06 |
|
he said he got a spin from Fedora in August and the download was very slow |
16:06 |
|
bandwidth |
16:06 |
|
< 1 gb of file space is not a problem |
16:06 |
edmcnierney |
Yes, my download was slow, too. So? |
16:07 |
hhardy |
I'm a bit concerned about agravating MIT by sucking huge amounts of bandwidth |
16:07 |
adric |
Okay so put up a tracker and maybe a coupel seeds, and don't offer FTP? I dont see this as being complicated? |
16:07 |
cjl |
hhardy: wouldn't torrent minimize your bandwidth load? |
16:07 |
hhardy |
JG and SJ feel strongly about our needing to establish an infrastructure capable of hosting large and high volume collections of media |
16:08 |
|
cjl: that is the idea |
16:08 |
adric |
Okay. Have them get sponsors :) Or cash, that's good too. |
16:08 |
|
Speaking as a SA at a high bandwidth host .. bandwidth is money and disk is cheap but not free. |
16:08 |
hhardy |
adric: that's the general idea yes |
16:09 |
|
edmcnierney: I invited jg to this meeting but he is otherwise engaged |
16:10 |
|
ok right now I don't hear anyone wanting to own facilitate fedora spin downloads |
16:10 |
|
should we take this as a VIG action item? |
16:10 |
kimquirk |
not me |
16:10 |
cjl |
try talking to lfaraone about it, he might be keen. |
16:10 |
hhardy |
I think we will take the proposal of seeding torrents and pass it back to jg then |
16:11 |
edmcnierney |
ok - I'm not sure we need this. It sounds like a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to a problem we don' t really need to solve ourselves. |
16:11 |
hhardy |
yes |
16:11 |
kimquirk |
agreed |
16:11 |
adric |
agree |
16:11 |
hhardy |
+1 |
16:11 |
edmcnierney |
We should realize that F10 will ship in a few weeks and there will be a BIG spike in interest. |
16:11 |
mchua |
+1 |
16:11 |
edmcnierney |
BTW, has anyone had a FAST torrent download at 1CC? |
16:12 |
hhardy |
seems pretty fast |
16:12 |
dogi |
jupp |
16:12 |
cjl |
doesn't seem to solve and immediate problem, question is whether hosting (say for content collections) is on the horizon so this provides a low-risk entry point. |
16:12 |
edmcnierney |
I found that downloading the ISO image from a mirror was much faster, and wondered if there wasn't something unique to the torrent arrangement. Why should Fedora torrents be slow? |
16:12 |
adric |
cjl: |
16:12 |
hhardy |
if MIT is bandwidth-limiting ptp sessions perhaps |
16:13 |
adric |
feh. cjl: I'm not sure a one-spin sol'n would scale usefully to "content collections" |
16:13 |
hhardy |
many schools take this approach |
16:13 |
dogi |
ptp = peer to peer? |
16:13 |
hhardy |
dogi: yes |
16:13 |
cjl |
adric not about full-scale, about getting feet wet with tools and process fo seeding, etc. |
16:13 |
edmcnierney |
OK, I agree with bouncing it back to jg. Maybe I'll just restart bittorrent-curses on my laptop and it will solve his problem :) |
16:13 |
hhardy |
+1 ed |
16:14 |
adric |
cjl: Hmm,i see your point. |
16:14 |
cjl |
little late this year, geese gone already. |
16:14 |
hhardy |
lol |
16:15 |
dogi |
:)\ |
16:15 |
hhardy |
the basic point is, this is going slowly, is close to done and need to buckle down and get both mirrors up, then have a week or two of testing to see what if anything bloke |
16:15 |
|
*broke |
16:16 |
adric |
related: when do we expect g1g1 2008 machines to be delivered ? |
16:16 |
hhardy |
if someone wants to kibbitz I'll set a time to chat on irc |
16:16 |
|
I don't know |
16:16 |
edmcnierney |
adric: I'll defer to kimquirk, but we should expect them to be arriving immediately after the Nov. 17 onsale date. |
16:17 |
cjl |
hhardy: what can be done to get you some protected time to focus on that work (e..g poing of VIG). |
16:17 |
edmcnierney |
I would not be surprised to find machines being turned on on Nov. 18. |
16:17 |
kimquirk |
agreed, the laptops will stop shipping out of amazon warehouses on Nov 17th |
16:17 |
adric |
Oooh, okay so 18 nov then. thanks |
16:17 |
edmcnierney |
kimquirk: s/stop/start/ |
16:17 |
hhardy |
adric not for public repeating please |
16:18 |
adric |
course not :) for infrastructure planning |
16:18 |
hhardy |
thx |
16:18 |
|
