Sugar meeting

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21:33	Nubae	alsroot ping
21:33	alsroot	Nubae: hi
21:33	Nubae	hey there... hmmm... better as a private message, hang on
21:55	dfarning	Nubae: Is the DMS builder pretty much complete?
22:02	Nubae	yes
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22:03	Nubae	I need tomorrow, to finalise wiki and then put up the iso someplace...
22:04		i'm verry happy with it though, we can start ripping it apart from Monday :p
22:04	dfarning	Nubae: ok, what will be the next step?
22:04	Nubae	well next week actitivies
22:05		the week after will be setting up puppet across the node to push necessary scripts and test them
22:05		oh, and include all XS logic
22:06		by rpm into builder directly where possible, and puppet where not
22:06		make sense?
22:06		also, if u want I can include the FAI debian part too
22:06		but perhaps I should wait on that?
22:07		oh, one big question I meant to ask today at the meeting... DNS...
22:08		should we have a central DNS server?
22:08	silbe	Nubae: content server or resolving / caching server?
22:09		needs to go soon
22:09	Nubae	resolving
22:09	dirakx	votos +1 on FAI.
22:09	silbe	then many decentralised ones :)
22:09	dirakx	votes*
22:09	Nubae	thinks about mass nomenclature
22:09	dfarning	for now stick to redhat/fedora only. once one disto is working we can add more distros
22:10	Nubae	silbe ok, so can we name the hosts based on the install number?
22:10	silbe	Nubae: whatever works best for you and the deployments :)
22:10	dfarning	i don't know enough about dns to have an opinion
22:10	Nubae	fedora is as different as debian to rhel6 in terms o fully automated installs
22:11		well, ok, let me ask in another way... how are schoolservers being named right now
22:11	silbe	dfarning: that's better than most who don't know enough but have an opinion on DNS anyway. :-/
22:11	Nubae	what kind of ips?
22:11	silbe	Nubae: don't know, sorry
22:11	dfarning	Nubae: then stick with rhel/centos whenever possiable please.
22:11	Nubae	yep, will do
22:12		internal/external ip?
22:12		is it feasable to have the building servers have public ips?
22:12	silbe	external ip = official / routable IPv4 address?
22:13	Nubae	internal may not need them, but it would help if the mothership had it
22:13		for many reasons
22:13	dfarning	the machines will probobly have human readable names like CityName_SchoolName_ServerType
22:13	silbe	I wouldn't rely on having a public IPv4 address. IANA is officially out of addresses now.
22:14	dfarning	that will make it easy for admins to use puppet dashboard.
22:14	Nubae	silbe thats not really an issue... we can use ip6toip4 trans
22:14		dfarning agreed
22:15		external ip would really help for the main machines
22:15		max we might have 100 of those
22:15		manageable
22:15		it also helps with distribution of bandwidth
22:17	dfarning	hope you are asking silbe:(
22:17	silbe	:)
22:17	Nubae	from the sugar software part itself, it would be easier to manage upgrades to those servers, from which the xos could then be upgraded
22:17	silbe	-> bed
22:17		let's continue tomorrow
22:17	Nubae	heh... silbe... u interested in helping wth this?
22:18		especially question wise and such?
22:18	silbe	Nubae: I'll try :)
22:18	Nubae	ok. sleep well
22:18	dfarning	silbe: good night and thanks
22:18	silbe	thx as well
22:20	dfarning	Nubae: lets try to set up a dms meeting with silbe, bernie, and rgs_ if possible.
22:20	Nubae	ok
22:20	silbe	what's dms?
22:20	dfarning	dextrose management system:)
22:20	silbe	yep, pulling in rgs would be rather useful
22:20		ah, another manager ;)
22:21	Nubae	DAMS
22:21		dextrose auto management system ;-)
22:21	dfarning	Nubae: nice!
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22:22	dfarning	'the damn dams is screwed up again':(
22:22	Nubae	hehe
22:26	dfarning	Nubae: have you seen http://git.example42.com/ it has a lot of good example modules.
22:27	Nubae	nice there is a nagios example there
22:30	dfarning	Nubae: I am envisioning that _every_ service is setup and configured via a puppet module rather than an rpm with postinstall scripts.
22:30		puppet can handle the scripts
22:31	Nubae	right... the scripts
22:31		but the install will already have been done
22:31		let me put it another way.... we know what kind of base is neccassary
22:31		anything that is uncertain, we push with puppet
22:32		but most important thing with puppet is, for example, creating a new VM in an existing computer, copying across the configs
22:33		and set up specific virtual hosts if its a webserver (just an example)
22:33		it homologizes how all the systems run together in the same way
22:34		the big difference we have though is that we are not abstracting servers
22:34		each server is the same... we wont have a log server, seperate from a web server, seperate from a comms server, etc, right?
22:35	dfarning	there is not baseline server. each deployments uses different services and setups.
22:36	Nubae	with puppet, for example, say we forgot to distribute a particular set of content for wikislices... and it needs to be on all the servers in the field...
22:36		we define the resource, then choose the servers to case to... and puppet does the rest
22:36		right... thats what puppet does
22:36		it customises the setups
22:37		deployment means servers in the field in my explanation
22:38		s
22:38		s/case/cast
22:38	dfarning	I think we are talk at cross purposes... you have stuff to focus on and I will set up a dms meeting.
22:39	Nubae	dfarning remember, puppet can also remove things
22:39		so if a deployment isnt happy with something puppet takes it out
22:40		it will be as minimal as possible though... the base
22:40		wait till u see it run, might make more sense then, hopefully :-/
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#dextrose, 2011-02-12