now that dogi is on staff I have the opportunity to have him handle the front line tech support while I lock myself in machine room |
16:19 |
cjl |
hhardy: That's good. |
16:19 |
adric |
ooh, grads Dogi |
16:19 |
hhardy |
I did a triage of the sysadmin tickets |
16:19 |
dogi |
:) |
16:19 |
hhardy |
grats Dogi! |
16:19 |
|
cheers |
16:19 |
dogi |
thx |
16:20 |
hhardy |
one big item is provisioning git repositories |
16:20 |
|
it would be good if that could happen right away as people get all fired up and lose momentum if they have to wait a few weeks to get going |
16:21 |
|
provisioning git repositories could possibly be a VIG task |
16:21 |
|
the scripts could be run via sudo so the exposure would be limited |
16:21 |
|
that would take a thing from the plate of Dogi and me except to say, "approved" |
16:22 |
|
we could even think about modifying the scripts so they could be run by the user |
16:22 |
|
but having VIG take that task is something we could discuss |
16:23 |
|
tomorrow I will probably sleep in but I think I will tackle owl/swan on Thurs and Fri afternoon from 1-5 edt if anyone wants to join in |
16:23 |
|
email me or get me on this chan if so |
16:23 |
cjl |
how many people currently have priv-level to do this git provisioning? How many people fall inside umbrella of being trusted enough to do this? |
16:24 |
hhardy |
if we make the scripts sudo-only then I think those I have ethics statements from could do it |
16:25 |
|
the worst risk is they do it wrongly and it has to be fixed |
16:26 |
adric |
is there much more to making git repo than svn or cvs? *ignorant* |
16:26 |
hhardy |
I'm not presenting this as an aciton item but it is my response of what could we do to free up some time |
16:26 |
|
since we have scripts to do it it is easy |
16:26 |
|
with some improvements it could be totally automated |
16:26 |
cjl |
hhardy: understood. I keep raising the point about freeing up your time as counter-programming to "let's do more things" :-) |
16:26 |
hhardy |
cjl: thanks |
16:27 |
|
we do tend to go off on the blue sky a lot |
16:27 |
adric |
if that is what's eating your time, then yes, let's automate and diffuse it |
16:27 |
hhardy |
the biggest time eater is front line tech support and I can't really push that off |
16:27 |
|
this is the next biggest thing after that and purchasing probably |
16:27 |
cjl |
Ther are more things we should do, but we can only do some of them if we free up your time. |
16:28 |
hhardy |
yes |
16:28 |
|
adric: the ticket triage fell out into some usable categories we can use in rt I think |
16:28 |
adric |
ah, yay ") |
16:29 |
hhardy |
let me add you all to the doc |
16:29 |
cjl |
hhardy: I'll take a pass at your front-line tech support. Can we get a tape loop of me saying "Reboot your machine, it's the sunspot sycle". |
16:30 |
hhardy |
http://spreadsheets.google.com[…]aF0wLI48KHA&hl=en |
16:30 |
adric |
Wire up the excuse deck to the RT autoresponder ? |
16:30 |
hhardy |
cjl: lol |
16:30 |
adric |
hhardy: "adricnet gmail.com, but that email address doesn't have permissio" |
16:32 |
cjl |
hhardy: adric I'm taking a first pass at content/vol/help cats. |
16:32 |
hhardy |
adric: added that addr now |
16:33 |
|
kimquirk made a good point |
16:33 |
|
it would be good, once the mirrors are set up, if the database mirrors could be updated in realtime |
16:33 |
adric |
cjl, mchua: Any word on that from SG? I'll ask in my section of the agenda |
16:34 |
hhardy |
so there would not be a day of lost data if we fell over to the mirror |
16:34 |
adric |
DB mirrors? are what platform? Not replicated? |
16:34 |
hhardy |
mysql or postgres, ubuntu, no |
16:34 |
mchua |
adric: no, I think hhardy passed it on to holt as an SG thing, haven't heard back since |
16:34 |
|
adric: (re: categories) |
16:35 |
cjl |
hhardy: having real-time mirroring (and if you get fancy fail-over) is a real warm fuzzy feeling. |
16:35 |
hhardy |
holt will log in and say something about categories |
16:36 |
|
cjl you have done this in mysql/postgres? |
16:36 |
cjl |
I run my critical database systems on an Oracle Failsafe cluster |
16:36 |
kimquirk |
...sorry... distracted... |
16:36 |
cjl |
Sorry, commercial stuff here mostly. |
16:36 |
hhardy |
we need something like that for our db |
16:36 |
|
cjl: care to take a look for solutions that make sense for olpc to do similar? |
16:36 |
adric |
mysql replication is pretty good (and free) |
16:36 |
cjl |
hhardy: I remember pointing to some sort of failover utils for linux once. |
16:37 |
adric |
they also have (mysql) clustering and HA stuffs |
16:37 |
hhardy |
adric: want to start a section on the VIG page to discuss high availability for the db's? |
16:37 |
lfaraone |
(sorry guys, but I'm not avalible, so anything bittorrent etc should be tabled to next week) |
16:37 |
|
*avalible atm , as you've figured :P |
16:37 |
hhardy |
lfaraone: there was discussion of seeding torrents for the OLPC Fedora spin |
16:38 |
adric |
hhardy: Okay, sure ACTION: start outling database availabilty solutions on wiki |
16:38 |
hhardy |
excellent |
16:38 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: ok, what was the resolution? |
16:38 |
cjl |
hhardy: I know some guys who are heavy into postgres for commercial systems. I'm on their scientific advisory board, I'll ask for ideas. |
16:39 |
hhardy |
ACTION ITEM: cjl will ask about postgres HA |
16:39 |
cjl |
We've got an SAB meeting coming up, Roatan :-) |
16:39 |
hhardy |
lfaraone the resolution was it is a good idea but nobody stepped up to volunteer to do it |
16:39 |
edmcnierney |
I've used both PostgreSQL and MySQL in mirrored configs - takes some attention but nothing too fancy. I'd think it's part of the investment we need to make in understanding how to manage the DB systems we use. |
16:39 |
hhardy |
+1 edmcnierney |
16:39 |
cjl |
Whcih d oyou guys use more postgres or mysql? |
16:39 |
edmcnierney |
Do we currently use both? And if so, do we need to? |
16:40 |
hhardy |
mysql |
16:40 |
adric |
edmcnierney: Aye. I'm up on the mysql side of that from work, clueless on how PG does it |
16:40 |
hhardy |
mostly mysql |
16:40 |
lfaraone |
hhardy: ah, well, I might be able to get to it nextweek. |
16:40 |
cjl |
What is on postgres and can you lose it entirely? |
16:40 |
adric |
mysql replication is one way, master slave, slave pulls .. can do two to get mirroring |
16:40 |
hhardy |
ACTION ITEM: hh prepare a list of db and where they live, and dependencies |
16:40 |
edmcnierney |
Perhaps there's a way to remove the "mostly"? I think both are find apps, but there's a lot of value in reducing 2 to 1 - either one is fine. |
16:41 |
cjl |
edmcnierney: +1 |
16:41 |
edmcnierney |
s/find/fine/ |
16:41 |
hhardy |
agree |
16:41 |
cjl |
yes, db's are find apps. |
16:41 |
edmcnierney |
true, true |
16:41 |
cjl |
when they work |
16:41 |
edmcnierney |
Or perhaps select apps? |
16:42 |
hhardy |
#agenda rt ticket categories |
16:42 |
cjl |
hhardy: fyi http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]ysql-cluster.html |
16:42 |
edmcnierney |
adric: Can you handle setting up MySQL mirroring? Do we know who knows how PostgresSQL is used? |
16:42 |
|
I'd be happy to consult on PostgreSQL-MySQL migration help - I've gone both ways. |
16:43 |
hhardy |
postgres is used on dev for trac |
16:44 |
|
and that leads nicely to next topic |
16:44 |
|
noah says he doesnt have a great need for additional trac admins |
16:44 |
cjl |
apparently trac can live on mysql http://www.docunext.com/blog/2[…]/trac-with-mysql/ |
16:44 |
adric |
mysql of sqlite3, for trac these days, yeah |
16:45 |
hhardy |
the last time I needed someting changed on the back end he had it done in < 30 min so he is lurking.... somewhere |
16:46 |
|
its not a terrible idea for someone to become the trac "understudy" (see Adam I didn't say minion) :) |
16:46 |
adric |
Ooh. Do understudy\ies get better money than minions? |
16:46 |
hhardy |
so if you are interested to help with trac, pls email noah l.o and cc me |
16:47 |
|
lol |
16:47 |
|
dogi: ping |
16:48 |
cjl |
adric: both pay better than henchman (which doesn't come with much life insurance coverage for obvious reasons). |
16:48 |
dogi |
#topic olpcbox VIG |
16:48 |
hhardy |
#topic olpcbox VIG |
16:48 |
cjl |
What exactly does that mean? |
16:49 |
dogi |
yesterday over night i had a little idea |
16:49 |
adric |
userbxes are .. widgets on User:username pages on wiki |
16:49 |
dogi |
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Dogi |
16:49 |
cjl |
k |
16:49 |
hhardy |
he dogi, is that enough boxes? lol |
16:49 |
dogi |
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Template:User_VIG |
16:49 |
adric |
I faked on for SG for mine, User:Adricnet |
16:50 |
dogi |
maybe someboby improves my VIG pirate flag |
16:50 |
|
so next point |
16:50 |
cjl |
kinda dark isn't it . . seems sinister. |
16:51 |
adric |
I'm not against the Jolly Roger for VIG... |
16:51 |
dogi |
lol |
16:51 |
|
:) |
16:51 |
hhardy |
http://bp1.blogger.com/_BcYhpp[…]_05-olpc_flag.jpg |
16:52 |
dogi |
but you know it s a wiki ... :) |
16:52 |
|
for me it would be nice cause automatic Categorie adding |
16:53 |
hhardy |
http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/halloween/DSCN1251.JPG |
16:53 |
dogi |
hhardy: nice |
16:53 |
adric |
hhardy: Is that you< then ? Cheers! |
16:53 |
hhardy |
yep |
16:53 |
cjl |
well YO ho ho is close to XO ho ho |
16:54 |
adric |
Rapier? Foil? Epee .. I should be able to tell, alas.. |
16:55 |
hhardy |
saber |
16:55 |
|
#topic meetbot docs |
16:55 |
cjl |
should be cutlass. . .tsk. |
16:56 |
hhardy |
we all work with what we have :) |
16:56 |
dogi |
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Dogi/meeting |
16:56 |
hhardy |
I'm also holding it sideways |
16:56 |
|
so as not to point at people |
16:57 |
edmcnierney |
edmcnierney is losing sight of the agenda here |
16:57 |
hhardy |
excellent docs |
16:57 |
|
does it write to the wiki yet? |
16:57 |
dogi |
no #vote for now i have to fix the problem |
16:57 |
|
no :) |
16:57 |
hhardy |
#topic rt status |
16:58 |
|
adric, state of the rt? |
16:58 |
|
edmcnierney probably wants to not have this mtng runneth over |
16:58 |
adric |
Sure, It's up and full of spam.. er, stars |
16:58 |
edmcnierney |
something like that :) |
16:58 |
adric |
mchua, cjl: Want to chime in further on categories? |
16:58 |
hhardy |
heh still dont understand that movie |
16:59 |
|
canoeberry: ping |
16:59 |
adric |
Book makes slightly more sense .. The author had to explain it in person quite a lot, even to cabbies. |
16:59 |
|
Any word from vendors or jguy on spam solutions? |
16:59 |
cjl |
I'm going to take a swing at vol/content/help cats. Throw it at the wall and see what sticks. |
17:00 |
hhardy |
the gist of cb's statement to me was the Sunday meeting of support gang was cancelled |
17:00 |
adric |
cjl: Great. You knnow how to get at the current list that's in use? |
17:00 |
cjl |
By wall I mean will send ot sg list and cc kimquirk |
17:00 |
hhardy |
so it hasn't been hashed out as far as help categories |
17:00 |
adric |
hhardy: Cancelled, okay. |
17:00 |
cjl |
adric: I just copied off RT, will send to you for confirmation. |
17:00 |
adric |
kimquirk: Any word from mgmt on Categories? |
17:01 |
|
cjl: Best link I hve is http://rt.laptop.org/Admin/Cus[…]/Modify.html?id=2 Please don't change :) |
17:01 |
mchua |
adric: nothing on categories from me, but I'll implement them in the deployment tech support queue when they're up |
17:01 |
adric |
mchua: Roger :) |
17:01 |
hhardy |
adric pls look at the categories in my ticket triage spreadsheet, see if that is a good starting point for sysadmin queue cats |
17:01 |
adric |
hhardy: Right, will do. |
17:02 |
cjl |
adric: I am going to try to address multiple stakeholder interests in my proposal, I'm actually sort of good at that and from having resolved 200+ and rejected 2500+ tix, I've got a sense of what is in there. |
17:02 |
hhardy |
ACTION ITEM: adric to review hhardy's ticket traige spreadsheet for categorys for sysadmin rt queue |
17:02 |
adric |
cji: Please do :) Gannbatte! |
17:02 |
hhardy |
guys I'm going to push through so ed can go home we can revisit this in the aftermeeting |
17:03 |
|
#topic mchua and dogi: internalwiki |
17:05 |
is4 |
hhardy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moa |
17:05 |
cjl |
mchua dogi ? |
17:05 |
hhardy |
hows the progress on the wiki upgrade? |
17:05 |
mchua |
well, I filed a ticket as hhardy and kimquirk suggested last week |
17:06 |
|
and it sounds like dogi took that ticket - dogi ? |
17:06 |
hhardy |
frances is showing me a picture of a maori hunting a moa |
17:06 |
dogi |
jupp |
17:06 |
hhardy |
I have no idea why |
17:06 |
dogi |
so for me the only question is have i to do that or VIG |
17:06 |
hhardy |
status of upgrade, eta on completing? |
17:07 |
|
you have to do it cause it needs root |
17:07 |
|
or I do it or mchua does |
17:07 |
mchua |
and access to NDA'd internalwiki data |
17:07 |
cjl |
can't really be handled by VIG |
17:07 |
dogi |
ok |
17:07 |
|
somebody to assist me? |
17:07 |
|
:) |
17:08 |
hhardy |
sj, seth, mchua or francesca are the most familiar |
17:08 |
mchua |
dogi, I can point you towards all the upgrading mediawiki howtos you need, and be on standby on IRC when you do the upgrade |
17:08 |
hhardy |
except francesca isnt an employee |
17:08 |
mchua |
and test it afterwards |
17:08 |
|
dogi: is there any other kind of help that you would need? |
17:08 |
dogi |
thx thats fine :) |
17:09 |
hhardy |
make sure to do full backup 1st |
17:09 |
|
full backup of the wiki data |
17:09 |
mchua |
dogi: cool, just ping me on IRC when you're going to start, or if you have questions (email me if you want me to be online at a particular time) |
17:09 |
hhardy |
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Backup |
17:09 |
mchua |
#LINK http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Backup |
17:09 |
dogi |
mchua: ok |
17:09 |
hhardy |
#LINK http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Backup |
17:10 |
cjl |
try to make sure you have a good back-up. |
17:10 |
mchua |
welcome Ian_Daniher |
17:11 |
adric |
Ho Ian_Daniher ! |
17:11 |
Ian_Daniher |
hey |
17:11 |
cjl |
dogi: and do the XML dump to as recommended on tha page (belt and suspenders). |
17:11 |
hhardy |
mchua |
17:11 |
mchua |
iirc, the decision on gforge was that this wasn't a VIG thing |
17:11 |
hhardy |
gregdek sent me an email about gforge |
17:11 |
dogi |
Ian_Daniher: http://meeting.laptop.org/olpc[…]0081104_1600.html for read back |
17:11 |
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hi ian |
17:11 |
mchua |
gregdek brought up the "we should bless a good community solution" issue, which I wholeheartedly agree with |
17:12 |
hhardy |
saying in essence that if people in the community have taken the initiative o do something, it costs us nothing to "bless" the project |
17:12 |
mchua |
yes - I think some sort of encouragement from 'on high' saying "if this works out, we can talk about blessing it" would be great |
17:12 |
hhardy |
I guess the risk is it goes badly wrong and we get some egg on face |
17:12 |
Ian_Daniher |
thanks dogi |
17:13 |
hhardy |
but if having afew @laptop.org email addresses, mailing lists, rt queues will help thats not a large cost |
17:13 |
mchua |
if hhardy or someone would not mind sending an email to the gitorious folks working on this giving them a +1 go-ahead, that would go a long way towards getting them excited and in the loop, methinks |
17:13 |
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from talking with the gitorious folks, they can do everything (setup, etc.) without any olpc resources whatsoever |
17:14 |
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but yeah, any encouragement (esp. in the form of personal thank-yous and resources) that we can throw their way would be cool |
17:14 |
hhardy |
ACTION ITEM: hh to write up letter of encouragement for gitorious project and run it by kimquirk |
17:14 |
cjl |
Certainly someone should ask the question about using hte OLPC logo (before the guys at gitorious do) |
17:14 |
mchua |
and we could also encourage them to hang out on this channel to update us on what's happening, ask questions, etc. |
17:14 |
hhardy |
yes |
17:14 |
mchua |
is4: ^^^ |
17:15 |
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cjl: is4 and sj have been working on the "how do you use the olpc logo" thing |
17:15 |
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that's all for gforge from me |
17:15 |
hhardy |
ok thats about it for today if you are a usa-ian, GO VOTE |
17:15 |
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#endmeeting |